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ALWAYS Check This Before Buying A Used Chainsaw!
If you're thinking of buying a used chainsaw you should always check what I show in this video first!
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@donyboy73 4 года назад

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO CHECK WHEN BUYING A USED CHAINSAW!

@tannerc900 2 года назад

You make being a small engine mechanic look so cool and intriguing it’s insane

@daveeastwood5768 5 лет назад

Good simple and straight forward advice for anyone wanting to purchase. Thumbs up!

@michaelspencer301 3 года назад

A trick i do as a quick check. On some saws the exhaust side of cylinder can be seen through the sparkplug hole. Remove sparkplug, turn piston down to exhaust port, shine small lite inside cylinder. On lots of saws you can see if there is scoring on exhaust side of cylinder. Even some scoring on cylinder is usually a sign of more scoring on piston. Then remove muffler to get the true nature of cylinder . Great tip thanks Don .

@donyboy73 3 года назад

great tip!

@DB-zp9un 2 года назад

Yep, pull the plug, easier to get an idea.. Plus, depending on saw, you may break the muffler stud.. Not a good thing to do on something that isn't yours lol

@andrewford80 3 года назад

Brand new, only run once! (with straight gas so the top end is destroyed) Looks immaculate! (from the outside)

@GrantMerker 5 лет назад

Very helpful. For total novices like myself, I would have liked to also see how to check the backend of the piston and its pressure. With that said, thank you for sharing your knowledge. Your videos are well done. Thanks again!

@tomcummings655 5 лет назад

As a 20+ year Stihl mechanic,this guy is right on!!!This will show up on HOT start before cold start,so beware!

@johnkelly7154 5 лет назад

Another great tip Donny. This is a very common problem with owners not knowing how to mix two stroke fuel. I always advise them to buy a mixing bottle and use quality oil.

@TruthIsNotTemporary 5 лет назад

Also caused by high revving a cold engine (not letting it warm up first)

@X737_ 5 лет назад

100ml to 5L is hardly rocket science

@markcooper9033 3 года назад

This guy is Canadian GOLD!! Thank Dony for all your excellent posts💪🧑👍

@lewishodge4935 3 года назад

Dony: Your videos are the best as far as video quality, verbal explanation and thoroughness of procedures. Congratulations!

@aleblanc3547 5 лет назад

This might be your best tip ever, Don. Thanks, man...you've saved a lot of people a lot of money with this video.

@nascarsimracing1 5 лет назад

Boom right off the bat, check compression. Exactly what i do with every used engine i buy. I got a 1987 ECHO 330EVL from a garage sale for 10 bucks! They said it didn't run and they buy a new saw when one stops working. They were selling like 4 saws. Took the ECHO home, and it started off starting fluid. Then i adjusted the carb fuel mixture screws and the idle, and now it starts on the first or second pull from cold start! All it needs now is a bar and chain! Hearing "check compression" right at the beginning and i am already happy! I am now going to finish watching. I just wanted to put this comment out there. Awesome!!!

@radicalron65 3 года назад

that type of scoring at the exhaust Port is from not letting the Saw come up to temperature at idle ,it's from reving it out immediately after start-up and happens to all brand new saws that are cold started and reved immediately.....let your stuff warm up and this won't happen.....great video by the way

@eagleeye1542 2 года назад

That'll do it! The new Stihl ms500I R manual says to run three full tanks of fuel through the saw at idle before putting it to use.

@eagleeye1542 2 года назад

Got compression ? I recently picked up a project saw. A 1958 Homelite Zip saw. Its supposed to be 4.61ci. I think someone at some point bored it out. As you know the first thing you should always do is check compression. I tried to pull the cord and it wouldn't budge. I first thought oh this is seized. The guy said pull harder. Sure enough holy cow man! I'm going to have to add a decompression valve to this thing! It came with a 30 inch bar. Can't wait to get it running again and eventually restored. Thanks for the video.

@fredsiegfried1707 5 лет назад

Nothing beats the older stihl saws, if you can get it cheap a rebuild won't be so bad, plus no emission and laptop

@lucasdog1 5 лет назад

make sure to use air-cooled 2cycle oil. its made for the high heat produced at the exhaust side of the cylinder. marine oil where there is water cooling wont hold up and will ruin a saw in a hurry

@eugeneoreilly9356 2 года назад

Marine two stroke oil is usually dyed blue and air-cooled two stroke red here in Europe.

@zed8083 5 лет назад

Great advice Don! Hail! to the King of small engines! We're not worthy! Thanks for the great upload!

@spooncarvingwithtom 5 лет назад

Great vid! I brought a beat up ms 180. Took it all apart freed the stuck rings and sanded the scored piston, cylinder and rings. Put it all back together and doesn’t leak under pressure and vacuum and the compression is 127psi which I thought was really good for such a bad appearance initially! It does start no worries but only ran it for 60 seconds or so just to try it. Seemed good! I want to learn carb tuning so got an aftermarket adjustable carb and wondering with the above info, should I be able to do so with this saw? Or could I run into problems with that saw? Can you pleaseeeeee do a stihl chainsaw tuning tutorial from the very start with where to start the screws, using a tach and your process? That would be amazing. Thanks for your amazing content!!

@9mmkahr 5 лет назад

Check out the channel Steves small engine saloon.. Think that's what it's called. A few easy carb tune vids. Good ole hoosier

@kirkhutchins4989 5 лет назад

Wish I would've known this before I bought a carberator and fuel system rebuild kit. Installed everything and it wouldn't run right. Broke down and brought it to a small engine shop and the 1st thing he did is take the exhaust off and show me the piston scouring. Said unless I had a parts saw with a good piston just buy another saw. Lesson learned!

@kirkhutchins4989 5 лет назад

Thanks for the like!!

@dfpguitar 5 лет назад

can you show us how to use the compression tester? also thanks for the advice

@garrettstevensen2467 5 лет назад

After using 40:1 as fuel/oil premix ratio, our company has NEVER failed an engine and scored cylinders since. We used to score cylinders every year on equipment at 50:1 ratio. We’ve never fouled a plug either at 40:1.

@Whateva67 5 лет назад

I just got a nice 038 magnum free from my uncles family when he passed away,it’s in awesome shape and runs great, nice complement to my old 066 Stihl

@tjlee9901 2 года назад

i have a 88 cc husky and runs fine looking like that . also had a couple of other bigger saws that were scored but still ran okay .

@jpridie 5 лет назад

Excellent advice I would never have known until I saw your very informative video, thanks.

@brianszymanski2971 5 лет назад

As always quality videos and simple explanations of small motor repair. Thanks for the valuable info .

@SpetsnazBear-3710 5 лет назад

Excellent video. Clear, concise and GREAT advice. Simple enough for those entering the chainsaw world, or someone wishing to upgrade.

@mattb9664 4 года назад

Intake boots and any sealing interfaces beyond the carburetor should be checked. I had a brand new Echo CS600P which developed a stupid sealing problem because the carb screws into plastic. Basically the plastic stripped, and allowed more air. I was able to repair it with genuine CS8000 parts though and actually improved the mounting.

@oby-1607 5 лет назад

Never thought about looking under the muffler. Kinda like looking under a skirt before buying. In both cases you might want to run away.

@dangerdavefreestyle 5 лет назад

It'd be nice because as a man the condition of the taco is extremely important while shopping, you dont want to get stuck with a roast beef sandwich even though the complexion and measurements checked out.

@amandagardner565 5 лет назад

Scotsmen call them KILTS, definately best not to look.

@amandagardner565 5 лет назад

@EyeWitnessChina the false advertising goes both ways, when 99% of men think 3cm equals 6 inches. lol

@RockoTheBigEaredWienerDog 5 лет назад

@@amandagardner565 3cm? yikes! I'm a mini Dachshund and I'm hung much lower than that! LMAO! 🤣 Do these same men say "is it in yet"? ROTF!

@66gtoify 3 года назад

The other thing that can cause piston scoring is running the saw too lean. Running lean means more RPM and more power, but lt means shorter engine life. One time I was cutting firewood on a dry logging road, lot's of dust . Didn't take long and the saw seized. .

@andreasheij 5 лет назад

Another thing to check quite easily... Hold the chainsaw in all positions (horizontal both ways and even just let it hang from the handle) while running. If it revs up, there might be issues with the bearing seals inside the crankcase. Also quite an expensive repair.... Not chainsaw related; my FS-400 bushwacker has compression issues. Turns out it wasn't on the outlet side which was scored but the carburetor side. But that's not easily checked while trying to make a deal with somebody.

@zx8401ztv 5 лет назад

The exhaust port inspection is something i forgot.

@larrymunday7519 5 лет назад

I always run more oil than factory recommendation in order to get some life out of the saw. The EPA recommendations are why we are at 50:1 fuel mix. I will run 40:1 or 32:1 mix and tune the carb to run that.

@garrettstevensen2467 5 лет назад

larry munday exactly 100% correct. We ran what manufacture suggested of 50:1. Couldn’t figure out why we kill 1 blower, line trimmer, hedge trimmer and saw EVERY YEAR. Went to 40:1 and now it’s stolen before it dies. You cannot kill them at 40:1 or 32:1. Never seen a carbon fouled spark plug either. It does smoke just a hair more...

@j.chrisbeck7492 5 лет назад

I like using a little extra oil too. Just try not to get too much though.....junks things up a bit

@whitelightning3263 5 лет назад

@@garrettstevensen2467 never knew you could run your 2 strokes with more oil, thanks for that advise.

@74willy81 5 лет назад

Great advice as always! Looks like perhaps an overheating issue as most of the damage occurred on the pto side away from the flywheel/fan. I would not think a pro saw would have the fuel mixed wrong. Working the saw hard immediately after startup in my experience usually shows a different wear pattern than this one which is mostly confined to the hot side of the cylinder, Thanks for giving everyone a good heads up again. Great video, keep it up!

@erichermann7873 5 лет назад

Where do u fill in the oil for the crankcase is it the same as bar oil I'm 82 years old and my saw will not turn over I like to cut my own fire wood thank u you tube

@kxp.1496 5 лет назад

Eric Hermann you just mix the oil in the gas 2 cycle. I know you already know that. And bar oil in the oil side and that’s it. Unless you have some sort of 4 stroke saw

@Wayoutthere 5 лет назад

Taking the muffler off might not be OK for owners, how reasonable it might be because you might damage the threads, break a bolt etc. I'd recommend buying one of those small USB inspection camera's that you hook up to your phone, and look inside the combustion chamber trough the spark plug port.

@andreasheij 5 лет назад

If you're lucky you can also check for scoring by looking through the carb. With an endoscope you should be able to do so...

@j.chrisbeck7492 5 лет назад

If a seller won't allow you to remove the muffler, sometimes the best thing to do is simply walk away at that moment..... In many cases, they will change their mind, or it if they don't, it may mean that they are hiding something, so either way, is not a bad thing. Also, this gives wiggle room for negotiations.

@bobtay214 5 лет назад

@sparky12x ask the seller to take it off problem solved :)

@timhallas4275 5 лет назад

Yeah, right. I'd spend $150 so I could save $50 on a chainsaw.

@integr8er66 5 лет назад

I have one of those scope cameras and you can't see crap with it

@tanksoldier9770 5 лет назад

Thanks for the great lesson , I just bought a new craftsman 18 in 42 cc. ,The clutch took a dump in a 1/4 tank of fuel cutting dry cotton wood I took it back and got my refund

@Ecksterphono 3 года назад

Hold the saw by the recoil handle and do the rope drop method. If the weight of the saw does not start dropping, your good. If it drops slowly and reaches bottom within a minute suspect suspect scoring piston and bad rings. Do this while run hot and the weight of the saw just drops. Also depending on the bar. You may want to remove the bar and chain to do this test.

@johnclarke6647 5 лет назад

I like the 361 but think the ms360 is a much better engineered saw. I do not like the tank vent on the side of the tank. It forces me to under fill the gas tank, otherwise the vent will not work correctly. I also do not like the half choke position on the control lever. It is not a positive half choke position. I also like the air filter cover on the 360 over that on the 361. What I really like is my deco valve on the 360 stays in until the saw rolls over or runs. I have replaced the deco valve on the 361 with a Husqvarna valve but it still pops out much to early. As for performance, they are about equal, although the 361 seems to be a little more peppier. Regardless they are about equal in big wood.

@donyboy73 4 года назад

BUY NEW IF YOU CAN, IF NOT MAKE SURE TO CHECK THE PISTON AND CYLINDER FIRST!

@johno6861 5 лет назад

I just rebuilt my 290, new cylinder, piston, bearings, fuel line, filters. Cost me $40.

@f.demascio1857 5 лет назад

It's surprisingly easy to rebuild them. I had a Poulan that was condemned by a Certified Repair Shop as "not worth fixing." I bought the rebuild kit for $60 and it runs better now than when it was new out of the box. I still hate Poulan, but it was a gift, so...

@johno6861 5 лет назад

F De Mascio , I once bought just a fuel line for $25. A rebuild kit is so cheap I might just rebuild it every year. I rebuilt my big Johnsered too. I use them a lot so this is great.

@scottfirman 4 года назад

Some times the scoring adds to the drag in the cylinder. I never judge a chain saw by compression. I find the number one reason for damage on a chainsaw us lack of oil in the fuel. By running it with lack of oil it boosts power which burns the piston and scores the cylinder. Sometimes you can take out the plug and see down the cylinder with a bright pen light or bore sight light. I actually carry a bore sight on light with me in my glove box. I have had several guys give me chainsaws they just dont want to mess with simply because they won't start. A carb rebuild kit later and they are ready to go again. Good tips for guys looking for deals. Generally, if the saw is really dirty and abused looking, it's not worth buying. The chain and bar is usually trash.

@donyboy73 4 года назад

exactly

@robsdeviceunknown 5 лет назад

Yeah I made that mistake. MS290, I thought was a excellent deal. Wellllll. Piston was scarred so bad. So now, i have a bucket of clean parts for sale lol

@vetterfellow 5 лет назад

Your guidance DB73 is helping a lot of others including Myself. Thanks my Friend.

@butler386 5 лет назад

Great information. Yes, that's why I don't buy used equipment. No idea how it was used or abused.

@viisteist1363 4 года назад

wow - i looked at the echo chainsaw that i just bought and everything is just super smooth inside :o (has 2 piston rings also) it might have some fuel or oil leak issue tho... because its just oily everywhere(altho the cap was also open a bit) and i think it smelled like petrol when it had a pool under its right side... and the front suspension dampers were just broken/loose... and 1 without a cap even...

@kennethwestervelt2843 Год назад

So, perhaps a good idea to bring a compression gauge too as if a seller will not let you disassemble removing a spark plug and doing a compression check can show this issue too - right?

@johnclarke6647 5 лет назад

If you rebuild that 361 be careful because an am piston can hit the counterweights. I built a huztl 361 this summer and it ran great for 7 tanks and then it ate the piston. It busted off the skirt on both sides and they ended up in the crankcase and bent the rod. I had to replace the cylinder, piston, crank and both seals plus a few other parts. When I rebuilt it I coated the counter weights with assembly lube and put the piston , cylinder on loose and rolled the crank around four or five times. Wherever I had assembly lube on the piston I received it with my Dremel too. After four or five fittings I had sufficient clearance between the piston and the counterweight. I also trimmed the skirt length on the piston so they were identical in length. There was several thousandths difference when I started this process. I now have 7 tanks on the new cylinder and it is no longer kissing the crank.

@FritzMadness 2 года назад

great tips, Thanks a lot, are those torx bits 6 inch long or longer?

@bradleyprentice2359 5 лет назад

Thank you for this video. Its educational. I wouldn't know this information if you hadn't talk about it.

@jamesmarks8099 2 года назад

When I sell my chainsaws I always squirt some gear oil into the spark plug hole to restore compression! 😂😂

@thanos9846 5 лет назад

I "bought" a mid 90s poulan six/seven some odd years ago for a six pack of beer. Added a carb kit and it has run flawlessly since. Runs all day without so much as a hiccup. Almost always second pull and she fires up, cold or hot. Luck of the draw I guess. Nice video, keep it up!

@Blazer02LS 5 лет назад

I've seen them scored more when people mix the fuel with ethanol in the gas. That booze makes the saw run hotter even if you have an adjustable carb and richen it a bit. I would say to mix at 40:1 if you cannot get ethanol free or use something like trufuel.

@j.chrisbeck7492 5 лет назад

Bull crap. I have been using E10 since it came out. The drawback to this is short storage life....runs fine on 40:1

@bk2012tuff 5 лет назад

Great videos watching you all they way from Australia, chainsaws are a big hobby of mine, I've found a big issue with cracked fuel tanks & dodgy repairs

@BrucesShop 5 лет назад

I have had saws given to me that looked like that. Good video.

@Bettinasisrg 5 лет назад

I live in the PacNW (very close to Cananda) we beat the poop outta our chainsaws) I go to California to buy used chainsaws, preferably the suburbs.

@stephenfewson7188 5 лет назад

Great advice mate, thanks! G'day from Australia 🇦🇺

@needless2say723 2 года назад

Great video, thank you for the heads up on what to look for. Can a chain saw with a scored cylinder and piston be rebuilt? Does stilh or huskavarna use a steel cylinder sleeve?

@wayneyork6282 5 лет назад

About the most thorough and easy to learn from person I know of , Thanks !

@seansysig 5 лет назад

Great tips. I know at least 3 people that got burned buying used saws.

@JoesWebPresence 2 года назад

I thought you were going to look at the air filter! One of the best indicators for how a saw has been treated is the air filter. Good saws have better air filters which can be maintained, but many cheap saws just have a piece of sponge. If the filter has a lot of oil on it, they've been mixing the fuel too rich. Often this oil and dirt will then work its way past the sponge and cause exactly that kind of scoring. If the saw hasn't been maintained well, the air filter will be blocked up with dirt. If it has run too hot, maybe due to not being properly sharpened, then you will see scorched sawdust built up on the filter. Conversely, if the air filter is clean, the saw's either been well looked after or it has hardly been used.

@muntee33 2 года назад

Thought it mighta been an inconsistent chain tension as you slowly spin the chain....

@bluekingfisher1416 5 лет назад

Very useful and handy tip for any future purchases. Thank you.

@87GP400 3 года назад

Short and sweet Info ! Great stuff ....again ! Thanks

@donyboy73 3 года назад

You bet!

@Ranger-vv2jv 3 года назад

Sir would you show on one of your videos a Force Tec cylinder kit for a stihl 026,260 chainsaw for 2020 or 21.If that model is not available show a Force Tec cylinder kit for another pro Stihl chainsaw. Thanks kindly for your time Thanks kindly

@koffibanan3099 5 лет назад

Wow, thanks! A compression test might be less invasive? I could see it happen that those exhaust bolts are really stuck and break off?

@NoName-db5tc 5 лет назад

knowing that shit I'll buy one new thanks for the input

@evermore8888 5 лет назад

Basically don't buy a used chainsaw unless its dirt dirt cheap...buy new (even if you have to compromise on size to afford) get the warranties, the "brand new" feel and peace of mind

@rascorivas 5 лет назад

You are my héroe, Jeep doing videos, you are very good teacher🎶😁

@abuzayan1247 5 лет назад

Valuable informations !! Thank you brother

@wade8418 2 года назад

Wow thank you so very much !

@Error-5478 5 лет назад

Grandad would always let a saw rip wide open right on take off. Hes been using the same saws for almost 30 years. No clue what the pistons look like. Though.

@danhal9966 3 года назад

Thanks

@tptm100 3 года назад

Great information, one question, I have a Farm Boss Stihl, can I replace with a larger bar

@gcabinet 5 лет назад

Love your videos, they make me want to drive to Canada to get you to work on my chainsaws. But I do have a question; you say you always mix your fuel with a little extra oil (like 45:1 instead of 50:1). Does the same hold true for Tru-fuel which I’ve seen you recommend? As in, would you buy the 50:1 recommended or go down to 40:1 instead of 50:1?

@jensenwilliam5434 2 года назад

Thank you!!

@nlowry8 5 лет назад

I wish I had a workshop like that!

@X737_ 5 лет назад

I wish mine was as tidy as that 😂

@deliverybryan1138 4 года назад

I bought a used Sthil ms 250s it runs great 👍🏻 but it leaks a little gas or oil !

@RickHawkDavison 5 лет назад

Mercy beaucoup, tres bon avis.

@daveellis5100 2 года назад

Recorded horizontally:)

@larrylund2682 5 лет назад

Dirty fuel = piston scoring. Also too much oil in mixture. Two strokes are delicate little petals.

@JeffsLittleEngineService 5 лет назад

Good tips

@Deadbuck73 5 лет назад

That’s a great thing to check... same idea... I was going to buy a conversion van from a used dealer... he said the engine had no leaks and he started it up... I looked at the engine while running and he shut it off... all looked good... but I asked him to let it keep running so it could warm up... he obliged... and after about 10-15 minutes it started leaking anti-freeze.... if I hadn’t let it run I would have noticed too late! I moved on...

@sodacan1011111111111 5 лет назад

Bravo brother. Thank you for the great information.

@PistonShack 5 лет назад

Thanks, Don. I always do this ✔.

@unclematt3 5 лет назад

This is a great video, great information. Thank you.

@green-zone36 5 лет назад

I see saws for sale on-line all the time with only 2 or 3 tanks of gas through it. The bar will tell the real amount of use. With 2 tanks the bar will still be brand new. I see them with a half worn out bar.

@JesseLJohnson 5 лет назад

I see a lot here that are new or practically new. We have had a hurricane hit us 3 of the past 4 years. People buy the saws and then never have a tree come down from the storm and instead of keeping the saw they sell them. They are most the time homeowner Husqvarna or Echo saws they bought from Home Depot or Lowes but there is a lot of them. I have bought a couple saws recently that the homeowner used to heat with wood and moved where they don't have a fireplace or wood stove anymore so don't need their saw and really probably had to much saw for what they were doing in the first place. My 372xp and MS440 were mint and I paid less for the pair then I would have paid for one of them new.

@davidingram1536 3 года назад

Good advice

@robertmailhos8159 5 лет назад

Great job my Canadian brother 😀 😀 once again thank you for the update on the . buying of used equipment 😀😃😄

@donyboy73 5 лет назад

if u can afford new, it's always better

@robertmailhos8159 5 лет назад

@@donyboy73 that is so true

@Sensei948 3 года назад

@@donyboy73 oil mix 1:33 ?

@googleplusisdead 5 лет назад

I'm thinking someone put in new rings to hopefully make the saw usable in spite of the scoring, hence the compression, but those rings won't ever work properly with scored cylinder walls, even if honed out.

@f.demascio1857 5 лет назад

That is by far the best advice.

@66gtoify 3 года назад

I haven't worked in the woods for years, but up and until the early 2000's , many of the Stihl chain saws didn't have real roller or ball bearing main bearings. The case was the main bearings. If the case ( main bearings ) were shot, throw the saw away . Personally, I wouldn't buy a used chainsaw.

@BilgePump 5 лет назад

Great advice.

@DesertDigger1 5 лет назад

Thanks Don, good to know.

@mrbottomfeeder 5 лет назад

Thank you. Thank you.

@darkdelta 5 лет назад

Great information! Thanks

@Jim-ie6uf 5 лет назад

Great video and tips.

@donegal1983 4 года назад

That’s a great tip on buying secondhand 👍

@MrUbiquitousTech 5 лет назад

Great tips, thank you!

@rockevronv11 5 лет назад

Donyboy can you make a video on how to check a weedeater before for you but it please?

@philliphall5198 10 месяцев назад

I was looking at a saw at garage sale, ask if I could check it, he said yes, I pulled out my torque tool and he said you can’t remove the muffler Why , take it like it is, I said your crooked, 2 other men with me left