With the possibility of two planes colliding with each other being firmly in place back then, I’m deeply relieved that we live in these times where safety is prevalent. Great vid!
Jamie finds cockatoos exasperating for the most part, plus she has a bit of fear toward them. I *love* cockatoos, though! They’re nutty and endearing. Faye makes some very interesting noises.
The odds of two commercial aircraft being in the same airspace at the same moment, at the same altitude, in the vast western sky, in 1956....seem infinitesimal. But learning that these aircraft all fly to common waypoints on their routes, thereby potentially bringing them in proximity to other aircraft, does increase the odds substantially. Thankful we have TCAS now.
there were some bald-faced lies: both flights positioned to give the passengers low altitude views of the grand canyon and not at 21k ft, why they collided. the USN/USMC brought that out. and the recovery of remains from the sides of the canyon walls was nearly a year-long process. a real american horror story.
I was a little girl when TWA and United collided over New York City. My mother was a good friend of one of the passengers.. I can still hear her crying , on the telephone , watching the wreckage on TV and bringing his children to our house so his wife could do what needed to be done.. this affected the way I still feel about flying. I'm terrified. May everyone who has died in any air crash Rest in Peace
I may be off course on this one but I don't think many people realize how much something like this also affects the people on the ground witnessing the horrific crash. I am probably a sissy but after watching things like this, I sometimes can't sleep well or get the images out of my mind. My sympathies to everyone involved. That's got to be very difficult for you remembering. I hope you're doing well regardless and I'm sorry that your mom lost a good friend. Peace 😊
Thank you for your reverence and respect while describing terrible events that not only took lives, but shattered other lives that may still be alive, and watching this for their own closure. TFC is amazing, and deserves much recognition.
Looking at a map of the US with little plane symbols showing all the planes currently in the air---is a real eye-opener. The sky is not so big when you see a depiction of the crowded mess up there.
Imagine becoming a part of the Grand Canyon..........FOREVER! Beautiful, peaceful place of eternal rest. So sorry for those aboard any ill-fated flight . The loss is always so sudden, and dramatic for surviving family and friends. RIP
A couple of tough days for the T-Way Connies. I think there was a male, adolescent survivor of the NYC collision who was found in a snow bank with severe burns. He was dubbed as something of a miracle boy by the press but unfortunately he died hours after getting to the hospital.
The sole survivor was a child age 11. He had been sitting in the rear of the plane. He was severely burned and died after his parents had a chance to visit him in the hospital.
@@ikeabiscuits5481 He was on the United and excited about flying to New York City to visit relatives. He was found in a snowbank but passed away. He was from Chicago area where his parents put him on the plane.
@@ikeabiscuits5481 The 11-year-old boy was on the airplane that fell in BROOKLYN. He died the next night, after his parents had a chance to visit with him.
When I was little we lived in California and my grandparents lived in Colorado. We flew the LA to Kansas City flight, landing in Durango, Colorado, shortly after the collision over the Grand Canyon. My mother was terrified. We took the bus back to LA.
@@Focusonbehind Yes, we didn't have or wear seatbelts either. Around the very late 1950s/very early 1960s, I witnessed a horrific car accident while riding with my parents. Two cars, everyone dead and covered in sheets in the road. Very, very scary. Thank goodness for seatbelts.
@@patroskybass Especially back then! My Dad was 39 years old when I was born. He had a stubborn streak a mile long, so did my Mom, who was a year older than he. I think people from that generation were very hard headed, and superstitious. (Not that we're much better...)
It's a sad tragedy, but I am glad you are doing older accidents as well now, this way we do not forget those who perished and survived. These accidents were as real as the one's that happen today and we tend to forget that.
There are more coincidences than that. 1. The aircraft involved on both crashes are a United Douglas aircraft (UA718 uses DC-7, UA826 uses DC-8) and a TWA Super Constellation. 2. Both United aircraft came from the right side of the TWA Connies and shears the rear fuselage with one of its wings from there, albeit TW266 is more severe as UA826 also ripped out the roof of the front fuselage and the right wing. 3. Both United aircraft manages to stay up for roughly a minute after collision despite having a badly damaged wing and one less outermost engine before impact.
It's so dangerous back in the day when people are still figuring out how to best and safely use new technologies, machineries and methods. Because of these mistakes, the people and the industry demanded better safety and methods.
As tragic as these stories are, they are my most looked forward to videos on RU-vid. Credit to you. I have seen every one of them over that past 2 years.
It’s amazing the coincidences that have to happen to cause a tragedy. If that plane in the first story wasn’t 31 minutes late, the accident wouldn’t have occurred. Same with the equipment failure and navigation error in the second story.
Who knows what other close calls have happened in they got lucky and had the separation to avoid a collision. I have a feel there are a lot of those close calls, maybe not all of from the early days known beyond the pilots.
1955-1960 was bad luck in terms of mod air collisions for TWA and United airlines. Two major air disasters, nearly the same number of deaths, both over major sites.
It's pretty coincidental that I like swiss cheese. Aviation accidents are like that, a lot. Multiple things go wrong and make multiple holes in multiple slices. The only thing that has to happen then for a disaster to take place is for all the created holes to line up. Thank you, TFC, for another amazing video, and I thank the pilots of everyday air travel as well for being able to get the aircraft, and its occupants, to a safe end of flight.
Meeeeee toooooo.............I ALWAYS acknowledge the Captain and/or the FO if I have the rare chance to see them before the flight or thank them upon disembarking. They deserve so much more credit and respect than what they get. And people today have serious attitude issues. Sometimes I just want to "reach out and touch" some of those people too.....sooo disrespectful
The exact opposite is true. Because you watch these videos your opinion might be biased, but for an accident to occur multiple things have to go wrong and line up, it's called the swiss cheese model of flight safety.
I think the helplessness is what really frightens people about air travel. You have an illusion of control when driving. I say illusion because you're only as safe as the dum-dums driving near you.
I've seen it... it is a bit scary. Especially when you tell the Stewardess, and she says, "No Problem". At 18 you don't realize, she didn't have time to do anything at all about it... at 58 you think... "wow...how lucky was I?"
So sad and you as usual did a gorgeous rendition of these disasters. You are just exceptional in your style, the music, the speed of the video, Everything. Thank you 💕
My grandaunt is Joyce. Today, July 29th, 2022, marks the 1 year anniversy since her death. Its been hard and I miss her. She had so many stories to tell and I loved them! One of her earliest memories is being around 2 and hearing the explosion. I looked at where the plane hit and her address at the time, she lived a few blocks away. She heard the explosion of the plane in NY and remembers it all. Crazy.
I was at the Grand Canyon and saw the exact spot where the crash happened. It's at the Desert View. There's a sign there that tells about it and if you look out you can see the exact spots where each plane went down. It was very eerie.
I was there, too. Seven years old, visiting with my parents. I remember seeing the burned area through binoculars. I also remember the sound of the helicopters flying to the crash site all day long.
@@nobody7817 I don't understand what you are saying. Yes, I was there in 1956 when it happened. I saw the burned area and remember the sound of the big helicopters flying in and out of the Canyon during the recovery effort.
@@bombthechaos3916 Ah... for some reason I read that as you saw it 7 years ago... Sorry for the confusion. It has been a long day for me (I'm not in the US at the moment.).
That's not surprising. By the time a pilot can visually see a plane on collision course, that pilot usually has almost no chance of actually avoiding that collision. Although I'm sure time stretches out horribly, as it will when a ton of adrenaline hits your system. 😰 Your brain literally overclocks, in other words, so time appears to slow down. Edit: I almost got in a head-on with a wrong-way driver (in a big pickup truck) on the freeway (when I was in a compact car). That was really interesting.
We forget how planes used to sound back 70 years ago, and how they still sounded like WW2 planes. It must have been so noisy inside. It’s amazing how far aircraft has come since then
I fly commercial regularly between Spokane and Portland and most flights on a Bombardier 400Q twin prop. Those things are noisy and on one flight near the wing the floor even vibrated.
Over Christmas 1964 I got to experience both. Left Denver for Portland on a DC8, returned to Denver on a DC7 (propeller). It was noisier on the DC7, but I loved it still, hearing those prop engines roaring, imagining myself in a WW2 bomber over enemy territory.
67 years old now with memories of numerous flights on AA, DC-6 & DC-7 aircraft between LAX & ELP. The cabins were extremely noisy to where normal conversations were hampered excepting face-to-face, side-by-side chatter.
Have you done one about PSA Flight 182? That midair collision happened about a couple of miles from my home growing up in San Diego. I remember burnt pieces of paper from a book floating down.
It’s very disturbing to know that these two crashes happened four years apart but just reversed in different areas and with different airliners. Rest In Pierce to all who perished in these two tragedies✈️
Such tragedies. almost impossible to imagine what the passengers experienced in their last few minutes, knowing they were unstoppably hurtling to their deaths...
It took them so much time to realise that a distance of 1000ft should be set between 2 aircrafts and never at the *SAME* ALTITUDE no matter what direction
I don’t believe that, about 10 minutes ago before i opened RU-vid, i just thought about Grand Canyon collision that made me willing to find out more about the accident ! and it appeared right now in the recommended list 🧐
the start vids. my father was involved in the DON/USMC investigations around the grand canyon collision. several marines were enroute home with discharges post-dated after that date and died there. the families sued the US govt for vets rights--and won. the shitstorm that caused was the end of some very senior people's careers.
18:15 Interesting shot of the 1990’s White House with the Washington monument undergoing maintenance in the background. Beautiful visuals of the Grand Canyon, too. Nice job all around. Thank God such deadly accidents are less likely to to take place in current times.
True story, there are actually still some pieces of that plane wreckage in remote areas in the bottom of the canyon. They couldn't get all the pieces out so they just left them.
I'm a ride share driver in Chicago. A few years ago I gave a ride to a lady who was a little girl at the time of the Grand Canyon crash. Her father was aboard the Constellation.
Of those three factors mentioned, my gut tells me it's the third. I was already thinking that both could have been distracted or complacent while attempting to show scenery, thus giving them common way points. The odds of this happening back then had to have been low otherwise.
I thought I was the only one who was thinking this.... I've just checked: yes, both accidents have been covered before on this channel: in 2019 and 2020.
I think this is kind of a special video focused on midair collision. He did sth like that a while ago with crashes where the flight crew and passengers passed out mid flight
There was one initial survivor - an 11 year old boy who was thrown into a snow bank, but had inhaled burning fuel, and was badly burned, and died the next day from pneumonia
One young boy actually initially survived the collision over NYC. However, he died from his injuries a day later. Here are footages and interviews from the time : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gti_6AS-zo0.html
The child had been placed in a glassed-in nursery and was surrounded by doctors, nurses, equipment. The doctors spoke quietly, each weighing in on his area of expertise: the head of orthopedics saying he wanted to set Stephen's broken leg, but could not because of the burns; the plastic surgeon speaking of skin grafts. The chief of pediatrics, of surgery. They were all there. Then she saw him. He was so badly burned, she could not tell what race he was. A bone stuck out of one of his legs. He was covered only by a small, sterilized sheet on his groin. ''They couldn't even cover him with a sheet because of the bacteria factor,'' she said. ''He was just open wounds all over. I've never seen someone burned like this.'' She was put somewhat at ease by the experts milling around. ''They all kind of worked together, they had to,'' she said. ''It was just a case that I don't think many people get to see in a lifetime.'' As each doctor noticed Miss Stull, he updated her briefly on Stephen's condition and what could be expected during the night. She started to have a sickened feeling. One by one, their orders given, the doctors headed out the door, and not long after 12:30 a.m. the nurse realized that she was alone with two young nursing students and Stephen Baltz. ''When I got there, every chief of every service was on the floor, and I thought, 'It's not going to be too bad, all the people here to help me.' Because, you see, decisions had to be made that nursing usually doesn't do. But everyone disappeared.'' Silence, except for Stephen's halting breaths. HER training kicked in. First, check his respiration by watching his chest gently rise and fall. Next, his fluids, his blood and urine. Every 10 minutes she updated her logbook. She stood the whole time. There was only one chair in the room, and a nursing student was asleep in it. Stephen had also been sleeping when she got there, but a little later, he suddenly chirped up with the bell-like voice of a healthy child. He wanted to know where he was, he felt fine, he wanted a television. ''You stood there looking at this little boy,'' she said, ''and he was saying this, and you know to me it still is the weirdest thing that I've ever seen.'' She couldn't explain that the need to keep the room sterile prevented her from bringing in a television set. ''Maybe tomorrow,'' she said gently. ''I don't think we have one right now. I'll see about finding one.'' They looked at each other, eye to eye. Then he dozed off. That happened again and again. Stephen had been alone on the plane because his mother and sisters had flown east from Chicago a few days earlier to spend Christmas with his aunt, but he had been delayed by a sore throat. When his parents arrived at the hospital, they were given a room nearby. Every hour, Stephen's father, William S. Baltz, vice president of the Admiral Corporation of Chicago, which made television sets, came to the room. Calmly, he leaned over his son. ''I remember how he was with Stephen, and how he was able to come in and talk to Stephen as if nothing was wrong,'' she said. ''I never saw him break down, and that was amazing. I didn't have children then, but you could just imagine.'' It was one of the longest nights of the year. The boy's breaths continued, and grayish light filtered in from the windows. Around 7 a.m., a doctor reappeared. Soon, the room was crowded. The administrators filed in. So did more doctors, students from around the hospital to see this unique case, and her own replacement. A feeling of euphoria came over Miss Stull. ''I felt wonderful, and he seemed more alert,'' she said. ''I decided, you know, he's going to make it. Three-quarters of your patients die in those midnight-to-8 a.m. hours. Everyone was quite surprised, even pleased, and they said it's beginning to look like things are settling down a bit.'' She headed back to her apartment. It was going to be a beautiful, clear winter day. Stephen Baltz died at 10 a.m.
America's worst disaster? Are you kidding? You should add "prior to 1978" in your title. What about September 1978 in California with 144 fatalities, May 1979 in Illinois with 271 fatalities, July 1982 in Louisiana with 153 fatalities, Aug 1985 in Dallas with 137 fatalities, Aug 1987 in Michigan with 156 fatalities, September 1994 in Pennsylvania with 132 fatalities, July 1996 in New York with 230 fatalities, and of course the terrorist attack in September 2001 in New York? These crashes in 1956 and 1960 were not America's worst airline disasters.
9/11 should never be reckoned as an airline disaster; it was a terrorist attack and planes were simply the weapon of choice. Airline disasters come from proper use of aircraft gone wrong, whether from pilot error, mechanical failure, or other causes.
I was 7 living in suburb of Chicago at the time of the NYC crash. I remember TV was interrupted and they put on a "crawl" of the names of the dead from the Chicago plane on the news. I could be wrong but it *seemed* like they did that late the same day of the event; I remember my house was very solemn when that accident happened. My Dad was a designer for Sears and flew a lot - there was concern he might've known someone on that flight. 📺
The older generations were like that. My Dad was a WWII vet. I remember during Vietnam, he would watch the news nightly. When the dead were announced, you better not make a sound. He was going through the names with a pen and paper in hand. If he recognized a name--you can bet that a call was being placed to 411 or to HQMC (Head Quarters Marine Corps). I grew up hating that conflict because I didn't understand it, and could not figure out why it had to impact our lives at home. Now I just despise conflict. (Yes, I too, spent 22.5 years in the USMC).
I'm so glad to live in an era of technology such that, if an aircraft calls "approaching preston" and is in fact past preston, approach can see that accurately and say "no you're not, fly heading 090 vectors for traffic"
I really like this channel videos. They are great. But it made me wonder how, in the 1950s, they were able to say that both airplanes deviated from the same cloud? Was there CVR in 1954?
I found out by happenstance that I had a 2nd cousin who was a flight attendant on the UAL plane that crashed in Park Slope. A couple of years ago I was visiting my grandparent's grave when I noticed a headstone a few feet away with a picture of a jet airplane etched into it (an unusual thing that caught my eye), and she had a familiar family-related last name. I was in the midst of doing family research at the time, and found out who she was and the circumstances. It happened before I was born, so never heard anyone mention it. Stumbling upon this video is kind of a coincidence. I wasn't really looking for it, just came up on the sidebar when I was looking at another video.
For the 1956 crash: The United plane depicted is a DC6, not a DC7. The TWA plane depicted is a Constellation 749, not a Super Constellation 1049. The liveries of both planes are wrong for 1956.
For the Grand Canyon crash, a magazine of that era (Popular Science maybe?) demanded that aircraft be in radio contact with Air Traffic Control for the entirety of their flight.
Nice video🥺👍 plane collisions are very sad... I must think on the 1.7.2002 where over Überlingen a DHL Boeing 757 and a Tupolev Tu154M from Bashkirian Airlines collide🥺 I have a Idea for a New Video... can you made in the next time TANS Peru 204?
Actually a young boy that was on that plane that crashed in Brooklyn was alive but later died at hospital also was to leave a week early but waited to get over a cold bad luck.
For the time. IIRC there was the American Airlines crash at O'Hare, also. 9/11 was deliberate, so for at least a few really bloody-minded people, it was _awesome._ Our actions of retribution afterward helped spread Islamic Fundamentalism in the Middle East, long term. Just noting.
RIP to all, it's how we invented the most efficient safest system for the whole world today, and we'll take it with us into space. A ghreat way to honor those who paid the ultice for our convenience today. As an aviation enthusiast, it sad to lose those beautiful Super Connies. They're a crown jewel of aviation.
