I like how he seems genuinely oblivious to the fact that he was humiliating Salieri. In his head, he was simply exercising his creative muscles and showing the guy some of his ideas
He realizes the forgery when he walks in the room, chooses not to accuse, and instead finds a way for humorous revenge is what he was doing ... you can see it in the change of his facial expression when he begins to focus on the realization that what he is hearing is plagiarism from an original draft S stole from his girlfriend in the film : ) ... either way a great scene
Since it was composed for him, he could've seen it as much of a welcoming gift as a fancy afternoon tea might've been. Nobody bats an eye at someone adding sugar to tea, so why would a real grown up mind if his gift was enjoyed the only way the recipient knew how?
So you're showing your boss a birdhouse that took you 3 weeks to finish... and your co-worker comes in with an 8-foot inlaid marquetry walnut dining table and set of 6 matching cherry wood St. Anne chairs that he did over the weekend.
Salieri was a good composer and helped Mozart greatly to obtain work, even conducting Mozart pieces. In real life they were colleagues not enemies. But it makes a fun story.
Akane Cortich of course, it useful to note that by all accounts other than in Salieri‘a mind, they were just that. This movie is about Salieri’s delusion about his relationship with Mozart, not the what it was, just what he believed.
slycordinator I never said it was reality. He claimed to have been responsible for Mozart’s death. That is fact. Whether he sincerely believed it I do not know, and as far as I do know, he didn’t do it. But he was institutionalized for claiming he did. I take this movie as fact in the sense that it is a plausible story of A day in the mind of Salieri. How did his delusions formulate? How did they play out in his mind? A rivalry would’ve been part of the delusion. These are questions we can never know because the answers were a complete fabrication and were all in his mind, whether by delusion or intentional deceit. Either way, this story is a dramatization of that delusion, which existed as a matter of fact.
@@abehambino Uh... The delusion here is you thinking that Salieri claimed that he was responsible for Mozart's death and that he was institutionalized for it.
@Franz Liszt The only documented thing I found is that in old age he was hospitalized because of medical conditions and dementia; nothing about this supposed admission. I'd like to see a citation.
Mozart was only 35 years old when he died. Yet he is responsible for creating over 800 compositions. The stuff just flowed out of his head like high water over a dam. To me, the most amazing thing is that he wrote operas too. Operas? 'Don Giovanni' is considered to be one of the greatest operas of all time. The man was incredible.
Rather than "high water over a dam", I think it's closer to describe his creativity as "ULTRA ATOMIC BOMB"~ 800+ compositions / 35 years old, ie. even he started composing at age 0, he'll have to finish 1.8 songs a month, that means his creativity simply EXPLODES right out from his mind every single second, the musics spread all around world, and the "After effect" for people to remember his music lasted eternity~ (While real atomic bomb u could only blow a part of the world and last 30 years for after effect) Actually that's even more powerful than any atomic bomb u could find in the world~ I hope he is still composing in heaven, so that people could enjoy more in their afterlife :')
I loved the film when I first saw it and to me it is still one of the best of all time...the performances were brilliant. And the torment Salieri must have gone through exquisitely portrayed....
The scene where Mozart completely reworks Salieri's little ditty has to be one of my all time favourite scenes from a movie. You just feel for the poor Salieri.
Salieri was the Emperor's court composer - he was like his personal musician. A job that is more politically challenging than musically innovative. His job was to please His Excellency. The ditty he wrote was perfect for the Emperor to spend a few days on, master, feel pleased with himself, then move on to other things. Mozart did not understand this.
Agreed, as I was growing up itbwas always playing in my home but I didnt vegin to fall in love with it until I saw this movie when I was a teen in like 99 or 2000. Classic, great, epic. A movie that never gets old. I suppose that also applys to the music as well
"Amadeus" is a great movie but!...... ......The saddest thing with this movie is that people still believes that Salieri hated Mozart and forgets that the hate and the rivalry is just fiction. ( the Movie is based on a very highly fictionalized play by Peter Shaffer). In real life, Mozart and Salieri were very good friends that respected each other and supported each other´s work. They even composed a cantata for voice and piano together, called Per la ricuperata salute di Ofelia. Salieri also tutored Mozart´s children, he was very well known as a very talented pedagog and one of the most important and sought-after teachers of his generation (and his influence was felt in every aspect of Vienna's musical life). He tutored Ludwig van Beethoven, Franz Liszt, Johann Nepomuk Hummel and Simon Sechter etc etc. And all but the wealthiest of his pupils received their lessons for free as a tribute to the kindness Florian Leopold Gassmann had shown Salieri as a penniless orphan (Gassmann took the young Salieri under his wings, took him to Vienna, where he personally directed and paid for the remainder of his musical education).
Most of us know this story is very unlikely. But the takeaways are that aesthetics always have this magical arresting feel, that when standing near something brilliant we feel immensely small, and that brilliance is transcendent. It just can't be killed.
Honestly, the emperor actually learns quickly. From stumbling the first two times to playing the piece perfectly the third time, if a bit slow. Like, by mundane standards, that is considered a quick study.
Salieri was a great talent and extraordinary teacher to luminaries like Beethoven and Liszt. He’d probably have a good laugh at his portrayal in this film, which ironically, has rescued his music from oblivion and got it back on the radio.
Yeah, if any of them was jealous of another, it would be Mozart of Salieri, who had much more successful career at their time. By all accounts it sounds like Salieri was one of the nicest and most noble of these historical figures - but if we were a jealous man like in the movie, it would be pretty funny to imagine him being surrounded by Mozart, Beethoven, List, Shubert and the like. Seems like he'd go insane much earlier.
There is nothing intelligence hates more than talent. No matter how much you work at something, when true talent walks in the room, you just feel inadequate.
That is seldom true, especially in art. I am a Mensa member and a musician. I am passionate and work my ass off, yet I see teenagers in on the streets of New Orleans that are better musicians than I will ever be. I am a trained actor. I am good. Jennifer Lawrence comes on the scene without a single class and smashes every scene. You can train your voice with the best teachers out there, and a 16 year old American Idol contestant with golden pipes will still be better. What you mean is natural talent, combined with hard work, intelligence and passion can result in greatness, but no matter how much I train my hand in painting, I will still always be color blind. I have studied the Martial Arts for decades, and I have students and friends who are very very good, but there is nothing they can do about that glass jaw in the ring, and no matter how much a person practices, they are still never going to dunk on Michael Jordan if they are only 5'3". Salieri was a man of passion, intelligence and training, but he was not Mozart and never could have been.
ered203 I can see your point but you have to take into account that it has been proven by numerous experts that Mozart either had Asperger's or a mild case of autism. His talent wasn't a gift from God, he simply didn't have a normal functionning brain.
Tom Hulce was so brilliant in this - he showed a complex range of emotions- from vulgarity, depravity to seriousness to sensitivity. I never understood why he did not had a more succesfull career.❤❤❤
I agree. The only other movies I remember him from are "Animal House" and Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame". I can't recall ever seeing anything else with him in it.
@@MrCrowebobby yeah you know what? Teolophilus means Gottlieb in latin but His official full Name was: Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Teolophilus Mozart. So the Teolophilus gets to Gottlieb and the Gottlieb to? Right. Amadeus :D
Salieri is such an interesting character. Smart enough to realize his insufficiencies, not smart enough to overcome them. Blessed by his impecable taste in music, tormented by his inability to recreate it.
@Boodysaspie You pointed out the differences between the real Salieri and the character, in reply to a comment that was about the character per se. It appears that the differences pointed out, were to show that the commenter was fooled by them; but that would have only been so if the comment was about the real person. Since it wasn't, those differences have no bearing on it.
In actuality, this was easy for Mozart. It's amazing to see from the perspective of the common man, but Mozart would INTENTIONALLY leave parts of the score empty so he could improvise every night of the performance. His intuitive improvisation was nothing short of incomprehensible.
Such a great movie. This movie made me first fall in love with classical music - until then, I grinded through weekly piano lessons without much interest. I went from that to wanting to learn everything I could about Mozart and then other composers.
Real words translated from letters he wrote: But first shit in your bed and make it burst, Into your mouth your arse you’ll shove. The man was crazy lmaoooo
I feel "bad" that I was smiling along with Mozart. This little march of welcome becomes such an iconic, delightful, little melody in his later work - Marriage of Figaro, and it makes me smile.
0:00 - 0:30 > Contredanse in F major KV 33b 0:34 - 1:34 > Bubak And Hungaricus (NOT Mozart, unknown composer) 1:41 - 2:34 > Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 3rd mov. Adagio KV 361-370a 2:34 - 3:02 > Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 7th mov. Finale Molto Allegro KV 361-370a 3:30 - 4:39 > Again, Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 3rd mov. Adagio KV 361-370a 4:55 - 8:14 > A Welcome March written by Salieri, a gift for Mozart which he used in his opera: Le Nozze di Figaro (KV 492) Act I, Scene VIII, No.10 - Aria - Non Più Andrai, Farfallone Amoroso.
This scene shows perfectly how people who work hard to achieve just a little bit of success can come to hate those who are talented and don't care about effort.
actually. the movie did show that mozart was constantly writing and composing his work. in fact the movie was depicting how people SAW mozart. As a talent who did not have to work for his masterpieces when the movie itself insisted through those close to him that he's constantly writing and working and he's not at all lazy. I think the movie was depicting the fantasy around mozart through another famous composers eyes. which isn't at all reliable with him being so old. but the movie manages to blend well the actual factual character of mozart (him being a hard worker but as the same time being a lover of dirty humor) and the fantasy like fiction through which the narrator saw him.
@7:29 - That piece was a very simple piece of music. Mozart would have less luck with a complex Bach fugue. In fact, Mozart was struggling to write fugues. Even he even abandoned one incomplete after being unable to develop it, I think.
I recall my third grade teacher telling us that if electric guitars had been around back then, Mozart would have been a rock star. For nearly twenty years that has colored how I perceive both the man and his music.
Watch the Randy Bachman interview on the professor of Rock as he tells how he John Lennon and others used classical music for inspiration. The always considered Mozart to be a rock star, him and Bach.
The script, direction, editing, and acting were all so amazing. It made classical music lovers out of everybody who saw it, and brought depth to these characters.
Yeah it’s the best ,..I play that sometimes just for fun. Some of the movie is not true but a lot of it is.... the pool table is actually true.... an aristocratic toy worth more than the average man’s entire possessions in Vienna at the time.
Imagine having someone as talented as Mozart taking the time to make a variation on a theme you composed and actually having fun doing so. That is high praise, ladies and gentlemen. High praise. The most painful snub would have been for Mozart to refuse to adapt it because it was just uninteresting. I also love the scene where Mozart is asked to satirize Salieri, and he states that that would be 'a challenge.' Think about that. In the film, at least, Salieri's problem is in his own head. Mozart is not mocking him at all. Also, understand that in real life, Mozart and Salieri were good friends.
Jacob Collier is kinda up there as his claim to fame gets bigger. Orchestra, Jazz, Microtonal composition. I think many musicians who are trying to be on par as Collier envy and wish to become equal to prowess we see in his work. But that’s just my two cents.
@Mateo James I don't get it with that guy JC I've watched videos of his concerts it's pretty fun for a person with ADD run from instrument to instrument but it's just how shall one put it "too many notes" well, there it is
This is probably my favorite scene in the movie. The way Salieri describes Mozart's music and his admiration for him, combined with the beautiful music in the background, it's like poetry.
beeman2075 I wish my music teacher could see my reach with my pianomessage music channel today, millions of views and 119,000+ subscribers... he would be so proud 😞he is most likely in heaven now.
The most amazing thing about this is the quality of Mozart's compositions, and his legendary skill at numerous instruments. Here it is highly and enjoyably dramatized - and I love every second. Perhaps there was no feud or rivalry - we can't really know. We have Salieri, a respected musician in his day and to this day, with some number of surviving compositions, and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart who is one of the greatest of all time composers, whose compositions not only survive but are played around the world, every day - I mean come on, MOZART and why WOULDN'T ANY other musician be envious of his incredible genius? The movie is highly enjoyable but unlike the Marvel superheroes, here we have an historical figure whose real output continues to be sublime and relevant hundreds of years after he composed it.
That a story based on a lie (that Salieri poisoned Mozart) be so popular depresses me. If I made a film as defamatory as this about a modern star I would have the pants sued off me. In reality there was some tension between Germanic composers and their Italian colleagues, but also great respect between Mozart and Salieri. The records of the time show Salieri to be more highly favoured than Mozart both as a teacher and at court. Was anyone really envious of Elvis, Dylan, the Beatles, Queen ... ?
one of the best moments in the film is at 2:54- perfectly captures Salieri's shock that this lewd, disgusting man was the brilliant composer he so admired and there is envy yet regretful love for such powerful, enthralling music. This film was a masterpiece.
I think that both F. Murray Abraham and Tom Hulce gave exquisite performances, both worthy of the Oscar that year. In almost any other year, with a performance like that, Hulce would have won.
@@markdonnelly1913 Hulce should have an Oscar for the film but the problem was he was nominated for Best Leading Actor instead of Best Supporting Actor. If he was nominated for Best Supporting Actor he would have easily won it but unfortunately he had to go up against Abraham and he just wasn't gonna win the Oscar over him.
I saw this film in December in Berlin in a beautiful old theatre that had managed to survive World War Two. I was 18 and it was 1984. A wonderful smart beautiful girl I had become friends with named Sophie had to translate the entire picture for me as it was in German. She ended up softly whispering in my ear for two and a half hours. Which was quite nice even though we were being hushed by other patrons. When the film was over and we walked outside the Kino, it began to snow. I fell in love so many times that one night. With Sophie, with Berlin, with Mozart and with my Maker, the Everywhere Spirit. I have been so blessed. Need to remember those moments. God bless you all.
Awww, the only thing I got was a broken heart. I even wrote a song about her. It isn't great but it ells the whole story. All the best. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ClyYgrwb4as.html
Bach mastered music Mozart perfected music Beethoven broke the rules My three favorite composers are all great, none better, none worse. You just can't compare them, they are too different. But they were all geniuses and gifted by God himself.
+Alexander Spencer For someone with such a great last name, I wonder why you doubt God exists. :) Remember: Atheists know enough about God to be hostile towards Him. I used to be in your place, until the day I was questioning ALL of science and ALL beliefs. I said "God - I'll give you a try. You have 30 days to show me something." At the end of those 30 days, no tree fell over when I asked it to; nothing happened in the way of miracles to prove to me He existed. But I noticed over time my eyes were opened to His wisdom, mercy and grace. That God would become man and "dwell here among us" for a while - then die in MY place for my sinful nature is beyond human comprehension. If you, as I did, search for God in human ways, you will fail as well. Trust Christ and see the miracle He can make of your life.
+Foober Dooge Bach and Mozart are wonderful. I listened to all of their music and much of Beethoven and played Mozart and Beethoven as part of a symphony orchestra. But I rate Giovanni Battista Pergolesi higher. Bach, Mozart, and Beethoven may be heaven. But Pergolesi is nature itself. Leo Depuydt
I love that this is an actual Mozart piece, and they deconstructed it into a simpler, awkward Salieri piece. The music direction and creativity in this film was truly unique and amazing.
I had the privilege and high honor of playing my violin in this room. I could hardly stay focused on the music in such splendor. The understated elegance and OLD world. Nothing like it in the United States. It was an opportunity I will cherish if I live to be a hundred.
You don't get around much then . The original 13 colonies WERE THE OLD WORLD . Not to mention the " splendor " you witnessed was for ROYALTY and STATUS QUO . Most ppl lived in conditions that we would consider INHUMANE .
@@kurtkensson2059 Actually no . It's common knowledge to anyone with a decent educational backround . Your swarmy bullshit will not be tolerated along with shitting on the US .
F. Murray Abraham did a BRILLIANT job in this movie. His running commentary throughout this film truly brought it to life. The complicated emotions of the love and simultaneous hatred this man felt gave the story the depth that it had. No wonder he won the Academy Award for that year.
Mozart was just a genius as I think of all classical composers back in that time. Amadeus is one of my favorite movies. Brilliant cast, especially Tom Hultz and F. Murray Abraham!
I have seen Abraham multiple times (including live on stage) and IMHO this was his best performance overall, by a fairly considerable margin. (His nonverbal reactions in this scene are spot on.) To me, that says "director."
I remember leaving the movie theater in 1984 (maybe 85) with my jaw dropped, feeling drained. Speechless. Spent. Astounded. In disbelief. I was a classically trained pianist just out of college working as a waitress. I've been watching it since.
I was 11. I went to see it because it looked scary. I sat absolutely aghast for over two hours. I went home. My dad had a huge record collection. "Dad do you have anything by Mozart?" "Of course son, over there in the classical box." My dad and i sat and listened to Mozart for hours. What a day that was. Changed my music tastes forever.
Salieri had such an appreciation for Mozart’s genius music. It’s sad to me how he really understands the beauty of it and how much he wants to create that same kind of beauty but can’t. I get why he thinks it’s unfair that Mozart was gifted with something he seemingly takes for granted. Mozart just is. He’s not aspiring to anything he just is.
You realize that this movie is fiction right? They were very close friends, and actually composed together on a couple of occasions. There was no jealousy. They had a great deal of respect for each other.
@@IvelLlehctim You realize this comment is about the circumstances presented in the movie, right? Unless you're blind or illiterate, there's no reason to assume lagr7379 thought this portrayal was supposed to be historically accurate. You might as well substitute two random names for "Mozart" and "Salieri," because the film doesn't aim to depict these two historical figures accurately. All you _Amadeus_ critics and disdainful commenters bring up the same stupid, ignorant logic to "refute" the thoughts of people who do not consider historicity a prerequisite for a good film.
For those who don’t know, his variations on Salieri’s piece turn into the aria “Non più andrai,” from The Marriage of Figaro. So he just casually improvises his way into one of the most famous arias from one of his most famous operas.
@@brandall101 Yeah, you right... I think Abraham's character was simply better, while Hulce's Mozart bordered on a caricaturistic depiction of Mozart. Didn't help. After all, despite the movie being called "Amadeus" it was really a movie about "Salieri".
Ce film,j’ai attendue plus d’une année après sa sortie pour aller le voir au cinéma. On en parlait tant avec tellement d’enthousiasme que j’en ai été un peu gavée.Et j’attendais qu’on l’oublie un peu pour l’impression délicieuse et égoïste de le savourer toute seule. Non je n’ai pas été déçu.Il fait partie de mes grands chocs cinématographiques.
Who’s still here loving this music. You’d have to be a musician to really take this all in. I was 14 when I went to the movies with my music group to watch this. It was and is amazing… carved my desire to be in music.
When Mozart composed music, what went onto the sheet was the finished, perfected product. No redos. No alterations. No corrections. It was the finished product... right from his brain to paper. That is talent
This is actually a myth. Lol there are surviving originals written by Mozart himself that have corrections and various notes. Though I don't doubt that he had music in his head that he translated to the page.
@@heshreds4049 its not impossible Ivanchuck a chess genius has every game of chess he ever played stored in his memory with many said variations included so i can believe Mozart could store entire concertos which would not be a fraction of the material ivanchuck has stored
Something vaguely similar to this is that Glenn Gould would read piano sheet music without playing it until he understood it completely. He would then go and play it from memory.
I actually know a friend from my parents who has a son that is 5 years my junior. I started to learn piano by age 12 and he a year later. I never gotten higher than the middle before post-secondary school made me dropped out. At the same time, by high school, HE had already completed all the necessary courses and was on the cusp of a musical DIPLOMA from the Royal Conservatory of music, and well on his way to become a professional music teacher by graduation. Yet, I best remember him for loving food and playing games like any other kid in school. Sometimes, the most musical genius would never look the way you think they do.
Your friend graduating from anywhere doesn't make them "genius". It makes them thoroughly educated. Mozart didn't graduate from anywhere & he is considered one of the top geniuses of all time. You'd have to be very lazy & incompetent not to get a diploma after over a decade of training.
When people say Mozart was a genius, they dont know that he practiced composition on carriages, starting from his childhood. That's what made Mozart one of the top composer in the world that time.
0:00 - 0:30 > Contredanse in F major KV 33b 0:34 - 1:34 > Bubak And Hungaricus (NOT Mozart, unknown composer) 1:41 - 2:34 > Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 3rd mov. Adagio KV 361-370a 2:34 - 3:02 > Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 7th mov. Finale Molto Allegro KV 361-370a 3:30 - 4:39 > Again, Serenade for Winds 'Gran Partita' 3rd mov. Adagio KV 361-370a 4:55 - 8:14 > A Welcome March written by Salieri, a gift for Mozart which he used in his opera: Le Nozze di Figaro (KV 492) Act I, Scene VIII, No.10 - Aria - Non Più Andrai, Farfallone Amoroso.
You forgot 8:14 - 8:16 > The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows.... I believe it came to him in a moment of silence, from the album, Deja Entendu, meaning "done before" aka "this had been done before"
In reality, Mozart was a genius and loves to improvise, but he respected Salieri as his teacher. Both were serious in their music but different path and style. Just as a father and son whom have different ideas and taste in music. Both of them never really have feud nor competion, Salieri even warned young Mozart to be modest on how he spent his fortune. In many cases Salieri was amazed by Mozart and also guided him for many many court music jobs, he helped Mozart getting paid most the time. So this film is partially fictionized.
The director of this movie was well aware that his story wasn’t historically accurate. But that’s the thing, he wasn’t trying to give us a biopic of Mozart. Salieri was the main character, the main character of a story of his own invention. When you look at it like that and forget about how “accurate” it is, then you can appreciate the movie for how wonderful it really was and still is! F. Murray Abraham wholeheartedly deserved his Oscar for the role😉
Only Mozart could turn a simple little piece into a work of genius only sitting down once and playing around with it for a few seconds! Although Mozart was probably never disrespectful to Salieri directly, I could totally see him doing this with a simple little composition at a piano or organ. He was a musical genius after all! Just listen to his Twinkle Twinkle Little Star variations. He turned his simple childish composition into a masterpiece!
Antonio Salieri... Toccata and fuga... (escape 😅) Ever and always... Great movie. Not other words! Milos Forman is simply perfect. Bravo director, for ever and ever! And Tom Hulce in a magnificent "state of grace". 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Mozart apart, this guy playing the emperor role is so magnificent. He is the pure idea one has on what an emperor should behave a look like...a German emperor in any case
