Am I Becoming Orthodox ☦️ from Catholicism? Addressing Questions & Concerns from Friends

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Kyle King ‪@barrelagedfaith‬ addresses inquiries from friends and subscribers on whether he is becoming Orthodox from Catholicism and gives an update on the future of Barred Aged Faith ministries. 🖋️ Explore more C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, & the Church Fathers here: www.barrelaged.... 🙏Support Barrel Aged Faith: www.barrelaged... (*Only $5 a Month for Exclusive Articles, Courses, & Books!
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@rachaelmikula5943 6 месяцев назад

Grew up catholic only to completely run from religion to finally feeling home in orthodoxy. I have never felt so connected to God as I have at my Orthodox Church and reading orthodox theology.

@adolphCat 6 месяцев назад

What did you find so distasteful about Roman Catholicism?

@rachaelmikula5943 6 месяцев назад

@@adolphCat too much to really explain well but growing up catholic I became very scrupulous and rigid. I was always worried about damning myself. There is gentleness in orthodoxy that I never felt in Catholicism. A focus on needing healing and humility. The mysticalness and not needing to define everything I really connect with. It’s difficult to describe and it is why a common phrase in the orthodox world is you just have to come and see. Im sure not everyone feels this way but it was just my personal experience.

@nathanmorales9584 4 месяца назад

@EasternChristian333what baggage are you referring to in Eastern Orthodox? I'm not Orthodox but looking into it so I really don't know.

@inrmds 4 месяца назад

@EasternChristian333eastern catholicism is just more contradictions.

@inrmds 4 месяца назад

@EasternChristian333catholicism is not orthodox

@ICXCNIKA8 6 месяцев назад

Glory to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit!!! Welcome home ☦️

@johnboutin8222 6 месяцев назад

Hi Kyle, this is the first video of yours I’ve come across after our mutual friend Steven Petersheim shared it on Facebook. I’m glad he did! Your story and mine overlap in some ways. I grew up an Evangelical Christian and felt a call to become a theology professor, so I got a MDiv from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (where I met Steven). But God had begun to draw me to the Catholic Church before that, so I was received into the Catholic Church in 2020 while at Gordon-Conwell. I have been working as a Catholic youth minister since 2021 and pursuing a MA in Catholic Theology part-time. I get the sense that you have thought about changing from Catholic to Orthodox a lot and as you said you will have more to say in future videos on that. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the papacy and the Magisterium as they are probably the ultimate theological issue to consider for whether one ought to be Catholic or Orthodox. I sympathize with your discussion of Chesterton’s quote in terms of the liturgy, however I do not think this is the case at all with teachings on faith and morals. It is the Orthodox Church that is ill-equipped to deal with new questions post-1054 (or perhaps even post-787). Transubstantiation is helpful in the face of heresy on the Eucharist, and a clear teaching from Humanae Vitae on the pill as a non-legitimate form of family planning are just two examples. Lewis’s quote shows that he probably did not have a full understanding of Catholic teaching here since the Catholic Church cannot add to the Deposit of Faith. Even with the small number of what we could call “new” doctrines, such as the immaculate conception and assumption of the Blessed Mother, are viewed as implicit in the Deposit of Faith. When discussing St. Basil’s quote, it is helpful to consider the distinction of doctrines and disciplines. Spiritual disciplines are not part of the Deposit of Faith and therefore the Church, exercising her authority from Christ, can adjust spiritual disciplines as well as liturgical customs. The move away from ad orientem was probably wrong in my view, but partially motivated by the recently disproven notion that versus populum was actually the dominant practice in the early Church (according to Catholic Answers). It will probably be corrected soon. Again, we’re living in an extraordinary time in Catholic history where there was a sudden huge change in the liturgy - ill-advised changes may be corrected quickly (in the grand scheme of Church History). It is a stretch to say we injure the gospel by having priests not face east, but probably fair to say we injure the liturgy. A more positive example of a change of a spiritual discipline was the change to the Eucharist fast or pastoral reasons (considering many cannot go without food let alone water or medicine 12+ hours). However, the switch to a mere 1 hour fast in 1964 (the first change was to 3 hours in 1957) is again something that should probably be corrected soon. Thinking through these examples helped me better understand your attraction to Orthodoxy. I look forward to conversing on all this. I’m sorry for the super long comment though!

@living_orthodox 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God! May He help you and guide you!

@giovannidelpiero6631 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home! God bless you ☦️

@corneliu-mihaimagureanu6626 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home our sibling in Christ, welcome home! All the love all the way from a Romanian in England, you are in our prayers

@stephenchelius7461 6 месяцев назад

Everybody has their journey, let us pray for each other for unity. Even though I disagree, I am open to listen. Let truth be the criterion of dialogue. Pax Christi.

@daniallemmon5453 6 месяцев назад

God bless!! ☦️👏🏽🙌🏽

@mrjustadude1 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home!

@silvanussum5188 6 месяцев назад

Welcome, brother! ☦️

@prosoblue 6 месяцев назад

Welcome to the Orthodox Church brother

@christianlacroix5430 6 месяцев назад

Based.

@theorthodoxcatholic9259 6 месяцев назад

God Bless you! My family just made the same Journey

@LillianMorris-u2z 6 месяцев назад

You are not the only one, I was also a Traditional Latin Mass Girl and after doing some research over the years, I finally had to be honest with myself and I made the leap. Currently a Catechumen in the Orthodox church.

@the4gospelscommentary 6 месяцев назад

What "research" did you do? Eastern "orthodoxy" is clearly a false religion. The early church believed in divine simplicity, filioque, papacy and purgatory. All of those are rejected by the eastern "orthodox".

@Tradition75christian 6 месяцев назад

How do you stop being Catholic? I don't get it.

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

God bless you sister☦. I was a cradle Catholic, but converted 2 years ago to the Orthodox faith.

@LillianMorris-u2z 6 месяцев назад

@@pero33403 Thank you

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

@@LillianMorris-u2z Thank you as well sister in Christ.

@JH_Phillips 6 месяцев назад

Good luck to you! Although I too love the liturgy and tradition of the Orthodox churches, I also believe the Papacy to be true. So as much as I would love for the Catholic Church to more resemble some of our Orthodox brothers and sisters, I will not be abandoning the faith.

@knguyen6061 6 месяцев назад

True faith : Using the literal sola scriptura arguments, One of the most dramatic moments in Jesus' life is recorded in Matthew 16:13-20. Jesus tells Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom 🙏🙏🙏💪👍

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thank you. We emphasize that Jesus was primarily instituting His royal priesthood (bishops/presbyters) through Peter and the Apostles in Matthew 16/18. This High Priesthood of Peter is past on to the bishops which is why the fathers refer to the bishops as High Priests. This doesn't mean that Popes and Patriarchs do not have an important role to play within councils and canonical law of Orthodoxy, but they are for the wellbeing of the church and not for the being of the church. Popes and Patriarchs are Peter by analogy while the bishop receives Peter's office (i.e. High Priest) which was established by Christ in Matthew 16. I hope this helps

@zealousideal 28 дней назад

@@barrelagedfaith thanks for sharing brother. I really need talk to you. I’m curious to learn more from you. I’m ex orthodox now Catholic and studying catholic theology myself. Honestly, in many ways I always thought the orthodox/protestant view makes more sense. I always thought the conciliar model made more sense. But then in other ways (and in reality) it seems the Catholic view makes more sense. For example in this case, I saw many issues in orthodoxy, and there was no way for them to fix it because it boiled down to them not having a head to call the shots. So essentially many of their schisms and issues it seemed ( at least to me in my little foxhole) were due to lack of the Pope. It seems like they could easily correct and fix so many issues if they could come together and have a council again, but they would need a head to call that and to bring things together. That’s just one example.

@elijahyasi 6 месяцев назад

How does this change your view on the Blessed Mother (if at all)? Specifically on the immaculate conception. God bless you brother.

@b.d.4746 6 месяцев назад

On the IC, Orthodox are basically in the same position as Roman Catholics prior to 1854. Some like Aquinas argue vehemently against it, while still maintaining Mary was indeed purified of all stain of sin at some other point. Some like Scotus do hold IC as a pious opinion. Given the unfortunate state of Catholic-Orthodox polemics, especially in the internet age, the latter are a minority. Though note both East and West do celebrate the Conception of Mary on/around Dec 8.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Hi Elijah Yasi! Great to hear from you and I've enjoyed your work over the years. For me, Mary is the Panagia and is our immaculate Theotokos. Of course, you know the Orthodox/Catholic dialogue very well on this issue. The debate revolves around the nature of time and how Christ saved her within time. As you know, Aquinas believes she had to be sanctified after her conception because she needed to be saved as a creature already existing and not one about to exist. Many Popes and saints in the West before Scotist really speak like this (debating when she was sanctified in the womb). Others will speak of her maintaining her purity but still being sanctified and purified more and more (womb, entrance into the Temple, the Annunciation). Many Fathers speak about her nature being purified at the coming of Christ into her womb. St. Augustine speaks of Mary being both sinless (i.e. immaculate) while also 'dying' because she came from Adam. ***Here are two St. Augustine's quotes: "“For to speak more briefly, Mary who was of Adam died for sin, Adam died for sin, and the Flesh of the Lord which was of Mary died to put away sin.” Augustine, Sermon 2 on Psalm 35, Section 3. (*Mary dies because of inheriting Adam's fallen state/ancestral sin). He goes on in another place to speak of her sinlessness: “Now with the exception of the holy Virgin Mary in regard to whom, out of respect for the Lord, I do not propose to have a single question raised on the subject of sin - after all, how do we know what greater degree of grace for a complete victory over sin was conferred on her who merited to conceive and bring forth Him who all admit was without sin - to repeat then: with the exception of this Virgin, if we could bring together into one place all those holy men and women, while they lived here, and ask them whether they were without sin, what are we to suppose that they would have replied?” (On Nature and Grace, or De natura et gratia, Migne PL 44:267) ***It seems to be that the dominant position of the Orthodox is also the dominant position of the fathers and church history in regards to Mary and so it is odd that the dominant if not supermajority position of church history is condemned in 1854. If Mary's nature had been proclaimed in a council with large representation from the Orthodox East in the 19th century, it would have likely been worded quite differently.

@elijahyasi 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaithThanks for the response and kind words, brother! I see where you're coming from and understand your points. God willing, would love to have a back and forth dialogue with you on this in the future.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

@@elijahyasi I enjoy your in depth articles and understanding of the Eastern view. I am not sure why Albretch took this comment from our chat here and made it into a video. I think the key part of this dialogue is what constitutes a complete, pre-fall human. If immortality makes up pre-fallen human nature, then Mary would have to be immortal if she did not inherit fallen nature. Your view is that immortality is not intrinsic to human nature but simply a gift on top of nature... correct? Therefore, in your view, Mary never inherited fallen nature, but still died because God did not grant her the gift immortality at her conception. St. Augustine's view (& others) is that Mary did inherit Adam's fallen nature and therefore inherited death while remaining sinless. This seems to be the Orthodox view. The key questions are "Did the Fathers imagine Mary receiving Adam's fallen nature?" AND "what constitutes human nature before the Fall?" Again, Orthodox/Catholics are very close on this topic, but I think the 19th century dogma would have been articulated differently if the statement if the East & the language of the fathers was employed. Orthodox obviously also take issue with the methodology of how the decision was arrived at dogmatically.

@ignatiusl.7478 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home brother. Steer clear of the politics in the Church. Focus on growing and becoming more like Christ.

@nastjavk 5 месяцев назад

Good points! For me also big thing is also important that Orthodoxy distinct between the "nous" (eye of the heart) and the reason (mind).. In RCC this is all the same. Glory to God and welcome in Orthodoxy!! + 🕊️

@TheRomanOrthodox 6 месяцев назад

Welcome. I was traditionalist Catholic, a choir director, and a Catholic school teacher (like you). Reach out if you want to talk about this more.

@seekingtruth323 6 месяцев назад

Beautiful....looking forward to the rest of the story!

@amirsad4113 6 месяцев назад

Glory to the Father Son and Holy Spirit wellcome home😊

@MR1895Cowboy 6 месяцев назад

I left Protestantism 11 years ago for the One, True, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I am so glad to see you making this same choice. Fr. Patrick shared your story with us and we will be praying for you. Many will try to stop you and many attacks will be unleashed. Remain strong and of good heart.

@luizfilipecouto1030 6 месяцев назад

Praying for you to come back soon 🙏🏻🇻🇦

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

Why would anyone go back to error and heresy? From a former cradle Catholic

@tatyanalarkin7648 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home brother! Latin Catholic for 30 years (long stretch as a daily mass Catholic), Byzantine Catholic for 1 year (mother's family Eastern rite for generations), then Orthodox for 22 years. My relationship with the Holy Trinity deepened radically only after becoming Orthodox. No regrets. Only the joy of going from glory to glory.

@kingattila506 6 месяцев назад

Glory to Jesus Christ!!! ☦️☦️☦️

@achilles4242 6 месяцев назад

Sad to hear but I wish you the best in your journey. Hopefully our Churches will become one again and so it’s ultimately moot. Will always have a place for you if you decide to come back. God bless.

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

The true ONE, holy, catholic and apostolic Church is not split, it cannot be. The church of Rome needs to denounce its heresies and come back to the true church of Jesus Christ, the Orthodox Church.

@achilles4242 6 месяцев назад

@@pero33403 Alright, i’ll take your bait: What are the heresies you’re talking about? I have my bingo card set I’ll see if you hit all the pop-orthobro talking points. Ready…go!

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

@@achilles4242 Too many heresies to count. I am glad you all of sudden have a change of heart and want to unify with Orthodox, but why unify with people who are in the wrong?! Doesn't make sense, right?

@achilles4242 6 месяцев назад

@@pero33403 Name ten heresies.

@OrangeRaft 6 месяцев назад

@@achilles4242 I got u. 1. Filioque 2. Papal Supremacy 3. Blessing of fake and gray couples 4. Evolution of doctrine 5. Macro evolution declared compatible with the Christian faith 6. Nestorianism (from certain Uniate groups in your church) 7. Miaphysitism (also from certain Uniate groups in your church) 8. Use of unleavened bread in communion 9. Not communing infants 10. Barlaamite heresy and absolute divine simplicity

@kellytrinca2926 6 месяцев назад

So happy for you and your family! Glory to God! May God grant you many years 🙏🏼

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Kelly! Keep us in your prayers. Our kids are handling it well, but like with any adventure, it is filled with both joys and challenges.

@joachimjustinmorgan4851 6 месяцев назад

Well, I for one am not shocked. It’s so wonderful to have you and your family in the Church.

@basilmakedon 2 месяца назад

we got another one boys☦☦

@theosis_pilgrim8994 6 месяцев назад

May your journey be blessed. 🙏☦️

@BarbaPamino 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God! Welcome home. You'll be more Roman and more Catholic in the Orthodox Church. Trust me. 🙏

@zita-lein 6 месяцев назад

Interesting. For me, though, learning from the Orthodox has confirmed me in my Latin Rite Faith, where God brought me. Here I will stay, learning, praying, repenting, and defending. To stay and warrior on for the Faith is a grace. If after all these years as Latin Rite, you are comfortable with disavowing the Primacy of Peter, I nonetheless believe we are still brethren and wish you well and all Godspeed. ❤️💙

@pero33403 6 месяцев назад

The Orthodox do not deny the primacy of Peter, but its supremacy.

@tarzanbonanno 2 месяца назад

I'm a convert to Catholicism. and still enjoy your content, I missed this video so seeing the Orthodox Church with no explanation, I had to find this video. Personally I feel like we need to be one Church again but I cannot leave the Catholic Church because of the amount of time the early church write about the need to be in communion with Peter. if you're convicted of the Orthodox Church, God Bless you I just pray that we enter comunion as ONE HOLY CATHOLIC,ORTHODOX, AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH again.

@barrelagedfaith 2 месяца назад

Thank you and appreciate your encouragement! If you ever have questions about the Orthodox understanding of being in communion with St. Peter, we can discuss this.

@tarzanbonanno 2 месяца назад

@@barrelagedfaith Absolutely Brother! As someone working in the Ecumenical field between Catholics and Orthodox, I'd love to further discussion. Also anything you have on the Orthodox view/understanding of being in communion with St. Peter, would be very much appreciated

@genetaylor7713 6 месяцев назад

So you don’t have a problem with the Orthodox positions on remarriage after divorce, contraception? What about the geographic separation within Orthodoxy and the ecumenical councils where they agreed with papal supremacy and the filioque?

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

I'll be addressing these one by one in future videos and articles. Concerning the first one, keep in mind that communing people in second marriages was the standard practice in the East under certain conditions even when the two churches were together. In other words, it was a historic practice of the Catholic Church (And the Eastern half was bigger back then!) The Eastern Christians who became in communion with Rome continued to practice second marriages until Rome finally shut in down about 100 hundred years ago with the 1917 code of law. Rome has never required the Orthodox to change this practice when discussing reunion (See Florence in the 15th century) and many church fathers held the same views. They preferred that people remain celibate if their marriage fell apart, but often there were exceptions for those who were abandoned by another spouse. Today, the modern practice of annulments in the Roman Catholic Church function basically like second marriages. Most of these annulments occur because "the former spouse was immature" and somehow invalidated the marriage. That is strange. I mean, nearly all divorces are the result of immaturity and so that means pretty much any marriage can be annulled in the Catholic world as if it never happened which is strange...

@LadderOfDescent 6 месяцев назад

Roman Catholics can have multiple annulments. They believe in divorce and remarriage

@LadderOfDescent 6 месяцев назад

What about cardinals from the Catholic Church admitting the ecclesiastical position of the orthodox verbatim in the Cheiti and Alexandria documents?

@masterchief8179 6 месяцев назад

Thank God you are still on a process here on earth, my friend. I wish you luck, but I could have predicted it all through your posts! I’d 100% disagree with your take on “Orthodoxy” by G.K. Chesterton allegedly being more applicable to Eastern Orthodoxy than to Catholicism. Of course “Orthodoxy” was written in 1908 and “Why I am a Catholic” was written in 1926, but so many things were hinted in “Orthodoxy” and I guess it’s so impossible to miss it if one is truly immersed in his (literary) universe and his (intellectual and spiritual) horizon. How G.K. Chesterton reacted to the 1930 Lamberth Conference that changed - officially - Anglican teaching on contraception is not to be ignored, judging by the relation he makes with it and other social ills in his works on eugenics and overall morality, for instance. He never salutes the Church for its fossilization or for failing to speak because she can’t or simply doesn’t, but for speaking - under the dogmatic liveliness she necessarily has to have - the immutable truths in all circumstances, even (and specially) in varying approaches. That Chestertonian test wouldn’t put him on the side of EO in multiple senses, but - judging by EO stances on both divorce and contraception, or his take on the Petrine leadership of the Church - make him only more soaked in Catholicism. I understand former Protestants can be amazed primarily (depending on the person) by the sense of ancient in both Apostolic Tradition and in ecclesiastical traditions (with small ‘t’) and only secondarily by the correction of doctrines of faith and morals. I respect all peoples’ paths towards the apostolic faith and I particularly like this channel’s ecumenical approach, mostly when it’s authentically ecumenical towards home first, a test that so many times failed Catholicism through political conservative lenses giving orientation to theology (and not the other way around, as far as I understood it). There is this fidelity test in American conservatism nowadays indeed. Yet aesthetics - which are an integral part of truth - are never reducible to it. The greatest of the Muslim chants, Buddhist prayers or Hinduist funerals can all communicate beauty in a sense that even the most grandiose Eastern Orthodox Divine Liturgy or Assyrian Qurbana maybe can’t: being objectively beautiful cannot suffice “per se”. The 1) good, 2) true and 3) one are the three consensual transcendentals in the perennial Philosophy; yet the fourth one, which is argued to be the 4) beautiful, is an intellectual development that only came through Medieval Catholic Scholastics (St Albertus Magnus and the likes) illuminating us. And it could never came from any other source. Because even so, beauty can only satisfy men’s longing for God (“homo capax Dei” in the Augustinian sense) if it touches simultaneously the truth (‘verum’), the goodness (‘bonum’) and the unity (‘unum’), so as to illuminate the being (‘ens’). Only the Catholic Church can possess it. Or, even better, only she can communicate beauty (‘pulchrum’) for the very reason that the very being can’t be divided. As higher spiritual faculties, the intellect and the will must never surrender to the senses, but must elevate them. Of course beauty is the easiest way to get there (precisely because it communicates through the senses, not through intellectual and volitive abstractions), therefore it is the easiest to be trapped about, because of the struggles of sensorial appetites, which can deceive our intellect and will through the appearance of sensual rigorism or sensual “control of disturbances”. If only the (recent) traditionalist movement in the USA read G.K. Chesterton, we would be in a much better place as the Church universal, judging by the potential of communication that Anglophone Internet has worldwide. I wish you luck and that you return home sooner or later!😊 God bless your paths. From 🇧🇷 Brazil.

@adoseoftheosis 6 месяцев назад

Love you, brother! God bless you and your family as you go further up and further in!

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Appreciate your encouragement brother!

@nikadgod5152 6 месяцев назад

You can have the best of both worlds and become eastern Catholics.

@sharondavidson7412 6 месяцев назад

Exactly.

@neotradnous 6 месяцев назад

Eastern Catholicism is a massive walking contradiction.

@nikadgod5152 6 месяцев назад

@@neotradnous why?

@neotradnous 6 месяцев назад

@@nikadgod5152 veneration of Orthodox saints that Rome has condemned as heretics, married priests, doesn’t recite the filioque even though that’s Catholic dogma, etc

@nikadgod5152 6 месяцев назад

@@neotradnous none of those things impact your salvation. It's union with the church and the eucharist that matter

@johnsayre2038 6 месяцев назад

Regarding "official documents" within Orthodoxy, one thing that was a stumbling point for me is that I could not find consistency between the various Churches (ROCOR, GOARCH, OCA If I recall correctly), for some of those "Boots on the ground/ brass tacks issues" such as contraception, divorce/remarriage, and baptism/rebaptism ("corrective" baptism). So, to my mind, my Lutheran baptism would be accepted in the OCA, but perhaps not in other Orthodox Churches. This was a real sticking point for me. I'm curious if you have thought this through or addressed this elsewhere. God bless you on your journey. (Note: I am not a scholar and do not pretend to be. I've read books pro and contra Catholicism, but, reading a few books does not a scholar make. The above question is asked in good faith, and not because I have all the answers and think I am setting some type of a trap for you to walk in. This was simply a sticking point for me along my journey and I wanted to engage with you. All the best).

@caseycardenas1668 6 месяцев назад

This is a real issue in Orthodoxy. All the jurisdictions within SCOBA accept baptisms from non-orthodox jurisdictions, they will typically receive you via chrismation if you've been baptized using the trinitarian formula even with sprinkling or pouring. On the other hand, there are a vocal group of those who say that any baptism outside of Orthodox Jurisdiction is invalid especially because the lack of immersion. They will reference councils, decrees, dogmatic statements etc. So you're stuck with real canonical jurisdictions stuck in disagreement over how to receive converts, and if there are even valid baptisms outside of Orthodoxy. This was settled in the Second Ecumenical Council, but many Orthodox claim that non-immersion baptism is invalid unless it was done for reason of grave necessity or inability to immerse. You run into the issue of what is grave necessity, is my church not having an adult size baptismal font or pool, enough to constitute making pouring a valid form?

@johnsayre2038 6 месяцев назад

@@caseycardenas1668 very interesting. Thank you for sharing with all that. These are deeper waters (I couldn't resist!) than I can swim at this point in level of knowledge, But don't we read in the Didache The preference for full immersion but the acceptance of pouring?

@caseycardenas1668 6 месяцев назад

@@johnsayre2038 We do read this in the Didache, yes.

@jacobwoods6153 6 месяцев назад

This is a huge issue. So, you're basically committing sacrilegious if you have a valid Trinitarian baptism and have to be re baptized to enter into Orthodoxy (Pope St. Stephen settled this 1800 years ago). Contraception is a big one as well I have a good friend of mine who was Serbian Orthodox and became Catholic. He told me that they were fine with condoms in certain situations. I'm sorry but there are no situations where you can justify Contraception in any form no matter the circumstances. Catholicism has issues, but Orthodoxy has major "organ" issues if you will. One of the criteria for the Church is to be one in doctrine. You have two grave issues (one being sacramental, the other pertaining to natural law) where the Patriarchs are not one in doctrine. I'd rather have clown masses all over (obviously this is not even close to reality), where the Eucharist is still valid and I have a clear teaching on Contraception and knowing whether I need to be baptized as a convert into Catholicism or if my Trinitarian baptism will suffice then have based liturgies where I committed sacrilege to enter into this particular communion and I am being told that in particular circumstances grave sin is ok under the justification of just having the right "phronema" and to not be too western.

@caseycardenas1668 6 месяцев назад

@@jacobwoods6153 Orthodox have a valid Eucharist.

@ultimouomo11 6 месяцев назад

I came across the news of your conversion story by a posting of a particular Catholic content creator. I just watched your video. Then when it finished, a video popped up on the screen entitled, “Orthodox Christian Blogger Converts to Catholicism.” 😂

@connorblasing3969 6 месяцев назад

Take your time taking in western baggage theologically is something that can cause issues. God bless.

@blackriflehomestead 6 месяцев назад

I was very much surprised and saddened to see this video. Why not make a rite transfer from Roman to Byzantine Catholic, and remain in full communion with your Catholic brothers and sisters and remain in submission to the Successor of St. Peter? I sensed the love of the East in your videos, as my husband and I have the same interest, and always thought that you’d be someone who’d be perfect for a rite transfer! With CS Lewis’s quote, he seems a little confused on how doctrine in Catholicism works. Did he think that Popes can just make up doctrines? They can’t, because public revelation has ended. Doctrine does develop and we have specific ways in which doctrine is emphasized depending on the current needs of the faithful and the times. But it’s not like a Pope is going to suddenly proclaim a new doctrine out of thin air. I think that submitting to the authority of the successor of St. Peter, the Pope of Rome, and trusting that he won’t make any pronouncements that go against Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition, is an exercise in humility and docility for all of us Catholics. Because I’m sure you know as a Catholic teacher that refusing to submit to the Roman Pontiff or be in communion with those subject to him is the definition of schism. So going from Catholicism to Orthodoxy is objectively a schismatic act which is a grave sin. *ETA: Also, seeing the Catholic Church and the apostolic eastern churches not in communion with Rome as basically the same thing is also the grave sin of indifferentism. The eastern churches not in communion with Rome, while they possess apostolic succession and valid sacraments and many other beliefs that are the same as Catholicism, they lack the fullness of the truth and full communion. Therefore they are not equal to the Catholic Church and again, if a Catholic makes an equivocation between the Catholic Church and apostolic eastern churches not in communion with Rome, it is objectively a grave sin. There are many things about the eastern tradition that are beautiful and attractive. However, as Catholics we can find the eastern tradition, along with full communion with the Roman Pontiff, in the eastern Catholic churches. I will surely be praying for you that you one day find your way back to Holy Mother Church! 🙏🏼

@dp34576 4 месяца назад

I'm currently a Uniate and will tell you that being Eastern Catholic is not the same thing as being Orthodox.

@dp34576 4 месяца назад

The ECs are externally Byzantine (liturgics, etc.) but dogmatically Roman.

@georgecrosthwaite 6 месяцев назад

Thank you for making this video, it was helpful!

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Glad it was helpful!

@angelandres08 6 месяцев назад

Christ (Truth) is IRRESISTIBLE, and truly when found, a real Fountain of Life, Love, Joy, and all the sould wants, may The Merciful Lord bless you and all yours.

@shovelleator4738 6 месяцев назад

Totally agree. Just chatting with my new God son yesterday and said unless you become comfortable with the truth making you uncomfortable you’ll never find it. Becoming orthodox with my wife and family almost 25 years ago was the best ( the only) path towards truth and authenticity

@MalarkusD 2 месяца назад

I only discovered your channel recently and assumed you were Orthodox. I suppose your heart was already there and that shone through.

@cartersims2207 6 месяцев назад

fantastic video! I had really deep roots in Anglicanism as a teenager and it was largely C.S. Lewis that raised the standard of what the church is for me to jump to Orthodoxy. I had many thoughts like "what is the church going to look like by the end of my lifetime?" and to see someone put it into such good wording is really encouraging. May God preserve you and your family!

@and1lnull 4 месяца назад

Absolute legend 😎

@ellisspear 6 месяцев назад

I am not surprised at all to hear this. You are an amazing young man. Wonderful husband, father and friend to all. We all benefit from your knowledge, insights, writing and broadcasts etc. I look forward to hearing and seeing much more from you as you transition into Holy Orthodoxy. My God Bless you and your family.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Ellis!

@LadderOfDescent 6 месяцев назад

Glory to Jesus Christ☦️

@cassiuscollectio6553 6 месяцев назад

Amin, Brother! ☦️

@IOANNIS-l7r 6 месяцев назад

BELOVED ORTHODOXY NEVER WE QUIT YOU WE HAVE SEEN THE TRUE LIGHT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE SPIRIT OF HEAVEN.

@itsmelorijayne 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God! Orthodox since 2021

@KentHartmann 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God! Welcome Home! ☦️☦️☦️ Your channel is truly leaning into its name even more so now as you venture into the Ancient Aged, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Orthodox Faith. May the Good Lord bless you and your family on this beautiful journey.

@user-hj8vd2od9h 6 месяцев назад

I would love to know your epistemological methodology for objectively determining supernatural/theological truths.

@ddenny6863 6 месяцев назад

I am also joining Orthodoxy soon! Congrats!

@Rome_77 6 месяцев назад

I have much to say on this, and I am a bit sorry to see this news, but what I will say is that it is unfair to compare RC (large/widespread/mainstream) to EO (tiny/fringe) - these two are often contrasted as “two halves” but we are really not comparing apples to apples - RC is >5x bigger than EO. In America we’re talking RC home 71 million compared to EO home to ~1million. Of course you’d encounter a more traditional “taste and see” artisanal/alternative experience in the diasporic communities of Eastern Christianity. It is easier to appear coherent, pure, beautiful and “untouched” when you’ve had the fortune of being “off the grid”. RC has had a different history carrying Christendom on their back, and so we still carry burdens and have many knots to untangle. We are not only 5x the size of the East but we are in direct confrontation /dialogue with Protestantism/secularism. This helps explain some of the silliness we see. At the risk of sounding rude, fleeing to “the East” feels like little more than another form of Prot-like sectarian restorationist escapism. It is really not the oasis and bulwark of “apostolic civilizational Christianity” it pretends to be. Frankly western converts appear guilty of a form of religious exoticism not unlike “converts” to Buddhism/hinduism back in the day. The fight is happening in Rome. And as Rome goes, so goes the world.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

1) This had more to do with theological alignment of views that I have held for many years rather than fleeing the drama of Rome. There is also drama in Orthodoxy and wherever human beings live and breathe. So for me, it is about being a person of integrity when I teach the faith to my children first and foremost. 2) The Churches in the East used to make up 3/5ths of the Catholic Church and so you don't want to use "size matters" arguments. What if Roman Catholicism became smaller than Mormonism someday? (not likely) but you would still hold to theological truth even if it was smaller. Arianism was pretty big at one time as well. (St. Athanasius verses the world!). It is strange to talk about size comparisons in Protestant America. 3) If the Orthodox did not exist, who would hold the creative theologians at the Vatican accountable? I think it was Cardinal Hollerich who said that Catholics cannot really consider women priests because of the Orthodox. So the West needs the East and the East needs the West, but in the end, my decision ultimately came down to dogmatics and the nature of Apostolic Tradition... not the smells and bells. Take brother!

@Rome_77 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith I’m not pointing to size = truth. The size difference helps provide context when doing superficial comparisons on how things “feel and look” on the ground - especially in regards to the form of the liturgy. An underground hipster singer-songwriter becomes extremely popular/mainstream and much will change. He will want to stick to his roots but he also has other pressures that an up and coming artist hasn’t been tempted by. The “main character energy” for Catholicism is a meme argument but it does has some force. It’s not really “size” as much as it is the historical fact that Christendom (civilizational Christianity) has been led by Rome and the successor of Peter. The Catholic Church maintains these “main character” Roman/Petrine visible notes of the church militant. The East has had to cope with literally lacking these notes and so has had to overspiritualize “Rome and Peter”.

@Rome_77 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith It is obvious that by being divided we are missing out on key strengths of the “other side”. My point is “both sides” are not equal. Joseph was not equal to his brothers. His brothers outnumbered him. But Joseph flourished and his brothers rejoined him in Egypt.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

@@Rome_77 No doubt we need each other! I have strived for Catholic/Orthodox unity for a long time as well as the riches of the Greek, Latin, Syriac traditions living alongside one another. For me, I needed to be honest about what I thought was ultimately true dogmatically and go from there.

@Rome_77 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith If it’s about dogma, I wish you the best. We have to agree to disagree. I sense good will, it was just some of the reasons you gave in the video give the impression that the pull towards EO was based off other things (like how things just appear on the face of things). I think people do find themselves allured by those reasons so I just wanted to bring awareness as to why RC might be in a state of what feels like an “identity crisis” especially when compared to “pure and pristine” EO. Not apples to apples. That’s all.

@djfan08 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God. God bless you brother.

@zealousideal 28 дней назад

I’d like to talk with you. I went the other way. But not to debate or anything but just to learn more from you.

@danielhixon8209 6 месяцев назад

I’m always Catholic (just not Roman/papal). Totally agree. I’m an Anglican clergyman myself (thanks in part to CS Lewis, one of my heroes) and I completely resonate with his reason for not being Roman Catholic. It would be easier to trust “whatever the magisterium will come up with” if I was confident that (as the pop-apologists claim) that the RCC had never reversed course or changed a doctrine… but then, just look at the church of 2024 under Francis compared to, say, 1924 or compared to 424. Some may be surprised at this, but I am optimistic about the future of Anglicanism - we are realigning around classical orthodoxy and leaving the revisionist provinces behind. I’m praying and hoping for the best for the Roman Catholics and for you and the Orthodox. God guide us all into all truth (and therefore into deeper union together in him).

@warrenroby6907 6 месяцев назад

I am drawn to Anglicanism and would like to more about your optimism.

@danielhixon8209 6 месяцев назад

@@warrenroby6907 There are more than 40 Provinces or National Anglican churches around the world. What many people know is that many of the Western Provinces (Episcopal Church, Anglican Church of Canada, Scottish Episcopal Church and - increasingly - even the Church of England) have embraced revisionism and departed from classic and Biblical orthodoxy. These revisionist Provinces are, without exception, experiencing deep membership declines. What is less well-known is that this has spurred an increasingly robust and increasingly organized response from the other Provinces - most of which are growing - which represent the vast majority of world Anglicanism. Since the launch of GAFCON and it's Jerusalem Declaration in 2008 there has been a renewed focus on classic Anglican doctrine; whole new Provinces have also been created - and they are all growing. I am a member of the Anglican Church in North America, which is growing such that, if current trends continue, it should surpass The Episcopal Church in size during my lifetime (despite the Episcopal Church having an almost 300 year head-start!). There is now work being done on what is called "the Cairo Covenant" that will provide a covenant structure for mutual accountability and greater coordination among Provinces that will essentially replace the old "instruments of Communion" which have proved ineffective for maintaining anything like unity in the Anglican Communion. While things are certainly "messy" right now, I believe a good trajectory has been set, so that in a generation or two the vast almost all of the World's Anglicans will be in faithful and orthodox provinces that are in covenant together and share a more focused sense of our teaching and discipline. Whatever remains of the revisionist Provinces will be marginal influences in, and perhaps completely out of fellowship with, a robust, orthodox, and evangelistic Anglicanism world-wide.

@warrenroby6907 6 месяцев назад

@@danielhixon8209 thank you for the helpful response. I am a cradle Presbyterian who has received so much benefit from Anglicans such as NT Wright that I believe this is the path for me. I have two questions for you: 1) do you know of dialogue between "Eastern" Orthodox and Anglicanism and 2) are you aware of the work of Peter Leitart on a kind of pan-Protestantism. He is a Presbyterian who certainly adopts many features of Anglicanism.

@StephenWellerAndrew 6 месяцев назад

you arent catholic. apostolicae curae says so.

@okiebasil 6 месяцев назад

A friend, and now Orthodox priest, in Oklahoma made a similar journey, from being a catechism teacher in the RCC to Orthodoxy. He realized, while teaching about the practices of the ancient Church, he kept referencing the current, unchanging practices of the Orthodox Church. After awhile he realized the disparity between the two was a strong indicator the Eastern Church was in fact the continuation of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church without change.

@danieldefonce 6 месяцев назад

There are much worse decisions to make. But, as a soon-to-be Eastern Catholic, I explored EO all 2023 and found it wanting-good, but not satisfying due to their ecclesial divisions, ethno-centrism, theological inconsistency, and animosity toward the West (plus their rejection of the Son’s involvement with the Spirit’s eternal procession).

@b.r.holmes6365 6 месяцев назад

Ecclesiastical divisions? With respect, brother in Christ, you are being myopic. Modern Roman Catholicism is deeply divided. German and Belgian bishops bless same sex couples for example. Rome gave limited approval to this practice.

@Obilisk18 6 месяцев назад

I think the continuity in Orthodox liturgy is certainly a point in its favor, but to me it's a little like commenting that Sweden has less racism than the US- true, perhaps, but without any of close quarters culture clashes that ordinarily produce racism. Orthodoxy is, demographically, insular and doubly so given the explicitly ethnic nature of their patriarchates. Orthodoxy is much, much smaller than Catholicism and has been, for lo this age, either the only game in town religiously or almost not a cultural feature. These are nigh perfect conditions for continuity and the preservation of tradition. If Orthodoxy one day becomes "Here Comes Everybody", as Joyce dubbed the Catholic Church, and looks the same 100 years later, that will be impressive. But at the moment this particular claim leaves me cold.

@JohnSmith-vn5gp 6 месяцев назад

This is a low hanging fruit argumentative platitude that when when personally examined within numerous orthodox church’s is not accurate.

@bottomoftherabbithole 6 месяцев назад

@@JohnSmith-vn5gpHit the nail on the head

@gsnow2526 6 месяцев назад

You mean the Roman Church cannot do what the Church did during the 1st thousand years in holding to these traditions? The reason why things changed in Rome at this level have to do with the very claims that led to the schism. It's not because they ended up having a bigger population. How does one thing follow the other?

@mathyre232 6 месяцев назад

The assertion that the Orthodox Church is small & insular is based on your perception of it in America. Orthodox is HUGE with millions upon millions of adherents in hundreds of countries.

@Rome_77 6 месяцев назад

You said it much better than I have, but this is always the point I try to bring up when people point to a superficial side-by-side comparison. You’d be surprised how many are under the impression that Eastern Christianity is quite literally the “other half” of the church equal in size and significance. It’s not only that RC is much larger but we are also positioned differently being a historical leader of the western world. The populations of EO and their leadership is positioned politically and geographically “out of reach” and “off the grid” of the world stage of the liberal secular West. Their churches and leaders do not suffer with the same pressures and temptations the Catholic Church is forced to wrestle with. It’s easy to say they have “held fast” but it’s more likely they have been “forgotten and overlooked”.

@JonathonSeaborn 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home! I look forward to getting together soon.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Can't wait!

@OrthoHillbilly 6 месяцев назад

Hello from the Lawson family at St. Patrick’s. Glad to hear you and your family are coming home. Praise the lord. ☦️

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thank you Lawson family!

@obiwankenobi6871 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home brother ☦️

@sharondavidson7412 6 месяцев назад

😢

@prometheusjones6580 6 месяцев назад

The key thing you should drive home is that since the 19th century, the papacy has transformed from a conservative institution into a progressive one. He used to be considered a living expression of the perennial apostolic tradition as deposited in Rome; but in the modern period, the papacy transformed into a personality cult that unifies the Catholic Church. This is partly why Giovanni Gentile saw the anticipation of his doctrine in Pius X. To be fair to Catholicism, though, this has been acknowledged as a problem in some corners-mostly by disgruntled Ratzingerians. How much does that matter? Idk.

@erickwittemann7536 6 месяцев назад

Did you ever fear leaving the Roman Church? If it is the true Church, you are committing a schismatic act. I ask this question because I have struggled with temptations to become Orthodox for years. This desire has intensified during the present pontificate. For twenty years I have promoted the traditional Latin Mass. Our community remains in operation because we received a dispensation which is due to expire next year. Traditiones Custodes and the subsequent rescript demonstarate that any pope can change what his predecessor has accomplished. I increasingly find that rule by one man has wreaked havoc on my spiritual life. But fear of possibly leaving the Church that Christ founded keeps me Catholic. Please pray for me! My confirmation name is Edmund Campion. God bless you!

@mathyre232 6 месяцев назад

Welcome, brother!

@JohnICX 6 месяцев назад

Does that mean that your beliefs regarding Mary have changed?

@LillianMorris-u2z 6 месяцев назад

Do some research

@DrChaunceyBlevins 6 месяцев назад

@@LillianMorris-u2zno you. John has a point.

@bottomoftherabbithole 6 месяцев назад

The only real differences are: 1. We Orthodox believe Mary necessarily died (hence the Dormition of the Theotokos is one of the 12 major Feasts of the Church). This shouldn't be at all controversial since historically this was a Holy Tradition in both the East and the West, and was really only called into question as a necessary truth when the Roman Church declared the Immaculate Conception a dogma in the 19th century...which by extension made it possible (if not likely) that she never tasted of death since she *allegedly* was born free of the consequences of original sin. 2. The Immaculate Conception itself. We reject this teaching as it is understood and dogmatically taught in the Roman Church. Plenty of resources out there to learn about why that is. 3. Obviously our perspective on some of the post schism apparitions we would call into question. Some shouldn't be too controversial since even the Roman Church basically rejected them (or at least did until extremely recently) like Medjugorje. Others have been wholesale accepted by Rome which we would see as extremely problematic for a number of reasons (like Fatima). Unfortunately this is a huge stumbling block for people because they become so emotionally attached to the idea of these apparitions that they allow them to be the standard by which Christian truth is timely judged....which is precisely why apparitions in the Orthodox Church, while they happen, are never going to be the justification for a new teaching, nonetheless a new dogma. We are to test the spirits according to the standard of truth of the faith, not allow spirits to be the standard by which the truth of the faith is judged. Hope that helps. God bless!

@JohnICX 6 месяцев назад

@@bottomoftherabbithole@bottomoftherabbithole I appreciate you presenting the debate from an Orthodox perspective. As a gentle note, I would not dismiss fellow Christians' devotion as merely emotional attachments. If a Western Christian were to say that Orthodoxy's interest in Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite is an attachment to Neoplationic nonsense, they would be wrong for dismissing works that are profound and faithful to the tradition.

@bottomoftherabbithole 6 месяцев назад

@@JohnICX it wasn't meant to be a generalization, I'm speaking from my experience. And many people are absolutely emotionally attached to the apparitions in the post schism Roman Church. Honestly, I'd say some go so far as to make idols out of them, even valuing them over the authority of the Pope himself. We can see this clearly when, for so many years, Roman Catholics were technically forbidden from making pilgrimages to Medjugorje, but millions continued to anyway. This is a totally different kind of connection than an Orthodox might have to the writings of St. Dionysius.

@thelonelysponge5029 6 месяцев назад

What? How could this be?

@bottomoftherabbithole 6 месяцев назад

Incredible news! Glory to God! the prayers of the Trinca household are with you as you make this blessed transition, brother🙏☦️

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thanks Reader Paul and for your important work!

@ThruTheUnknown 6 месяцев назад

Both of these apostolic jurisdictions have their pros and cons. I've received a mystical experience in the novus ordo mass to do with the immanent paraouisa (see ratzinger and scot hahn's lambs supper), ive never experienced anywhere else including E.O. But my theology is still more Eastern orthodox than catholic (procession of the holy spirit, essence/energies & purgatory etc). The Jesus prayer is an essential to salvation, if not salvation itself IMHO. But even Nicholas cabalisa says mary was born from untainted clay in terms of the immaculate conception. That's how i know there's grace in both churches. Anyway pick the one that is comfortable for you as long as it's apostolic it really doesn't matter as catholicism shifted on some these matters to be closer to E.O. theology (purgatory etc).

@caseycardenas1668 6 месяцев назад

Procession of the Holy Spirit as defined in Florence is dogmatic and cannot be denied as a Catholic. As long as it's Apostolic it doesn't matter is gross oversimplification.

@mathyre232 6 месяцев назад

The Jesus Prayer is not essential to salvation nor does the Orthodox Church teach this. It is very helpful but not essential.

@mathyre232 6 месяцев назад

Neither is it a magic spell.

@ThruTheUnknown 6 месяцев назад

I'm not saying the orthodox church teach that is salvation, only that something that is helpful to beat and ward off the suggestions from the devil & his army is something very considerable to our salvation. My fault, I was being a bit controversial saying it in the manner I did, but was more trying to emphasize how important it has become to me, hence the IMHO (trying to state this in a subjective way & from my opinion).

@nazarenehebrewassembly8325 6 месяцев назад

Amen!

@scarletstevens 6 месяцев назад

This is AMAZING!! 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼☦️☦️☦️

@steadydividends571 6 месяцев назад

You need to do some work with Fr. Andrew Dammick and Rich Rohlin. They also love Tolkien and CS Lewis and connect the concepts to Orthodoxy.

@bonitakupton 6 месяцев назад

🌟Glory to God🌟

@chriscline8901 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God!

@opinion3742 6 месяцев назад

Steve Carell has really let himself go! Oh sorry, I thought I was on a Stewart Lee video.

@heinoschaapman1584 Месяц назад

Chesterton lived during a different time. Orthodox might have looked bad then with the Russian revolution and opposition to Austria Hungary.

@barrelagedfaith Месяц назад

Geo-politics certainly played a role in most peoples' minds. Many Americans over the last century would have been repelled by the Russian influence (Cold War) and Middle Eastern influence (Historical ignorance). I knew people who simply thought Greek Orthodoxy was just Greek Roman Catholicism and it wasn't even a real option. Rod Dreher even mentions that was his perception. They stopped teaching Byzantine/Eastern Roman Empire history in schools a long time ago in the West and so there was a general gap in peoples' understanding. So Orthodoxy is just getting started in the West as live option for most people.

@freedomfields5569 6 месяцев назад

Can you give us your view on the great schism.

@rickmiller2042 6 месяцев назад

Sorry to hear but understand.

@EgonCholakian69 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God

@AppalachianPaisano 6 месяцев назад

Sad, God willing you come back to the Church someday.

@AppalachianPaisano 6 месяцев назад

@@paulallenscards Sorry, I'm just a silly goober.

@adolphCat 6 месяцев назад

How did he leave the Church? How is the Orthodox Church not part of the Catholic Church?

@b.r.holmes6365 6 месяцев назад

Why, so he can venerate the Pachamama demon goddess?

@djspenceital 6 месяцев назад

By the time of Basil, how many genuine apostolic traditions were actually preserved? I mean this in terms of smaller practices.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

The 3rd and 4th century was a great time to reveal what the Apostles past on! Only the Protestants really doubt this.

@djspenceital 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith 1) there’s a lot of modern scholars who would doubt this narrative, and they shouldn’t be dismissed so easily, nor on confessional grounds 2) it’s possible that the church of the 3rd and 4th centuries could preserve Tradition while mistakenly attributing some practices to the apostles.

@djspenceital 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith to be clear, are you claiming that Basil’s comments around the sign of the cross imply that Tertullian’s account of the sign is incorrect? I haven’t read the text of Basil directly, but cursory research tells me that there’s a difference in practice.

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

@@djspenceital Could you be more specific? I am not speaking of the way the sign of the cross is made. I am simply stating it as an example of Apostolic Tradition that it exists and a Pope nor Council should nor could abolish the practice from the faithful. It is an example and connects to other issues.

@djspenceital 6 месяцев назад

@@barrelagedfaith yes I am referring to how the sign of the cross is done. Tertullian speaks about it as performed on the forehead alone. If this is an apostolic practice, why wouldn’t the change to current practice (where the sign of the cross is performed across the torso) constitute a rejection of an apostolic practice? By saying that the way the sign of the cross is performed doesn’t matter, while believing that it’s a practice from the apostles, you’re still inventing your own standard to distinguish between what matters and what doesn’t. Obviously there are other issues with the argument, such as holy days and Romans 14, or liturgical changes over time.

@ScotAshton Месяц назад

Ancient Churches are Church indeed. The word " denomination" does not apply to Orthodoxy, Coptic and their affiliates and the 22 rites of Catholicism. These are NOT denominations---not in ANY way. That adjective is with the Protestants --PROTESTants. Thank You.

@WPAOrthodox 5 месяцев назад

☦️☦️☦️

@javaman8895 6 месяцев назад

This Convertodox phenomenon has me baffled. I grew up directly across the street from a GO Church. It was a purely cultural institution much like RC is to an Italian. There was no evangelization, no signs of pious living, just culture. I even went to school with GO. They were no different than a nominal Catholic. You can go ahead and join your orthobros and beat your chests that you are now in the true faith.

@sihtnaelkk2187 6 месяцев назад

The 'orthodoxy is ethnic - no evangelization' shtick has been responded to a million times. Nothing you said constitutes an argument against orthodoxy or is even a valid critique

@LadderOfDescent 6 месяцев назад

Yep. None of that is true.

@LadderOfDescent 6 месяцев назад

There’s “nominal” members of every group

@John__117 6 месяцев назад

We get to see the true side of papists when their feelings are hurt. Prime example right here.

@javaman8895 6 месяцев назад

@@John__117my feelings are not hurt. I’m sharing my observations on the matter. Your use of the P word is evidence of your feelings and what you think about Catholicism.

@MichaelGarten 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God my friend! Welcome home! You and my family will always be in my prayers

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thanks friend!

@shovelleator4738 6 месяцев назад

Brother, welcome home! Orthodox convert (with my wife and children) of 25 years in Australia and we have never ever questioned or doubted at all and the children are all walking the walk and we even have a 21/2 yo granddaughter chanting axion esti in Greek!! That might be you in a couple of decades !

@clivejames5058 6 месяцев назад

C.S. Lewis' comment on why he could not become Catholic due to having to accept any future 'uncertain' Catholic doctrines had me thinking if I felt the same. I realised I don't have the same fears. Roman Catholic Dogma is only ever decided when a Pope is speaking ex cathedra or “from the chair” and not when he's in a random meeting or at the breakfast table! He can only speak on matters of faith and morals and it must be in line with Scripture. Finally, it should be addressed to the world only after careful consultation with relevant cardinals and bishops. If I was sitting down with C.S. Lewis today, I would encourage him to trust in Christ’s Church (obviously the Catholic Church although of course, I include the Orthodox Church) as the Lord’s instrument of salvation that cannot teach error (Matthew 16:18-19, John 16:13, 1 Timothy 3:15), rather than rely on his own fallible judgment

@jackhohne6163 6 месяцев назад

This is not it… please reconsider the Papacy is taught in the first millennium

@johnnyd2383 5 месяцев назад

From a Vatican website. You obviously do not know what your own "church" teaches. 19. Over the centuries, a number of appeals were made to the bishop of Rome, also from the East, in disciplinary matters, such as the deposition of a bishop. An attempt was made at the Synod of Sardica (343) to establish rules for such a procedure.(14) Sardica was received at the Council in Trullo (692).(15) The canons of Sardica determined that a bishop who had been condemned could appeal to the bishop of Rome, and that the latter, if he deemed it appropriate, might order a retrial, to be conducted by the bishops in the province neighbouring the bishop’s own. Appeals regarding disciplinary matters were also made to the see of Constantinople,(16) and to other sees. Such appeals to major sees were always treated in a synodical way. Appeals to the bishop of Rome from the East expressed the communion of the Church, but the BISHOP OF ROME DID NOT EXERCISE CANONICAL AUTHORITY OVER THE CHURCHES OF THE EAST. - Synodality And Primacy During The First Millennium, Chieti, 21 September 2016

@jeremypalmer7177 6 месяцев назад

Welcome home! ☦️

@feeble_stirrings 6 месяцев назад

Glory to God! I’ve been watching and enjoying your content. Looking forward to what the future holds. God bless your journey!

@barrelagedfaith 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much!

@james64987 6 месяцев назад

@DanielAthos 6 месяцев назад

Which rite are you going to follow? Western rite or eastern rite?

@robertboucherjr 6 месяцев назад

USA orthodox

@waseemhermiz7565 6 месяцев назад

Sad and confused you are

@mousakandah5188 6 месяцев назад

the claim that the Orthodox Churches (yes I used plural because their Churches lack unity) is easily refuted when you look at their ecclesiology the apostolic teaching about the Church is that it is a visible one body that one can identify and obey when it teaches yet Orthodox today can't locate the Orthodox Church among the many churches that claim to be orthodox while not being in communion with one another they can't define what schism or nor define what an ecumenical council is

@johnnyd2383 5 месяцев назад

(2 Cor 12,9) “...My strength is made perfect in weakness.”

@slackerjazz 6 месяцев назад

"As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is, with the Chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the Church is built. ...This is the ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails. ...And as for heretics, I have never spared them; on the contrary, I have seen to it in every possible way that the Church's enemies are also my enemies." - St. Jerome "No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church." - St. Augustine

@bottomoftherabbithole 6 месяцев назад

Maybe you're not aware of this, but...the Orthodox Church never stopped claiming to be the Catholic Church.