@@TheRealName7I prefer AMD, but Intel only really have thermal and stability issues on their higher end chips, also they are usually better for non gaming applications because of their e cores
As an owner of 13900k and ex-owner of 7950x, 7950x ran hotter in everything Actual reality is that 7950x ran about 5-10 degrees hotter while on RU-vid and such compared to "volcano" of a 13900k. People that speak on these CPUs don't actually own them. AMD hype train is about as disgusting as everyone calling AMD garbage compared to Intel during Vishera/Bulldozer days when I owned AMD FX-8320 People don't know what they are talking about. AMD is not garbage, but it has issues, you can look at countless of videos Intel also has an issue, and you can see a bunch of videos on that. Both CPUs have issues, but 7950x is solid, and in my case 13900k is solid But "volcano"? You don't own 7950x You comparing car with V8 engine to 4-core engine vehicle. Of course it will be cooler, like putting i5-13400 into your motherboard and then comparing it to 7800x3D in heat. I am almost 100% sure you are speaking on 7800x3D, and you never owned 13900k or 7950x to tell a difference.
@@righteousone8454 79xx series was designed to run near programmed thermal limits to deliver blistering speed even in light loads - which explains why the 7950x "just feels a lot snappier" in basic uses - as many reviewers pointed out. Also consider how each manufacture measures thermals - a true test would be to measure heat coming from the AIO. That said, Intel's heat dissipation was VASTLY improved 13/14 gen (basically same thing), something that was required to tame the extreme power usage - and they did an excellent job there. AMD claims to have now greatly improved their heat dissipation also on the 9xxx series - something I'll be watching for in the 3rd party reviews. Might be interesting to see if it's just due to lower TDPs or if they actually did improve it (OC temp comparisons will reveal) Not an argument to your post, I agree with it mostly - just a supplement.
@@righteousone8454yeah I’m Probably gonna get amd Next still when I get my desktop. But my old i7 10th gen never hit above 90c. My new laptop by the same exact brand with the same exact armoury crate mode my amd cpu stays at around 96c even at like 20 percent usage. Both laptops have about the same cooling too
You mean "Old McDonald had a bot farm, AI AI Oh!" Bet we see a lot of gold farming bots, influence peddling bots leaving likes on profiles, etc. All run by AI. Hell probably see AI manipulating stock market.
How quick things change. 2 yrs ago I bought the Ryzen 9 5900 and it was still new at that time........and now they have a 9900. The normal working person can't keep up.
I will be able to upgrade this winter. I am still running a trusty i7-4770k from 10 years ago. I also got a discounted RTX-4060. This combo STILL runs current gen games very very at 1440p60 and in Indie games it sometimes even hits 4k120. What I want to say is you don't need to upgrade your CPU very often if you get a good one.
This is why you’re one of the best channels on here. You pack in tons of Info in these shorter lengths posts and I love it no wasted time and straight to the point.
I get your point, I watch his vids to look for new leaks that I probably haven't seen yet from other sources. But, his thumbnails and titles are immensely ridiculous, the ultimate clickbaiter lol.
You are free to feel that way, and be maybe get left behind... or you can grab it by the horns in the early adoption phase and be one step ahead of your peers in knowledge, abilities, and attractiveness to hiring managers. Ollama, CoralAI, and a number of other free to very affordable avenues of dipping your toes in "AI" are available.
IMO the really noticeable difference is going to be regarding those using 1080p and to a lesser degree 1440p. I have chips ranging from 8700k to 12700k and AMD 5800x, and the 9700k ITX setup I use to browse can play games nearly as well with a 6800xt in 1440p as any of my other setups. It can get easy to get caught up in new part excitement. That CPU should be good for a long time IMO.
As some start to use their setups for other purposes, they'll probably start to see the use for the non x3d counterparts, but I think the x3d ones will work fine for that, too.
@@Rushtallica For the majority of user X3D makes the most sense. They're more power efficient too because AMD is forced to run them more efficiently due to the increased power density of the vertical stacked cache, which I appreciate because most CPUs consume way too much power than is necessary.
Good video bro! You got a new sub! I appreciate the info. I have always been an AMD Fanboy. Not sure what I used for Win 3.1 lol. So I just started school 4 months ago for Video Game Development. My Intel Fanboy friernd was like Intel bla bla bla .. has a feature for people doing editing etc. So, I bought the I9 14900k with 64GB DDR5 Ram. Running on a RTX 3060 12gb. I feel like my older Ryzen 7 responds faster. Like when I open a window. I have to wait a split second for intel. Its crazy. I think im giving this Intel junk to my 13 yr old for Roblox (lol) and im going with the new Ryzen 9 at the end of the month
AMD better be careful not to start competing against itself or go the Intel way of relaunching the same CPU for 8+ years and charging absurdities for it.
in about 5 or 6 years APUs will be powerful enough not only to play VR on them (the top end APU can already) and 8k gaming at atleast 60 fps then we won't need anything more powerful,
@@TheInsaneupsdriver im kind of inclined to bet all in on APUS to be honest , if we manage to get to 1nm there is no reason not to integrate bigger GPUs in APU and yeah we seem to slowly reaching the point where DDR5 is over 10000 mt/s that in itself will give massive boosts to integrated graphics , ryzen 8700g gpu was like 30% faster when going from 4800 mt/s to 7800 mt/s , all in all with dedicated gpus becoming increasingly stupid priced and ram becoming faster and faster i believe the time for APU to shine has come , specially since a lot of ppl are still playing on 3060 like videocards and 780m being able to beat 3050 mobile , we are 1-2 gen away for APUS to actually kill low end gpu market forever.
Actually I am pissed off finding out the improvement is only going to be 16% over the Zen 4 when articles were saying up to 45% last month.. It's literally totally pointless to read how much faster newer parts are going to be ahead of time
The channels have to keep coming up with content, and the companies rely on a lot of hype, some of which has to be true to a fair degree to keep people coming back for more. I actually believe for some it's better to not watch such content regarding reviewing or previewing new parts unless you really need them. It's easy to get caught up in the hype and to buy things that are completely unnecessary -- of which I'm completely guilty of both regarding music and computer gear. :D
true, but, keep in mind, tyere was a time when people were happy with 4% increases, look at intel for like 7 years a 16% increase, means that some of these chips are close to two times faster on alot of tasks when compared to old 5000 series no one could say that with alot of the cpus of the 4 cores is enough era
Microsoft's shenanigans with the entire Windows 11 bs is why I am on 10 LTSC and will be on Linux on any future builds. If I wanted to be spied on constantly, I would use TikTok 🤷♂️
Old Papermaster had a fab, AI AI O. And at that fab he grew some chips AI AI O. With a Ryzen here and a NPU there, here a chip there a chip, everywhere a chipset.............
Yes but we don't need that ai bull-shit . its just to get investor many ans stay relative with time . Why not make way more powerful CPU and the coders will use AVX512 instructions .
Ai has basically become the new nft where the only people benefiting are the rich and provides no benefit to the end user yet. Tho there is like 1 niche ai has been good for that NFTs failed at and that's entertainment neuro is pretty good but not a whole lot else to give a crap about.
They even tries to justify a non / X3d "we barely has 1%..." More performance Productivity and gaming ... Ya'll still don't get the excruciating clues ? .....
Hmm, the only sucker would be the B840. Only board partners would have use of such "branding" differentiation to put something between the B and A series. Like cmon, PCIe4.0 should be minimum for anything aimed at gaming - even A-series users should think about gen4.0 capability as SSDs are quickly covering such speeds. I mean you open specifications of notebook: system PCIe3, SSD PCIe4, as AMD kept on selling rebranded Cezanne (Zen3) APUs after Ryzen 7000 to cover cheaper segments. Honestly it's time the board partners invest in better technologies to produce quality PCB that allows decent PCIe and memory speeds, as the issue of expensive AMD chipsets isn't entirely on AMDs account, the chips they sell are most likely priced where intel prices theirs, it's the PCB requirements that raise the price. Like, we need this in notebooks aswell.
I'm completely sure this B840 chipsets meant for office desktop manufacturers like Dell, I mean PCIe 3.0 is still useful and with this CPUs supporting PCIe 5.0 you can have a lot of I/O devices To open Word files you don't need PCIe 4.0 NVMe
it's obviously great that processors are improving a lot, but when it's just one company it's bad for us consumers, this is just like when intel was dominating, only now it's amd instead of intel. we need at least 4 companies with meaningful competition otherwise it's just monopoly
This is what I wanna see Gamer Meld! First hand reporting rather than your opinion on what other people have reported. Now, the news consolidation is a good format to keep but I wanna hear your reporting, firsthand!
Intel's reputation got hit with the recent 13th and 14th gen silicon degradation shenanigans. Unless Intel makes the affected customers whole, I highly doubt that there will be confidence for their next line of CPU products: WHICH IS BAD FOR MARKET COMPETITION. So, come on Intel do something!
Any company that makes CPUs HAS to have AI processing in it because the future REQUIRES AI processing. Any windows based system needs a minimal no. of TOPS to install Win12, but there's going to be improvement of AI tools in different software and eventually most people are actually going to WANT those NPUs. Yes, really. Eventually even games are going to use AI functionality for the game logic to give variation in games that otherwise wouldn't be possible. That will have to run on the CPU or an NVMe NPU. It certainly can't run on the GPU. I don't give a rat's ass about who said what about CPU X beating CPU Y by z%. It's safe to assume that with the jump in IPC for Zen 5 that the differences between a 9700X and 7800X3D is going to be similar, with some games being better on one or the other. Yes, the media youtubers HAD to make a BIG story out of what was said. I ignored all that, typically I just stop watching a video because I don't care about it. It's safe to say that the jump for Zen 5 is going to be good enough that the vcache parts are going to easily be the best gaming CPUs until Arrow Lake launches and Intel will get a decent IPC boost just from getting rid of SMT - 2. So, for games that push a CPU a bit Arrow Lake should be a good performance jump over 14th gen. It's hard to know what that's going to look like, but I doubt it will be as good as AMD Zen 5 vcache parts. Not interested in upgrading from Zen 3 until the CPU-chipset interface is 16GB/s and if AMD can't get there with Zen 6 I'll be switching to Intel for the first time in 26 years at that point because I use multiple NVMe and run dual boot systems so I need that link to be faster than 8GB/s like it's been since X570/Zen 2. C'MON AMD FIX IT.
As I understood it, new motherboards in september (makers got the chips too late due to delay iirc) so that means probably 30th of september just like july release of Zen 5 meant last day of july. Though if lucky 1st week so I can do some birthday shopping.
So why the heck didn’t they add the NPU to their desktop range?! Are they really just giving that to intel? It’s frustrating… I swear I just can’t get my head around the logic of highlighting ai over and over and then leaving the NPUs out of the 9000 series!
you can get better NPU compute performance in next gen discrete graphics, extending the generational life of your CPU/RAM. Look there for the compute power in the desktop space.
@@makerspersona5456 The biggest, fastest, and newest GPU your budget allows. AI compute performance is measured in TOPS. For example, the new Ryzen 9 HX 370 with built in NPU is around 55 TOPS. The RTX 4090 GPU is around 1,300 TOPS. Where the built in NPU TOPS excels against GPU TOPS is TOPS per watt, battery saving, in other words which kind of makes the NPU irrelevant in the desktop market. You would use much more power to get the same number of TOPS out of the GPU, but its total capability massively exceeds NPU.
@@asknight I understand your point but I think the NPU can still add benefits where quick inference is required like in real time response for robotics etc.
@@makerspersona5456 certainly, choosing the right tool for the job is of paramount importance, at least in the area of efficiency. My point was more contrary towards the idea that the desktop market would be without Ai compute power without an NPU. At least in these early stages, the GPU will remain king of compute power in that market. The current/next gen NPU only adds $20-50 to the chip, but remember the chip market is absolutely brutal cut-throat and if one competitor can undercut the other by a few dollars by offloading Ai compute to discrete graphics, they will choose that route every time. Why that same idea doesnt make sense in mobile computing is because that $20-50 NPU is still cheaper than the $100-200 discrete mobile GPU but you get enough Ai compute power for personal use.
I am sick and tired of team red fanboys ( who are wedged up AMD's backside ) using every opportunity to attack intel , it's SO childish and immature ..... GROW UP !!!!!!!
So the "local" AI will not call back to servers? Will not share your information at all? Are we sure about that? The "recall" thing is already not acceptable (by me) and one reason to never install Windows again if it cannot be completely disabled.
Cool, Ryzen 9000 comes out in a couple of weeks. But unfortunately they'll launch without the new 800 series chipset. I think those looking to build a new rig will probably wait until there is a range of 800 series motherboards available. I know I will be.
I know people hate when cpu makers yap about AI but I Genuinely find that info useful cuz i started working on AI (Gotta start learning AI language so i can talk with our future AI overlords 😅)
I'm new to PC building and i was wondering if i should get the 7600x or should i wait for the 9600x ? Suppose if i go for the 9600x I'll have to reduce my budget on the GPU. Originally i was planning on a 7700xt, if its wiser to wait for the new cpu (9000 series) should i just go for the 6700xt or the 7600xt? Which one do you guys recommend ? Newer cpu + older gpu or older cpu+ newer gpu
Looks like next gen can't beat the 7800X3D for Gaming. How long will 7800X3D be the Champ for Gaming? Old dino tech with some new added and the ALL NEW TECH can't win? = ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@drsm7947 Really? 7800X3d is top for gaming needing about 60 watts to do it at. Look at the other cpus 400 watts, 500 watts needed and still lose to the 60 watt 7800X3D needed to beat all cpu's at gaming. In time, we will see if 9800X3D can and if watts used undoes it on itself and loses to the about 60 watts 7800X3D.
@@truthseeker6532 9800x3d it's the upgrade version of 5nm and zen4 7800x3d and 9800x3d it use the latest 4nm and zen5 technology of course it will beat it.
Really curious if the 3DV- Cache on the bigger 9900 and 9950 is gonna work on all cores this time and how high the clocks are gonna be compared to the regular models. The liquid Nitrogen OC on the new chips without 3dv cache is kinda sicko .. Wonder how much they can get to with normal AIO cooling. You might not need that cache 😃
Seriously. I know they didnt compare the 5800x3d to the new x3ds. But u cant deny a previous gen chips capability. Im still rocking a 3950x. Decisions Decisions.
My Intel chip randomly starts to overheat. I just bought a contact frame If this does not work to stabilize my system I will be getting rid of the $1,100 I spent on the motherboard in Intel I-9 ship
its tiring when you have plans for this that or work and youll have to do those w worries whether certain thing will happen, or it performs differently next try etc, think most hardware pros agree
This is why competition is healthy. I cant wait to see what Intel releases, at what prices, and what new stuff and/or performance they give. I do alot of video editing so I wish I could go the amd route but Intel's quicksync is just too good to pass on... But read that these new amd chips have AI posibilites inbuilt specifically for editors like resolve and premiere pro so its gonna be intresting thing to look up into how to compares.
Agreed. The competition is good for everyone, and I'm excited to see how the new Intel 20A (2nm) process is going to effect their power usage combined with their newer core architectures. Conversely, I find it disheartening to read comments sections like these where brand sycophants are cheering for a megacorporation that doesn't give a shit about them like their favorite sports team. Intel doesn't care about you and neither does AMD, Qualcomm, Apple, or anyone else.
I don't see the point for the b850 motherboards at all. They're not getting any new features at all, I have a b650e Aorus master and I have 2 pcie 5.0 m.2 slots and a 5.0x16. I will get a x870 for USB 4.0 and better memory speeds but other than that I would stay with my b650e over a b850
No, desktop gaming pcs don't need NPUs, our GPUs can run circles aroung the new NPUs that are being put in laptops. Your gaming desktop will already have more than enough TOPS to run AI workloads if it's mid-range or higher with a decent GPU
What are that benchmark? like every year they promote 50% more preformance but the cpus are alreay tested and they are still behind intel..not even much better than zen 4
