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@@MICHAELBURKE-u1d no, it's amazon for giving them a platform to sell on, and they take their % cut of the sales, they're not only complicit they are partners.
@@MICHAELBURKE-u1dAmazon are responsible for everything they profit from, by making it available for sale. It’s nothing like eBay, though they are trying very hard to be as bad.
A friend bought some 'motorcycle gloves' on Amazon. Utter crap - told him not to use them. Ended up being used as gardening gloves. They lasted 2 weekends of pulling up weeds before they disintegrated. Criminal.
The irony being a cheap pair of 2 quid gardening rigger gloves would probably be more protective than these POS. Would never consider buying bike gear off Amazon, but it is concerning that young new riders on a budget could be buying these things thinking they'll do the job.
unfortunately, i fell for the same amazon scam gloves and yup they became gardening gloves as they weren't even good enough for light mechanical work. i won't use cheap helmet, boots, or gloves!
In the late 90's I "retired" some Frank Thomas leather touring gloves as I had treated myself to some new kit. They became gardening and heavy mechanical gloves along with welding gloves if I couldn't be bothered to find the real ones. These days they're slightly oily and have the odd grass stain but would still be perfectly servicable as bike gloves in a pinch. I usually give my older kit to people around me who buy this cheap junk and they tend to not buy the cheap junk after they have tried the real deal.
Amazon should be legally liable for selling this kind of stuff, problem is this kind of gear will most likely be bought by new riders or people that want to gift something to friend...
Amazon only provides the paltform for companies to sell their stuff. So suing them would be hard. Putting their Amazon Choice label on it tho might be another thing
To be honest I buy from my local motorbike shops just to keep them open (when they’re gone, they’re gone😢) but both of them offer excellent customer service and advice when I’ve gone in looking for kit - Amazon reviews can’t compete.
I’d ask people to consider what living the rest of their lives with shattered hands would be like before buying cheap gloves. I had an accident years ago and my good gloves were probably the reason that I can still use a keyboard today… the armour on the gloves was smashed but my hands were basically ok aside from one dislocated finger
I worked from time to time with an older fella about ten years ago. Always had a sort of tubi wrist support type thing on one arm. It looked very atrophied and he'd usually be holding one arm with the other, sometimes swinging the bad arm up like a pendulum. I thought it was thalidomide or some sort of birth problem at first but one day he caught me.leaving work in bike gear for the first time. He was very interested in whether I was wearing proper gear. Turns out it was a motorcycle accident that did his arm in. I remember his "lovely day for it" clearly. He definitely missed riding.
@@SpringfieldFatts Amazon rely on the fact that no one can afford to sue them for such medical bills - if that was to happen perhaps they might start to care about the knock-off garbage they sell
@@niclasroberts An accident sure focuses the mind on such things. The accident I mentioned was at no more than 20mph but I went up and then down hard onto the road with my right hand taking a good old hit. The knuckle armour was destroyed which could have been my hand which would have been life altering. It stands out like a beacon to me when I now see anyone riding without gloves and these Amazon gloves might as well be riding without gloves for the good they’ll do. If my story convinces 1 person to buy proper gloves then it was worth telling. I’d also add that good gloves last so are cheaper in the long run… I’m still riding into the Alpinestars gloves I got after that accident some 10 years later
Not only for motorcycle gear, also for hiking gear, biking gear, cars, etc. They sell thrash as top selling and safe because it's money, people buy the cheapest stuff ignoring quality
It's about time Amazon took some responsiblity for what is being sold via 'their' marketplace. It's rife with conterfiet goods, some of which are clearly dangerous.
Great work again john, you've totally changed my buying habits over the years. Noticed some shockers at motorcycle live last year, how they get away with it is beyond me.
Thanks so much! It's going to need action from more than a handful of us for it to change, but at least more and more buyers know the difference now. All the best, John
I'm glad there are people like you, calling companies out and bringing their shitty practice to light... have you also contacted UK/EU agencies to have a look at this? Amazon will just try to shift responsibility elsewhere until authority starts asking questions and demanding answers/proofs.
Will be Confit and renamed something else tomorrow. Good work John calling this out, if any recognized bike store sold counterfeit good they would be held accountable. Marketplaces should ensure those selling goods with standards labelled are held to proof of same, the shrug off of a tech giant is not good enough
Good work. Thank you! This is important work. Please carry on. One of my local dealers warned me about fake C E ratings. Unfortunately I found some equipment there that was not even C E labeled at all. At some other dealers I found my German helmet, Polish leather jacket, Italian MC Jeans, one pair of gloves made in the Netherlands and one pair made in France. Honestly my modern kit doesn't compare well to my old kit from 1978, but I gave it away. I would never buy motorcycle gear on Amazon. I only use Amazon when I buy books.
Great content as always John. Amazon seems to sell a lot of utter rubbish products these days from unsafe motorcycle PPE to death trap electrical items with fake CE certification. Interestingly the algorithms seem to push the junk to the top of searches and it can be difficult to even find genuine items if you are able to find them at all. I wonder if this will eventually be the downfall of Amazon as customers will loose confidence. I have!
Great that you’re highlighting this very important issue. Amazon should be at least jointly liable for selling this unsafe gear which is utterly unfit for purpose. Disgraceful.
I don’t use amazon for anything anymore.i left a 2 star review for a memory stick for an iPhone a while back.i then received several emails asking me to remove the review and the would give me a gift voucher it started at £10 eventually ended up at £25..i just ignored them…
As always, proper investigative journalism from the bike social team. It’s sad in this day and age that you have to repeatedly point this out to who is I’m sure, the biggest retailer in the world. The only advice I ever give friends is, buy the best that you can afford. Clearly, as long as it meets minimum safety requirements.
Hi, I used to be a member of BSI Committee for software engineering and, if it helps, I’d be prepared to vouch for your application to the motorcycle safety committee.
I'm not a biker, but good lord I'm glad reviewers like this exist. There are some serious scammers out there, and Amazon has given them a seriously fantastic platform to sell from. Whilst I appreciate their willingness to rectify mistakes with a refund, if I'd been wearing these gloves and needed them ... I'd be struggling to type the "thanks" in the textbox.
I've been waiting for a space on two BSI committees for about 7 years. I am an actual bona fide expert with PhD and Technical Director of a UKAS accredited laboratory. They don't want people who want to make positive change, they want people from big multinationals or Trade/Industry Associations so they can all back-slap each other instead of actually making changes.
there's a reason seasoned bikers wear kit from "known" brands, the problem like you said is new riders who don't know any better and if they crash it may put them off for life...
another problem is that cause of so much crap that sold on Amazon there is barely a choice of good products from trusted resellers ... all those "stores" are some couch business peoples looking for easy income ...
Darwins theory of evolution is alive and thriving on Amazon, £20 for new motorcycle gloves via Amazon is a recipe for disaster. It's obvious Amazon don't care and know they can just chuck money at MPs to let them do what they like. I met you at the ABR Festival, the guy who jumped out of the Roadskin changing rooms after recognising your voice. It was great to meet you, you are as nice in person as you come across on screen. The Roadskin jeans are so comfortable.
I'm not so sure about Darwin. If you're 16 or 17, just passed and are yet to learn any better these might look like a good deal. Only for you to have a minor off and lose half your hand for it. To blokes our age its fairly obvious but kids are easily led and will just buy the top seller not knowing better. Nice to hear the roadskins are good because I've been thinking about them for a while and I just keep seeing people happy with them.
John, you are bloody amazing. This is one reason why I have never, and will never buy anything from Amazon / eBay, you just can't trust them. I have for many years now always bought everything I need from the Sportsbikeshop. As far I'm concerned they are 100% reliable, in the products that they sell. So for me alone, it's a no brained really. The work that you personally do on our behalf is truly commendable. I'm glad I've got my insurance through Bennetts too, plus they were £100 cheaper than loads more insurance company's as well. 👍👍🏍🏍
Anyone paying that price and expecting a good product needs to seriously re-evaluate how they look at the world. Sure, Amazon has some responsibility, but when the price difference between Amazon crap and proven known quality products is that large, that should red flag anyone. Great work on the video!
I work at an airsoft field as the head ref, we have the same issues with airsoft gear sold off on amazon. Maybe 3 masks a week, first time customers bring them in and try to wear them on the field, but since they aren't ANSI Z87+ rated, they aren't actually impact rated (even though they are advertised, on Amazon, as "Airsoft Masks"). I catch them before they get on the field, at first we were testing them by shooting them a few times, but we destroyed so many of them I could just show customers pictures of an identical mask to theirs that had the lens or mouth guard shot out and ask them to return their masks to Amazon and buy something quality that will actually keep their eyes and teeth from being shot out.
Keis glove must recommend. I use mine on my electric unicycle off-road a lot. I have had so many crashes and what not. Only damage is the seams of some of the finger tips. Some super glue and bam, basically damage free.
I wanted to say thank you. You provide an invaluable service to the m/c community. Your knowledge, integrity, and passion for rider safety are evident. Disinformation is everywhere, while you (and Bennets) continue to advocate for motorcycle safety. Bravo!
This is why i subbed to thia channel, well researched, well presented videos that actually try and have honest conversations with the industry at large
" PALM SLIDER " ( Knox protection ) i would look for while buying a new pairs of gloves. CURRENTLY I'm using a PALM SLIDERS one and while i ride my BIKE I feels PROTECTED. For more safety... One should go for FULL GUANLET gloves ( Racer gloves )..Whose covered more parts of our hand's portions or parts. GREAT VIDEO.... Thank you bro for this informative, Safety and useful video. 😊👍🏻
Amazon needs to be sued hardly. A local store selling illegal products would get serious consecuences... While all Amazon gets out of this crime (I can't find a different word to describe what they're doing) is only an open letter and some public shaming. Dont get me wrong, I highly appreciate the effort spent on producing this valuable, high quality video...I've never bought a single productfrom them, let alone PPE, and this convince me that I'm doing fine... but it's frustrating for me as a consumer to see that honest, small businesses have to compete in highly unbalanced conditions against a marketing giant who can violate market regulations without any serious repercussions.
You're doing some great work. I have worked for standards and testing laboratories as a certification engineer and I know making changes is a painstaking, expensive, long and tedious process. As a standards agency you have a big say about changes obviously, but you cannot make changes without industry consensus. Most of the time the key individuals inside are very knowledgable, this should get their attention or it is something that is already known (regarding the glove palm), but making the change will need to be voted on with the key players.
The main reason is that a standards agency is not making any products and is not keeping up with the latest materials and technologies to make these products. As new technologies are found, the standards slowly change and evolve. LEDs really threw all the lighting product standards into a tailspin. Another reason is that some products are inherently unsafe, like a toaster.. it has exposed heating elements and sharp edges that can easily hurt humans in many ways. If we make it completely safe as a standards agency would want, it would be a really expensive and inconvenient piece of equipment that just toasts bread, that no one would buy.
When it comes to safety kit i never buy from amazon. All my gear has been either manufacturer direct (Hood / JTS jeans) or sportsbike shop and well known brands (RST Daytona Oxford Helite). In the safety game you really do get what you pay for. Dont play with your safety and wellbeing 👍. Great video and calling them out.
I’m so glad to see someone, with a voice, flagging this up. I was sent a similar set of gloves, through Amazon’s Vine programme. I always provided honest and objective feedback, which clearly didn’t please the seller, as I was then dropped from the programme (with no real explanation, after many years).
Just subscribed to your channel. I Literally ordered these Cofit gloves 3 minutes before finding this video. I was looking for reviews on the Insta360 after ordering new gloves. And boom this video popped up on the right. I canceled the order immediately. So youve helped at Me out and I appreciate it very much. I will now question all pieces of motorcycle kit before purchasing. THANK YOU! Unfortunately im having a terrible time finding gloves here in the USA that even talk about the CE rating.
Honestly, if the work that went into Thai saves one person's hands, it's been totally worthwhile. Cheers! I've also just put out a video about the Insta360 X4 if you fancy a look. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oPE2HUX16XU.htmlsi=5FGzqDX9Y_67o2s_ All the best, John
Amazon need to make it clear on each listing whether they are acting as a retail seller or a marketplace with a link to what this different means to your rights.
After watching the valuable videos made by Bike Social, I will now not buy online, and a great way to start supporting our local shops, where you can see what your buying, with confidence. Amazon has damaged its reputation hugely in my eyes. it has ignored Bennetts for too long, over a legal and moral obligation. To me, they are no better than the people selling unsafe gear.
Brilliant video! As motorcyclists we should be grateful to all concerned that these types of videos/tests are carried out, clearly we can’t always trust ‘trusted sellers’!
Thank you for all this work! Our governments must start requiring Amazon and other mail order companies to follow the same laws as other resellers and not hide behind some "Oh we are not the ones selling the product, we are only...." excuses.
Hi John, thank you for highlighting this issue and after watching your video I checked a pair of gloves I bought for last summer and guess what they are the gloves you mentioned.... Good job I've only used them once or twice ☹️ think Amazon should recall them and offer customers full refunds!! Disgraceful 😡
Great vid but you did raise a good point. Sometimes you can shop for a great product from a great dealer but it just doesn't fit. I experienced this recently. I bought a fantastic Richa jacket that fits really well but I couldn't find gloves that fitted just right for me. I do currently have a pair of Held ventilated leather gloves so will stick with them till it gets cold then I'll have to go shopping again
I've personally always bought my biking gear from an in-store place not because of safety standards rather because i'm an odd size my arms & body are really long with semi broad shoulders also you can get insane deals for brand name stuff like I picked up a set of black brand gloves for 10 quid because the tag pierced a bit of the cuff too bad i won't be able to ride this season because my insurance is taking the piss with paying out.
Still the best consumer journalism in the moto sphere right here and for free. As I’m not in the UK I can’t buy your insurance and I don’t really have a need for the (very good) deals you provide with the membership. I will however gladly buy you a pint should we ever meet. Thank you John, these things matter.
You are slowly becoming one of the people on my list of ‘if you could have a meal with anyone who would it be?’ I honestly don’t think you can beat going to a proper motorcycle store and speaking with the staff there and making an informed decision. Yes it cost more but when I fell and had my leg pinned under the bike until it came to a stop I can 100% say it was worth every penny. I got up and walked off with some bruising only.
20:35 Kudos to that guy for trying his best to be believable whilst reading from a teleprompter words he did not understand. Holding the coffee cup gave him something to do with his hands. 👍 He was dead inside. 😂
Top marks to you for calling out this poor equipment. Experienced motorcyclists will probably not be fooled but there will be a lot of inexperienced riders who will be and will be putting themselves at risk…
The more shares the link to this video gets, the more riders will get the message. A proposal to set up a web site providing information on the standards, combined with literature sent out by DVLA with all provisional licences, licence renewals and motorcycle V5s, etc., has not progressed since it was last discussed some 18 months ago.
Thank you for doing this on our behalf, it’s so important to have these inferior products removed from the market. Amazon needs to be reined in and held accountable…you shouldn’t be able to profit from selling goods that misrepresent compliance to safety certifications.
It's shocking how Amazon get away with this. I saw an electrical engineer test automotive fuses, none of them failed at the correct rating. Highly dangerous and a fire hazard.
So many retailers where their entire offering is non compliant unfortunately! Bikers Paradise / Bikeweardirect / bikers gear Australia / warrior gears / Lane hunters to name a few...
Excellent video, well done. Another example of why Amazon is a shabby corporate citizen. Selling rogue PPE, dodging taxes, playing a big part in the demise of the high street. Support your local bike store & buy high quality kit, not some cheap knock off rubbish which could cost your skin!
Fitment alone is sufficient cause to be wary bike kit purchased from Amazon, but that's true for any online retailer. I plan to visit a shop in order to try on gear, as well as to check safety certifications.
As an 11 year old I fell off my bicycle at about 30 mph going down a steep hill - my hands, face and upper body were torn shreds, I was a mass of scabs, I had to have gravel pulled out of my hands, it was bloody awful. The first thing you do when falling off a bicycle or motorcycle is put your hands out !!! Great work John 👍🏻
This video is further proof of why I just don't trust Amazon. There is so much fake stuff in every department not just bike gear and I don't understand why people buy any of if it. Great work on the video!
Well done John, good effort here, sharing details on quality and certification etc. As new rider 2 years ago, I did much research including loads of your content as well as others, and bought all my initial gear from a local store, other stuff subsequently from SBS and other less local bike shops, always looking for quality v cost. I’m pretty sure as a newer rider, I would struggle to buy this kind of thing from Amazon or elsewhere, without first trying stuff on. Keep up your great work, it is appreciated!
Excellent video as usual. I do buy some of my riding gear from Amazon but it is always a reputable brands and never from a name I do not know. The worrying thing about all of this is the majority of purchasers likely trust Amazon to do their due diligence for them and believe the gear they are buying is fit for purpose. Never assume with riding gear, always research. 👍
Dear Doctor, you said it right, that is why I don't return to Amazon for a very long time, because you dear Doctor and Jeffy-baby doesn't give a sh.. apart from the money. Amazon for many years now became the next platform of questionable items. Temu, Ali express, Wish, Amazon, they're all the same. When I hear someone around me starts riding, I jump eagerly to offer them help to find the safest gear they can get for their allocated budget. Yes, it costs me my own time, but it can potentially save that person some pain down the road - no pun intended. I point them towards educational videos like this, and reputable shops. They tell me what they want, I help them filter it down. Thank you John, and keep doing these videos. You won't stop those products being available on the market unfortunately while there is enough people buying them. But you will educate more and more people about how to make a better choice.
A great piece of investigative work on behalf of us punters. Perhaps just as concerning as Cofit's flagrant disregard for the safety regulations and Amazon's apparent "blind eye" policy, is the flaw in CE testing methods for the palm area.
It defies belief that anyone would buy motorcycle safety gear from Amazon in the first place let alone thinking any safety markings or ratings are actually genuine.
Another great video with vitally important consumer advice, well done and thank you 👍🏻 I'm sorry but buying any safety equipment off Amazon is crazy in my opinion. In my experience (granted fairly limited) of buying off Amazon there are an absolutely amazing amount of "fraudulent" items for sale and again in my experience Amazon really don't care! If you want decent kit go to a reputable dealer, there are plenty online that deliver quickly and are competitive in their prices for GENUINE safety kit. But the age old thing of wanting a "proper" bargain (Aka greed) gets the better of some people and benefits those claiming to be sellers of safety kit!
Well said John. I am forwarding this to a few motorcycling friends. Not that hey would buy such garbage. But you never know. Am checking all my gloves & will look at Goldtop. Have you considered running for PM?
Had a serious accident 2021 thankfully I had top grade armour on , but I still broke some bones, but no cuts or abrasions anywhere. Thank you, Knox. Also, Ari.
I regularly ride in shorts and t shirt. Not faster rides or on highway but certainly around town and ONLY because 35-45degC isn’t fun or even practical in leathers. Overheating is the main issue . But I always wear a top shelf lid gloves and boots. ALWAYS. Ps I don’t condone riding with little to no protection. I’ve had a big motorway accident in 2005 near shap summit when I was caught in a storm at new year. Blown off road but was wearing full race suit and Sidi vertebrae race boots which saved my ankle and leg. Boots were trashed. A testament to top quality protective clothing.
Amazon is a hellhole for shopping and it is just fitting that they are in utter violation of consumer protection and safety regulations. Seen these gloves before, girlfriend bought these some time ago and I told her my concerns with my gloves next to them. She left them on a window counter never wearing them and UV from the window was enough to kill the pair in a couple month. Never seen such with good riding gloves, mine all dry in the sun.
Without stating the obvious, I guess the key thing to draw from this sort of experience it to be a bit more "Savvy" when buying proper safety equipment. Thanks for exposing this sort of thing. To be fair, anyone who doesn't use a recognised Motorcycle Accessories Retailer is likely to miss out on the safest equipment. Let's be honest, who would by motorcycle gloves from a bookseller anyway?
Bravo!! Great video. Thank you for providing such informative detail on your tested products, suggesting solutions and passing on the findings to trading standards. We (bikers) appreciate your work and level of detail.
OMG That is shocking. Really really worrying. Amazon should know better, support you, and remove these gloves from their site. Who checks that gear really does comply ? If there is no one checking then the cert levels mean nothing. Many thanks for this information.
The point is though that Amazon do NOT need to listen because they are getting away with it. No-one is even censuring them let alone prosecuting them, let alone issuing them with the kind of enormous penalties that would ensure they address the problem.
love the look of the watch you have on. I wouldn't buy gloves from anywhere but a motorcycle shop like sportsbikeshop or others. My hands are my livelihood.
@@bennettsbikesocial I did. My brother and I had a good laugh at the quality and sent them back. I left a 1 star review and a comment dissuading people from buying them as well.
I've bought these gloves for when I'm out on my MX/ Enduro bikes. Reason being that when I come off, they do offer reasonable protection, but for £15 I replace them after every off, as they're knackered. You could argue to buy more expensive MX gloves, but even them would need to be replaced after an off as I wouldn't want to risk them again. I also have 2 road bikes and wouldn't dream of using them for that, hence why my £200 gloves get put on. If they were sold for what they're - instead of what they're portrait then it wouldn't be a problem.
I had the same experience with Amazon and some handlebar grips with "bar ends" that looked AMAZING online, color matched my bike and even had my bikes name on them. $40. I just thought i was getting a great deal. What i got was indeed color matched with my bike, but everything about them, including the "bar ends" where cheap grocery store toy lane plastic. The bar ends were hollow pieces of flabby plastic. A bargain at $1.99, not $40, and totally not safe.
Gloves are a must and must be fit for use. These Amazon gloves wouldn’t protect you from falling over while walking. First thing that hits the floor usually is your hands and I’ve broken my scaphoid more times than I care to remember, so I spend a lot of time searching for gloves. I’ve also lost all the skin on both my palms from a pushbike accident when younger so I know the pain
