This. Lowest playable settings are 720P (or lower), not 1080 low. And 720p even looks better and runs faster than 1080p low, once you tune some settings (like textures) to medium/high. But the testing is not useless- it lets to compare it vs other iGPUs, and the fact that it can do ~30fps or more at 1080p low just means that almost every game will be playable at 40-50fps or more at 720p.
Well might as well try and get a New console at that point. It will probabably be cheaper and run games better when you factor in all the other parts you have to buy
Tbf, i dont think they even wanted to release it away from oem pre built which means they over priced it and if you really want it you'll pay the price
@@geek19954 Nah it doesn't match 10400F, it's much better than that. It only matches it in a handful of Intel optimized titles. And destroys it in most others by a large margin. The point is, it has a good iGPU that NO Intel has. For a small form factor PC without a GPU it simply has no competitor. Stop comparing it like a standalone CPU and treat it as a APU which it is.
That's what I did years ago when I was building my new PC: I bought a CPU with integrated graphics card, waited a few months and bought a proper GPU. I think it's a viable option for someone who needs a PC right now and is willing to wait a couple more months in order to also use it for gaming.
if going intel then sure, often the price is basically the same anyways, but if amd you're rather off buying a normal cpu and then a cheap used gpu, as it will be better and cheaper than an apu
I got the 3400G and 16Gb of RAM for my 8yo intending to get him a grfx card a couple of months later and..... a year later and he still hasn't run into any serious bottlenecks that make me go "ah, time to buy that card"! Integrated graphics have went from something to keep you going for a few weeks till you can afford a new card, to something you can legit game on quite happily, it's quite the change! Makes system planning totally different....
@@user-wq9mw2xz3j well, that was maybe the case before, but nowdays even the old gpus are expensive. although the prices are slowly dropping, thank ( the mining) god
Yeah I've been waiting for the gpu market to get reasonable to build a gaming pc for my brother, but I think I'll end up trying to get a 5600g/5700g and let him play on that in the meantime, as it's about a 100% improvement over nothing.
Indeed! I cannot remember a single Tech-Tuber who reviewed an APU/iGPU at 900p. Their typical summary is: "Not fast enough for AAA @1080p and @720p it looks ugly, ergo iGPUs suck..." :-/ [sigh!]
I played Star Wars Jedi: Survivor at 900p on my 7600 with 2CU RDNA2. Only got 15FPS though - but theoretically that means 8CU would be 60FPS, if memory bandwidth isn't an issue.
Most of us bought 3600 Ryzen. This might be a viable upgrade just for the CPU part depending on price point. The onboard graphics useful for when something goes wrong .
For me, this APU is interesting for running VMs in UNRAID. The APU and the onboard graphics interface can be used to give UNRAID a GPU. An additional graphics card could then be made available for the VM as a passthrough.
@@southpole76 I haven't done this myself yet, but from experience in the unRaid Forum and from my own experience I can say that it is not only hypothetical but also feasible. I even believe that SpaceinvaderOne has made a video about it. I'll have to check again. From my own experience, I know that you can use _any_ graphics card in a VM with GPU passthrough. I only had one dedicated graphics card and assigned it to a VM. For a power-saving unRaid server, it is best not to have an additional graphics card in the computer and to use the APU for absolutely necessary work (for example, installation). If you have 2 graphics cards (an APU and a dedicated card), then you do not need to edit in XLM file. You can just leave the APU for the host and give the graphics card to the VM.
The main use I've thinking of for these parts is an ultra-compact "serious stuff" PC in an Asrock Deskmini X300 or a InWin B1 build, particularly with the 5600G.
I really like the desk mini but it does not have the power delivery to push a 5700g. I max out the power brick with a 4650g however for about $60 I can get a brick with more power but then the question is can the board make use of it?
I bought x300 for 4750g, for me it's all I need. 8 cores and 16 threads are good for animating on blender and vega 8 graphics are enough for playing minecraft
@@hill160881 The board is rated for 65W TDP CPUs, just like the 5700G and the 5600G, and it comes with a 120W power brick, which should be plenty to power the whole system, I think...
Guys, if you want to play games on the 4000G or 5000G APUs, you REALLY HAVE TO(!) overclock the RAM to 4000MT/s (don't mind the latencies, adjust them accordingly)! It really makes a big difference compared to just 3200MT/s. Additionally overclock the iGPU to >2300MHz. I'm running this setup on a 4750G (which has the same GPU) and just yesterday played Shadow of the TR on this @1080p using something between low and medium settings and got mostly between 35 and 40 FPS. So overclocking RAM quite often makes the difference between playable and non-playable @1080p for AAA titles! BTW: Even using dual rank vs. single rank mem makes a difference! I just upgraded from 16GB SR to 32GB DR and got another 2-3 FPS more. Oh and how much mem did you assign to the iGPU for these tests? I noticed that some games (like Cyberpunk) run poorly, when using the BIOS default of just 1 or 2GB or so. Increasing that to at least 4GB made Cyberpunk run way(!) smoother, less stuttery.
Yes i have the 4650G (the 6 core version), and i can confirm the uplift in IGPU performance by doing 4000mhz 1:1 and upping the dedicaded ram to 4GB. Also overclocking the CPU to 4.2ghz and 2.2 to 2.3 Ghz the GPU do add more performance out of it... How much you say? 10 to 15 FPS more per game. That is the difference from a non playable game to a playable game... Best Regards,
My case is pretty niche but I thought I’d put it out there. The 5700g was suggested to me for a powerful streaming machine where extreme portability was a primary requirement, a mini ITX board in a Velka3 case to be able to easily carried on planes and such. No room for a dedicated GPU due to the four HDMI slot PCI capture card. Looking forward to getting it on august 5th!
I would love a follow up article, where you test the integrated graphics performance on popular/AAA games from 2017 or earlier. I am guessing, that games from that era (and many of us have a huge backlog) might run quite well indeed (until you can afford a proper GPU). Just few games that come to mind: overwatch, titanfall2, deus ex mankind divided, dishonored 2, mafia 3, watch dogs 2, witcher 3, wolfenstein new colossus, destiny 2, Nier: Automata, Divinity: original sin2 etc. edited for clarity
I really doubt it considering you'd have to play on lowest settings with the iGPU enabled to even close to 45-60fps on average with the 5700g. So I can only imagine how 5600g would perform under similar conditions.
@@Supcharged yup that went i am going with 5600x and will later but an 3080 Fe and for now I got a deal I got a display card just for display a asus radeon 1gb gddr3 GPU for just $6
Does it make difference tho? As far as I'm concerned, pci 4gen only makes some noticeable difference to those who have an I/O connected to a device that can use all of it's band. And only super high end GPUs and super high end SSDs will deliver this kind of noticeable gain. If you don't have any of these, it really doesn't matter... GN's video about PCI-e 4 and PCI-e 3, "the difference is real... but its also irrelevant" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0DKVVtirNM8.html
@@Threewlz Correct, pcie gen3 does not make that big a difference in performance compared to the reduced cache, that is a serious kneecap on both r5/r7 apu performance.
Name a mobile platform that can take advantage of pcie gen4? Exactly it’s pointless. I can run a 3080 at full power on 4x pcie 3 riser card. I loose less than 4% performance in games and none on compute tasks. So until you can max out the bandwidth why have more?
Should also be a pretty good APU for a compact developer system. Most don‘t need a discrete GPU, but more cores and high single core performance can make a huge difference depending on your exact workload.
Hey could you guys do some testing with games running with Proton on Linux, and compare with the same games running on Windows? It would be relevant for getting an idea of how games will perform on the Steam Deck.
GPU is quite different though, this is still Vega whereas the Zen in the steamdeck uses RDNA2. Then there's also the thing with power budget and the fact that the steamdeck uses zen2, not zen3. Note that I'm not against the testing itself, in contrary actually. Just that it's not going to be a reliable representation of performance to be expected of the steamdeck.
@@Spentalei Yeah, testing won't be accurate unless they do it with the Deck itself. I'd say it'd be worth to see the difference when testing the top end Zen 2 and RDNA2 chips to see the how the architectures fare in Proton and Windows, it would give us a rough idea of the performance drop to expect between OSes.
I had the same thought and tried it yesterday with the latest SteamOS build. After the initial boot, where it booted into a linux desktop, connected to WiFi, finished downloading stuff, and then backed itself up, on the next boot it had display issues. The screen essentially stayed black with an occasional flicker of something that looked like a big mouse pointer in the center of the screen. Tried it with a different monitor but it did the same thing. I got the feeling that SteamOS isn't quite happy with the 5700G yet, though I'd like to know why it broke. The initial linux boot seemed okay.
@@Spentalei agreed that it won't represent how the Deck itself plays, but it would be a good baseline for the state of Windows alternatives before SteamOS 3.0 launches and (allegedly) improves things.
@@dividion8102 Maybe you want to try Garuda Linux. I dislike the overt gamery look it has, but it werks. The 5700G is very new and Steam OS 2.0 is (now) very old. On a side note, you can try switching to a virtual console (Ctrl + Alt + F keys, F1-F6 for terminal, F7 back to desktop) and then trying to update the OS with 'sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y'. Then reboot. I had some issues with OSes not behaving properly until updated.
@@argh6666 no object or video should make you happy? lmao why does anyone watch movies, play games, eat food or drive for fun. How dare they have objects or videos make them happy >:( No person or relationship should make you happy. Have some hobbies and do your own thing. All you need. Best wishes! :/
@@argh6666 You need to get a sense of humour my friend. No joke or line shouldn't make you happy. Watch comedies, form sarcasm. All you need. Best wishes to you too!
This CPU is almost 50€ cheaper here than the 5700X and it has an iGPU which can be very useful. Id say its great value for money since its really not far off the regular 5700X and it looks like a tuned 5700G (static OC or PBO Tuning) could catch a stock 5700X.
possibly? definitely. and dramatically. the reason AMD stuck with vega on these is because the restraint is entirely from the ram speed. having stacked memory would allow insane latency and super fast speeds, so they could switch to the latest gpu designs and likely have 3x the performance
That is, of cause, until the triple A titles of the same time comes out. People was hoping the same for DDR4 and DDR3. Take a look at the memory bandwidth of even a modest GPU (say GeForce 960) and compare that to DDR5 5400.... it's depressing....
As someone who used a 2200G for a year, here is a tip: 900p do exist, dont use 1080p with a Vega APU. 900p looks almost as good as 1080p (in 720p things get ugly) and it gives a large fps boost compared to 1080p.
@@pieterrossouw8596 More than indies, i was able to play petty much everything with OC and being creative with the settings. At that time i replayed Witcher 3 at 900p with a combination of ultra/high/med/low settings that looked really good. The one game that i would have been unable to play was RDR2 but i already had a 570 by that time.
I think this APU looks like a winner. Not for gaming though, but for productivity stuff. Basically you get an 8-core that beats the 3700X, with integrated graphics that handily beats Intel's iGPU. I'll be looking into making a quiet ITX build with this, for a general office machine with no discrete GPU. Can't wait! :)
What would be interesting to see is if there is a noticeable performance difference using the 6900XT. I am curious if the NV driver overhead is coming into play.
Love the channel and thank you for the work you guys put in for our sake. I think this wasnt for "us" its for OEM / Business solutions that wanted more computing power and no DGPU.
this is definetley the way to go. 900p with TAA on a 1080p monitor looks pretty fine. Meanwhile with 720p you start to lose crucial graphic details in the game.
Grabbed one of these today. I understand some of the more negative findings in this video, but I stuck my purchase in a bluray/ripping/encoding box that I built end 2019 using a ryzen 3 apu, and am now seeing an excellent increase in performance with handbrake and other tools I use for archiving physical video media. I think it is a bit too easy to forget how AMD allows us to buy a CPU in 2022 and drop it in a 2019/2020 motherboard without any issues apart from possibly a bios update. I’ve been building my own PCs since the mid 90’s and it is only now that I can realistically plan to upgrade a CPU on an old motherboard, rather than thinking I can upgrade later only to find the manufacturers changed motherboard chip-sets and broke compatibility every year or so.
Look forward to Buildzoid pushing the IMC and DDR4 to the limit! Nice review. Its between 3700x and 5800x, seems to be a few points here or there, faster than a 3800xt.
AMD apu's have come such a long way. I've used a Puma based A8-6410 (4c4t) 15w tdp laptop, Trinity (4c4t) 5800k apu desktop and now a 4700u (8c8t) 15w tdo laptop. The 4700u is amazing.
Some thoughts then for the full review.... This APU isn't really cutting it in 1080p, as you found out. Since heavy game tweaking is off the table for your reviews (that's more LowSpecGamers forte), you really should test in 720p, and/or 1080p with resolution scaling. FSR could be an option, but it's not yet supported in many games yet and the image quality hit below 1080p might not be worth it - unless it makes a game playable. And yes, some games are definitely playable at 30 fps. Come on Steve, don't be that guy. Before the inevitable and pointless "Who games in 720p?" questions, people need to realize what this chip can and cannot do. It isn't fair nor reasonable to expect 1080p 60fps in every game from this tiny APU. If this is *all* the horsepower you have, making it work well enough is definitely significant. If that means 720p lowest settings, so be it. Would you rather *not* play the game at all? 100% personal opinion and choice. Otherwise a good first look, thanks for the quality content as always!
This APUs scream "non-gamer" system to me. It would be perfect for as the heart of a system to replace my dad's ancient Intel system. An 8-core system would probably last him a decade. Add a B550 board, a 16GB RAM kit, a 1TB NVMe SSD, a modest PSU and case - he'd be thrilled for years. Heck, I'd be thrilled with something like this in my office computer. I think AMD wasn't being foolish rolling these out to OEMs first. They sell to the kind of buyers who are ideal for this thing. Mind you, it would make a fun little Linux tinkering system and it would be a hilariously overkill upgrade in my 3200G home theatre system.
Yup. I bought an HP box in April with this APU. Replaced the single stick of RAM with 2 x 8 GB, did a clean OS install and it runs media for the house flawlessly for less than 600 bucks total. Wouldn't even think of gaming with it.
That's a bit rough, I'd expect more performance from a chip that costs the same as the 3700x when it were released for not much more performance. I'll wait for AM5 for upgrading I suppose!
@@snozzly yeah ik, but at least it's not a 10980xe case (for those who don't know, refer to Linus tech tips first video about that cpu to understand). There's a minimum difference between the 2.
I love this chip! yeah whilst I can agree with everything said in the video I think I've just become a fan of the APU's . So when they conclude that this chip doesn't really have a place I'd disagree. There is definitely a small group of enthusiasts who are creating content and making awesome builds with this chip.
Form factor is also important. You can build a mini/micro pc with this. But with dGPU, that is not possible at all. So, it would be great if someone can compare only the APUs among themselves first before getting into dGPU options.
Here's a missed angle: For a low noise cool running DAW the 5700G is perfect - even in 2022 there's nothing as elegant as it for these kinds of things.
@James Smith 5600X at 280 is still bad considering that the i7-10700K was around 260 in amazon. Ryzen 7 5700G is still better and Ryzen 7 5800X is also a good choice too. But at the end, a Tiger Lake i7-11800H should be way better than a 5600X considering the overall price for a system and GPU pricing and other nonsense
8 core 5700G like the i7 10700 look good choices for Audio Music production DAW FL Fruity loops software if you are not running dual monitor setups and simply not using much of the integrated graphics.
I so wish they could have gave us an RDNA2 GPU along side the U-series APUs. That would of been awsome for them to give us the GPU from the Steam Deck and slapped it together with the Zen 3 8 Core CPU from the 5800U/5900HS/5700G. That would of made for a seriously amazing APU/ low end Laptop gaming system.
The 5700G is interesting in regards of energy efficiency for a PC that idles a lot. And it should make cooling much cheaper. I can well imagine it in a silent office pc for art streaming or cad modelling. Also the 16 pcie lanes for a graphics card make it superior to a lot of the ryzen lineupe with graphics, that only has 8 pcie lanes for a gpu. that includes the mentioned 3400G with 8 pcie lanes for the gpus. From a gaming standpoint, the balance between cpu power anf gpu power is well suited for cpu heavy and gpu light games like minecraft java edition. The memory controller being made in 7nm process, also promises greater memory overclocking potential. While the lack of ecc support rules it out for serious workstation use.
It should be noted that with 65W TDP it has less power for clocks than the 5800X that has a higher TDP. It's not only the L3 cache difference. I also don't think there are any driver bugs, GCN has very mature drivers. It's impressive that integrated Vega is often faster than the discrete RX 550 that only uses GCN 4 but has a lot more memory bandwidth.
@@Hardwareunboxed makes sense; even if it was available for 5600X money on Amazon or other sites or the 4650G for around 3600 money. So even if it wasn't strictly speaking a retail CPU, one could still get their hands on one (depending on region ofc)
Watching this video from the future. I found the information I was looking for and will swap up my 3400G in my tiny HTPC. Awesome video (now that prices have come down).
I bought the 5700G in December last year after watching this video. Back then a 3060 was like 800-1000€ where I live, and I just wasn't willing to pay such prices. The Vega 8 Graphics have been working great, paired with DDR4 slightly overclocked to 4000 Mhz / CL18 with Infinity Fabric at 2000 Mhz. It runs everything, even Cyberpunk. Now prices have come down, I bought a 6800 for 570€ and I'm really glad I waited and didn't spend tons of money on a much weaker card.
Thanks for the insight. Looks like I'll be keeping my 3400G till zen 4 comes around. Maybe they'll include 4 channel memory support for increased bandwidth
why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over steve calling 30 fps unplayable, he literally said that's his opinion, if you find it playable then more power to ya
This is a very interesting video for me and you've done a good job of studying and testing the various options. I am someone who would be in the market for the 5700G but I will have to study your results to see if there might a different combination that is better for me.
This is helpful for people running servers who pass their primary GPU's through to a VM. I have long been running a 3700x headless as (no GPU at all) in my server, waiting for a GPU to come buy for TV gaming on my TV, however it would be a lot easier to pass through the primary GPU when there is already onboard graphics. Personally I prefer a lower TDP part compared to something in the intel range with this many cores.
Can you test the memory overclocking? Seemingly those really high on the infinity fabric (2300MHz are seemingly possible). And could you test if this is worth it over the cash in some scenarios for example esports titles for really high framerates to reduce input lag.
yes he review the memory controler and the conclusion is that you gain 3-4 FPS with some expensive G Skill DDR4 4000-4000 Mhz CL16 in dual rank configuration, so even if people's push ridiculously high memory speed at 4400 Mhz you still gain only 3-4 FPS lol Imagine who will be is so dumb to spending so much money on that expensive memory just to get 3 FPS more with 5700G lol?, but even if u gain 3 FPS with that memory you will still getting so much slower/ worse performance in games than with 6 core ryzen 5600x who is 80 $ less and beat the shit out from 5700g in games, as you can see Steve show here in graph review. Now if you talking to pair that expensive G Skill DDR4 4000 with ryzen 5900x i guess it will be another story, but even then is not worth it just to gain some 5-6 FPS, cause you can take some so much cheaper Crucial Ballistix 3600 CL16 18 18 38 trc 84 at the half of amount of money you spend on g skill, and the overclocked crucial like i did to 3800 MHz CL 16 17 17 17 33 trc to 50 , then lower the TRFC from 991 to 541 and TFAW down from 38 to 12, DRAM voltage at 1.4 V, and so on and you will get some closer result to g skill;)
@@faithful2008 That is bullshit, in most cpu limited scenarios the difference is huge (up to 25%). If you want to test gpus, you try to elimante all the "bottle necks" or variations in the system. So yes you should run the strongest cpu and ram that you can.
I'm in no hurry, but I'll need a new 'daily driver,' as this system is getting fairly old already. This helps. So happy to be on Patreon so you guys can buy these!
That's actually a great insight into what the Steam Deck will allow, of course at ~50% pixel counts than 1080p, and likely hitting 60fps more often w/ more capable iGPU and less constrained memory. fingers crossed all the games shown here can do >800p at 60fps with medium settings.
I wish for these tests, that someone would use PBO to increase the power limits. I have a feeling that most of the performance differences are due to the significantly lower power target. Basically more components than a 5800x, but a significantly lower power target.
Would you consider adding a benefit for members where they can request certain games to be benchmarked? A lot of the time when people get new hardware they like to revisit old favorites to see how well they run now and thatd be cool to see the improvement on older popular titles as well
I really may be getting this to upgrade my 2700X, even without the recommendation. It fits right in the performance envelope that I expected it to be. And I want to have a backup during the semester in case my GPU dies. I'm paying for the piece of mind, really.
The main problem is RAM. DDR4 is too slow for graphics and they already had several iterations of Vega in APUs. It was easier to do this, instead of making RDNA2 APU that would be bottlenecked by DDR4 even more than Vega.
ps5 is a zen2 apu with rdna2, so a zen3 apu with rdna2 would be better than ps5, other than the fact its got gddr6 too, amd recently have been putting out the chip, but with the igpu disabled, including gddr6 integration, amd have the tech, just cant give it to us, blame sony
I would like to see an clock to clok cpu preformance comparasion and an iGpu oc test, i think u can hit 2.2ghz on thise vega cores and it gives a sizable bump and maby it will push some games above playable range
I think it's strength is in tiny form factor build, where no discrete GPU can be added, and to add as much GPU power to play some incidental light duty games. And now they have far, so a lot more is possible when those games arrive in the future
How about a 3600 or 11400F for about 200$ + used rx 550 4gb or new 1030 DDR5 for less or same price and later swap the gpu? You won't lose much on the cpu side either
Certainly a helpful mechanism, in assuring the system can POST [IF you don't have a loose GPU around] ... Versus all the peoples that committed on a non-APU build, [still] banking on them GPU prices to dip
I've bought a 3400g back in 2020 and earlier this year I've managed to snatch a RTX 3070 so I'm just waiting for the 5600g to drop so I can optimize my setup for 1440p gaming. As I see, there's just no reason to pay a single dollar more for a cpu under this specific circumstances of mine since the difference would be negligible, if any, at that resolution using that graphics card.
@NightBladeDK yea but you have to account that is has only a 720p screen so only less then 1/8 of the pixel of a 4k screen need to rendered. in other words a Steam Deck running at 720p should get about the same FPS like a RX 6800 running the same game at 4k
@NightBladeDK I guess Valve wanted more than 20 minutes of battery life, and not add another $100 to the price (additional 12 CUs + ~32MB of cache to feed those).
Here in the Nordics, it's been hard to get a hold of a reasonably priced pre-built with a 5_00X CPU. And you need to buy a pre-built to land a GPU without being ripped off. However, 5_00G pre-builts are now here and affordable: Got my dad a HP Pavilion 5600G, RTX 3060 12 GB, 16 GB 3200 MHz, 256 GB NVMe build for about 1000 €. At least at the time, the GPU alone was going for more than half that price, and the cheapest builds with 5600X or better were 1500+ € gaming monsters beyond my dad's needs. If your market situation is similar, it's easy to recommend a good 5_00G prebuilt for anyone looking for a mid-tier all-arounder PC.
And then AMD will limit it to RDNA2+ only to make you buy the brand new 6700G. Don't buy anything that is not worth its price at the moment of purchase, hoping it would get better. It won't.
FSR in high Qualty mode could add some FPS , and yes , i know , FSR is not really good with FHD . Maybe playing with mid Settings under FSR in FHD could remove some of the downsides . An comparison of real 720p to FSR FHD would be more interresting than pairing the APU with an 3080 TI or 6800XT at least in my eyes .
it worse 720p scale to 1080p. Resulting image looks blurry and loses details. for better results, it needs to set resolution not too far from 1080p (FHD)
IMO the most interesting thing about these is that the infinity fabric can be overclocked to well above 2 Ghz (more like 2.3-2.4), making RAM OC excellent. So basically an overclocker's CPU.
I fall under "graphics cards availability and pricing" reasoning, so after my GPU died I am returning my Ryzen 5 5600X and bought Ryzen 7 5700G (arriving tomorrow) so at least I can play my game until GPUs approach a more reasonable and affordable price. I'd rather play with low settings than not at all with the APU. I will never buy computer parts off of Ebay again after getting a "new" used, broken seal, nonworking PSU, I returned it and they sent it to me again as a replacement.
Another usecase where this APU makes sense is in really small PC cases, and when price doesn't matter. I have something like an Inwin Chopin, but just a little larger, and a 2400G - no graphics card fits inside there. And the MB supports the 5000 series CPUs. Building something like this from scratch may make sense, but for me an upgrade doesn't, as the 2400g is still very fast for my usecase. I want to play games like the old Stalkers and Crysis Warhead, and for these the 2400g is plenty fast.
I have a 3700x and an RX 470(4GB) with 3200mhz memory. I got the 3700x & rx 470 used for $280usd. They're on a B450 mobo as I have no need for pcie 4. I'm pretty happy but will upgrade the gpu when it's sane to do so. I had such high hopes for the 5000 series apus but, I think I'll just stick with my current AM4 rig until AM5 has launched and the inevitable 'new platform' bugs are ... less buggy.
APU's are bandwidth constrained, dropping to 720p makes a huge difference. On a small screen laptop this isn't a huge deal but if this is a desktop with a decent monitor obviously it's a problem. Hopefully FSR improves a lot to accommodate.
i would pretty much always recommend a dedicated GPU. except for my situation where a 1050 Ti would cost extra $200 for outperforming the 5600G, or the 1030 would cost $100 extra for about the same performance. Also the 5600G is roughly $30 cheaper here then the 5600X, and i saved $20 on a daily deal. So for me its a decent CPU with a free graphics unit. and if prices may drop in the future i can just add a dedicated GPU.
I'd recommend business grade OEMs, not consumer grade. Down the line if you want to upgrade or fix it, fingers crossed. Also MB and other components support is significantly longer (at a minimum of 3yrs due to warranty). You just don't have that in consumer throw aways. You can get decent HP Z2xx or Z4xx series for a bargain. Plus a lot of businesses that closed or those who upgraded because of the pandemic have already flipped or returned their OEMs. Just don't think that it's worth the +1000$us that he spent on this consumer OEM.
For an entry laptop at around $500 to $700 USD it isn't bad at all, that is if it doesn't have a discrete GPU build in. That is if you do not care a lot for high end video game performance. Now the one I am genuinely interested is the APU inside the Steam Deck with RDNA2 and really can't wait to see those APU on laptops.
