The film U-571 really f**ks me off. In WW2 we managed to board a sinking u-boat and acquire an enigma machine. This film totally claims it was the Yanks it's hollywood licence to the extreme.
Yep its was British who cracked the code. BTW electronic computers were invented by the British during WWII while trying to crack the enigma code but itcwasnt until they acquired an enigma machine coukd they crack it.
Yeah and it was the yanks who liberated France! Not a mention of the fact the there were more Brits/Canadians who landed on D Day and even less notice taken that the commanders of the navy, airrforce and actual invasion forces were British. Even my French friends believe all this American propaganda. Don't get me wrong, nothing could have been done without the Americans but, then again, nothing could have been done without the British. It was truly an allied operation.
Of course it is. When Apple pie was being eaten in Tudor and Stuart England, America didn't exist. So, unless Native Americans made it, there is no argument.
Apple pie is not uniqely british though. I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans got it from you though! I mean, you even defined their language (although the French made a try at it too).
@@herrbonk3635 well of course America got it from England. English protestants came over in the Mayflower. Their families and ancestors had been making it for centuries. And I have no doubt that early French settlers in Quebec also brought their version over from their homeland as well.
@@brianbarcroft9167 I wasn't thinking of Quebec. There were people speaking French in the USA (like some still do in New Orleans or Lousiana). Lots of Germans, Dutch, Scandinavians, Italians, etc. too, as you know.
Just imagine, civilizations around the world were cooking and eating all that time and you’re surprised that apple pie was being enjoyed back then. And bread. And beer. And countless other dishes roasted, stewed, baked and brewed. This, thousands of years before “America “ existed and you’re surprised?
Yup.... I once pointed out to a whole group of Americans on social media that almost every single part of their "cuisine" is originally from other countries and brought to the states by settles/explorers. They (predictably) denied every single one even though I could point them to proof and they could not do the same in response.
The biggest thing he missed out is the American national anthem. The star spangled banner is sung to the tune of an old English drinking song: To Anacreon In Heaven
@@seanscanlon9067 FYI: The tune of God Save the King (or Queen) has been used by over 10 countries historically and is STILL used as the National Anthem of Liechtenstein. Switzerland only stopped using it in 1961 !
While we're on the subject of things that were invented in the UK, I hate to break it but your constitution is based on our Magna Carta 1215 and the UK Bill Of Rights 1689. The US just copied our homework, but changed a few words to make it look like their own work.
Well, not the part of the Declaration of Indpendence that contains the following sentence about King Charles Great-Great-Great-Great- Grandfather, King George III. He rather objected to it. " A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."
@@Spiklething Many of the themes are similar, but the writing of Thomas Jefferson (in English, not in Latin as the Scottish document) remains one of the most inspirational words in modern humankind -- and has served as the inspiration for similar documents. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Still, there is no doubt, that the US. Declaration of Indepdenece is an anglo-saxon document rooted in the British legal, parliamentary, and emerging system of human rights.
@@eddihaskellHe wouldn't object because he wasn't a tyrant. Unlike the ruler of the USA's ally, France, he wasn't an absolute monarch: his powers and even his position as monarch (Act of Settlement 1701) were subject to the will of Parliament.
@@MrBulky992 Of course Jefferson and the framers of the Declearation of Indpendence knew that. However, King George did have the power to choose the Prime Minister and the major officers of his government- this power would slowly devolve towards the parties through the reign of Queen Elizabeth II, - who, after being iinformethat Macmillan -- and not Rab Butler had the support of the party by its grandees (it was not true), made a decision not to allow herself to be cajoled this way in the future (1957-). . King George was publically and overwhlimingly against granting representation rights for the 13 colonies in Parliament or self-governing rights to the colonies -- and had the letter threatening to hang colonial leaders in his name if they declared insependence. Actually, in Parliament, a large minority sympathized with the colonists.
It definitely is not American as the first mention of apple pie is in a cookbook from 1381 in the UK. In 1514 apple pie was mentioned in a Dutch cookbook. Funny how Americans think that hamburgers are American, they’re not they’re German, same with hot dogs, which are merely German Frankfurters and there are many more examples 😂😂
To be fair, the Americans did the turn the hamburger into something uniquely American: the beef patty. Plus the chilli dog was great fun for Americans due to the play on words.
@@binkwillans5138 Yeah, I'll grive seppos credit there since while the ground meat patty is german (and tbf, likely something that pre-existed the german hamburg steak), the modern concept of a burger with the topping of cheese, pickes between bread is an American thing. It's departed so far from the original it's like comparing chicago deep dish to italian pizza. Like sure, it might be pizza which did originate in italy, but the execution is so different it's fair to call it an American or at least Italian American food. But yeah, most classic American food is just British and other nationalities food re-branded slighly.
@@ericpeterson9110 Long before the hamburger, Northern Germany and Denmark had the Frikadellen (German) / Frikadeller (Danish). This is beef and pork patties, fried and served between bread and with pickles.
The “American pastime” of baseball is also British. We have both Welsh and British codes of baseball to this day, that evolved from rounders. And we also have the American code. All very similar but with differences. And the “father of baseball” is a Yorkshireman, called Harry Wright, from Sheffield, who was very much involved in the first professional club, the Cincinnati Red Stockings. A player on his team was Albert Spalding, who went on to fake the Doubleday myth, to claim the sport was created in America, even though he knew Wright personally, had travelled to the UK with him and seen British codes first hand… but that wouldn’t help him sell his wares, would it?
@@BernardColbran well, kind of. There were multiple stick and ball games, both regional and local, such as stool ball. The first reference to “base ball” was in British printed texts and also there were early references to it in Germany etc. It is interesting that people in USA genuinely believed the ‘New York rules’ or ‘American baseball’ really was invented in USA, despite many of the early professionals being British or Irish born, or German immigrants etc. And that so many ancient bat and ball games were well documented, and existing games such as cricket, rounders, British baseball rules etc all clearly sharing roots with those archaic games. Many of the “fathers of baseball” were British, and are literally in the ‘Hall of Fame’ at the totally fictitious ‘home of baseball’ at Doubleday Field. So random!
Your accent can't be closer to the "British" accent in the 18th century as there wasn't "A" British accent then. Rather there were many British accents, and still are.
I think he's referring to the idea that modern British non-rhotic accents might sound further from the English of the time than American, although I suppose they branched off from each other at the same time, just in different directions.
@@agiliteka West Country accents are much closer to how people spoke in (much of) England back then than any American accent is. It's a myth with a very tiny kernel of truth which is misinterpreted and overblown.
A1 refers to the condition of a ship below the water line is rated a,b,c and above the water line is rated 1,2,3, so A1 is the highest standard of ship condition. The term has been used for cars, steaks etc as an alagory of quality.
The first immigrants to America came from various European countries, not just Britain. All of these countries made some sort of apple pie, so it's not absolutely concrete that the American apple pie is descended only from the British version. Quite apart from that, hamburgers were named after a beef patty that did originate in Hamburg Germany. Hot dogs also probably come from a German source.
They dont contain anything but sugar and apples. Reason, cinnamon and other spices used in an apple pie, cloves etc. were too expensive except for royalty etc. That's why the British version is so bland, unless you were part of nobility etc. Spices didn't become accessible for common people till relatively quite recently when tea became a thing during the industrial revolution and alot of the ships carrying tea would carry spices too as these would fetch a premium in Europe. Even though Britain has access to such spices now they forgot to put them into their apple pies. Why I prefer the US ones.
@@Thenogomogo-zo3un Those same spices were being used as far back as the 1300s and were available even if many couldn't/didn't use them. And surely the flavour should be FROM THE APPLES, who wants a pie that only tastes of cloves or cinnamon rather than apples.
Just to add another one, the tune to your national anthem was also stolen from England, it was a drinking song from the ARACNEONTIC SOCIETY, a men’s drinking club.
Of course applie pie is British! So is Cheddar Cheese, Roast Beef and Roast Lamb Sunday Dinner with those little crisply roast potatoes in the drippings, sandwiches, fried crispy fish with big fries that your granny used to make (no one can duplicate her fried fish btw and she was not British :)), Roast Turkey (even though it is an American bird, the first roast turkey dinners at Christmas were popular in London in 1573), and fried chicken (Scotland).
@@jakeoliver9167 An English visitor has described the sandwich being eaten in the Dutch Republic of the 17th century, and that was only note worthy because they were eaten sitting on the grass, by some of the richest people in the world at that time.
The King featured is Edward VII son of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. He reigned from 1901-1910. As dictated by primogeniture, he was first male son of the monarch, so he became king not his elder sister Princess Victoria aka Princess Vicky. As for apple pie I Iove it, but I am lazy and tend to make apple crumble instead!😊😊😊
You need to add spices to it, just opening a can of pumpkin and putting it in a pie crust and baking it, is a big No, it says on the can to add, cinnamon,nutmeg and pumpkin spice to it.
I love pumpkin pie! It is wonderful, and it tastes sort of like gingerbread cookies or egg nog. The person who says you need to add spices like ginger, nutmeg, cloves, cinamon, etc. is right but it is a key part of our USA and I assume Canadian (October) Thanksgiving feasts.
It tastes of whatever bucketload of spices they added plus the odd hundredweight of sugar (have US friends who make pumpkin pie, they all taste differently as they all use different spices,) remove the spices and it's tasteless.
@@anthonynoblett952 not really they sailed from plymouth but weren't largely from that area, though the Cornish were reknowned seaman, I'd suggest the Irish and Scots, with the potato famine and the Highland clearances defined a lot of the accents, but hell throw in the Italians Spanish and French who were there in the formative years
The flax mill in Ditherington, Shrewsbury, Shropshire was the first iron framed building in the world. It was built in 1797 and is sometimes referred to as "the grandfather of skyscrapers". This paved the way for skyscrapers and the first one was built in Chicago in 1884
You can bet that there are only a few products that are actually from America. The reason is due to the fact that America, as well as being a young country, was overrun with settlers from all over Europe.
As a northern English child living on the North West coast ( ie as close the the Isle of man and Ireland as you can get We used to carve turnips at halloween and were shocked later in life to discover this wasn't some they they did in the south...Our northern ways were actually close to the Vikings who invaded our shores
As a Devon born child in the 1950s, living in the countryside, mangel wurzels (turnips), used for cattle fodder, were carved for halloween lanterns. So not only northern, but also the south west. Check out 'Punkie Night' in Somerset.
That's why the phrase "as American as apple pie" should mean you're not American at all (rather than the opposite) since apple pie predates America by several centuries, whoever invented it as there's records in several countries in Europe for it from around a similar period.
I see your point although does something being American have to mean it was invented there? Could it mean that the country has adopted it as part of their own cultural identity over time? Not trying to be smart btw, it’s a genuine question- because I’m thinking about us Australians and the Aussie meat pie. We identify with that as strongly Australian, it’s sold in every petrol station, bakery and supermarket and arguably our most popular food. But I know it came from the UK. The Italians likewise identify with pasta, but noodles of course came from China. What do you think?
@@bloodclaat correct but I’m not going to go into the history of both right here, the point is obvious lol (ie both noodles and pasta came from China) ..
There was a secret experimental radar station on top of the mountain next to my house in Snowdonia, Wales, during WWII. Radar isn't great at low level, which is why you always hear pilots talking about low flying under radar, so they were working on a radar system for low altitudes, it was called Operation Blue Joker and it was a balloon mounted radar station, but from what I can make out because it was balloon mounted strong winds messed it up, and we get a lot of strong winds around here!
You will be surprised when you realise just how much you take for granted is actually from England . After all the the first English settlers went over on a ship called the mayflower ( i think that it's name) over hundred years ago
What you need to remember is the UK and Europe have been around so much longer than the USA, and many people have European heritage. Christmas is as American as apple pie, St Patricks day and the tune you sing along to the national Anthem.
Apple trees are quite interesting, our ancestors had a bit of a headache working out how best to propagate them as they cross-pollinate which means the pips in an apple aren't the same variety as the mother tree, so you can't just plant an apple seed and get the same variety as the tree the apple came from, it also means the amount of varieties in the wild is endless, so always worth tasting the apples of a wild apple tree if in the middle of nowhere as you might discover a delicious new variety. To propagate an apple tree you need to graft them i.e. cut branches off a tree of a known variety and graft them onto the rootstock of another apple tree, in fact using this method you can have one single tree which grows several different varieties at once, handy for people with small gardens.
@@brigidsingleton1596 Turkey ARE yuck -- but you might change your mind if you buy an all-natural free-range turkey this Thanksgiving, and not one of those frozen ones. I tried it (it is expensive) and it was a revelation. In the meantime, I have three huge 9 dollar Butterball turkeys in the freezer in Florida I need to cook from last November.
@@eddihaskell Thanks, but no thanks re turkey meat (poultry) ... I don't like it _at_ _all_ .!! ...And btw, I *don't celebrate Thanksgiving* * (*I've no need to, being a Londoner - UK resident*).
Apple pie (or appeltaart) was made in countries where apples grew (western Europe). It was made long before the recipe was printed in any book, so apple pie is not specifically English or British. The British were the first to put it in a book in 1390, but it doesn't say where they got the recipe from. History is known for getting origins wrong.
I imagine ships from Europe to America carried stores of apples for the journey, and literally plopped their seeds in the New World. But George IV was followed by his brother, William IV, then their niece, Victoria. She was (eventually) succeeded by her son Edward VII, then his son George V, and in turn, his sons, Edward VIII (who abdicated) and George VI. Then Lizzie (peace by with her).
As you are from New England, you more than likely have English ancestry. This means that your ancestors possibly brought things to America ( like recipes) when they became immigrants of the colonies.
I'm sitting here racking my brain for an actual American Dish! OK, so I went to Google and there are loads of dishes that Google purports to be American but alas..... Apple Pie from England Hamburger from.. er.. Hamburg, Germany. Frankfurter... er Frankfurt Germany. Pizza from Naples, Italy Spaghetti Bolognasè from Imola Italy Meatballs from Persia Sandwich from Kent England the Earl of Sandwich. Mac and Cheese Europe (Debatable where though) Roast Dinner (as in Thanksgiving) England Doughnuts Dutch BBQ from Prometheus, the second he gave man Fire there was someone waiting to throw Ribs onto the flame! You could, of course, claim the TV Dinner?
I'll give Americans that some of the foods you listed have been modified so heavily they are at least a majority American. The American style burger, chicago or NY style pizza, Texas BBQ etc are far enough from their origin points they are really their own food. Though still I'd call them Italian/American or German/American etc. As for pure American food though, I really cant think of much. Breakfast cereal, collard greens and hash browns possibly?
George lll, George lV, William lV, Victoria, Edward Vll, George V, Edward Vlll (abdicated became Duke of Windsor), George Vl, Elizabeth ll, hope this helps.
With regards to the claim that the American accent sounds like the old English accent, it’s more to do pronunciation. English used to have the rhotic R and short A that are used in much of the US today. Some areas of the U.K. have also retained that pronunciation. Places like Boston have the more modern British pronunciation using the non-rhotic R and the long A.
Only for those people who can't pronounce "Worcestershire'. However, you may be thinking of "Worcester" which is indeed pronounced ''wooster'. Just call the sauce 'Lea and Perrins' and be done with it 😛
They don't speak English now. It's a perverted, barsterdised version with words like gotten instead of got and humor instead of humour and faucet instead of tap.
@@Scooot1972 In that case, English is a perverted, barsterdised version of old Danish. 😇 Only much more so, because american is actually closer to 1700s English than is the strange noises we hear in London today.
@@herrbonk3635You'll struggle to find ANY English spoken in London these days. Up north is a different story where original dialects remain. There is more to England than London!
Actually, YES 😊 Although born in North West England, my father was Scottish. When Halloween came round, the family and neighbours would have a party. Apple bobbing, baked potatoes etc., but my dad would carve a turnip into a Jack O'Lantern... he showed my brother and I how to do it; when older and safe for us to use knives, we followed suit. They are very hard to carve and your hand aches... 😅😅😅
Worcestershire Sauce? That's swearing around these parts. Henderson's Relish all the way here, but it is kittle known throughout the UK. Yep, we kept it to ourselves en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henderson%27s_Relish
Your comment about accent at the beginning I have also heard elsewhere, something to do with the shift in vowel pronounciation in UK that hasn't occurred in the US. Linked to that, an Englishman, Cecil Sharp, was a collector of English folksongs. On a visit to the US he found that older versions of the songs had been preserved in the Appalacians.
You might like Shirley Collins' work, she's an English folk singer who's been around since the '50s. She's collected songs from across the UK and North America as well as writing her own music. This NPR Tiny Desk is a good introduction and she talks about some of the old songs she's found, how she found them and also performs them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n8SdsHsiZ7k.html
re languages. Unless you are able to converse daily with native speakers, it's impossible to speak it properly. I speak German fluently because as an army daughter with a German mother I picked up a few words from going shopping, then when I started work in a German coat factory, I was thrown in at the deep end and the German girls of my age chatted with me and corrected mispronunciations and wrong words. I'd taken German in school for 2 years. When I left school I spoke no more German than I did before I started the lessons.
The pie is, but as a general tart or just 'apples in pastry' it's been all over Europe for centuries. You find it in Germany (also as Strudel), in the Netherlands, in Scandinavia...many more. Of course England is the home of the Bramwell apple, but at 200 years old they're not that old in the grand scheme.
@@baronmeduse The latticing is said to be Dutch. But this is how the British go about these things, they look into in English sources, find the oldest English recipe and then conclude it was 'another' thing the British did first. Among the settlers in North-America there were English, so they have brought it over.
What he forgot to mention is that samhain in the Celtic world was probably brought there by the Vikings as it is very similar to their harvest fest. Over here in Sweden my father did carve lanterns with face on it and put candles in it in the early 50's . Then being told it was an ancient tradition. When I grew up in the early 70's it was almoste gone
I celebrated Halloween in North East England. It was jack shine a maggy though. Turnips with faces carved in them with a candle inside. And dressed up like a witch. Carving a turnip (a snarter) was hard work. Also we celebrated bonfire night with a guy. A human sized one. It was old clothes in the shape of a man filled with paper. Then we had a huge bonfire and burnt the guy on it (guessing guy fawkes?), Use to sit outside the local pub across the road from my house with the guy and people gave me money. Thats gone now. Never fireworks, just making absolutely massive bonfires.
Skittles started in the UK before being bought by wrigley’s. And the Monday night football theme was composed by a British guy for the UK version of Superstars a tv show that pitted people from different sports against each other.
Some places in England still pronounce the 'r' at the end of world like in the US and Ireland. It tends to be more rural areas and can be a 'farmers accent'. Areas or counties include, Devon, Cornwall, Somerset, Dorset, Herefordshire, Shropshore, East Lancashire, Suffolk, Norfolk. People in The Forest of Dean also spoke this way which I think is Glostershire.
The first official “baseball” game was in Canada in 1838. The Americans later made a few very minor tweaks but the game they play is the game invented in Canada (evolved from Rounders brought by UK immigrants).
It is funny when Americans realise that they took most of what makes them americans from the British lol. Like the starspangled banner is a British war song lol USA wrote the lyrics. Actually was a British colonist taken prisoner aboard a ship in harbour at one of the big battles we had where he wrote the lyrics, and stole the song lol I forget which battle but he was a POW.
The other half of things considered "American as apple pie" are German, I believe German is the largest self-reported ancestry group in the USA, more than English, Irish, African, Italian, Mexican etc. Frankfurters / hotdogs, hamburgers, pumpkin spice, pickles. In the 1890s there were more than 1000 German language newspaper publications in the US. So if something isn't British it's probably German.
@@hettispaghetti6061 Yeah that is true also. It's not a competition just funny that most americans do not realise it. German American's didn't stop them joining WW2 or on Hitlers side.
@@hettispaghetti6061 I wouldn't say there's more german ancestry in America than British though. Co's that is Englis Scottish and welsh. I wouldn't have thought there was more German ancestry than English but who really knows. Amish are german americans lol
@@hettispaghetti6061 You doget a lot of german names but you also get just as many English and scottish welsh names. But yeah not a competition. It's made up of the entire old world and others. Least multiculturalism works in America unlike Europe where it is destroying our culture
Samhain is shown in the game assadins creed valhalla. It is said that if damhain goes in your home you'll have lots of good luck , and the person who knocked on doors wore a ciws skull and a bear skin ,to disguise themselves .
I was looking for this comment. Fellow Geordie here and it winds me up whenever I hear Americans say that. They genuinly HAVE to try and claim theirs is the correct way for everything.
The American accent being closer to the old English accent is simply not true. The pronunciation of R after vowels has changed and in England we no longer have it while Americans do
My Gosh, a Brit that does not know king George IV did not live in Buckingham palace. It was not built yet. He lived in St. James’s Palace. The first resident in Buckingham Palace was his grand-daughter, Queen Victoria.
Actually Buckingham Palace was purchased by George III, and was used as a royal seat before it became the official residence in 1837... It was built in the 17th century by John Sheffield, Duke of Buckingham, hence the name.
I'd love to see a Monty Python-esque movie scene in an Anglos saxon tavern where they're served up apple pie to immediately go into a mass debate over who invented the apple pie.
First of your vids I ever had to bail out on before watching properly. Lost in the pond guy is an out of touch smart arse know nothing who’s been away from the UK for at least 15 years. Can’t stand him.
George IV was succeeded by William IV his younger brother. His niece was Victoria who came next. After Edward VII, Victoria's eldest son, was succeeded by George V whom is often forgotten about.
True - it's probably found wherever apples grow and pastry exists, I guess. Suffice to say that apple pie existed in Europe before America was discovered.
It's hard, if not impossible, to proof who exactly invented it, since records from mediäval times are anything but complete. Maybe somewhere in Europe, I wouldn't rule out the middle eastern region either.
Apple Pie covered with thick Birds Custard (Developed by Alfred Bird who was a Chemist in Birmingham GB in 1837) 👌mine you Cherry Pie wants some beating with either Custard or Vanilla Ice Cream, another nice one is Apple Strudel which originally came from Austria made with Apples and Raisins in Puff Pastry that ends looking like a sausage roll. 🧐
It was only in recent years that I learned the truth about pumpkin pie. I knew about them but since all of my pumpkin experiences had been savoury, I assumed the pie was as well. Then someone talked about it as a dessert and I was stunned! I’ve always eaten roasted pumpkin, or steamed pumpkin, as one of a few vegies with my meat. Then the news came that you all used canned pumpkin! There’s no such thing in Australia. We have such an abundance of different pumpkin types that it’s really cheap to cut a few chunks for roasting and even mashing. As easy as potatoes.
It doesn't matter whether its British or American to you - because you have a foot in both these parts of the World I believe. I am certainly happy to be among those who claim you as an honorary Englishman.
no the american accent is closer to the original LONDON accent, the queens english and london english changes constantly. thats because londons accents are the fastest changing, the lancashire and yoprkshiore accents are very similar to ho they always have been
My accent is the same as my great grandmothers accent was, east London. Cockney accent. BUT, I can’t understand the accent in east London now. It sounds nothing like mine.
This subject has been investigated in other RU-vid videos. Benjamin Franklin wrote in detail about his own accent and it can be gleaned that it bore little resemblance to modern day American accents. In fact, modern English and American accents have moved a long way from Shakespeare in both cases.
General American has however moved a lot further than the accents which informed it. As you say the regional accents English have remained similar for centuries.
Yes, we've touched on this before. The standard Britsh accent has changed over centuries And furthermore, there are regions in UK where the accent is not so far off an American accent. I usually tend to think of Bristol - where, for example, the local city of Bath is pronounced as you guys pronounce it, yet the "Barth" sound is used almost as soon as you leave the area.!
Apple pie is probably not even British. The first known written recipe is but I’m quite convinced the dish originated from the Middle East/Central Asia as the apple itself originates from the area around the Caspian Sea.
Quite agree that other countries did and do have forms of Apple pie. But it easily be proved (because of written records) that it was TAKEN to America (along with apple seeds themselves...). So I don't think anyone believes England or Britain actually produced it first in the world!? 😮
The king between George lV and Victoria is William lV. He was called the "Sailor King"......a name also given to George V and George Vl for links and service to the Royal Navy.
2:00 The American accent is a slowed down tembre of a more victorian, posh british accent. There are plenty of 100-150 year old recordings of Southern US accents, that sound oddly Posh British. Some of which sound exactly that if sped up slightly.