AMERICAN MOLOSSUS: RECREATING AN ANCIENT DOG BREED 

You know a breed is already screwed when it clearly has a number of health issues from the start.

Where are the depictions of ancient mastiff-like dogs that had excessive wrinkling, barely-visible eyes, and structure such as what you want to create? How is this a "recreation"? The ancient mastiff-like dogs looked absolutely nothing like this. The current Neapolitans that are winning in the show ring look nothing like their working counterparts. They are LESS functional and have the potential to suffer from more health problems.

The most incredible trait of a sociopath, is their complete lack of conscience, lack of empathy, remorse, guilt or shame. This is one of the hallmark traits of the sociopath.

It's great to focus on a look, and try to do something like visually recreate the molossus, but please select first and foremost for health and longevity. We don't need more dogs that need to be put down at 7 years old because their body has failed.

Dogumentry TV is my favorite channel. I have alarm set so I can watch as soon as the drop. I like when you have well informed, educated individuals speaking on various aspects of what I love, Dogs. That being said,this individual does not meet your standards.

I love Usa. You can “invent” hot water and put a trade mark on it... Sir you are at least 200 years in late. Riddiculous

Unless you've recovered and resurrected DNA from the extinct Molosus, it's not possible to recreate an ancient Molosus.

Your dogs you are talking about can not run they barely can walk that's sad what your are talking about 😡

Marcus Curtis is the reason I started learning about Neopolitan Mastiffs... I had originally wanted an American Bully, but once I saw the direction and massive breeding issues, I decided to move to a larger more challenging breed. Ive only started learning about Neopolitan Mastiffs in the last year, and now discovered the American Molossus... I cannot wait to learn more. Thank you soo much, Mr. Curtis, you are an inspiration!

I don't like this. That dog looks like suffering and uncomfortable.

Why are people so obsessed with the way dogs LOOK. How about a breed that has no standard for it's physical appearance - but a standard for its happy, healthy, athletic, gentle, outgoing nature?

Nice video i cant wait to see how this new breed turns out because i always love the bigger breeds of dogs better,what is his contact information

where can I find one of these?

I feel like I'm waiting for that new mixtape to drop! Cant wait to see this breed.

OOOOhhhh I get it, this came out on April fools. Makes sense now

Are they athletic/agile or are you just going for look? How soon will they suffer from joint problems?

How long does this breed live??? Amazing dogs!!

How can we get a hold of him , if intrested in a pup ??

This breeder has some mental health problems

great video

like do you have an website

From what he was just talking about sounds wonderful, and sometime crossing the breds, has helped with health problems of many different pure bred dogs. He sounds like he knows what he is doing, and his love of the dogs will give him the drive to bring back an ancient dog. I can't wait to see the first ones.

Molossus was the dog of the legion, their closest relative today is the cane corso, not Neapolitan mastiff. Imagine a cane corso that is two/half times the size, of solid muscle. Incredible speed, stamina, intelligence, and a ridiculous bite. They literally were known for dragging Carthaginians off the battle field, in full armor, and ripping them to shreds. This guy has lots of work to be done, one year is not nearly enough.

I have a English bulldog and hes ace,but to see one of these would be nice could you show some of your product please

can we see the dogs , not just this fool on camera during the whole entire video...

can we see him chase a ball or something more active looks cool but is it functional can it do the job you describe hope to see more on this very interesting

Because what the world needs right now is a dog that is bigger, wrinklier and more fearless than the current Neapolitan Mastiff! Let's make a molossus a colossus! Yep, let's take something that is already right-royally fucked up and make it more fucked-up! It's the idea of an AKC Neapolitan Breeder, Marcus Curtis, who specializes in what he calls Old World Mastinos - essentially the most exaggerated Neapolitan Mastiffs you are ever likely to see. And now he wants to take it further. If you suffer from hypertension, it might be better to not watch.

Great video good bro zeke your a knowledgable dog guy really love you videos bro. I'm still waiting on the Caucasian shepherd and some shutzhund videos

Amazing videos, great quality! and this vids about this breed made me just research about this kind of breed. is amazing! keep up the good work!

Great video man. Don Vito is a majestic looking dog.. And just asking do you know why some neos aren't as wrinkled as others? Cause Marcus makes some really good neos and Ive seen other neos and they look more like a bull mastiff crossed with a neo.. I'm just trying to say that Marcus has some of the greatest neos ever haha Good job bully bad ass TV!. Always killing it..

For height and movement have you ever though about the still in existence ancient breeds such as he Kangal, or Boz Shepherd? Or maybe the Central Asian Ovcharka for body and health? I would think the Neapolitan Mastiff (for it's heavy dewlaps and thick skin), Kangal (for it's height and movement and courage), and Boerboel (for it's power and heavy skull) and the Boerboel is not a wanderer and it's prey drive is linked to the owner's/handler's interests.

when?

Basically what I heard is he wants is a well tempered Neopolitan mastiff. I have seen some over the years do everything he mentioned and didn't need to be mixed!

Absolutely beautiful

I wonder if he's thought about incorporating Great Dane into the breeding program in order to add height and great vision... Maybe Boerbel to increase construction and agility... Neos are diluted replicas of the Great War mollossers of old...

Please do shows about the Caucasian Ovarchka, the Kangal and the Fila Brasileiro

Wow i love it

Good Job

I can't wait to see this ancient pooch! I can tell he is very dedicated as a breeder... good luck!

U have taken on a huge task that I find Fascinating and wish you the best of luck.I hope these dogs being an American breed. Breed true generation after generation. Not an easy task. Ask any Bandogge breeder but not impossible as it has been proven throughout the history of Mankind. Good luck. I hope you create not only a dog that breeds true but also is very healthy dog and lives 10 -12 years as we know super big dogs except the Tosa don't have long life spans.

the closest thing i have seen so far that resembles the ancient neos was a neo x presa

Does Anyone How A Person Can Come Up With Their Own Breed And Have It Certified On Papers?

I'm a little confused, here, what I see is a Mastino Napoletano, I also was reading the standard of the American Molossus and except for the weight its the same of the Mastino Napoletano. Maybe I miss something here...

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im curious on the dogs temperament and workability rather than looks.

cool dog i just worry about skin conditions ... awesome stuff

i breed napolitan mastiff . you got a great dog. put my name in the list to buy one.

Old world Mastinos Og mastiffs what my partner just started to breed from Mexico

Zeke, I'm truly honored to be featured on your channel. Your work is unique and fantastic. I'm super excited to see someone dedicate their time and talent to provide such great insight for others on different breeds. Excellent work. I am grateful for your work on this and honored to have you as the first to open this new breed up for the public. God bless you brother.

LOVED THIS VID I LOVE THE IDEA OF BRINGING BACK DOGS FROM THE PAST!!!plus i just love the idea of making new breeds in general as long as it adds health and a longer life span to the dogs made. hope to see more on this subject in the future!!! mad love to BBATV for keeping shit real!!!

Man simply can not recreate what once was. Those bloodlines are no more and never will be again. These dogs will never be what their ancestors where. Even the Neapolitan Mastiff are not what they where 100 years ago. I wish this guy well in his program but I hate it when people say they are recreating a dog ( it's simply not possible). What happens to all the extra puppies that don't get chose for the breeding program ?

what are the lifespan of these dogs again??

This is amazing 😍❤️❣️

I love the old Mastiffs.. if I had the space and $ I would get one, I love all their qualities. Also love The Old English Mastiff. It is from the Old English Mastiff, that we have all the mastiff breeds.

so your basically going to make a bunch of mutts till you get the exact dog your looking for?

Hi my name is KING, and I want to say that I really appreciate your dedication also the dogs that you are looking to make, if u ever have or I say when you have them ready to go I'll be waiting for one maybe two!I've been trying to find your info but cannot, again keep up the good work and hopefully, I'll see you soon God bless.

That is amazing!

iv got presas and im looking forward on this dog, please keep me posted

what happen if you corso/neo

did you pay attention to the health issues of new breed you are making? there are allot of dog breeds out there

? There's 2 types of molossus breeds. The Neo is the ambush/guardian style and the Cane Corso is the tracker/scout version. Not sure what he's talking about.

I can't believe how massive their jowls are...don't they make breathing and some head movements uncomfortable?

Funny that,, having dogs "on the ground". They are usually seen flying through the air , or at the tops of trees.

Bruh it’s like when u get dried Pokémon fossils and bring it back

Crossbreeding English Mastiffs with Neapolitan Mastiffs for the purpose of achieving a Larger Dog {Molosser} that has the Olde World Look and size of the Extinct Mesopotamian Molosser Fighting War Dog thereby "resurrecting" it through two large Purebred Canines? The Dog looked like an XXL Neapolitan Mastiff that got its increased size from the Mastiff DNA along with the Brindle coat. Neapolitan Mastiff on the outside, and English Mastiff on the inside.

thi is a nice dog. hey zeke it would be nice if you made a video of the molloso presa de mayo concept dog.

am very interested in the dog breed and what it will come out let me know a price and I'm willing to buy the first generation of this stuff from what I heard this looks to be what I am looking for in a dog for home protection and just a good all-around dog

From what I have gathered about the molassus, the current breed that is closest is the English Mastiff. Nothing against the neopolitan Mastif but he probably should have started there.

tosa x neo x English mastifff x kangal x pitbull job done lol

the guy is basically just breeding Neapolitan mastiff swi.

The guy looks like Alvarez from Sons of Anarchy and Mayans MC.

I want one

I actually have dreamed about it for some time now. I have often thought about it more in the shape of a modern bandog molosus. Creating basically a Canis Pugnax or something like that. For me, It would be a dog with the general shape of prey molosus like the Pampa Argentino, the Cane Corso and the Presa Canario but having the mass of a Neapolitan Mastiff, Boerboel, Tibetan Mastiff, the broad chest of the Bulldog and American Bully and the height of a Great Dane, an Alabai, an Aksarai Malaklisi or an Irish Wolfhound. Therefore, I would Use the breeds of this list: Cane Corso Alabai Neapolitan Mastiff Boerboel Great Dane American Bully XL English Bulldog English Mastiff Presa Canario Pampa Argentino I'm sure your project would use more blood from heavy Mastiffs than mine and would favor the loose skin over a tight shape. I've seen the ancient molosus sculptures too and I would advice for the Use of mountain Molosus like the Tibetan Mastiff, leonberger, Caucasian Shepherd, Alabai and Saint Bernard to name a few. I guess that using a very broad spectrum of molosus that vome from those ancient breeds can enhance the traits that became diluted with time. And I would strongly advocate for the use of huge breeds, very strong breeds, very heavy breeds and breeds that are still being bred for protection against huge predators. Alabai, Caucasian Shepherd, Aksarai Malaklisi and Boerboel are the best examples I can think of. And finally, try to keep it in ancient breeds and breeds near the general Area between Central Asia and central Europe. That is where the most ancient civilizations appeared alog with the most ancient molosus breeds.

do you sell puppies

Neapolitans are still nice looking dogs and appreciate for what they look like now

Well, I just hope he really pays attention to the health of this new dog breed. When I see all these wrinkles on the face, around the eyes especially...that is literally calling for eye-problems and skin infections. That dog seems to be too lumbering as it walks...I doubt it could fight of a wolf or whatever. The wolf would make 10 circles around, till that dog would do one. With this massive body there will be no long life....heart-problems & twisted stomach will be often in this breed. Ancient or not....I doubt that, in the past, people cared about long life in dogs...since they would die due to injuries of fights with wild predators etc sooner than later. Maybe in 5-6 years, most likely a lot earlier. And their dogs gave birth 1-2 litters per year without any break...so new dogs where always coming. I understand the idea...though I doubt it is for the benefit of the dogs. Rather a breed that is closer of the body-type of the wolf, would be beneficial....since that is really were dogs come from. Well, imo anyway.

they made a movie (they kill theirs masters, in the 70s ) is time for a remake using this gods

There are 500+ pure breeds already existent and every category ( Mastiffs, retrievers, sheep dogs, cattle dogs, etc etc etc ) is well-covered. That being so, why is there any importance attached to creating a new breed?. A man must have a hobby, I suppose...

if you want the molossus you have to add bully kutta or look into it they claim lineage to said breed

How much do you think a puppy mollossus will cost?

It look like a mix of Napoleon Mastiff Boerboel. Bullmastiff even a Chinese Shar-Pei

GOOD LUCK BROTHER,A DOG LIKE THIS I WOULD HAVE IT AROUND MY FEWW ACRES OF LAND JUST TO PROTECT MY HOME N FAMILY

The Molossians were an ancient Greek tribe and kingdom that inhabited the region of Epirus since the Mycenaean .Hello from Hellas..the land of Mollossians people and their dogs!

The Napolitan mastiff is probably bigger than the dogs you want to recreate. First, in artistic representations from the past - and even today - what was considered strong and fierce was drawn bigger, so you cannot really judge the size of these dogs from their representation in carvings, paintings etc. Second, people were much smaller in these days: probably as small as you are, Marcus! But I don't think they had these dogs to replace what they thought they were missing in "manhood" and intimidating look. In any case, you would be better just buying a Corvette and carrying a big bad gun: now, you would be the man!

Put it into shape

This is kinda like the dire wolf project I think they are called American alistan

Aside from all the potential health issues associated with your chosen base breed, what about temperament? I ask because not only were the breed banned from the streets of Ancient Rome following many deaths, but the ancient celts of Britain (who not only repelled Rome's first attempts at invasion, but also fought alongside the very dogs Rome was so impressed by and took back for the arenas) bred their dogs as all purpose working dogs, responsible for guarding, hunting and also companionship. How do you plan to ensure the temperament matches the what we can tell of the original breed? This isn't a troll's rant but a genuine question from a keen dog enthusiast. Peace y'all

We just about have the tech to recreate one through genetic manipulation. Rather than breed characteristics, we could pick and choose. That could ensure any health issues may be eliminated.

If you are really detailed and realistic about what the ancient breed really was, and make them as healthy as possible, I agree with your attempt at recreating the breed. I understand there HAS to be some guesswork, since today breed standards are opinion-affected, so I would imagine ancient ingredients and standards would be a challenge to nail down. However, your work is no less important or unfounded than hundreds of other breeders yesterday and today; they had a vision and purpose and you do too. How is it okay for some breeders and not you? It's always worth looking into the ways people did things at any time in history-- especially the ancients-- when they had clear, less-nonsense mindsets.

"It isn't about the money." Pups are 5k

i hope you all understand the dog shown here is not the American Molossus its a Neapolitan Mastiff ........... its shown for example. i own a 145lb bullmastiff/neo extremely athletic can jump a 5 foot fence no problem only health issue is a food allergy and general sensitive skin .

You did a Mastino Napoletano

Neapolitan Mastiff*, is what I would get

Good luck, really I think you should speak to Mike Antonio Sottile jr, he can give you some great advice.

the original molosus is in south of albania they are very athletic and big paws search on google and fb

The dog you are trying to create already exists. It's called the Cane Corso. I would be embarrassed to have this giant, hairy, ballsack walking next to me.

A dog that can take on a lion one on one i find hard to believe... I have read this. Can't wait to see the end result. Best of luck

ps.those mastino napolitanos are small!!!! those ppl own arround here (Croatia) are A LOT bigger.when he sad they lack body size i was like wtf those are some of the massivest dogs arround.Are they smaller in us?

He is missing the Great Pyrenees

Sounds like a cool breed