I've been on the fence about whether to get a Wavestate for a while. Now that the Modwave (which I believe is based on the DW8000?) has been announced, do you think the Modwave would be more versatile when it comes to pads and drones, or would you choose the Wavestate still? I guess with the Wavestate the SE is coming, which I think is a bit ugly because ll the control layout is the same and pushed into the middle, but on a keyboard stand that would provide space for FX pedals usw./etc.
@@lineriderrulz Wavestate is incredibly lush with the right hands and layering, it's just a sampling-based subtractive way of designing your sounds layer by layer, but remember it's also sequencing based so you can get the most out of it once you understand the presets, sample library, and programming, so it can be a difficult workflow/or learning curve. I agree that creating your own soundwaves would perhaps equal more versatility (it would be an awesome compliment to Wavestate, too), but I was also indecisive about the ModWave. Tbh I found that I'd rather pay a little more for a HydraSynth Keyboard since it's wavetable-like and also supports its own brand of FM, & also includes aftertouch, so it's like you're getting 2-in-1 with full features. I guess it depends on what synthesis style you're comfortable to spend your hours on.
@@PrimitiveBaroque Hey, thanks for your reply. Eventually I decided on the Hydrasynth Keyboard because your comment pushed me decision in favour of it :) It's fantastic! Really versatile and I think it would be possible to get many different sounds out of it, including pads which is what I love. I noticed when using LFOs to morph the WaveList that it doesn't seem to use the full range. Even when LFO waveform is triangle and depth in the Mod Matrix is 100% it seems to stay too long at each side. Did you ever experience this? It's a shame that it's only 1 part/monotimbral and 8 voices but only because I love it so much! I saw some complaints about aliasing but never noticed it, to me it sounds better than a lot of cheap VAs. I noticed you are a tracker software user? ;) good to find another, Ableton seems so popular these days, hardly see any tracker users now... (not that anything is wrong about that)
@@lineriderrulz I personally wish I have the module version too lol. When I start working with it, I feel like another Hydra would be nice. But I really love it too. It's my most premium piece of gear. About your issue: (1) Are you sure it's updated to the most recent version? If so, (2) I'm not sure if the LFOs stay too long, but I did notice the LFO while wavescanning I feel like it stays too long on the first wave, the start after the first cycle, if you set WaveScan to 1 (edit: not 0) in OSC1 and the LFO & Mod to 128. You have to set the Wavescan to 4.0 (half value of eight possible waves in list) to get the whole LFO to run and both ends should play equally. What happens is the LFO starts at the lowest possible wave in the list, in our case Triangle, with wavescan in OSC1 to 1.0, so it won't go any lower or negative than that, so the LFO seemingly gets stuck at that value. To make the LFO go negative you'll have to start the LFO wavescan at base half of eight possible waves by setting 4.0 under OSC 1/Wavescan, and set the Phase to 180-200 degrees in the LFO, that way it'll start at Triangle and get the right timing. There's also a smoothen option in page 2 in the LFO. But if it still sounds like both ends seem to just stay too long too, I'm hearing it too, and it does feel like it could go smoother, but it doesn't really bother me. I hope that's what you're referring to. And yes! I do use tracker software, Renoise. I'm really just using it as a midi sequencer for phrases and such. I try to avoid using too many samples and focus on getting the most out of my synths (I have about 5 hooked up). I just route everything to the Mixer, and have an external audio recorder to get the tracks. I'm on Linux so Renoise was a natural option for me. The other sequencers are nice too, but I like the hotkey workflow of trackers. Edit: I meant wavescan to 1 in OSC1, not zero
Wavestate is a brilliant machine for creating generative ambient patches/performances. What’s so cool about the wavestate is the ability to phase loop elements other than just pitch and instrumentation. For example shape, time duration and speed, and modulation can all have different looping patterns. One could easily do a performance just with the wavestate.
Thank you for creating this tutorial. I find it very useful and inspirational to try these techniques with other synths and see what comes out. For example load more percussive sounds in Digitakt and play with envelopes on the Digitone. They are completely different but some of these examples were insightful. Thank you! I think it's great if more artists like you explain the techniques on the abstract instead of advertising certain gear. Keep it up!
I have received my iridium. This tuto is awesome for me: starting creating patch from nothing is very interesting! I expect another tuto like this one in the future ! Thanks a lot from France.
Super, das ist mal genau das was ich suche, ein einfach erklärtes Sound Design Tutorial . Auf den Punkt gebracht.vielen Dank für Die Arbeit und dein geteiltes Wissen.👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for this, Martin! Very interesting on sound design, especially for the Iridium- I don’t have the Wavestate, but it does look very cool. Hope you continue to make these instructional videos!
Thanks for this, just recreated it on my Iridium, new to synthesis, but finding the Iridium easy to work with, despite some UX idiosyncrasies. Nice to stumble across a RU-vidr whose music I'd enjoyed previously.
Thanks for sharing this - really helpful! I pretty much understood granular synthesis but had never used it much - you really brought it to life - I can apply everything I learnt here to my own kit. Please do more of these if you have the time.
16:12 Dimmu Borgir, right? :) Thank you for the lovely and inspiring tutorial - I just got my Wavestate and looking forward to digging into this vast sound design machine!!
Yesssssss tutorials finally I hope you've been really wanting to learn how to create all this stuff and not spend the next two years of my life practicing all the wrong techniques you know what I mean?
Hey Martin! Great stuff! I'm contemplating getting the Korg Wavestate as well. I'm hearing mixed things about the build quality but the sounds speak for themselves;) I had a Native Instruments S61 Mk2 just suddenly die on me the other day for no apparent reason whatsoever! I'm done with NI. It was a nice keybed, but very cheap build. I'm hoping to be able to make good use of it;) Thanks
My best guess would be to try the Native version released by Korg as VST. Sounds exactly like the hardware. The keyboard is super cheap and has no good feel to it. Rest ot the synth is ok.
@@MartinStuertzer Dangit, Korg! I had really hoped it would be of good quality:( I've had my eyes on the Roland Gaia 2 also.... idk... I'll have to think it over real good. I could try and save up to buy the Wavestate SE. I hear that's a good piece of kit.
Thank you. Another excellent video. Very creative and inspirational, especially the use of so many layers. Anything in future about how you create your dub techno chords/textures would be great :-)
Das Iridium-Manual kratzt leider nur an der Oberfläche. Videos wie dieses hier helfen da sehr viel weiter. Um so weit in die Tiefe zu kommen wie du braucht es halt sehr viel Zeit. Vielen Dank!
Ich habe jetzt auch einen Iridium und habe den Patch hier nachgebaut - besser als jedes Handbuch. Vermutlich habe ich in einer Stunde mehr über das Gerät und seine Bedienung gelernt, als wenn ich einen ganzen Tag lang das Handbuch studieren würde.
@@MartinStuertzer Ich mag ja die sehr ausführlichen "Getting Started"-Guides von Native Instruments, die sind vorbildlich. Wenn man da durch ist, hat man einen sehr guten Überblick über das jeweilige Gerät, ab da kann man alleine loslegen und unklare Details mit dem Referenzhandbuch klären. Das vermisse ich beim Iridium etwas, da kam mir dieses Video gerade recht. Der "Schnellstart" dort ist schon arg kurz geraten.
I would personally consider this like 2 vids in one, so you can watch them in full, no skip in your own time, but no worries I love it like this either
@@MartinStuertzer I got the WaveState Just a few days ago and it has a big sonic potential but it's just not as intuitive as my Elektron gear! Super helpful to get your take; not that many vids on sound design. I would love to see a video on Minimal / ambient techno and drums!
Hey Martin, ein sehr anschauliches Tutorial, welches mich vor allem den Mod - Modus besser verstehen lässt. Eine Frage hätte ich jedoch: wie hast Du den Supermassive FX hinzugefügt? Von Ableton aus?
Wow!! Just purchased the Iridium and Wavestate. Awesome video!! What a powerful sound you get out of these instruments!! Low end sounds like some of my vintage synths! No sound coming from the Rev2 engine just MIDI to the Iridium? Cheers!!
@@MartinStuertzer Yes you should! Lots of good knowledge in your videos! I've been following you for a while. Love the OB sounds you're getting from the Iridium. Thought it was a mistake not buying the Quantum but seems the digi filters are just as nice sounding. Cheers!! :)
This will ge a great challenge to recreate both sounds on just the Wavestate which i think i can do with splits and using a "granular" method on the wavestate using the timing lane, etc 😊. I might just end up with something entirely cool, unexp cted and different in my attempt.
Do you think one is better buying iridium as a first synth and really learn it, or buy something like a system 8, which is significantly cheaper, and use the rest of the money later to add more synths.
Hallo Martin, wie ist der Korg Wavestate? Ungefähr vergleichbar mit dem Access vom Klang her? Mich schreckt es ein wenig ab, dass er viele Untermenüs und dafür ein zu kleines Display hat.
@Martin This is a phenomenal tutorial. Is there a software synth you could recommend that has a lot of the features of the Iridium? I do have the Wavestate and Roland Jupitor XM
Are you serious about the sawtooth patch that in unison it’s still 16 voices and just the 1 voice sound is masterful. Now I have to look to see if any of my software synths can do this I am doubting it.
Hi Martin! Thank you for your videos. I'm enjoying them all :) I have a question: can you program the Iridium in such a way for it to have a rhythmic function in a song?
@@MartinStuertzer thank you. I live in Estonia, Tallinn really couldn't decide, what exactly the mighty synth to buy. I really wanted analog four mk2, but then I saw Dave Smith rev2... It's so... Hard. So much pretty machines on the Planet 😍🌏
Martin! I'm unsure if you're making my life easier or more difficult. I've been saving for an Iridium, but recently the Wavestate has piqued my interest. Going with the Wavestate would not completely drain my account, and there'd be money leftover for other funsies. So maybe it's Wavestate and Matriarch this year, Iridium next year.
Hi Martin, your music/videos/tutorials are really brilliant. I learned a lot of it. My question about this tutorial : why do you use the Valhalla Supermassive FX? Are the effects on the Iridium not good enough?
Excellent video. I am a little confused as to if the Iridium can emulate the Wavestate. Can wave tables be designed to mimic a wave sequence. Would love to see an in-depth video on this.
Very nice! I wonder if the Wavestate would be able to perform a comparable quality of delay+reverb on its own (the effect you added at the end of video).
The wavestate is more than capable of performing by itself because its effects are the typical Korg effects than you will find on the most expensive synths, workstations like Kronos, not only they are top quality but also a wide variety of them, including many distortion effects like ring modulator which means the effect section on the wavestate goes far beyond the typical audio effect and actually allow you to perform advanced audio synthesis techniques. Even more so because of the advanced wave sequencing technology is that makes it capable of changing samples or modulating a sample down to a fraction of a fraction of a second which turn the synth to a massive audio effect unit by itself that you will rarely find on other hardware or software synths with the exception of completely software module environments like Reaktor and MAX. It is hands down The Synth for ambient music.
@@kilonaliosI Can we agree that this falls into the realms of personal taste? You made a good point that the effects within the Wavestate can be automated and modulated within the patches. But still I prefer the sound of a Valhalla DSP Delay or Reverb over the on board FX.
your cat is definetly enjoying your music :) As a new owner of a wavestate I´m looking for ambient sounds and i'm grateful for your programming tips. It has great potential for these kinds of dsounds, but in the future i have to explore the wavetable synthesis, the Iridium offers. It sounds very promising an inspirational. Despite that, Do you have any recommendations concerning drum machines combined with the wavestate?
THank you! I must confess that I do drums mostly with Ableton these days. But from the hardware side the Analog Rytm is still my favourite. The mk1 is good too if you want to avoid the pricy mk2.
Like I tried to point out: there are a lot of other methods to get a similar result. For me Alchemy would be more expensive because I would need to buy a Mac and Logic first. ;) But I like Pigments from Arturia and also Omnisphere. In the end the creativity and ideas are the limits, not the gear.
Same to me, This week i saw a korg live event and they told me you can make up to 30.000 modulations in 1 Performance. Imagine that. 1 Parameter knob can alone make 31 mods at the same time..... this can be very intresting for Sound design.