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Amédée Méreaux and his Infamous Études 

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Music:
- Amédée Méreaux: String Quartet Op. 121 (pub. 1877), performed by Steve’s Bedroom Band and available on IMSLP: tinyurl.com/mereaux
- Thomas Little: Dance! #2 in E minor, Op. 1 No. 2, performed by Rachel Fellows, Michael King, and Bruce Tippette
- Amédée Méreaux: Étude Op. 63 #45, “Scherzo” [MIDI render, original upload: bSHjm1Uafd0]
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Комментарии : 67   
@pawncube2050
@pawncube2050 4 года назад
You nailed it perfectly. Specially with mereaux 24, it was for training hand crossings, not musicality! And in fact mereaux wrote etudes for training expression while playing. Like no 23, his 3 etudes sonata and no 59
@lerippletoe6893
@lerippletoe6893 4 года назад
It's called bravura for crying out loud
@ryzikx
@ryzikx Год назад
@@lerippletoe6893 yes. its also called mereaux 24 though
@lerippletoe6893
@lerippletoe6893 Год назад
@riz does stuff but the title Bravura gives the insights into what it's about. You don't call something Bravura and expect profundity, it is about showing off. This case being leaps and hand crossings, the techniques of the etude.
@85vesti
@85vesti 4 года назад
It's amazing that Mereaux only came into the spotlight of interest when Hamelin called them trash in an interview! I remember making a topic about them in a piano forum in April 2009 titled 'Méreaux - Most difficult romantic composer according to Hamelin'. It still appears near the top of google results when you search for Mereaux. I think both this interview and topics created about it like mine boosted interest in the works hugely among piano nerds. Great video by the way! nice to see him getting more attention. I'd love to see his technical piano advances used by composers to write more 'musical' music. Although some of his works are actually quite catchy and melodious!
@tomasjosefpiano8902
@tomasjosefpiano8902 3 года назад
Hah, out of all contemporary composers, Hamelin is not the one to call others "trash". Listen to some of Hamelin's originals. It's ridiculous
@ChrisBreemer
@ChrisBreemer 2 года назад
@@tomasjosefpiano8902 I don't think Hamelin said that. At least he didn't use the word trash as far as I can see. But anyway, out of all piano music experts, do you believe you are the one to call Hamelin's compositions ridiculous ?
@franzyoussef5487
@franzyoussef5487 4 года назад
Thank you so much for making this video and kudos for your amazing efforts
@lockjiang
@lockjiang 2 года назад
"midi had been very kind to Merceaux" then came the whole scrolling score video cracks me up.
@lerippletoe6893
@lerippletoe6893 4 года назад
I really appreciate this video a lot, as well as the efforts of the youtubers working through these etudes
@armandom28
@armandom28 4 года назад
Excellent as usual
@DanielMartinez-nw1pn
@DanielMartinez-nw1pn 4 года назад
You have a great channel. Keep it up!! Regards from Peru 😁😁
@sukittey
@sukittey 3 года назад
Considering what you said about the Méreaux etudes being self-studies, or short, just technical exercises and not etudes like the Chopin ones, I have found some interesting information. "As the title of the work says, these are characteristic caprices which, independently of the severe and useful proneness suitable for practical studies for improvement, have a great artistic value and musical merit which allow them to be considered concert pieces." - From the preface of the 60 Méreaux etudes I dont think this completely means Méreaux wanted his 60 etudes to be concert pieces, since "it can be considered". I wanted to share this with you anyways, but I still think Méreaux rather intended his etudes to be technical exercises, still; some of them are actually musical, some are even gems, they are very original. I think only some of those beautiful pieces can be considered concert pieces, and they have that certain aura as well.
@priscianusjr
@priscianusjr 3 года назад
You may not realize it, or else you are too polite - but with what you say here you have disproved the thesis of Mr. Classical Nerd. One may like the music or not, but the composer himself obviously did consider them concert pieces when played in a masterful as well as a musical way. The very fact that he uses the word "caprices" indicates that he intends them as potential concert pieces, just as Pierre Rode's famous technical studies for violin, the 24 Caprices, are themselves of high musical quality (though rarely performed). Obviously if one does not find the music that is in them, one cannot do it, or "it is not worth the effort." But if one does, it will be conveyed to the listeners, or at least some of them. Mr. Seon-Yong Hwang has done this, and his renditions bring out the musical charm of these etudes, some of which are characteristic pieces like "scherzo alla napoletana" and "salterelle". But it is insanely difficult to do this - to conquer the technical difficulties AND bring out the music, yet it is impossible ot bring out the music without conquering the difficulties. No. 60 is a real "monster", yet having listened to it several times, I am starting to enjoy the "monstrous" music even of this one. There are of course purely technical studies like Hanon, or Brahms's 51 Technical Studies, which are truly not intended for performance - or for violin, the studies of Sevcik or Dounis, for example.
@sukittey
@sukittey 3 года назад
Hello. First off, I wrote this because I thought it would interest Classical Nerd, not to disprove his thesis. Secondly, I appreciate and respect anyone playing Méreaux or doing something which centers around Méreaux, that includes naturally Seon-Yong Hwang and Classical Nerd. I realize the difficulties both in technical manners and bringing out the music and I am amazed by anyone who can do so :). Méreaux is a great composer, he composes music like no one else. Of course, everyone has their opinions on this. I do not intend to mock anyone, including Classical Nerd, as I said. I work in The Méreaux Project (a project centered around Méreaux), and in the past weeks I have found information that clearly indicates Méreaux did not intend the etudes to be musical pieces. From halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-03090275 , p. 38 ll. 9-11: “The author of this collection did not want to write brilliant pieces for the piano, he intended only to showcase the skill of virtuosos in salons or fashionable concerts. It was not intended to make a fashionable work (…).” -Berlioz Of course you couldnt have known this. But me and many others still see his etudes as musical pieces despite this fact - the music clearly speaks for that -, and even when I wrote this comment I fully agree that they are concert pieces (as you said, they are also caprices, which further indicates that). Again, I apologize if I have upset you in any kind of way or if I made a misunderstanding throughout this comment now. As I said in my comment above, "I dont think this completely means Méreaux wanted his 60 etudes to be concert pieces, since "it can be considered" ", so I only assumed that was the case because it wasnt mentioned clearly.
@JAMESLEVEE
@JAMESLEVEE 4 года назад
From what I understand Mereaux composed (at least) one piano concerto, and there is a String Quartet in D Major (Op. 121, Posth.) of his in IMSLP.
@qalaphyll
@qalaphyll 3 года назад
great video
@elijahshabazz1806
@elijahshabazz1806 4 года назад
Yea, I've studied his 21st etude and have since perfected it and is actually on my channel, I am currently studying the 43rd and 46th etudes as of right now with an additional 27 pieces of the great Cuban composer Ernesto Lecuona's music. The 46th Amedee Mereaux's technique is extremely difficult I am only 2 pages in just coming up with different exercises. It's coming along though. I will be releasing some piano album's this year. So I hope everyone the best and wish me luck on these pieces.
@TheGenesect10
@TheGenesect10 4 года назад
Good luck ✊👑
@elijahshabazz1806
@elijahshabazz1806 3 года назад
I recorded one piece from him. The 21st etude. I am Currently tackling some of his other etudes coming up with exercises and whatnot. Some of his etudes are almost impossible is what I got to say.
@4candles
@4candles 4 года назад
Good job. An enjoyable and informative talk in a refreshingly informal way. I'm with you in thinking he's been wrongly typecast, but until some enterprising souls take it upon themselves to explore his other works (including those not for piano), I fear he will continue to be known (if at all) as a minor composer of finger-breaking academic piano studies. PS I believe he composed just one concerto (for piano), which is available in a reduction for solo piano in the National Library of France. Other than Marmontel's saying otherwise, I've not been able to find any evidence of any others. Interestingly, apparently Prokofiev played one or two of these studies.
@pawncube2050
@pawncube2050 4 года назад
Where did you find out about Prokofiev?
@4candles
@4candles 4 года назад
@@pawncube2050 I think it was in the liner notes for the Katsaris disk that features Méreaux etudes.
@alexandercarroll9707
@alexandercarroll9707 2 года назад
What pieces would you recommend listening to instead?
@TheIncredibleAspie
@TheIncredibleAspie 4 года назад
Nice video. By the way, when will you be doing another composition masterclass?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Every fourth video is a composition masterclass, so the next one will be the fifth installment.
@TheIncredibleAspie
@TheIncredibleAspie 4 года назад
Classical Nerd Thanks. I was asking because I sent you a choir piece of mine that I would like you to look at.
@wilh3lmmusic
@wilh3lmmusic 2 года назад
Auto-captions think you said Amidala fraud Emma Hall at the beginning instead of Jean-Amedée Lefroid de Mereaux
@maxime8963
@maxime8963 3 года назад
nice
@user-74652
@user-74652 3 года назад
What are some Méreaux pieces you would recommend to listen to, considering that if you search him, you'll only find his etudes?
@wilh3lmmusic
@wilh3lmmusic 2 года назад
I like his mazurka “eleganza” Seon-yong hwang played it
@TheJedo
@TheJedo 2 года назад
Despite Hamelin's comment on its lack of musicality, I would still recommend listening to Etude No. 60. It's one of my favourite pieces at the moment. As well as this No. 44 is a nice listen sometimes.
@agalloway4481
@agalloway4481 4 года назад
Could you do Bernhard Romberg or Luigi Boccherini?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
@SeadogDriftwood
@SeadogDriftwood 4 года назад
Any chance of a future episode featuring Reicha?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
@davidepisanu1412
@davidepisanu1412 4 года назад
Could I request a video about Karol Szymanowski?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
@medicatedjay5698
@medicatedjay5698 4 года назад
Could you do an episode on Holst or Hans Rott?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
You've already requested Rott. Holst has been duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
@annaking9390
@annaking9390 4 года назад
Can you pls do a video on Aram Khachaturian?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Duly noted: lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html You wouldn't happen to be related to a certain James King who requested Khachaturian a while back, would you? 🤔
@mishibijiwpiano3481
@mishibijiwpiano3481 4 года назад
A Finnissy episode would be nice!
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
Unfortunately, I don't cover living composers, as-since their careers are not over-it's impossible to do a proper, holistic retrospective. However, there's currently a request for a New Complexity video at lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html and I've added this request to that one.
@LisztAddict
@LisztAddict Год назад
Plus finnissy is absolute trash and sounds like 12 toddlers running around on a pinao
@sukittey
@sukittey 3 года назад
1:19 "...and his mother was well-connected aristocratically, which allowed him to not just perform for the upper class, but also to teach their sons and daughters." I am wondering: where did you get this information from? Everywhere I searched, this information does not exist, and in the sources there also does not seem to be that kind of information. Sukitte
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 3 года назад
The sources, at least at the time I accessed them, contained that information. If it's changed since then ... not sure I can help you.
@sukittey
@sukittey 3 года назад
@@ClassicalNerd No, its alright, dont worry. Do you perhaps know what kind of source?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 3 года назад
I made this video over a year ago, so any chance of me remembering what particular bit of information came from which source has long since passed (which is why I started listing them in the description in the first place).
@sukittey
@sukittey 3 года назад
@@ClassicalNerd Yes, I understand. I made this comment because I did not find that kind of information, even in the sources you listed. So it must have been changed; however, thanks!
@NN-rn1oz
@NN-rn1oz Год назад
So those are technical exercises, like Hanon, Pischna and the like.
@LkFia_
@LkFia_ 8 месяцев назад
They are more like Czerny's studies but on steroids
@Demiglitch
@Demiglitch 4 года назад
whens he dropping his next track
@pawncube2050
@pawncube2050 4 года назад
Etude no 61 - "Good luck pianists"
@colinmurphy2214
@colinmurphy2214 3 года назад
Dude I’ve got some bad news
@thomasmisson
@thomasmisson 4 года назад
Elliott Carter?
@ClassicalNerd
@ClassicalNerd 4 года назад
You already requested Carter on the Boulez video. lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html is consistently updated to reflect new requests and you can track the progress of Carter there.
@redfishplayz4476
@redfishplayz4476 2 года назад
Why Infamous??? I think some Of is OP.63 have good melodies
@jannis11
@jannis11 2 года назад
noice
@pianomanhere
@pianomanhere 10 месяцев назад
Well, I guess we can add him to the list with Sorabji, Alkan, Godowsky, Liszt, Szymanowski, Ligeti, Eckhardt-Gramatté, Thalberg, Henselt, Reger, etc...lol
@Manx123
@Manx123 Год назад
Méreaux probably isn't remembered for his other pieces because they were probably not memorable.
@doricdream498
@doricdream498 4 года назад
i only recently started piano lessons (im a string player) so i still find even the simplest pieces mozart wrote for beginners to be difficult...just looking at these pieces make my hands hurt!
@handledav
@handledav Год назад
nerd
@_rstcm
@_rstcm 2 года назад
Trust me.......the only thing harder than his etudes is pronouncing his name correctly.
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