hehe, I always think the opposite when he does one of these videos. Why does he have such a hard-on for ITX PCs? Does he live in a 100sq ft apartment? Because that's the only reason I can think of to make so many compromises for a build. All these ITX builds have limited ventilation, few to no choices when adding a GPU, very limited PSU options, limited cooler options, very limited storage options, etc., etc., etc. My builds are always the opposite; ATX mobo in a full tower case. For friends I will often use a mATX mobo if I know they aren't going to adding any cards other than a GPU to save money, and move down to a mid tower since they won't use as many drives as I do. Of course everyone is free to buy/build whatever they like. And some videos with SFF rigs have been good like the one where he bought a Lenovo off ebay for a good price. I saw that as a decent machine for a good price that happened to be small, not "OMG it's small so it's automatically great!". To me if you want a really small PC, you get a laptop. ;-D
ETA PRIME, you are consistently one of the most viewer-oriented RU-vidrs around here. I watch many of your videos, and I read the comments asking for a specific game to be featured in your videos. In a short time, you include that game. You timestamp each transition, you don't waste time on the front or back end with loud music and begging for subs, and you are unbiased. Thank you for what you do, and keep up the great work!
You’re like having a best friend with all the insider information on computers. Love everything you do involving emulation. Have bought 3 expensive items you’ve featured. Have pretty much never bought anything based on a RU-vid channel like that. Great job every video ETA!
What a killer build. These integrated graphics have seriously come a long way. I feel they are ALMOST there. I want to see 1080p with max settings on all these games and even some AA then I'm getting one. Great work ETA.
I plan to build a sff pc like this for couch coop split screen gaming on a 4k tv with my wife. Is it sensible or I'm better off with mini pcs? Can 1080p still look good on a 65inch tv?
Great review of the best APU ever made. Thing is, for such a small case, you could easily drop temps by close to 10C by limiting the power limit of the APU to 65W in the UEFI, losing less than 5% of performance.
@@NaeMuckle I believe its the other way around just the chips in consoles are more optimized for the games infrastructure as they have less tasks to fulfill on terms of variety
Thermalright is a veteran when it comes to CPU cooler, the cooper heatsink with red fan look really nice and sleek, quality stuff This APU is a really good placeholder for a year or two until the silicon shortage is (hopefully) sorted out
@@lyianx Considering the performance of a high clock speed 8 core 16 thread with built in graphics that exceed a RX 560 or the good ol' 1050 ti... all for the price of an 8 core cpu. It's hard to beat.
Man i love these SFF pc's just a pity they heck of a lot more than a desktop(here it is)To see how far igpu's came are astonishing. PS:You have such a relaxing voice and usually when you release a video it's late afternoon or night so i just to fall asleep 😂
They really are. I had an i3-8100 and 8 gigs of ram laying around so I built a wireless web browsing monster with the Chopin. It’s my third build, by far the lowest spec pc I have, and by far my favorite :) You should build one dude.
I would love to see this APU Liquid Cooled and pushed to as far beyond as possible. I know it wouldn't be ideal for those on a budget, but I love seeing hardware pushed to their limits and beyond, just to see what kind of potential they have. Aside from that, THANK you!
@@mimo5383 Ain't that right. With Tech, just gotta buy the current gen unless the next generation is right around the corner. Can't never keep up with these changes.
Just got done watching this on my media PC build in an InWin Chopin with a 2200G. I never game on it, just watching RU-vid and random web surfing, so my requirements are a whole lot lower. Works great for me. Only thing I did was replace the built-in power supply with a PicoPSU for silent operation. I found that the PSU fan was blowing right through a tight bend in the outer shroud on the case, which made a loud whirring noise that was very distracting. It never got quieter because the fan always ran 100% even with idle load. When running the PSU outside the case, the fan was actually quiet, so it was the tight bends in the airflow due to the case that caused the noise. So now this 160W(?) PicoPSU does the job silently--and with less cable mess to wrangle afterward too. For my CPU cooler I read this trick somewhere online: take the stock Wraith cooler (Wraith Stealth IIRC) and remove the shroud ring and it will bring the cooler height to exactly the size you need with maybe 1mm of clearance. So that's what I've done here. I don't remember if it was the exact stock cooler with this 2200G because I had at least a few spare Wraith coolers from prior Ryzen builds. The tight fit means the mesh side panel basically acts like an air filter for intake, with the rest of the mesh as exhaust--so I have a perma-disc of dust above my CPU if I don't keep it clean...
@@vladikostek I'm saying he said the line when the video was posted and then edited it out of the video after he saw my comment or a similar comment. You can do that with RU-vid's editing tools. The proof is the sudden jump in the footage in-between "As you can see, we have that Ryzen 7 5700G--" and "--and when it comes to the built-in Radeon Graphics, the CPU is already more than enough."
CSGO is usually run at low settings even on high-end systems. I think it would be way more relevant and interesting using competitive settings like 1280x960 and lowest. The CPU can easily push 400 fps and it would be really interesting to see if an APU can actually achieve this performance level all by itself.
400 fps in CS GO probably wont happen (5700G). 5700G only has 16Mb of L3 cache, compared to 32Mb in 5600x or 5800x where 400+ fps in CS GO is possible. CS GO scales very well with size of an L3 cache.
I got a 2700X... It works as a beast still. But getting a 5000 series in APU flavor!!! I know what I want for xmas, besides more filament for my printer.
To get more FPS and lag free in games like CSGO and Left 4 Dead change the shader graphic setting to medium and put the rest on high with AA on as well.
Great video as always my man. These mini PC have come a long way. It's vary unfortunate that these parts are so dang expensive right now. Over $650 for these CPU's and $210 for the motherboard, WOW! Glad I bukit my PC's before all the price gouging started.. as I said before, great video and keep these coming.
I've been wanting a 1080p medium detail APU. It's nice to know the 5700G can do that. Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk 2077 on those settings looks pretty good. That's impressive.
If you live out of the city or in energy limiting areas or dont want to spend alot in electricity bill go for an amd apu build. These are great for 1080p med settings for under 200 watts an hr. Those in india/africa/middle east/Russia/china/europe best off with these apu builds and no gpu they can play every esports games, battle royale game, rts, mmorpgs, remakes, games from 1 yr ago fine. Yes pricey but your saving money long term just make sure to buy dual ram if buying prebuilt like hp/dell/lenovo.
Lately the Warframe devs have devoted a lot of time making possible to run the game even in a potato laptop, i've been using my i5 6200U with HD Graphics 520 with low settings and a solid 35+ fps ingame, kudos to the dev team, that's customer service right there.
I think in a generation or 2 and once AMD has their DLSS ( I can't remember what AMD is going to call it.) a lot of games will be doing 1080p at high setting with these APU's.
My rig. 5700G using baseclock RAM Gskill 32GB @4000mhz OC to 4133 with 8GB VRAM NZXT Kraken X53 AIO 6TB SSD (2 each) This APU is out of league. Runs around like a GTX 1050Ti Thanks for motivating me to upgrade from 3400G to 5700G
Thanks so much for testing street fighter v with your builds. These small builds would be wonderful to bring to places to run sets with people once stuff is clear again. Keep it up!
The In-Win Chopin is NO excuse for poor cable management. Take the aluminum shell off. It makes it much easier to route those unnecessarily massive USB-3 cables they use. There are also several small cutouts and paths that can provide excellent cable management for the PSU cables if you take your time and think about your cable paths. You have to take the shell off though.
Enjoyable to watch. Given the GPU supply problems that are not every going to go away unless GPU card manufacturers make graphic specific drivers and exclude non-graphics use like mining APUs or Apple will be the way to go from now on. Would like to see the Ryzen 5700G compared to the Apple M1 (and coming further iterations) in games and other graphic intense situations.
Pretty sure it's pronounced Show-pan (after the composer). I grew up in Texas reading a lot of foreign authors and by the time I started college and traveling I had amassed a large collection of hideously mispronounced names, so I feel you.
The Chopin is so easy to install in. The last PC I built with the Chopin took me 10 minutes to assemble, and that includes taking things out of boxes. I found the cables to be the perfect length for the ASRock board I put into it, they also tucked away nicely in the front.
Great video! I always enjoy your stuff. Found you through the Launchbox videos about a year ago and have been watching regularly ever since. Really respect your stuff. Keep it up!
I hope that at some point integrated graphics will be powerful enough to run anything at high settings and stable frames making dedicated gpus just optional or tailored for more specific needs.
Won't happen, at least not unless we reach a point where there is no more progress to be made with dedicated cards. Games will always be made to push the current hardware and iGPUs will remain limited by things like power limitations and the bandwidth limitations of sharing system RAM.
These mini pc builds are decent but the price vs performance it's probably better to game on consoles. Regardless, it's fun to see what different configurations can do and what new tech on the market brings to these. Thanks for showing us these builds.
i think these PCs are probably better, simply because of the productivity capability that they have, but otherwise yeah for gaming only the new-gen consoles might be better once there are more games optimised for them. But to be honest for what these can do at the price given, they're pretty unbeatable
RDNA 2 won't be a huge bump because ram speeds are probably 5 years away until they can reach GDDR6 speeds. But 15-20% boost is definitely possible. They will make it DDR5 exclusive which will enable that performance bump.
Glad I watched this. Been looking at moving away from the huge and unliftable build I have now to something I can put atop my desk. I'm not sure why but I hadn't considered moving to an APU, maybe because I didn't think they were suitable but this 5700G might just do the trick.
Thank you ETA Prime! I was really inspired by this video and built the system exactly how you did. I went with the 5600G which handles all of my last gen (PS4 Xbone gen) games flawlessly. I basically replaced my older BitFenix Prodigy with this build. Astonished to me that the new 5600G handles everything that my older i7 GTX 770 did. I'm looking forward to a review of the Ryzen 6000 series when those become available. Have read some interesting things that they will support RDNA graphics and DDR5 ram. Boom!
This is impressive stuff. Now I just wish AMD boards of that size would come with Thunderbolt 3 or 4 support. I could easily ditch that large and heavy tower next to me.
remember guys check AMD Roadmap. RDNA2 builds requires AM5 Motherboards and DDR5 RAM. I currently own 5700G and benchmarking right now. And its a beast APU right now by the moment. Lets hope these Ray Tracing APUs beats Vega 8 graphics. Upgrading from 3400G to 5700G its a huge boost
Excellent build! Wondering if one of those other SFF CPU fans you have used in the past would cool it even more, but still great build! As MR Burns would say, Most Impressive!
the 6400 doesn't have an H.264 encoder for the simple reason that is a laptop chip Adapter for usage on the desktop. Since all integrated graphics nowadays have an h.264 encoder they could have cheaped out for laptops and I think AMD decided to use it on the desktop as well in order to come to market with graphics cards that would offer the same If not higher performance than the 1650 for a much lower price.
I'd be interested in if there's a temperature difference with that cooler oriented 90 degrees from the way you have it, so that the fins would direct the air out the top case vent, instead of dead-ending against the RAM. You'd be taking advantage of the chimney effect as well, with the hot air naturally wanting to rise.
