American .300 Blackout vs Russian VSS Vintorez - Suppressor Showdown 

Thanks for watching guys! So which one of these guns would you rather have? Let me know down in the comments! Thanks to Mat Best for hanging out, you can his channel here: ru-vid.com If you want to check out LAS Concealment, here’s the link: lasconcealment.com?sca_ref=546627.lPTxp6fPPk

Impressive, very nice. Let’s see Paul Allen’s subsonic ammo

Video was too quiet, can’t hear the gunshots

Brandon: Sound isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Also Brandon: Throws sound meter at AK.

I'm no gun person. But the VSS is one of the coolest guns in existence. Thanks STALKER.

The sex appeal on the VSS is unmatched

10:26 Demo explained that in a video. The first shot with a suppressor is always louder because of the oxygen built up in the suppressor, so the first shot will get rid of all the oxygen and then make the nexts shots quieter.

That "first round pop" (from the bolt-action) is caused by more oxygen being in the barrel than the follow-up shots. Edit: If you want to fill your barrel with Co2 look up a "Gallo Drain Gun" and use that to remove the oxygen. You can then seal your system by chambering a round and taping the other end. Some suppressors also support sealing with a "wipe".

If a suppressor hasn't had a round fired for a period, it will in fact be louder due to atmospheric oxygen burning inside. After its been shot the residual gasses help reduce the atmospheric oxygen inside so followups will be quieter

I read that as ".300 Blackout Russian VSS Vintorez" and I thought I was about to watch an unbelievably cursed caliber swap.

Brandon: Sound isn’t real, it can’t hurt you. Deaf people: *Puny mortal*

Crazy how Brandon uploading can drastically change your day for the better

Original VSS' silencer have only 3 deflectors because of resonance and standing wave effect. The deflectors are at the right distance, it is easy to calculate, because the soundwave from a subsonic bullet is harmonic! It's not to easy as seems :)

That first round pop is because there's still oxygen inside the system. When you fire off the 1st shot it will ignite along with whatever propellant, making more noise. The second shot is quieter because there's less oxygen in the system to ignite because of the gas exiting the system

Personally, I love that VSS's look. Just so simple and clean looking, very minimalistic functional. I'd still love to have that Rattler though for personal normal use.

I was definitely not expecting a dankula edit, but for sure is a welcome surprise

An interesting fact about the Val is that the cartridge and supressor were designed not only to supresss the sound, but also to create vibrations that our hearing aids are less able to perceive. The sound of the shot itself is still relatively loud, but we react worse to sounds in this range.

The VSS is just a classic looking firearm in addition to being pretty unique to boot so while the 300 is clearly the practical choice, the VSS takes all of the style points.

9x39 is one of the few rounds that makes 300blk look cheap and available!

These rounds give a whole new meaning to “suppressive fire” lol.

VSS for me wins the looks. It looks unique, simple, and i love the AK platform.

The VSS just has that old world charm. Like it's been around a while and knows what it's doing. Rattler looks like it's the new hotness, probably runs well, is engineered for more specific scenarios, but i still say the VSS just has that sexy shape.

The first round is always gonna be louder in a suppressor because of the oxygen that gets burned thats in the suppressor. After the first shot there is no oxygen left to be burned so it muffles more. There are plenty of other videos that explain this better than what Im saying. But you get the idea.

Referring to this as scientific makes me want to see a 5hr livestream of Garland Thumb and Paul Harrell testing ammunitions rifles from WW2 and Korean War Era.

but can the .300 blackout hunt bloodsuckers?

Brandon: Sound doesn't actually exists Veterans: Then we don't actually have tinnitus

Ive always loved the look of the AS Val and VSS Vintorez, so they are clear "Winners" for me.

can we take a second to appreciate matts attention to his muzzle direction in the beginning when showing off the rattler, chef's kiss

It feels so wrong to see vintorez without its signature scope

10:03 its called a supressor pop, happens when taking first shot, while the oxygen is still in the device. Next shot is much more quiet. Becouse of the gunpowder, thats Just burned inside the supressor.

Aesthetically speaking, the Rattler is one of the coolest modern ARs, but the VSS is one of the most beautiful weapons in history imo

brandon im an nvh engineer and would love to do a complete spectral analysis using iso standards, Those sound meters are notorious for being inaccurate and need to be calibrated against a reference tone and pressure, you can get extremely technical with sound pressure/power on something like ballistics

I love how Brandon got to find out that Decibels don't mean jack with suppressors lol

On why the first shot was louder, that's a phenomena called "First Round Pop" or FRP. Before you start shooting there's a lot of oxygen in the suppressor that is burned off by the first and second shot and replaced by burnt gas and it gets silent after that. To negate FRP you can spray an inert gas into the suppressor to replace the oxygen like a CO2/Nitrogen spray and some military guys shoot off a round into the dirt before going on mission and tape off the barrel to keep FRP to a minimum.

we need more collabs like this. I love my ARs but that VSS is a thing of beauty.

Brandon should build an integrally suppressed Hi-Point Carbine

Make sure you've calibrated your sound level meter before use. Also, you should try to set the scaling to dB-C on the instrument; it's much more accurate for impact noises.

what I learned from forgotten weapons is that the second and third shots are lower in volume because the expansion gases fill the barrel instead of air and due to their nature supress better than the air that was here on previous shot

I still can't believe Brandon, an SOT, didn't make his VSS full auto. Truly a tragedy

vintorez for sure, I love how integrally suppressed looks with the thick "barrel"

The VSS is an incredible rifle. You barely hear it when shot outside

The 300BLK technically came out in the early 90s and was originally called 300 whisper. I am willing to bet that the rattler was running in the low 900fps with that super short barrel.

The boost in confidence I get whenever Brandon calls me a “Sexy RU-vid mother lover” is indescribable with words.

A sound meter for measuring firearms needs a rise time of 20 micro seconds or less, and 160,000 sample rate to meet the mil standard.

Man I would have loved to see just a simple 3A armor setup with ballistic gel behind it... Feel like you could have shelled out for that to test these two amazing cartridges. Also, decibels are measured exponentially, just by the by

From somebody who works with sound and sound measuring let me tell you: A decent decibelmeter that works good and can actually be used to measure for example workplace noise etc. costs upwards of 4k$ and needs to be calibrated every year.

If anyone is curious, the sound meter is not working for guns because gunshots are really loud and they are really quick. Most of the OSHA meters are trying to make sure something is under 130 dB as that is the usual limit in the United States, and it takes an average of the pressure over several seconds to register the constant but it does not sample fast enough to actually register the peak of the pressure wave. They can be somewhat useful to give relative ratings, so if you put a sampler the same distance and orientation from the muzzle of two guns then it will tell you which one is probably louder, but how much louder it is still cannot be trusted. There is absolutely no way to convert or translate those readings to actual accurate numbers. Most of the time dB ratings are worthless anyway and virtually all of the advertised levels for silencers are lies, and I say that as a design engineer for a silencer manufacturer that has published some obviously incorrect dB ratings. I still give a manager grief for publishing the dB level he got on his iPhone in the product launch announcements. "Really, you think its a 78 dB reduction? You think you invented the quietest silencer in the world on your first try?? Oh wait, our good meter says it is only a 12 dB of reduction, weird! I wonder which one is correct, given the ringing in my ears???" Daily reminder that just because someone does something for a living it doesn't mean they have any idea what the *F* they are talking about. Anyway, while the military does have an official standard of testing for how loud a gun is, usually manufacturers are not using that standard when testing (if actually testing at all). If you want legit levels hire a reputable sound engineer for a day or drop $3-5k on a forensic sound meter designed specifically for gunshots.

11:53 That poor AK was so happy to be considered worthy of a spot on the gun wall, it didn't realize the responsibilities that come with it...

The louder first shot is always going to happen. The baffles don’t have the gasses from the rounds initially. But after the gasses fill up the can, it’s definitely quieter

For a self defense or primary weapon, I'd choose the rattler. As a collector or cool factor I'd choose the vss.

Excellent dank cameo. AKG AND COUNT DANKULA CROSSOVER!

“360 no scope!” *turns 180 degrees*

3:49 The bottle starts spraying and the guy still focuses on the rifle by putting it on safe, you can see his hand doing it. That's what i love to see, proper handling of firearms. Many people would be focused on the bottle and try to move, and maybe they would forget about the safety switch. And possibly they would end up in a Darwin Award video.

9x39 is definitely my favorite soviet cartridge. The SR-3M is one of the coolest guns that uses it too.

If that VSS still has no fun switch then its a wasted opportunity.

That sound that the VSS Vintorez makes is INSANE! It sounds like something you might here in a Hollywood movie! In fact, it's the closest sound to a Hollywood sniper rifle or silenced rifle I've ever heard!

One of my anti-gun friends… So well played.

Brandon, as scientist myself, i can tell you there are sounds you can't hear that are loud. Called ultrasounds. They have high frequency, human ear can't hear it, but some animals can, dogs, bats etc. Just as you can't see ultra-violet or infra-red light. Maybe you got wrong settings on the device.

I think we all know that feeling when you worked on something real hard to later realise it was all for nothing, and that Brandon had such moment we can all find ourselves in

Brandon Herrera is the only man in flip flops that I respect

I gotta disagree with Matt, the VSS has a rustic charm to it, especially with wood furniture and the blackened steel body. But to be fair, looks don't mean much, I'll take .300 blackout any day of the week just for convenience.

Haven’t finished watching, but right off the bat at 1:05 , massive difference in recoil and follow up shots.

Dont worry Brandon, I still enjoyed this episode to its fullest extent. Every time you upload it brings a smile to my face, thanks for uploading!

Brandon: remember kids, always follow the gun safety rules Also him at the montage:

The blow up on the decibel meter.... that is my whole day right now. Thank you so much Brandon for helping me feel less alone in my current frustration!!!😂

I especially loved the part where Brandon literally yeeted a decibel reader across the room at a wall full of guns.

I can definitely say. That decibel meter throw was subsonic.

I already upvoted for the Dank cameo, but: "America is awesome. If you don't agree with that, then you probably had oil in your country at some point" deserves a second one. :D :D :D

I'm an AR guy and I love the look of the Rattler, but the VSS is just such a unique and iconic piece I'd say it wins the sex appeal competition

the reason why the first shot was louder on Matt's rifle is because there still was oxygen in the barrel system

The air inside the can needs to burn on the first round, still sending out more noise. The second and third round will be quieter.

I learned from matt: the first shot with a silencer is always little bit louder cuz there is oxygen in the silencer and after the first shot thats gone(burned) and thats the reason its much quiter😊

10:15 According to DemolitionRanch, the first shot through a supressor is louder because of the amount of oxygen present... Since most of the "barrel" IS the supressor on that gun, and the cover was screwed on just before the first shot, it would be louder than the following shots by that logic. But you'll have to contact/ watch DemolitionRanch for the specifics. (I just watched a fairly new video with Nicholas Iriving where this was mentioned by Matt 🙂)

Love hearing the rounds impact the dirt. Sounds just like a cod hit marker

90+ degrees out and Brandon still out here cutting glass...

The bolt action was the quietest, followed by the VSS, that came across pretty clearly on my end. Still a great video and informative!

I suspect the sound meter was in metric, and the guns were firing in imperial units.

Well the sig is like a sedan, you can just buy it anywhere and the VSS is like a rare car you have to restore its one of a kind.

Brandon never disappoints, but the decibel reader does

Your t-shirt with "стопхам" is as awesome as this video ))

I love the joke about Matt being anti-gun, because, well, he is, haha.

12:44 If the handguard extended over the suppressor on the MCX it would look sexier than the VSS, but in it's current configuration, the VSS wins hands down

VSS wins by far in the looks department, there's just something classic about it that the Rattler will never have.

I just built a 10 inch .300 blackout... went with a vortex holographic with 3x magnifier cost me about 2200 to put it together.... and I love the gun I got a OSS suppressor I run on it and it runs amazing!!!

05.56 minutes into video: Mat screams to test decibel meter, Brandon actually jumps and get startled. Shit has me dying 10/10 content

Damn Brandon looked like he was gunna have a gamer moment, but he made it over that bridge intact. Good job.

I've never clicked on video so fast. Brandon this is the content we want and love!

Had to Smash the Like Button just for the presence of MBestix! Also smashed it for suppressors no matter if they're thread on or integral because well like I told your girlfriend, Silence is Golden and Duck tape is Silver.

AS VAL has the appeal, especially with that "29" round mag

Remeber how great it was to find this weapon in Stalker. Even remeber how my friend from Donesk showed me where to find it in the game...Who would have thought that in 15 years this friend of mine would be using the same weapone as a soldier of DNR reconnaissance company in Mariupol...By the way, he says it's a nice gun. He even bought a new optics for it.

Every time Brandon hits the steel is like hearing a cash register ding.

I don’t know if they wrote about it here or not. VSS has special armor-piercing cartridges. They are not at all like regular VSS ammo. Even visually they differ from all other armor-piercing cartridges. These cartridges were created to penetrate body armor. Real shooting with VSS occurs up to 300 meters, after which the bullet flies down. One of the features of the muffler is that they tried to make the sound of a shot as similar as possible to the noise of the environment, and after a certain number of meters it simply cannot be heard (perhaps after 100). But this weapon was created for special forces; ordinary military personnel do not have it. There is also a special automatic rifle AS based on the VSS. Once I saw someone shoot from it at night - there was no flash from the shot either.

hi Brendan, out of these three guns, I liked the RPG-7 thanks for the video and greetings from Russia

Having a MPX, I would take the MCX. I would definitely take the can too, if ran in the 90 db range. Thanks Brandon and Matt for a great video!

I legit feel the pain using the meter. I would be angry to spend that kind of money and find it doesn't do anything. But hey, we understand bro. That's something! =D

Love the VSS, all day! 300BLK is pretty cool; very easy to come by and looks good. The VSS is just badass. 9x39 is super hard to come by here in CT (because we are a great, gun-hating state), and the gun itself is nearly impossible to find. Awesome video as always!

Brandon's break down over the decibel reader is one of the most relatable things I've ever seen.

Nice on him for giving the Leupold one of their only LCO purchases.

That VSS is a beautiful piece of work... Would love to get the chance to shoot one day...

“You probably had oil in your country at some point” Had me laughing.