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Excellent news. I hope AMD get more motherboard vendors online quickly, I'm NOT going with ASUS anymore ... had way too many issues with their motherboards from USB ports not work, to 2 out of 4 memory slots not working, to board displays actually blocking some GPUs in slot 1. Hoping MSI come up with lots of AMD support.
It's partly for investors but also partly for OEMs who will want to focus on shilling Copilot+ branded PCs that will need good NPUs to use the branding. The CPU based AI stuff is particularly useless for a gaming audience because even if you do want to run anything AI related your GPU is going to completely smoke anything a small NPU can do
@@DrakkarCalethiel True that! AMD knows that the end user wants, they do it. Intel for some demonic reasons beyond my humble comprehension still insist on changing the sockets, just their current 12th to 14th gen run needs to be reviewed, I don't know but at this point, I am enjoying my personal AMD run - B650E + 7800X3D - and knowing that these sockets - AM4 and AM5 - will get this kind of treatment makes me so happy, I might be able to snag a CPU later on 2027 or so lol.
I was looking into upgrading my CPU to an AM5 motherboard for my 6800xt. Well I don't think I can anymore so I can run my 6800xt GPU with my 5800xt CPU solely because it's a funny name combination.
AMD knows supporting AM4 is great for their reputation. I don't expect they'll support it much longer, but at this point it's reached GOAT status in my book.
Cynically, this is their opportunity to re-price better manufactured, good bins of a mature tech node. Or these are the bins of the high-end dual die consumer line-up (5900X, 5950X). Either way, the acknowledgement of AM4 as a platform is good.
AMD had to manufacture a lot of Zen 3 CCDs for their EPYC customers. This is just AMD getting rid of excess dies. AMD has to find creative ways to get people to buy Zen 3 because Zen 4 has gotten cheaper and Zen 5 will be pushing prices down further. Intel doesn’t have the opportunity to do this because their Xeons use different dies.
@@dex6316 True, but they also have a unique advantage, right now, that I have never seen before. DDR4 is still popular, as people upgrade older hardware. Companies are actually out there recycling old RAM ICs to put on their "new" DIMMs, keeping the supply high, and prices much lower than DDR5, even today (also, for many users, USB, PCIe, GbE/Wifi6, almost any new SSD, and almost any 4C8T+ CPU, are fast enough for their needs).
It's just a shame Intel still has more marketshare due to it's grip on OEMs. Most regular people are going to be stuck with Intel. Heck Dell to this day still doesn't offer an AMD option in their high-end laptop products.
Aye. I've built a couple rigs for myself with used mobos, and used laptop/SFF CPUs from eBay. On ASRock boards, PCI-e pass-through and ECC both work well. Paid a mint for ECC UDIMMs, but still on the cheap side, overall. Plus, they're cheap to run (~30W idle, including LSI HBA and used enterprise HDDs).
As an AM5 user, I'm happy to see "2027+", whatever that eventually pans out to be. With AM4 continuing to be relevant and get new processors, I'm fairly confident in AMD's commitment to platform longevity.
@@TheMessiah1337also not to mention that ddr6 won’t get actually be supported for another couple years afterwards for gaming hardware. Ddr5 release 2020 but first gen ddr5 cpus only were available in 2023 right?
smtms theyre good smtms i better not listening, earbud just plain bad i havent listened in a week or so its being developed from very scratch so its progressing, but still unpleasant
I find it difficult to watch these announcements live now that the AI craze is in full swing. There's like 95% blabber about AI and how it's the future and 5% actually useful information and new announcements. Thank you for making this summary!!
@@mutosanrc1933 I'm really concerned about companies using it to pry into our lives more like the recall feature coming to windows, Immediately we should have the option to opt out of things 😞
@mutosanrc1933 its just a part of the chip custom built to do matrix multiplications really fast (kinda like Tensor cores for RTX cards or MMX engine for Arc cards), what it is used for is entirely up to microsoft, adobe or other software
@@mutosanrc1933there's no "AI" in hardware(neither in software in general sci-fi sense). What they mean is it has specialized processing units for AI load. Your CPU or GPU can do the same load, but less efficiently. E.g. CPUs are slow, GPUs have high TDP on AI/ML load.
@@Qmohd1 They usually come later. X3D chips don't release with the newest gens right away. If I had to guess they'll come out after the new Intel chips as a direct response.
I don't, I don't have top-end gaming GPU so I couldn't care less about gaming performance. I need 12 fast cores. 9900X or non-X version is what I'm eyeing.
@@manoftherainshorts9075depends on what the internal GPU is as it could be a nice backup in case GPU has a whoopsie.. plus you can select which GPU you want to run which application you want so save the better GPU for harder processing like gaming and VLC with APU.
My buddy literally just built a 7800X3D moment. At least the CPUs will be released down the line and the 7800X3D is anything far beyond his dreams, but still...
Skylake was the codename for a specific generation of processors. It wasn't supported much longer than any other generation. In fact, it was arguably supported for a shorter time if you consider that Microsoft only supports Kaby Lake and up for Windows 11. Do you mean the 14nm manufacturing process?
my R5 3600 is still playing all games very comfortably, so i'll probably not upgrade until it breaks, but it's great that they're still releasing new AM4 chips and not just abandoning it to cause more E-waste
Excited to see how well it performs against Ryzen 7000 series and Arrow Lake CPUs. 9950X3D should come out roughly around the same time as Intel 15th Gen so it'll be nice to see who comes out on top.
@@sjsk31312-14th gen support on Intel isn't as massive as you think. 13th was a minor refresh of 12th and 14th is the 13th gen with +200mhz boost clock.
If it’s anything like last generation then it will come later, hopefully they figure out the thermals with it so it has no downsides compared to the base models.
Something I like about AMD compared to other competitors is that their pricing has basically always remained consistent and fair. The 7000 series wasn't great specifically because it forced you to use ddr5 even with only a minor 1% increase in performance in SOME games, but other than that it's been great. 7900 XTX price is great for the performance. As a long time user, I've come to fall in love with this GPU for affordability, and now with the new drivers, better efficiency. Making the mid and low range even more accessible is something AMD has always been king about, especially in the CPU department. Not only are their old GPU's getting heaps of more performance with their wine aged drivers (5700 XT 6700 XT 6800 XT) but their prices are consistently dropping nowadays, and their new cpu's being even more powerful and equally if not more affordable than the current last gen cpu's available. Intel has never done this in the modern day, and Nvidia GPU prices continue to rise. In an age where computers are becoming more expensive and less friendly to consumers in pricing, AMD has been, and probably will always be the company who delivers to those who can't afford premium. This is what I love about AMD.
Thanks for the coverage of Computex 2024. I remember working in Taiwan in the late 80's, early 90's and attending a Computex. For a computer nerd like me, it was like going to a computer tech Disneyland. I had such a great time going through the show and seeing all kinds of cool stuff we'd never see in the US. Hopefully the air quality in Taipei is better now than it was back then. When I was there, Taipei was shrouded in what looked like heavy fog, except it wasn't fog. At least not of the water based type fog.
I'm really curious about the 880M and 890M iGPUs in the AI/mobile processors compared to the old 780M. I think Mini-PCs with mobile processors are the future of affordable gaming.
Only people who care about real features like headphone jack and SD Card slot buy those great flagships, also Sony Smartphones have the best near Stock OS compared to Samsung. I'm also a happy 1 IV owner.
Unlikely, the X3D chip itself is 3D because it's placed on top of the CPU core die. As a result it limits heat transfer from the CPU cores themselves. As a result X3D chips have lower clock speeds to limit heat output.
@@aminy23 IT IS NOT ON TOP THE CORES FFS it's all over the L3 cache it literately has vertical bumps for connecting it right over the L3 cache there are No Cores near the L3cache at all & that's it where do you people get your information?
What I like about AMD, and that is pretty stark IMO, they keep their word about the generations, a lot of people thought that AM4 was going to vanish not long after their keynote. And look, AM4 is still under us. For now, AM5 is compatible with their new CPUs, this gives consumers a trustworthy feeling. Be aware that upgrading a CPU without to change a motherboard is also a cost saving. Money you can spend on a better GPU or other parts. I hope they keep all their products kinda transparent.
I would like to thank the GN crew. You're the only channel that just gives the straight news. I've seen multiple RU-vid channels already trashing AMD based on the rumors not matching what AMD released. Its basic insanity.
AM4 is king. Most people are still happy with their AM4 platform. Nobody truly needed more than AM4. Anything new provided by AM5 should have been covered by their HEDT platform.
9:09 - The most important metric on these graphs is at the bottom where it says "up to", which doesn't mean much. I expect average performance gain to be much lower over a long duration test. On paper, these look to be a bit lackluster, but we'll see what the review show.
Haven't seen ? What about Ryzen non "X" 65W TDP - 7600, 7700, 7900 - in games they perform exactly the same way, as the X models and 7700 and 7900 both works perfectly even whit the box (prism) cooler.
I am so glad I built a top of the line X570 system, I have been holding off on upgrading my 3800X to a 5800X3D for some time, with these new sku's I would expect another price drop on the 5800X3D to about $275 which would be PERFECT for another 3-4 years of use on top of the 4 years I have already gotten out of it.
Hahaha, we have the exact same chip (3800X) and mobo (X570), plus a 5700XT gpu --- And it still rocks, and can deal ith everything I throw at it. I have NO plan to upgrade, until AM4 becomes obsolete, or if it behaves like a snail, or it breaks.
@@reynold.lariza I am rocking a 6900XT Nitro+ SE, my system plays any game I want, its just with a 5800X3D it will push everything at maximum and hold 120 fps in the vast majority, its incredible how efficient the system is.
Many B550 boards are upgraded X570 boards. It's a bit awkward to call one or the other top of the line as a result. For example I chose the B550-XE STRIX so I could have support for up to 5x PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs, Thunderbolt/USB 4, WiFi 6, and an Intel 2.5 Gigabit LAN. The Ethernet/WiFI eventually trickled down to a couple of newer X570 boards. The B550-XE STRIX is an updated X570 B550-E STRIX with the same VRM as the X570 Crosshair Dark Hero. X570S is the Second-Gen X570 which is now the top of the line as they've been further updated.
@@Spartan536 Which is consistent with my comment. The ROG Crosshair VII Hero has dual network controllers with a Realtek 2.5 Gigabit LAN and Intel 1 Gigabit. This is a compromise choice of Intel quality OR 2.5 Gigabits speed, but not both. There's also no onboard Wi-Fi. With B550 boards like the B550-F, B550-E, and B550-XE you can have dual network controllers with all the above simultaneously. You get Intel WiFi 6 and Intel 2.5 Gigabit. Later II versions of the board downgraded it to MediaTek WiFi. Your board does not and cannot be upgraded to support Thunderbolt or USB 4. With the B550-XE STRIX I get support for up to 5x PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSDs as it includes a riser, as well as a 6th at PCIe 3.0. You get support for 3 PCIe 3.0 M.2s. A big part of this was that X570 was rushed to market in 2019 to launch with Ryzen 3000. As a result it was expensive and produced lots of heat requiring a chipset fan. B550 was delayed and came out 2020. As a result many motherboard manufacturers took X570 boards designs and updated them to use B550 along with other 2020 updates like WiFi 6, Intel 2.5 Gigabit LAN, Thunderbolt/USB 4 headers, etc. X570 was supposed to be better, but newer is also better. A motherboard is much like a car where many of the same components are shared, but others are swapped out to make variants. A car could have cloth seats or leather, V6 or V8, cheap radio or premium sound, different colors, etc - but the same basic structure. The Crosshair VIII Hero is known for having a good VRM with 16 stages that are each 60 Amps. The Dark Hero upgraded it to 16 x 90 Amps which the B550-XE inherited.
I love the long term socket support of AMD, it ment that I was able to upgrade to a 5700X recently without having to upgrade my motherboard or my ram, a less than 200usd upgrade that was immediately noticable in tasks like unpacking zip files etc
170TDP is INSANEEEE, I'm glad I waited, I almost built a 14900K system, I'll wait for the review by GN to make my final decision but yea, AMD is looking great rn
I hope AM5 ends up lasting as long as AM4 does... platform longevity is a massive reason why I picked a 3600x and went through the trouble of motherboard swaps, cloning my drives, dealing with bluescreens from the old drivers by having my old board on hand to wipe the bad drivers before putting the drives into the new system, dealing with bitlocker randomly showing up even though I've never set it up in the first place because windows has this weird flag that goes off when you change certain hardware, getting rid of bitlocker and the stupid lock icon after several hours of searching old forum posts and messing with user policies, and dealing with a 280x gpu that died along the way. Hopefully my next motherboard swap is alot more painless.
@@kevinerbs2778 I'm aware. My reply doesn't have to be so specific that it only names AMD. Both Nvidia and AMD didn't announce consumer GPUs. Do i need to dissect that for you?
@@Mr.Genesis at this point they dont care about the gaming segment , they all going for the overhyped ai . whats the next hype word ? if you use chatgpt4 you can see its getting shit for a will. the future they want is still far away . the amount of money wasted on ai to find a solution for a problem we still dont have .
Graphics card makers are more than happy to sell GPU compute in bulk to companies who think they need massive machine learning rigs. Those companies make a lot more money for NVidia and even AMD to an extent, than consumer gamer's graphics card ever would.
Man, the camera positioning and lighting, the whole setting was so good, for the longest time I couldn't tell if it's a greenscreen or not, until you said "the sun is going down"
My son and I watched the Keynote on our media rig that's connected to a bigscreen TV. He was pumping his fist when he saw the 9950x, and he's going to buy one when it comes out.
@@Paultimate7 this was the case looking at the 5800x3d to 7800x due to a big bump in frequency and a decent IPC and memory gains and now it will be just a refresh. I just hope due to the lower TDP 9800x3d will clock 200mhz+ higher compared to previous gen
It's the rainy season in northern Taiwan right now. That being said if they go south to gaoxiong or Kenting they will have lots of sunshine and beautiful beaches to visit.
@@mangojpegPluviophile: noun. *_a person who enjoys rain and rainy days, and who is fascinated by the sights, sounds, etc., of rain_* Therefore, go fk yourself thinking you’re some objective authority to tell people what they are or aren’t on the internet 😂
10:44 I've seen VRM modules like these made by Monolithic Power Systems(though they didn't call them that)- Don't know if they're the same ones or another company's- But apparently they combine the mosfets, capacitors and inductors into one module, at least optionally in an LGA-72 socket. If something like this is brought over to consumer motherboards it could make them more customizable and repairable. EDIT: They are not socketable, only soldered. Didn't know there were LGA modules that get soldered.
You have been stuck at >340$ 8-cores since 2017. The motherboards cost more than intel HEDT boards did back then aswell. You aren't that much better off mate
Don't worry, AMD has already begun to think the way Intel thought. This is obviously the first time CPU TDP has actually decreased gen to gen but ramped up frequency, cache and added accelerators: AMD is just that good.
They switched places. AMD Used to be cheap CPUs with more cores but lacked the single thread performance to really excel in gaming like Intel did. Once AMD ditched their Global Foundries and switched to TSMC for Ryzen 3000 - then they improved drastically and ended up with premium chips. X3D gave them the gaming advantage as well. Intel now makes cheaper CPUs and often have a workstation advantage which AMD CPUs with more cores used to have. A 12 core 12700KF and a 6 core Ryzen 7600 are both about the same price currently for example. Now Intel has 24 core CPUs which can peak at 6.2 Ghz. AMD is holding us back with $300 6 core CPUs. Now AMD is probably going to have to think twice about whether to price the 7600X at $299 or $200-$250.
Good to see them still supporting AM4 and extending AM5. Honestly their general practices with Zen makes me want to go with them over Intel just on principle, plus I had a good experience with the CPUs at least. Sadly with Radeon RX5700xt I had a less than great experience lol. Cool stuff, getting ready to build a new system too!
Ay, 3950X gang. I seemed to have gotten lucky with mine (bought it shortly before Zen 3 was announced) and it's binned very well. Boosts up to 4.9 GHz and outperforms a fair amount of 5950Xs in benchmarks.
@@guh533 Yeah, that is what I am planning on doing, so I am waiting until AMD transitions into the new generation socket so I do not have to buy a new motherboard for a new generation cpu.
For perspective the 6500xt GPU has 16 RDNA2 compute units, and the HX370 has 16 compute units, but an entire generation newer in IPC and higher clocks, while also being a 54w tdp max. Quite impressive for an integrated GPU.
Bro im tired, i just wanna build a PC, First i was trying to get the RTX 4070 then someone told me to stop because the new Super lineup was coming out soon, then when the Super lineup came, Someone told me the new Computex event will have new RTX 50 Series News, then Told me to wait for the New Ryzen 9 Series Processor and New Motherboards with Higher MT Ram Modules, im just tired of waiting but i atleast got to know that Tech is always gonna evolve and there will something around the corner coming up everytime so im just gonna wait for AMD Ryzen 9 X3D processor and The new RTX 50 Series GPU and call it a Day, I still remember Simpler time when we would just buy a new GPU and play games without thinking about Vram Issues or Pricing , fk
Uhh, that's still how you do it. No game company is out there making games that will only run on the cards owned by 10% of all gamers. May 2024 Steam GPU numbers: #1 3060. #2 1650. #3 3060 Ti....#9 GPU on Steam and first of the 4000 (no AMD GPUs yet period): 4060...laptop version.... But sure, worry about whether a studio is going to make a game that only the 1.33% that own a 4070 Ti will be able to buy and play.
Ouh, don't do it. Just buy it, the moment you need it. Because there will always be something like: yeah in 2 months nee stuff will come out with 15% more performance... I want to upgrade my cpu since the 3600x, never happened, because a mix of 4 different reasons, cycling through them...(Pc Mandatory 24/7 , no money, no time, no parts available or overpriced) Now there are parts available and i have money, but guess what, i need my pc 24/7 right now, so i am again not able to upgrade xDDDDD
With X3d being the new hotness, I'm waiting for the day AMD just releases those as their normal lineup because the basic chips are pretty uninteresting in comparison anymore
