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American Reacts to UK Gun Laws
In this video I react to UK gun laws.
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@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Most folks don't realize most of the gun violence happens in larger cities. New York city, with over 8 million residents, had over 1k homicides. 1k of the 13k (13k gun deaths but 30% were suicides) homicides nationwide. Even Chicago, which has some of the strictest gun laws in the US, making it almost illegal to have a gun in the city anywhere, even your home had almost 500. I think that more can be done but when comparing the US to the UK for how effective gun laws would be it's not a 1:1 comparison. The US is 40 times bigger land size wise and we have nearly 5 times the amount of citizens. A total ban here wouldn't be effective. With the different types of hunting done by individuals in season for game animals such as deer, squirrels, rabbits, duck, dove, pheasant, quail, and any number of other assorted animals we have seasons to hunt for there's numerous reasons to own one here and a ban would be unfair to them and their way of life. I can understand after reading many of the commenters the reason no one over there may see the need for a gun for self defense purposes. Here that argument is a bit more nuanced. Normal police response times nationwide to crimes being committed is 10 minutes, where I live, which is more rural, the response time is 1-4 hours. 10 minutes someone trying to get into your home not knowing if their armed (gun or knife) is terrifying and a long time. An hour even more so. I know of people around here who had armed intruders that they shot at to get to leave their property and it was still 50 minutes before the cops showed up to investigate further. A gun ban here wouldn't be as effective and would deny the majority of gun owners who are law abiding citizens the ability to hunt if they so choose which cuts down on their dependence of stock of meats at the local grocer, or to defend themselves. On the flip side common sense things like limiting who can buy handguns (used in 60% of firearm homicides), stronger mental health checks in background checks, and other things might prevent folks like the girl I worked with who was killed with a gun execution style by an ex boyfriend. School shootings here should carry penalties for the parents that don't lock up their guns in the case of schools or the people that buy the guns for minors without the parents knowledge. Or in the case of El Paso, if you go outside of your hometown to buy a gun when you don't already own one, you should be denied the ability to buy one. Can and should we do better here? Yes. Bans aren't the answer here though.
@andrewwilkins7823
@andrewwilkins7823 2 года назад
I see your point about defense but I think if you had had a much stricter gun control laws when the country was founded you would be in a far better position now. The simple fact is there are far too many guns available in America now and a large percentage are in the hands of unsuitable people ( for various reasons). I can't see a way to reduce guns due to the massive number already in circulation. I do believe that certain types of guns should be banned. It's also fair to say that Americans do like their guns and as a outsider I don't see the need to use a machine gun to hunt game. I make no judgements, just pointing out the Americans love of fire arms. I must admit I would like to try target shooting myself but just for the novelty, wouldn't want to hunt a living animal.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Nobody here uses a machine gun to hunt deer. An actual machine gun takes a special license to own, special tax, 18 month wait and 25k+. Most of the folks that hunt use semi auto, bolt action, or pump.
@boredwithgaming4303
@boredwithgaming4303 2 года назад
Having been a Firearm owner and license holder (private security) here In the UK I agree wholeheartedly with your statement, Gun banning in America is not feasible. there are too many guns in the wrong hands in the US all banning would do is potentially put law-abiding citizens at high risk of tho's who have access to unlawful Guns.
@bunniemunch123
@bunniemunch123 2 года назад
To be honest I would have thought you would have had a more progressive point of view. No one said that all guns should go. If people feel the need to open carry a gun to a shop, shouldn’t you admit that it shows there is a major problem with safety there? How many own a gun just because they can? How many gun deaths occur when someone is angry or suicidal and the outcome could have been different if they had no access to a gun?
@ba55bar
@ba55bar 2 года назад
react to Jim Jeffries - Gun Control, also The Daily Show - Gun Control
@alanhynd7886
@alanhynd7886 2 года назад
To be fair, the British are allowed to deploy biting sarcasm or irony when provoked.
@BigyetiTechnologies
@BigyetiTechnologies 2 года назад
Mass sarcasm incidents are commonplace here, but they won't take our sarcasm away, it's our right.
@PJBonoVox
@PJBonoVox 2 года назад
@@BigyetiTechnologies You joke, but there was a mass sarcasm incident at my son's school yesterday. Thankfully people only *figuratively* died.
@colinmoore7460
@colinmoore7460 2 года назад
We keep our football hooligans in reserve!
@crowbar9566
@crowbar9566 2 года назад
@@PJBonoVox If this was a comedy club you'd all be dead
@WorksopGimp
@WorksopGimp 2 года назад
Soon to be outlawed I would bet
@rikuk3
@rikuk3 2 года назад
A big difference between the UK and US regarding guns is that 99% of brits have zero interest in owning a shotgun or full firearm. When I was shooting in the UK not one, not a single one of my friends wanted to take up the hobby with me, just not interested.
@sorscha1308
@sorscha1308 2 года назад
Yeah i literally know one person who owns a gun. I was so shocked when she told me she was a member of a shooting club and needed a spot in her new home for her gun safe. So weird. And i grew up on army barracks 😆
@padraigpearse1551
@padraigpearse1551 2 года назад
I think another difference is that people in the UK tend to go for historical weaponry like ww2 stuff while americans tend to go for modern stuff
@daniel26964
@daniel26964 Год назад
@@padraigpearse1551 except that's only a result of the regulations, not want.
@axeami1354
@axeami1354 Год назад
@@daniel26964 not necessarily true, you can own virtually any gun in the uk modern or not, it just has to be modified so the the bolt need to be manually racked after every shot.
@lynjones2461
@lynjones2461 10 месяцев назад
Very true only time I fired a gun it was under strict supervision on a rifle range I've never wanted to fire one since didn't float my boat xx also when I found out the department I was moving too approved exploding bullets when hunting wildlife I decided to withdraw my application xx
@juliadoherty83
@juliadoherty83 2 года назад
I live in England, although I'm an Irish citizen. I suffer - periodically - from depression. I am no longer able to own a weapon. Which, is absolutely correct despite never once feeling the urge to kill anyone, what's to say on a particularly bad day I go bat shit crazy and go on a spree? People who have mental illness, shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun, never mind an arsenal of guns. The general public are being protected by our legislation and I am very happy about that.
@iriscollins7583
@iriscollins7583 2 года назад
Well said. Julia Doherty.
@SteamboatWilley
@SteamboatWilley 2 года назад
Yeah, that's what they mean when they talk about a "threat to public safety ". Are you likely to go crazy and kill either yourself or someone else? That's what the police will ask your doctor to confirm.
@caoimhecurrie
@caoimhecurrie 2 года назад
I would think it should depend on the mental illness. Can't imagine someone with generalised anxiety or ocd would be at any increased risk of hurting someone.
@juliadoherty83
@juliadoherty83 2 года назад
OCD can be tricky. One of my son's has it in a mild form and God help you if you make a mess after he's cleaned, or put something back in the wrong place etc. His temper is awful and I can confirm on one appalling occasion one of his brother's needed surgery after being thumped by him! He now lives on his own in a beautiful little Cotswold (U.K) cottage on his own, safe in the knowledge that when he gets home from work, nothing will have moved. I know there are people out there with OCD much worse and can imagine them being driven to the extreme by people thinking their illness is funny and deliberately causing the person who has OCD wild with anger, followed by violence. Adding a gun? No thank you.
@caoimhecurrie
@caoimhecurrie 2 года назад
@@juliadoherty83 No disrespect, but the OCD is not the reason he behaves that way. That's a choice he makes. I don't think its helpful to let him off the hook for that kind of behaviour because of his mental illness, and I would worry for his brother honestly. If my sibling put me in the hospital for any reason it would place a major strain on our relationship.
@davehopkin9502
@davehopkin9502 2 года назад
Also dont forget that any crime committed using a firearm in the UK (whether discharged or not, or even with a replica) is treated far more harshly by the courts and they will get extended custodial sentances because firearms were involved, so the vast bulk of criminals (even professional ones) avoid using guns as the penatly simply isnt worth it and they know they are very unlikely to come across an opponent with a gun. The vast bulk of firearm incidents are in the Drug Gang world where turf wars are common
@liamholcroft7212
@liamholcroft7212 2 года назад
That has the unfortunate side affect of is someone is going to use a gun, they may as well use a real one as it's treated the same.
@davehopkin9502
@davehopkin9502 2 года назад
@@liamholcroft7212 No if they use a real gun they ALSO get additional charges under the firearms legislation for illegal possession etc.
@liamholcroft7212
@liamholcroft7212 2 года назад
@@davehopkin9502 I read that anything used as a firearm to threaten, intimidate etc... Is treated the same as if it were a real gun, not just a harsher sentence.
@davehopkin9502
@davehopkin9502 2 года назад
@@liamholcroft7212 Yes - they would be charged with Armed Robbery (say) just as it they had used a real weapon, but if it were a real weapon there would be additional charges of illegal possession etc.
@ffotograffydd
@ffotograffydd 2 года назад
Very true, I know someone who was coerced by an older relative into being involved in a robbery when he was 18. He played a minor role, but because one of the gang had a shotgun he served 22 years!
@mrjockt
@mrjockt 2 года назад
What I can’t understand about the U.S. is that whenever there is a serious shooting incident, one where there are multiple deaths, it always seems to be blamed on the mental state of the shooter yet whenever anyone tries to bring about a change to the law to try to address this there is massive resistance by the gun owning fraternity.
@cyberdan42
@cyberdan42 2 года назад
One of the huge things is the different mindset surrounding US gun culture, not simply gun numbers. As an English ex-pat Australian citizen who has lived in Canada and visited the US I've never considered the necessity of a firearm for civilian self protection, I used weapons while serving in the Australian military, that made sense to me, but as a civilian I expect (1) not to have that many people who want (and have the means) to kill me, and (2) that the police are available to protect me. If I did not trust the police that would be a different issue, that would be an issue of profound distrust in my government, which would mean I'd try and leave and find a nation with a government I vaguely felt had my general personal safety as a motivating factor. The US has this pervasive, cultural fear of violence from strangers and existential distrust of government. In the US this seems to drive many folks to the "must have gun to protect myself", and then the simple volume and accessibility of guns becomes a self-actualising danger - simply put lots of people with guns creates an environment where you may need a gun for protection against every other gun toting person, some of whom are likely violent and/or idiots.
@fridarey
@fridarey 2 года назад
Yes, having worked in both countries it feels like a difference between "strangers are probably ok" and "strangers are probably dangerous". That doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong - in a country where the kind of people breaking into houses are almost NEVER armed the first approach is ok compared to a country where small-time criminals can all own a handgun.
@chubbymoth5810
@chubbymoth5810 Год назад
@@fridarey And know there might be a crazy dude with a gun in his right to blast your head off. Not having the legal right to kick some dumb thief out of your house does make it safer for the thief for sure, but they won't have an extreme reaction either. Verbal abuse and display doesn't show but can be quite effective as well.
@fridarey
@fridarey 11 месяцев назад
@@chubbymoth5810 you absolutely do have the right to kick a burglar out of your house
@Britishshadow
@Britishshadow 2 года назад
I do appreciate how Eclectic Beard doesn’t just react, but explains how things are in the USA and tries to understand the U.K. better.
@doug5853
@doug5853 2 года назад
Massively 👌
@gggggggg3542
@gggggggg3542 2 года назад
There are two "incidents" in recent history, maybe 20 to 30 years ago which had such a profound effect on the whole country that made every decent person stand up and take note of gun culture here. They are in no particular order - HUNGERFORD where some idiot shot 16 people (including himself), and DUNBLANE where a complete maniac killed 16 kids, one teacher, injured 15 more then blew his head off........ here in UK we call the schools "primary", in America you would call them "elementary", so imagine the shock of a nutcase causing that carnage in a school with young children there, and how the population would react.......... well, we did react by banning just about anyone from owning a gun, we didn't ban guns, we just made it really hard to get one. I doubt very much we will ever go back to having shops where you can walk in and buy one
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
We didn't have them them either, the bans after hungerford and dunblane did absolutely nothing.
@scottneil1187
@scottneil1187 2 года назад
You're wrong mate, I grew up near a hunting and fishing store in Scotland, they sold guns up until Hungerford, then they were gone.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
@@scottneil1187 people couldn't just walk up and buy one though, you still needed a certificate and a space on your certificate for the particular type and caliber of firearm. There are still plenty of stores where I could walk in today and buy a shotgun because my cert allows ,I cou also walk in and buy a .223 or 5.56 because I have a space on my cert.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
@rigamortice it was the government not the police and they didn't close all gun clubs
@user-bo3mp8un6c
@user-bo3mp8un6c 2 года назад
@rigamortice Neither of those statements are true.
@derbyphoter
@derbyphoter 2 года назад
First weapon lesson when i joined HM forces , a firearm has only one purpose in life, ' to cause harm to others' hence our approach to guns Was a sobering thought for a 17year old that i still remember as i approach my 65th birthday
@thatcedric
@thatcedric 2 года назад
Most American commentators misunderstand this video but you got it nailed. Me, a regular English Joe couldn't get a gun because I don't have a reason to own one. That's the same for nearly all of us. 🙂
@paulmclaine6413
@paulmclaine6413 2 года назад
American own them because they can mate. That's all the reason they need. And they Love insanity.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 года назад
But if you really wanted to, you could without difficulty. For example, if you wanted to clay pigeon or target shoot, unless you're an ex-con or a loony, you'd be fine.
@richardphillips8260
@richardphillips8260 2 года назад
@@robertstallard7836 not quite. You would have to join a shooting club BEFORE you applied for your licence. The police could still refuse the licence (which happens more regularly than they're accepted) just on their own discretion.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 года назад
@@richardphillips8260 Yes, you'd need to join a club (or have land over which to shoot). That shows a need for a firearm, but it's hardy an issue. However, it is not at all true that applications for FACs are refused "more regularly than they are accepted". In 2020, for example, 7,962 new applications for firearm certificates were made, of which 97% were granted and only 3% were refused. In 2021 (covid year, so applications were down), there were 4988 applications, of which 98% were granted and 2% were refused. In those cases, the applicants will probably have failed background checks - i.e. there was evidence of criminal activity or unstable behaviour.
@richardphillips8260
@richardphillips8260 2 года назад
@@robertstallard7836 when did I say all FACs are refused? I said it's still up to your local police force's discretion and most requests are refused
@Bloodcursed1991
@Bloodcursed1991 2 года назад
When you said "Sport would be hunting" you'd be wrong, Sport would be competitive shooting like at the olympics, hunting would be leisure as it's only seen as a recreational activity. In regards to farmers they already have their hands full running a farm so will hire a contractor to eliminate the pests, critters, and/or local fauna. Finally in regards to guns on the black market the cost would be staggering as the risk to get/steal such firearms for the purpose of selling to unlicensed users would make it extremely difficult for the average individual to own such a piece.
@timranachan3224
@timranachan3224 2 года назад
The best way I've ever seen it put, Mr. Beard, is : In USA, you have the right TO. Here, you have the right FROM. I.e. your right allows you TO own a gun. Our right protects us FROM people owning guns. Of the two, I am happier with our laws.
@karlharrison6544
@karlharrison6544 2 года назад
Absolutely
@xhogun8578
@xhogun8578 2 года назад
Perfectly said, I prefer the UK outlook.
@vivwindsor4055
@vivwindsor4055 2 года назад
USA has absolute positive rights: right to free speech right to bear arms etc. The UK has what are known as 'negative' freedoms, i.e in the UK we are free to do whatever we want as long as it's not against the law. Citizens of the UK do not have an absolute right to do anything. In theory our freedom of speech could be taken away by an act of parliament, though not likely.
@chrism7969
@chrism7969 2 года назад
@@vivwindsor4055 True, but there are procedures for amending the US Constitution. The freedoms the constitution provides are more protected than freedoms in the UK which are not currently curtailed by legislation, because the removal of freedoms in the UK would only require a simple majority in the House of Commons to be taken away via legislation, whereas a 2/3 majority is required in Congress to amend the constitution. A procedure that was used to implement and subsequently repeal Prohibition banning the production and sale of alcohol in the US, via the passing and repeal of the 18th amendment to the constitution.. It is one of the dangers of the British first past the post electoral system that the current government who won 43.6% of the votes cast In the 2019 general election have an 80 seat majority, which means they could in theory pass any authoritarian laws they like. I'm not making a party political point, this would be true for any political party who win a large majority in Parliament, regardless of whether they won a minority or majority of the votes cast in a general election. Though I do find it even more worrying that they could do so having won a large majority of seats by winning a minority of the votes in a general election. We do rather rely upon MPs putting loyalty to the people of the country above loyalty to party to protect our freedoms, something I do not have a great deal of confidence in. P.S. Just to put your mind at rest, given the bibulous nature of MPs I don't think we are ever at risk of having alcohol banned in this country.
@laughingachilles
@laughingachilles 2 года назад
We didn't see many crimes committed by legal gun owners in the UK when we had the right to own pistols and other firearms. When you look at US gun crime it's important to know the figures include self-defence, and that means more people used a gun in self-defence than people who were committing murder. Criminals have guns in the UK because they don't to obey the law, so all we have needed up with is a populous who cannot defend themselves from armed criminals. Sadly the media has done a very good job of brainwashing people into believing guns are the problem. Meanwhile we have terrorists who blow people up or go on stabbing sprees. I would like a world where a young lady could carry a small pistol in her purse, thus making rapists very nervous about attacking women and the ones who go ahead anyway might be taken out of this world. We're not even allowed pepper spray ffs.
@ala5530
@ala5530 2 года назад
Fun fact- here in the UK, it is totally legal to own a cannon on a shotgun license (with certain provisos). I have a friend (yes, always a cautionary phrase, especially on the internet) who used to own a cannon that couldn't be locked in a gun safe or gun cabinet (usually a requirement). He had a shotgun license, and a black powder license, but the gun was physically too large to be securely locked away. The officer who visited their home to check on their ability to secure it took one look at their home, and at their plans for the commissioned cannon (they'd custom-ordered one with a screw-out and removable cascabel/breech plug, so once removed it was just a bronze tube with a touch hole) and said (quoting as it was told to me) "I wouldn't worry. The thing's a quarter-ton of brass. If someone's able to nick that, let them." They no longer own this cannon, nor any firearms or powder license, due to mental health issues that I'm not going to discuss, but it was totally fine when they did.
@carolinequirk6136
@carolinequirk6136 2 года назад
The said if some one can kick that let them, there was a statue of Brunel that was stolen, it weight over that.
@Rabmac1UK
@Rabmac1UK 2 года назад
I don't think that a quarter ton of Brass would be a deterrent to the so-called 'Travellers' aka Gypsies. I imagine if the location was published they would regard it as a challenge.
@ajax2061
@ajax2061 2 года назад
This is indeed true we had cannons at our re-enactments all on a shotgun licence
@BassandoForte
@BassandoForte 2 года назад
To be honest through - Even if you wanted to kill someone with a cannon wouldn't it cost you hundreds of pounds for one shot..?? 🤣🤣
@bobemmerson1580
@bobemmerson1580 2 года назад
The cannon has to be under 2 inch (5cm) bore on a shotgun licence. Over 2 inch bore it has to go on a firearms certificate.
@amandab4978
@amandab4978 2 года назад
I think the main point is 'having a reason' ...it has to be a bloody GOOD reason. Another (American) You Tuber commented that self defence would probably be one of those reasons. NO, you will NOT get a licence for self defence. You're right Alan that you can get guns such as Uzis, but a valid reason for one is vanishingly small. Yep, the cultural attitude to guns are diametrically opposite in the US and UK.
@crowbar9566
@crowbar9566 2 года назад
True, the will not license you for self defence reasons, but if you happen to be a gun owner under attack in the UK and you need to defend your life or someone else's, the law is clear, you can use any object at hand as a weapon including a firearm if you need to.
@chrislyne377
@chrislyne377 2 года назад
I believe that self-defence is a valud reason in Northern Ireland
@damedusa5107
@damedusa5107 2 года назад
@@crowbar9566 that’s been a tricky one. Seen some people prosecuted. Mainly because they kept firing after the threat was gone, as in running away.
@darthwiizius
@darthwiizius 2 года назад
Do you think they'll let me have an Uzi if I tell them I need to do some drive by deer hunting?
@crowbar9566
@crowbar9566 2 года назад
@@damedusa5107 Even in Texas you can not shoot an intruder in the back, or fleeing the scene. You have to let them run away.
@55pprior
@55pprior 2 года назад
I find it genuinely rare that someone is able to give a fair and balanced argument around gun control, vast majority are either very for or very against. Good job on keeping fair and impartial.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
I'm against anything but intelligent gun control. Here it's a right and ingrained in our DNA. That doesn't mean that improvements can't and shouldn't be made. Some of the restrictions on licensing there wouldn't work here, like having a license to shoot a specific type of animal for hunting. When I have the chance I enjoy squirrel, deer, and hog hunting. That would require 3 different licenses. That wouldn't doesn't make a ton of sense here. Limiting who can buy hand guns which are used in 60% of crimes makes more sense here. Ensuring folks don't have mental problems makes sense here as well. Then though you get into the issue of doctors with bias and agendas which would be unfair to folks that might have bouts of depression but have never done anything to hurt themselves or others so how would you find someone with an impartial mindset but can see red flags? It's a complicated matter. I'm not opposed to things that make sense (gun show loop holes being closed), requiring private gun owners to use local law enforcement to run a background check to sell a gun, and things that just make more sense. A ban here wouldn't work and requiring multiple licenses for different things that are hunted here when often times different guns are used in each circumstance depending on size. Same with self defense. I live in a spot where the average response from the police is an hour or longer depending on what other crimes across the county (largest east of the Mississippi) have been responded to. It would be unfair for me to have to have a license request denied for purposes of self defense when there's no reasonable expectation of a swift response from police if someone is trying to commit a crime on my property. If someone is carrying a handgun, normally it's not shown until after the homeowner makes themselves known. We had a case in the nearest town where 4 people aged 16-24 broke into a guys house. He shot 2 of the 4. All wound up being arrested. The one dead had a gun that was produced when the homeowner appeared on the top stairs of the home with his own gun. One other of the 4 had a gun with them. If there was a ban or even a tightening, it wouldn't remove all guns from the hands of criminals here or in my opinion, stop them from getting one easily. The 3 that weren't killed, even the ones without the guns were sentenced to 20 years because they were in possession of firearms. I think relying on the government here too much for things like protection, especially in a country where they've used they're own poor people in social experiments with things like heroin, crack and cocaine by introducing them into poor communities to see the reaction, only to then send them to their legal form of slavery in the form of penal labor, like they've got my best interests at heart could and possibly would wind up being a detriment to myself and my family. Common sense things yes. Over regulation or bans? No.
@55pprior
@55pprior 2 года назад
@@TheEclecticBeard those are some very valid points, but that is the beauty of discourse and democracy. You’re absolutely right and our laws wouldn’t work in the US much how the looser laws for you don’t fit our societal needs. The hardest thing for any government to do is change long standing laws. There is no real correct answer to the debate of gun regulation/control, at the end of the day a gun is no more dangerous than a car, you just got to hope the one in control isn’t dangerous. I’m thoroughly enjoying your perspective on things as your saying and presenting outlooks that I may not have considered. Keep up the great work! 😁
@davesy6969
@davesy6969 2 года назад
As a former member of H.O.G. (harley owners group) i would like to point out it was compulsory when i bought a harley davidson, and should you continue to hunt hogs i would feel obliged to respond with withering sarcasm and cutting remarks. I may even go so far as to not offer you a cup of tea and a biscuit. I wish you a good day.
@ashscott6068
@ashscott6068 2 года назад
I don't think anyone with an extreme view either way on the issue, should be allowed to make the decisions on the matter. A car can do more damage than a bullet, but there are valid reasons to have a car, just like you can have valid reasons to have a gun. But you're not allowed a car that goes 400mph and has spikes on the front. Like...you don't need full auto for hunting or home defense. You don't need a gun that you can easily hide on your person, for either. And you shouldn't be allowed to buy a car, if you spent your whole childhood drawing pictures of crowds of people being run over, while dribbling over your school desk.
@stevebeardsmore3303
@stevebeardsmore3303 2 года назад
I would guess that the UK's gun laws are supported by 95% of the population. They are simply not controversial.
@seraphinaaizen6278
@seraphinaaizen6278 2 года назад
Pretty much. Honestly, the idea of an armed population strikes us as being downright dystopian.
@davedavids57
@davedavids57 2 года назад
Most people have no idea what the gun laws are tbh. Like the fact that hand guns are totally legal in NI but banned in Great Britain. So a mass shooter could just move their get a gun and take the ferry.
@davedavids57
@davedavids57 2 года назад
@@seraphinaaizen6278 Well the vast majority of continental Europe has more liberal gun laws. Places like the Czech Republic have laws more liberal than the US however their violent crime rates I like a third of the UK. An armed population isn't the problem it's US Society sadly.
@Howling-Mad-Murdock
@Howling-Mad-Murdock 2 года назад
I’d say it’s higher than 99% who support our gun laws.
@pamelaadam9207
@pamelaadam9207 2 года назад
Farage wanted a gun free for all horrible man
@lox5962
@lox5962 2 года назад
I live in the U.K., have shot with handguns, target rifles, shotguns for clay pigeon only (I would never harm a living creature) and enjoyed it immensely. Shooting is one of the few sports where men and women can compete as equals. Have I ever owned a gun? No, you can pay to go clay pigeon shooting or join a gun club. I think our laws with regard to guns sensible and glad the general police do not have to carry them. Shame my eyesight degenerated before I was ready for the responsibility of owning a firearm, otherwise definitely would have joined a gun club and enjoyed shooting as a sport.
@kamelionify
@kamelionify 2 года назад
You can do benchrest shooting and use a scope
@martinconnelly1473
@martinconnelly1473 2 года назад
I used to target shoot .22 rifles when in the RAF and was on the team at one station until I was posted elsewhere. My eyes are no longer good enough for plain sights and 25m to a target at the same time.
@donaldstewart3128
@donaldstewart3128 2 года назад
I do enjoy popping a few clays and was in a rifle club way back. But never shot at anything living. Although do eat meat.
@weederfish9254
@weederfish9254 2 года назад
They have guns with sensors now for blind/partially sighted that beep when on target, I only know as I passed my target shooting instructor last year
@MeFreeBee
@MeFreeBee 2 года назад
Pretty sure if you specify self protection as you reason for wanting a firearm license you will be rejected.
@shabingly
@shabingly 2 года назад
You will definitely be rejected, and in all probability you will then *never* get a licence approved, and you will probably have several visits from the dibble wanting to have a look around your gaff.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 года назад
Not in Northern Ireland. Self defence is still a legitimate reason there, along with its associated concealed carry. Don't forget, Tony's handgun legislation only applied on the mainland and didn't really affect NI, Jersey, Guernsey etc.
@shabingly
@shabingly 2 года назад
@@robertstallard7836 very good points, I was totally mainland-centric with my reply.
@robertstallard7836
@robertstallard7836 2 года назад
@@shabingly Easily forgotten. But yes, you're right - for the vast majority of those in the UK it does apply.
@ala5530
@ala5530 2 года назад
@@robertstallard7836 There is one other exception- those holding a CP (Close Protection) SIA license can still technically list self-defence (or defence of others) as a legitimate reason. It's still not necessarily going to be granted (and is a reason I have no intention of going for my CP badge), but won't necessarily preclude the issue of other firearms licenses
@HitchUpAndTow
@HitchUpAndTow 2 года назад
I'm from the UK and was a gun owner. I had a couple of guns, one being a .357 magnum .Following the Dunblane massacre, the government passed the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 which banned short firearms, so I had to get a new hobby, that's why I'm a RU-vidr. Thing is, I was a better shot than I am a vlogger 😂
@davedavids57
@davedavids57 2 года назад
You can still own your revolver it just needs to have a longer barrel and coat hanger off the end (obviously criminals don't understand how to use a hacksaw). Or you could just move to Northern Ireland and get it.
@matthewmorel3758
@matthewmorel3758 2 года назад
I would never turn in my guns. I don’t trust my government to do the right thing.
@davedavids57
@davedavids57 2 года назад
@@matthewmorel3758 It's different in the UK they have had registration of all firearms for over 100 years. So when they ban something they know exactly where it is and who owns it. If you don't give it to the government they simply arrest you and put you in prison. That's why there is such a campaign in America against mandatory registration of weapons. Registration leads to confiscation.
@glenjones6980
@glenjones6980 2 года назад
Guns and knives are different, the chance of killing a group of people or someone 50 feet away with a knife are pretty remote compared to the chance with a gun. It's harder to legislate sales of knives and the headline stories mostly revolve around single victims such as a politician or the press jumping on stories using the race or gang warfare angle.
@ashscott6068
@ashscott6068 2 года назад
Knives also have countless legit legal uses. Not so much in a city, but still...it's taking the piss that you can get actual jail time for taking a knife into the woods, just cus some hoodies who have never seen a tree, use them to poke holes in people they can't beat in a street fight.
@bakedjesus1177
@bakedjesus1177 2 года назад
not so hard when your victim pool is unarmed
@NoxiousNoodles
@NoxiousNoodles 2 года назад
It is also worth noting that more people are murdered per capita by knives in the USA than in the UK. It is not a question of guns or knives, but rather guns and knives or just knives.
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 2 года назад
@@bakedjesus1177 Mate... yes, stabbing someone is hard. It physically is as well as mentally.
@jerry2357
@jerry2357 2 года назад
Actually, illegal firearms are quite rare n the UK. Consequently, there are people who will rent a gun to a criminal for them to commit a crime. Criminals won't normally carry guns, because the sentences are so high if they get caught. They are all hidden away in safe places, and only brought out if there is an intention to use them. Generally the UK law is such that nobody is armed (with guns or otherwise), and the UK is a much safer place as a consequence. By the way, the largest wild predators in the UK are foxes, wildcats (slightly bigger than a domestic cat), otters or badgers, so you don't need a weapon to defend yourself from wildlife.
@blethigg9320
@blethigg9320 2 года назад
@@madisntit6547 To be fair, those guys are nuts.
@admiralsnackbar69
@admiralsnackbar69 2 года назад
Don't forget about the beast of bodmin
@VaderWhoop
@VaderWhoop 2 года назад
@@blethigg9320 only the non-native pox riddled greys though; the little (endangered) reds are cute as a button.
@donrhule1424
@donrhule1424 2 года назад
​@@blethigg9320 I see what you did there! 🌰 🐿️ 😂
@lilacfloyd
@lilacfloyd 2 года назад
Don't forget that all English males over the age of 14 are to carry out two hours of longbow practice every week, supervised by the local clergy. This law dates from the middle ages when there was no army and is still in place today.
@ericevans4040
@ericevans4040 2 года назад
It was repealed quite a few years ago, but i do still own 2 bows
@tomthumb4142
@tomthumb4142 2 года назад
In the UK and here in Australia it is illegal to own any kind of weapon for protection purposes. I am a licenced gun owner and a member of a target shooters club we are allowed up to 15 firearms but automatic weapons are illegal, handguns require a special licence, guns are only allowed for hunting or sporting purposes the only exception is for Police, security guards and military purposes, farmers can have guns for shooting pests (Varmints) which is classed as hunting anyway. So lets say I was to shoot and kill someone who broke into my home to steal my property I would be charged with murder, and if I only wounded them they could sue me for wilful damages.
@blidge8282
@blidge8282 2 года назад
You have a personal protection firearm in NI, provided that a legitimate threat has been made against your life. The police in NI are also carry firearms, which makes the culture a little different than the rest of the UK
@crwydryny
@crwydryny 2 года назад
As someone from the UK it's refreshing to see an American who understands the reasons behind our rules
@bensmith1689
@bensmith1689 2 года назад
One thing they only briefly touched on in this video is that the requirement of a reasonable excuse extends to the type of firearm you want. For example if you applied for a license saying you wanted to hunt rabbits and were intending to buy a 7.62 bolt action rifle, it would be extremely unlikely you would have it granted.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
Also don't need a reason for shotgun cert.
@andrewadam9544
@andrewadam9544 2 года назад
@@cardiffpicker1 yes you do, that reason might only be for clay shooting at the club down the road but you do need a reason
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
@@andrewadam9544 no you don't,section 2 is a shall issue and no reason is required by law,it fies make things gi smother but it is not a legal requirement. Section 1 will require a valid reason but not section 2,although certain members of the police will try to tell you differently because they are either liars or clueless.
@andrewadam9544
@andrewadam9544 2 года назад
i know who is clueless, you tell an flo you want it because its your right and you wont be getting it
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
@@andrewadam9544 I have had it for 25 years it was my FEO who first told me it didn't require a reason. I don't know about you but I don't tend to send my cert application to a family liason officer.
@PigeonPlucker
@PigeonPlucker 2 года назад
The biggest point regarding UK gun law and what you can and can't have come down to concealment, and, overall, the potential to kill multiple people. - Touching on the revolver point, the reason the gun has to be 60cm in length is so that it could not be easily hidden on a person. This is the exact same reason why shotguns can be legally owned, but sawn-offs most definitely can not.
@fossy4321
@fossy4321 2 года назад
Shotguns with short barrels under 24" can be owned but a class 1 firearms certificate is required.
@PigeonPlucker
@PigeonPlucker 2 года назад
@@fossy4321 True, but I believe that only applies to a single fire shotgun, and even then, the overall length must still be a minimum of 60cm. In the grand scheme of things, there's not much of a reasonable reason to own one of them.
@davedavids57
@davedavids57 2 года назад
The thing is couldn't a criminal just use a hacksaw? The guy's a criminal for christ sake :P
@PigeonPlucker
@PigeonPlucker 2 года назад
@@davedavids57 True, but I think the overall theory is that the shotgun must be legally obtained in the first place which, in the UK, isn't a straight forward task. I know a LOT of people who own shotguns and none of them would EVER consider making a homebrew sawn-off. Largely because as part of the annual inspection, police want to view the weapon and ensure that it roughly conforms to the expected remits. Regarding your point though, I mean, let's be honest, a criminal in possession of a firearm wouldn't likely have legal possession of it in the first place. They're already in hot water for that alone. As I understand it you can get up to 5 years for illegal possession of a firearm in the UK. And I daresay a judge would look to the higher end of that if it didn't conform to what standards the UK has.
@georgebarnes8163
@georgebarnes8163 2 года назад
You can own a sidearm in Northern Ireland, well below 60cms.
@The.Conqueeftador
@The.Conqueeftador 2 года назад
I myself own 2 guns here in britian. Both of which are for pest control, I have never come across a legal gun owner here who owns one purely for protection like in the U.S. they are all for either pest control (like myself), small game hunting (pheasants and rabbits ect) or for target/clay shooting. As for the wolves thing, we don't anymore. Along with bears they've both been hunted to extinction here in the UK.
@daistoke1314
@daistoke1314 2 года назад
The difference most Brits would not want to own a gun. I'm 70 , apart from farmers who own shotguns, I've known one gun owner, he was a competitive shooter in the Olympics, no one else owned one. In Britain when we are unhappy we march and unarmed police face us. It's different when the police are armed. Unless you are Irish that was a different story.
@littleblackpistol
@littleblackpistol 2 года назад
Another method of change is voting. The French riot. The British seethe, then turn around and murder you at the ballot box.
@goggler2
@goggler2 2 года назад
Honestly until the last 5years or so I'd never seen a Gun in the Uk except once or twice a farmer with a shotgun. More recently seen armed anti terror police at big events on occasion.
@mrglasses8953
@mrglasses8953 2 года назад
The government has effectively banned the right to protest, so what will you do now?
@daistoke1314
@daistoke1314 2 года назад
@@mrglasses8953 huh? I dont think so, can you quite an act of Parliament on this?
@ConstantSorrow
@ConstantSorrow 2 года назад
Two major incidents that had a huge impact on British gun laws were The Hungerford massacre in 1987 and the 1996 Dunblane massacre. The Hungerford massacre was one man who a spree shooting in the town of Hungerford. He shot dead sixteen people which including an unarmed police officer and his own mother, before shooting himself. This brought in a number of changes in gun law mainly surrounding banning semi-automatic rifles and restricting shotgun capacity to three cartridges. The Dunblane massacre is deadliest mass shooting in British history and took place at Dunblane Primary School where a gunman entered the school and shot dead sixteen pupils, one teacher and injured a further 15. The shooter also killed himself. Handgun laws changed after this event such as the banning pretty anything larger than .22 calibre and the requring that are a certain length, the idea being that a longer handgun is hard to conceal. There is a good documentary on the Hungerford Massacre: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8wW7fGe745A.html
@mcn6447
@mcn6447 2 года назад
Andy Murray survived.
@crowbar9566
@crowbar9566 2 года назад
There was a spree shooting in Plymouth 3 or 4 months ago think. 5 victims including a toddler and her dad.
@JLO72
@JLO72 2 года назад
Andy Murray wasn't in the gym but was in the changing room as he was supposed to be in the gym next.
@bionicgeekgrrl
@bionicgeekgrrl 2 года назад
@@crowbar9566 yes, there may yet be changes from that as I believe reviews are ongoing in various respects which may see further restrictions imposed in the future.
@crowbar9566
@crowbar9566 2 года назад
@@bionicgeekgrrl Maybe, the laws are about as tight as they can realistically get though.
@denisemeredith2436
@denisemeredith2436 2 года назад
Our gun laws become stricter after the rare occasions where we have mass shootings. The City of Birmingham here in the UK is a Mecca for gun manufacturing with companies like Westley Richards who make beautiful sporting guns and we still have a Gun Proofing House. I used to know someone who worked at Westley Richards doing all the chasing in silver and gold on the guns - his work waa awesome. I am glad that guns are not so readily available here as they are in the USA - you can't go into a supermarket and buy a gun (other than a water pistol) in the next aisle to the spuds.
@edmundscycles1
@edmundscycles1 2 года назад
The "easy to buy a gun in a supermarket " is a bit of a myth . Under federal laws all guns need a background check from 3 days to 3 months and can be denied if any crime is shown (including driving offences ) . What is missing is the same sort of mental compency checks are not in place like here in the UK .
@FM-vh3ck
@FM-vh3ck 2 года назад
Surely as the second amendment is already an amendment it can just be reamended to make it difficult to get guns in America. When we had the Dunblane shooting in, I think it was 96, we just changed the law to ban hand guns. My father had to hand over 3 handguns, he said at the time that his right to own hand guns was trumped by a child's right to life.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
It would take 2/3 of the states to agree to any changes made.
@vereybowring
@vereybowring 2 года назад
I grew up in the Highlands amidst lots of hunting estates. There were lots and lots of guns of many types, I knew one guy who had a 4G elephant rifle (although he only used it for demonstration/gun range purposes). Shotguns (410's and 12G mostly) and .22 rifles being most common though with 7.62mm being a popular deer hunting weapon. Personally I never owned anything beyond .22 air weapons for pest control usually rabbits and rats (had permissions for many square miles of land) which I gave up after moving to a more urban location where I didn't have access to anywhere I could shoot easily. Often it surprised people from the USA how much I knew about guns despite coming from the UK although I didn't keep up with it so my knowledge is a little stale.
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 2 года назад
Frankly, anyone who shouts and screams that it's an infringement of their rights should not be allowed to own a gun. That sort of overreaction is a major red flag, in my book.
@andy530i
@andy530i 2 года назад
Bollocks - cars can be even more deadly than guns, but we can all have a car.
@andrewbowman4611
@andrewbowman4611 2 года назад
@@andy530i Having been run over by a car, I can confirm that it does indeed hurt, with lasting issues. However, most people who own a car aren't doing so for as nebulous a reason as protecting their property from intruders. Also, you're required to pass various tests, both practical and theoretical, in order to get a licence to drive. As far as I know, no such tests are required for US gun ownership.
@leroybaz9601
@leroybaz9601 2 года назад
@@andy530i cars aren't made to run people over .
@jamesguitar7384
@jamesguitar7384 2 года назад
@@andy530i Comparing a gun to a car is quite a bit nutty .
@colinmoore7460
@colinmoore7460 2 года назад
@@andy530i After training and passing a test!
@colin4685
@colin4685 2 года назад
I remember watching the Dunblane school shooting. I'm glad as a country we adopted the stricter rules on owning a gun from something like this. Unlike the USA which just seems not bothered about kids getting shot in schools.
@Dave-bu6bc
@Dave-bu6bc 2 года назад
Did you know the police had already taken the Dunblane shooter's guns off him and a politician made them give the guns back? Makes you think that some of those conspiracy theories might actually be conspiracy facts!
@markarapis5267
@markarapis5267 2 года назад
No they just stab each other to death now,no disrespect to you but that's a stupid answer and any criminal in the UK can get their hands on a gun as long as your willing to pay for it.
@somthingbrutal
@somthingbrutal 2 года назад
@@markarapis5267 the lack of mass shootings disprove your argument
@markarapis5267
@markarapis5267 2 года назад
@@somthingbrutal your everyday criminal isn't going round shooting the place up,that's left up to the crazies
@somthingbrutal
@somthingbrutal 2 года назад
@@markarapis5267 30 UK gun homicides in 2020, 13,620 in the US in the same year our gun laws work
@johnnorth4667
@johnnorth4667 2 года назад
Interesting you mentioned ammonium nitrate fertiliser, as a farmer I'm required to keep my fertiliser in a secure building and notify the police immediately if any goes 'missing'. Also have to notify the fire service as its storage is a fire hazard.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
We've had people use it here for bomb purposes.
@johnnorth4667
@johnnorth4667 2 года назад
As mentioned below it was the IRA but later it was ISIS type terrorists.
@Gantali9305
@Gantali9305 2 года назад
@@madisntit6547 Fortunately the IRA have been quiet for a decade or two.. May we never know times like those again. Hell even i don't really remember at 34yo
@RossiB1966
@RossiB1966 2 года назад
Possibly one of the most balanced discussions on this topic. The key is culture and need. You nailed this on that equal thought. Your thing makes sense in the US. Our thing makes sense in the UK,
@martinhutton66
@martinhutton66 2 года назад
I have never thought about this subject in all my life, But it was a very interesting watch, and your comments were spot on. Nice one fella Peace and love ❤️🙏❤️
@dinastanford7779
@dinastanford7779 2 года назад
I watched another American reactor in England viewing the same film. He was thinking of getting a gun for protection. I was offended that he felt the need to have one.
@marieravening927
@marieravening927 2 года назад
Americans seem to feel the need to own guns as self protection from each other. That says a lot about the American people.
@marieravening927
@marieravening927 2 года назад
Australian gun laws are even tighter than in the UK. I think most Aussies are happy with our gun laws though there are people who argue against them for reasons of hunting. You have to have a special licence to hunt pigs or kangaroo, and I think it has to be your occupation, not just for fun.
@bernadettelanders7306
@bernadettelanders7306 2 года назад
@@marieravening927 Aussie here too. I have no fear of guns, as I’ve never seen a real gun, I don’t know anyone personally who owns a gun. But if guns are owned and in so many homes, I think I would be scared. We are lucky here. Yes of course some must have guns illegally, but I don’t know anyone who does. In my Aussie opinion, More guns owned by anybody, more people will want a gun to protect themselves. More guns = more fear = more ordinary people owning guns = more deaths per capita. Old original laws can and have been changed in many countries with progress and change. But some countries stick to very old laws that weren’t meant for today’s way of life. Yes we remember Port Arthur and the change that had on our gun laws - for the better. No mass shootings since in over 20 years now.
@retromaus
@retromaus 2 года назад
This is one of the most balanced and carefully considered videos I've seen comparing the UK and US gun laws. I subscribed on the spot! Sending love and respect from Scotland
@DeHyntonGaming
@DeHyntonGaming 2 года назад
you dont need a licence in uk for a vintage firearm. There's gun shops and military shops in the uk too.
@DeHyntonGaming
@DeHyntonGaming 2 года назад
@@BluntofHwicce Yea but who would know your gonna put it on the wall. lol. there was 2 shootings last year and im in a town inbetween bristol and london.
@Dave-bu6bc
@Dave-bu6bc 2 года назад
@@BluntofHwicce you know some of the obsolete calibers are so close to current calibers that you can wrap a bit of brass shim around the cartridge and it'll work. just sayin'
@Qwertycritical
@Qwertycritical 2 года назад
Strictly speaking to bring down a tyrannical government if the majority population (That does mean millions upon millions.) is both motivated and mobilised you don't need a single weapon. Non co-operation and the power of the crowd is enough as witnessed in the former Warsaw pact. Even the army will have second thoughts about firing on their own people as they might have to pay for it later on if the revolution succeeds. It is likely they might join in.
@sumvs5992
@sumvs5992 2 года назад
But the government still holds all the power, and they can threaten, assault or kill family members of those that are protesting against them. Get government fanatics sprinkled around the military and they military is unlikely to revolt because a fanatic could be round the corner, ready to report back to their superiors. Hell, the CCP in China still has pretty much total control over people by this method and with CCTV cameras being nearly everywhere, revolt is impossible, and when revolt does occur, it's put down immediately.
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 2 года назад
Worked in Germany.
@paulduckett2047
@paulduckett2047 2 года назад
There is also the difference in the law vs public want. These may be the laws but the low numbers are really pushed by the fact the public don't want to own guns and the possible dangers that brings
@paulduckett2047
@paulduckett2047 2 года назад
@rigamortice Absolute fucking bollocks.
@MrFinbarz
@MrFinbarz 2 года назад
@rigamortice dude stop piping up. Its bullshit every time.
@adammullarkey4996
@adammullarkey4996 2 года назад
As someone who's lived my entire life in the UK, there are very few jobs I can think of that would get you a private firearm license. The military (obviously) provide the firearms. Most police officers aren't armed (well, they are, but non-lethal; batons, pepper spray, tazers). There are specialised firearms officers, but, like the military, the guns aren't privately owned. You gave two examples of occupations that might have firearms; hunters and farmers. Hunting is extremely rare in this country. I'm 25 and have never met a hunter. Most animals are domesticated (farmed), like cows and sheep. Hunting is also heavily restricted. For example, hunting foxes is only legal if the fox is causing damage to your property or the environment. Farmers have no real reason to own a gun. The largest predator in the UK is the badger (10-12kg (~22-26 US lbs)); you could probably fight it with your bare hands in a pinch. Also, the animals small enough to be harmed by the smaller predators we do have are usually kept close to the farmyard, where predators rarely go. The only occupations I can think of where you might potentially have a reason to own your own gun are if you work as a security guard for a large company or a wealthy individual, or as a bodyguard for said wealthy individual. Even then, you may not get the license.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Here the deer, hogs, and other stuff that's hunted have a need to be hunted in a season (with a bag limit so we don't over harvest and hurt the population) or otherwise you'd have problems due to over population. Hogs alone cost over a billion in damages in to farmlands and crops. Hogs are one of the few animals most states don't have a bag limit on since they aren't native.
@edmundscycles1
@edmundscycles1 2 года назад
Hunting is a regular thing at most large parks with deer herds here in the UK because of lack of native large preditors . Margam Park in South Wales have bi-annual hunts to cull deer populations . Also badgers are aggressive buggers that can disembowel you with their 5 inch claws very easily and are faster than people think . My advice is don't get between a badger and its set unless your last name is Bolt .
@adammullarkey4996
@adammullarkey4996 2 года назад
@@edmundscycles1 "Hi, my name is Cannot Bolt, and today I'm going to be getting between a badger and it's set." :)
@Steve-ys1ig
@Steve-ys1ig 2 года назад
What I have never understood about US gun laws is that when you have mass shootings it is almost shrugged off and nothing changes. We had two mass shootings (one with children) in the UK which changed everything and brought in much stronger laws which most people agreed with. The US has had several notable mass shootings (more than one of them including children) and nothing really changed apart from calls to arm teachers. I think by restricting guns we have a safer society - even criminals who can get guns do not tend to operate with them especially against the general public. I do not know of anyone who feels the need to get a gun for protection. The evidence is in the statistics when compared to the UK and Europe, the US and other parts of the Americas do really badly.
@damedusa5107
@damedusa5107 2 года назад
It’s worse than you think, they have 100s of mass shooting per year. Not all are the high victim kind, but at least a few each year do. Last year nearly 500 dead and thousands injured in 240 deadly shootings. They had another few hundred that resulted in no deaths.
@JLO72
@JLO72 2 года назад
We have death by knife instead in UK.
@damedusa5107
@damedusa5107 2 года назад
@@JLO72 it’s actually strange that some Americans will say that when debating about guns etc. but if you actually look at the data, the USA has more knife crime than the uk. So the narrative isn’t actually true. I don’t know why the USA is like it is. But there definitely is a more violent culture as far as crime figures go. Not to say the uk isn’t violent either, just saying in comparison. Uk much more fist fights when i was younger. That’s what we did.
@lgd6619
@lgd6619 2 года назад
@@JLO72 So does the USA
@rodsmith7032
@rodsmith7032 2 года назад
@@JLO72 No, wrong, the US knife crime stats are still way higher than the UKs, this is a lazy argument used by US right wing media when defending gun ownership.
@britblue
@britblue 2 года назад
So refreshing to hear a measured & nuanced arguement on gun ownership - here in the UK i have no desire to own a gun & the only information we tend to get about USA gun laws are short news clips of the,......"enthusiastic" gun owners (to be diplomatic!!) who tend to stare at the camera & shout rather than speak! - as opposed to to a thoughtful measured commentary from yourself - keep up the good work!!
@edmundscycles1
@edmundscycles1 2 года назад
You should watch Paul harrell. He is really informative and very dry humoured .
@thomasridge8026
@thomasridge8026 2 года назад
To add some detail to this, rifles and long barrelled pistols etc mentioned in the video come under a section 1 firearms certificate, there is an important legal distinction between licensing and certification, though in real terms they are much of a muchness and the differences are broadly negligible. The “good reason” you provide could apply to all the guns you own or you could have more than one reason but you do have to apply for what’s referred to colloquially as an “acquisition” before you buy a gun (£20 in my constituency unless it’s part of a grant or renewal) but you can apply to acquire more than gun at a time, as an example if you apply for a firearms certificate to shoot a. 22 rifle at a target (good reason being sports, target shooting) then you may be approved but only for that 1 .22 rifle and only for shooting at targets, if you wanted to go and shoot rabbits with it you should inform the police of your intention to do so and again there will be a cost involved in making the changes to your existing certification (colloquially known as a variation) you also have to apply to hold an amount of ammunition which also has to be approved (essentially meaning you can only store a limited amount of ammo at your own property at any given time though the numbers are usually reasonable in my experience). If, having already been certified for .22 and an appropriate amount of ammo, you then decide you would like to own a .44 rifle you have to apply to vary your certificate to include the acquisition for a .44 rifle and ammo. Though again you can submit one variation listing multiple guns/types of gun along with necessary ammo storage increases/ugh sudden large lists may cause suspicion. A point on pistols, the out right banning of pistols is a slight misnomer, rather they are subject to much stricter regulation. You could for example own a live firing pistol as part of a collection for occasional ugh this good reason would strictly limit you ammunition storage capacity (firing only being occasional) and there may be limitations introduced as to where the firearm is stored then may for example prefer that the pistol be stored at a range approved by the home office for this purpose, it’s also stipulate a collection cannot begin by buying a pistol, example you could if you desire apply to own a recently manufactured colt peacemaker for occasional firing as part of an old west themed collection, however you would need to demonstrate a convincing (probably quite vast) collection of old west themed items (not necessarily guns but would be easier if you did already own other firearms that fit in the collection. More commonly you could own a pistol for work purposes as a vet for “humane dispatch” (probably a bit much for cats and dogs but some vets still use this method with horses, cows and other large farmed idea being you want something big enough to actually meet the humane aspect of the brief, so for the animals listed .22 is out, you also don’t want it so powerful it may go right through and be a danger in the other side so that’s most rifle calibres out, this is also a task generally conducted at a range of less than a few metres so using a rifle chambered in a pistol caliber is rather cumbersome also black powder is very messy and impractical, so pistols are allowed to be used although again restrictions are imposed, the main one being a maximum capacity is 3 rounds essentially meaning you could, as a vet working in the appropriate field, apply to own something like a glock in 9mm for humane dispatch but the magazines would have to be modified to only hold three rounds, the theory is it shouldn’t take more than 3 rounds to dispatch the suffering animal. My point here is there are a number of ways (more than mentioned) to access pistols in the uk but it is very much more difficult and severely uncommon and a lot of the applications are not granted based on the reason not being good enough/ too many alternative solutions being available in the case of the vet a lethal injection being much cleaner when the dosage and administration is correct. To qualify everything I’ve said this is my understanding of what I have read there may be people with much more experience who know better, additionally these rules may have changed slightly since my last thorough read through a few years ago our government is sneaky like that, always changing things, also the implementation of the rules Varys between constabulary’s so people may have different experiences of operating under the same rules, if I’ve made any errors and people know better feel free to correct me I just thought some stuff wasn’t very clear in the video that was being reacted to and wanted to add some detail for those interested.
@CapraObscura
@CapraObscura 2 года назад
I'm really glad you did this video, really informative for Americans and brits
@1889jonny
@1889jonny 2 года назад
An example of how hard it is to obtain a firearms licence in the UK. When I was in the army, my Sgt. Major was refused a private shotgun licence because his cousin had been convicted of armed robbery. It took a letter of assurance from the Colonel to the Police authority for him to obtain it.
@Trek001
@Trek001 2 года назад
My dad was denied twice a permit for a shotgun because he "was not responsible enough" to have one... My father, at the time, was a gunnery officer in the Royal Navy.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
Bollocks don't believe that for a second, unless they shared a house his cousins crime would have no bearing on him.
@cardiffpicker1
@cardiffpicker1 2 года назад
@@Trek001 probably came down to amount of time spent away from where tbe guns were kept,section 2 is fairly easy to obtain.
@1889jonny
@1889jonny 2 года назад
@@cardiffpicker1 I only know he had to get the letter of assurance and said that was the reason, I didn't fact-check it obviously lol
@Chris_GY1
@Chris_GY1 2 года назад
Shooting in Britain is target, clay pigeon shooting or shooting birds on an estate of a stately home or farmers with shotguns dealing with pests as well as other shooting.
@HighHoeKermit
@HighHoeKermit 2 года назад
The problem with guns is that it takes almost no time and thought to cause tragedy. You can cause tragedy with anything or nothing at all, but it takes more commitment. We do have the occasional firearm tragedy, but they're just much more rare. The black market for guns was quite rife here after the war I believe, so I'm sure in the unlikely event that the USA chose to change their gun laws, the black market would continue almost indefinitely anyway.
@edmundscycles1
@edmundscycles1 2 года назад
Unfortunately it's not that rare . A friend I have who moved from London told me of how every night where he lived it sounded like NYE from the gang gun fights . Every big city is the same .
@FunnyFiveADay
@FunnyFiveADay 2 года назад
Great set up and video bro 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@donaldstewart3128
@donaldstewart3128 2 года назад
I live rural and some of my friends have guns for legit reasons. I have never seen a gun carried as a form of intimidation of one's fellow humans.
@musicbruv
@musicbruv 2 года назад
The main difference is the UK does not have a gun culture like the US. I also think that a US citizen carrying a gun for protection would be tempted to use it in a situation rather than use fist ect.
@waratahdavid696
@waratahdavid696 2 года назад
I've read that licence conceal carry people in US are 1/13th as likely to commit violent crime as general population.
@ianvincent4911
@ianvincent4911 2 года назад
I have seen this video before and it is one of the better ones - although still not entirely accurate. But then it is quite complicated. The thing to realise, is that nothing is actually "banned" in the UK.....however, getting the right to access certain things is nearly impossible to get. Everything is covered by levels, called "Sections". The basic summary is: Section 1 (aka Firearms Certificate): Any Semi-Auto 22 Rimfire Rifles and Long Barrelled Pistols. Any calibre Long Barrelled Revolver. Any calibre Manual Action Rifles (Bolt/Lever/Straight Pull). Any muzzleloading firearm...if you are going to fire it. Any shotguns that are not covered by Section 2 - including cannons under 24 inch long and rifled shotguns (but not semi or pump rifled). You have to have a valid reason for every firearm you own, and are assigned "slots" to buy them. You also have to have slots to buy the ammo for specific calibres too, and are restricted to a quantity of each calibre. Section 2 (aka Shotgun Certificate): Any smoothbore Shotgun with a capacity less than 3. So Pump, Semi-Auto and break action (with up to three barrels). The police have to have a valid reason why you can NOT have these and there are, in theory but they will query your storage security, no limits on how many you can buy. Section 5 (Restricted): Semi-Auto and Pump Action Rifles (including rifled shotguns). All pistols not covered by Section 1. Automatic firearms. Basically these are not possible to own by the general public.....but you can get permission to own or have Section 5 e.g. Registered Firearms Dealer that sells Section 5 firearms (often to the Police), humane dispatch (restricted revolvers or short barrelled .410 shotguns) which requires you to be a deer stalker or vet etc. There are also other Sections, which allow Section 5 firearm ownership. Section 7.1 Heritage Pistols: Certain pistols manufactured prior to 1 January 1919 and for which ammunition is not readily available to be held at home as part of a collection without ammunition and allows them to be exhibited. They need to held on a Section 1 firearms, so need a specific slot assigned to a specific gun (not just calibre). Section 7.3 Heritage Pistols (to be fired): Permits the possession and use of heritage pistols at Designated Sites of which the NRA at Bisley was the first and remains the largest in terms of numbers held (but other ranges are getting Section 7.3 permissions). You cannot personally remove the firearm from the site (unless you are an RFD with that right). They need to held on a Section 1 firearms, so need a specific slot assigned to a specific gun (not just calibre) and each gun will be assessed to see whether it is considered historically relevant (so post WWII pistols are much more difficult to get, unless you can show you have a specific reason to own e.g. to own every variant of a 1911 etc). Section 58 - Obsolete Calibres: Certain firearms are considered to have calibres that are no longer readily available and have historic relevance e.g. Martini Henry, 577 Snider, all historic muzzle loading firearms etc. These can be owned WITHOUT a certificate of any kind....as long as you do not actually fire them. So wallhangers essentially. However they can be made to be Section 1 and then fired, if you can load the appropriate ammo yourself.
@ababbington1
@ababbington1 Год назад
In the UK you simply can’t own a handgun or assault weapon at home. Since the Dunblane massacre (school shooting) gun laws are heavily restricted and rightly so. If you want to own a handgun you have to leave it in a gun club where you can use it but it must be registered and you must be eligible to own it. If you are caught with any calibre of handgun without the proper licence in the UK there is a minimum sentence of 5 years. It is very difficult to own a gun here and for that I am grateful.
@darrylglynn1557
@darrylglynn1557 2 года назад
I find that many of those who scream about constitutional rights when it comes to guns, forget the constitution when it comes to the separation of church and state.
@matthewmorel3758
@matthewmorel3758 2 года назад
I don’t care what the constitution says. If the second amendment got repealed tomorrow it would still be my right to own one. I think gun ownership should be permitted everywhere and with 3D printers and portable CNC machines that’s fortunately becoming a reality.
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 2 года назад
@@matthewmorel3758 No, it wouldn't be your right to own one if the constitution was changed. That's how rights a d constitutions work. Gun ownership is not a human right. It is not universal. And by the sound of it you are not protected to own a gun by the second either- because there is a proviso in ther about well regulated. And you do not strike me as someone who is well regulated at all.
@MrFinbarz
@MrFinbarz 2 года назад
@@matthewmorel3758 yeah whoopee now the world can be as gun crazy as murica. We all can't wait. Happily a downloaded gun from the Internet will still score you a hefty prison sentence in the UK 8 Yr minimum I believe.
@matthewmorel3758
@matthewmorel3758 2 года назад
@@MrFinbarz lmao you think laws stop people 😂😂😂. Here in the states a penny sized glock auto sear will get you a nice 10 year prison sentence but everyone in the city has them. You can even 3D print them.
@ambientfish1369
@ambientfish1369 2 года назад
When the 2nd amendment was written a skilled musketman could fire 5 aimed shots a minute and a decent musket took a highly skilled gun Smith many hours to make and they were expensive and very cumbersome, just sayin'. FYI, since January 2018, in Scotland you need a police issued license to own a sub 12 ft/lb air weapon or a sub 6 ft/lb air pistol.
@mariaeva1992
@mariaeva1992 2 года назад
Hey beard :) I think its difficult for Americans to understand the UK (and general European) mentality towards firearms. I live in London, so there's always the threat of knife crime, abuse, nutters etc. However, when I visited the US for 2 months (LA, Big Bear, Death Valley, Yosemite, San Fran) even in the countryside I was very apprehensive approaching people because in the back of my mind there was a possibility that the perfectly, nice person I was talking to could have a gun in their back pocket. Over here, its mostly confined to sport and hunting (which is rare). I think the current gun law in the US has a causality: the more people have access to guns, the higher the gun crime and hence more people buy guns to protect themselves. No disrespect, its just different to what I'm used to. We're not perfect in the UK but I'm thankful that owning a gun is not usual. Love and peace, love your channel x
@rodsmith7032
@rodsmith7032 2 года назад
The US knife crime rates are still way higher proportionally than the UKs, the US media like to portray the UK as a knife extravaganza, it is is an issue but NOWHERE near what it is reported as.
@Sublimeoo
@Sublimeoo 2 года назад
@@rodsmith7032 would rather be confronted by a knife wielding asshole than a gun wielding one. You can run away from a knife, or at least block the strikes with forearms in defence, whereas with guns running just results in you getting shot in the back, and bullets are blockable
@TheWeeJet
@TheWeeJet 2 года назад
A thing my uncle (who was my teacher when it came to learning how to shoot correctly) used to say was "their is only 3 legitimate reasons to own a gun. 1. Leisure 2. Hunting 3. Sport/ competition shooting. And any other reason someone gives is just bullshit and that includes self defence. "
@fionagregory9147
@fionagregory9147 Год назад
As an English person I see no reason why you should have guns at all. If you were civilised then there would be no need.
@faithpearlgenied-a5517
@faithpearlgenied-a5517 2 года назад
The thing that makes me laugh about people who own guns for self defence at home and swear their weapons are always locked up safely and unloaded is this - if someone breaks into your home with a gun, preparing to kill you and your family, are they going to sit and have a cuppa whilst they wait for you to go and get your gun from the safe, load it up and come and shoot them? It's ridiculous. You can't keep guns safely locked up and unloaded and then use them against a sudden intruder. It's virtually impossible. Most people who end up using their guns use them on themselves or their loved ones. Too many people are crazy.
@Westcountrynordic
@Westcountrynordic 2 года назад
I don't own a gun but even I know that you can get a gun out of a safe and loaded in less than 30 secs, An intruder many suddenly appear outside but if the door is locked it will take them longer the 30 secs to get in.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
If you hear someone trying to break into your house and have the gun unloaded, you can load it quickly. You can own a shotgun and scare most people out of your house with the sound of using the pump to chamber the shells. Most people over here have gun safes of some sort over here or at the top of their closets. 9 times out of 10, if a person hears someone trying to get into their house and they have a gun that needs to be loaded, that person trying to get in is in trouble.
@kamelionify
@kamelionify 2 года назад
that's because you don't understand. In the UK you are encouraged to keep the fireamrm and the ammunition apart. Indeed as part of getting your firearms certificate you have to show the firearms officer that you have a police approved firearms safe. Unles you have been shouting your mouth off burglars aren't going to know that you have firearms, and if you did the job properly they never will. The only reason you can have for using fireams against burglars if if they use firearms against you or are armed with the intent to deprive you of your firearms
@brianmason8059
@brianmason8059 2 года назад
I don't own a gun but most of my family are ex army and a few own guns. You can literally get your gun and load it in seconds and burglars don't need to have a gun to harm your family. A knife is just as deadly as close range.
@mickmackem1479
@mickmackem1479 2 года назад
@@Westcountrynordic Jim jefferies
@nick7076
@nick7076 2 года назад
With rights come responsibilities Hunting in the American sense isnt permitted in the UK. There are some hunting licenses for things like grouse which are strictly limited in number and time. Sport would be competitive target or clay pigeon. Leisure is an odd one because you cant have a gun just for fun.
@waratahdavid696
@waratahdavid696 2 года назад
There's more hunting than that in UK
@goddamnox
@goddamnox 2 года назад
Yes not quite accurate I think, lots of hunting with firearms is allowed and happens in the UK. Rabbit, Deer, Wild Boar (I think) and Foxes for example, with restrictions on calibre used dependent on quarry? Allowed for both sport (eg for the table? I think) and for pest control. Even more people do so with legal non FAC air guns for Pigeon, Rabbit, Squirrel etc. I think you can indeed have a gun for leisure, its called target shooting, you just need to be a member of a club so have somewhere safe to shoot?
@JugglyJen
@JugglyJen 2 года назад
Leisure also covers people like re-enactors. While some periods primarily use deactivated weapons that are unable to fire projectiles, others are live firing weapons that could, at least in theory, fire projectiles and as such come under the gun regulations.
@johnennis4586
@johnennis4586 2 года назад
Sgc and fac holder here, can't understand how suppressors are such a issue in the land of the 'free'
@chrisdevine5503
@chrisdevine5503 2 года назад
For me there's a difference in the application of 'desire' and 'need.' Most Brits have no need to own a firearm, and The vast majority that have no need, have no desire to own one. Whereas in the US, I feel that it the the desire to own a firearm that come first, even if there is no need.
@daveofyorkshire301
@daveofyorkshire301 2 года назад
People need to check their definitions... * _a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency_ * _a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army_ Then added specifically for our cousins over the pond... _(in the US) all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service_ By this definition in the USA if you've got flat feet, a conscientious objector or otherwise unfit to be in military service - even for mental health reasons then you aren't eligible to own a weapon, because you aren't a part of the militia.
@helenwood8482
@helenwood8482 2 года назад
Add in the "well-regulated" part and only members of the national guard have the right to a gun and it says nothing about them keeping it at home.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Wrong. Well regulated means working order. We have militia's here (some good, some should be immediately arrested). What is a militia? A military force raised from the civilian population that can supplement the standing army in times of emergency, or able bodied males that can be called into military service. No where in the 2nd amendment does is state that gun ownership is limited to the federal government or strictly to people in a standing army. The 2nd amendment reads A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Regardless of the interpretation, the right of the people, not the government, shall not be infringed so even if militia is interpreted as standing army or military, the last bit, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, so that would give the military, and non military the right to possess firearms in this country.
@daveofyorkshire301
@daveofyorkshire301 2 года назад
@@TheEclecticBeard I did put the dictionary definition in my post...
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
@Dave of Yorkshire. I know. I was responding to the first replier specifically but I'll add to it for yours because militia also refers to all able bodied individuals than can be called to military service. Even outside of that, militia is not for a military force but also includes everyone that owes it's allegiance to a government and depends on them for protection. Well regulated (working order or able to fight) being necessary to the security of a free state (from foreign governments or the one here), The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. It's not just in reference to folks in the military or that meet the requirements. It's every citizen that would put themselves out there for the defense of the country from foreign or it's own government that has the right to own a gun. That said, There's stipulations that can be put on gun ownership that wouldn't interfere with the right to own one.
@happydog3422
@happydog3422 2 года назад
It's gone way past the point where the US can change its gun laws. In the UK we used to be able to carry guns not that long ago relatively but we changed the law in carrying rather than owning.
@VaderWhoop
@VaderWhoop 2 года назад
Skipped was also the MINIMUM statute 5 year prison sentence for any person carrying a firearm on property not owned by them or that they do not have permission to be on; whether the firearm is loaded or not. Also, re air powered firearm, the limit is 12ft lb muzzle energy for rifles and 6ft lbs for pistols; beyond which a firearms licence must be obtained. With regard to the application/vetting process (at least for section 1) a firearms officer will do a site visit to determine the actual need for s1 usage on the land. If a lesser powered or calibre firearm could be used, then the application will be amended to a suitable firearm or the application will fail. ( this is mostly in relation to farmers/farm land and pest control )
@ffotograffydd
@ffotograffydd 2 года назад
The US wouldn’t need to ban guns, just ammunition. Then all those AR15s become expensive clubs.
@EclecticInstinct
@EclecticInstinct 2 года назад
Good reaction again, Sir. Thank you.
@VulcansForge
@VulcansForge 2 года назад
Sport in the UK would not be hunting. Sport would refer to Olympic style shooting. Pest control for farmers counts as Work.
@richardhargrave6082
@richardhargrave6082 2 года назад
EB, a balanced view, you're right, there is a criminal underground that can supply firearms. You need to be in the crime business to get one. Different culture. Self defence is not a good enough reason to own a gun. Knife crime is an issue, its horrifying who many young people are getting killed with knives...
@joeglover6367
@joeglover6367 2 года назад
It also goes on your accommodation here too, the safe to store your shotgun for example has to be fixed from a certain distance of neighbouring walls…… if you live in a flat for example (apartment) you can’t legally have a fitted safe meaning you can’t have the gun
@forgetmenotjimmy
@forgetmenotjimmy 2 года назад
Interesting video! Big predators went extinct in the UK a few hundred years ago but they're talking about reintroducing wolves and lynxes in England and Scotland for deer population control. When I was a kid there was a panther roaming the countryside though. I assume he escaped from a zoo but I can't remember the whole story.
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 2 года назад
Hello Alan. One of my first memories is of "helping mum" in the kitchen, when she said "Your dad is late". We were called into the living room "He's on telly", just in time to see him kick in the door on an armed siege. He would not carry a gun, though his colleagues who went in did. I was scared on first seeing open carry in US, but my friend laughed and said, the bloke you saw in a cap would be the motel security. On getting to Texas his family took me to a gun fair. I was offered a Chinese made Kalashnikov for less than fifty dollars and shown where to file the small piece off to make it fully automatic. When I explained I was from UK, I was offered a hand gun on private sale there and then. Then going out in the desert with no help for miles, you can see why people there might want one. The most dangerous wild animal UK farmers would likely come across is a badger. There are big stags in Scotland, but not common everywhere. The rodents here would be hares or rabbits. Some farms still keep terriers for rats and farm cats for mice. As a tiny kid my family stayed in a caravan on a farm in Wales. The farmer had shot a fox and was carrying it. As a city kid I cried out " poor doggy", but now the foxes are common city dwellers too, as there are no raccoon type animals here to fill the scavenging role they filled.
@steelytail
@steelytail 2 года назад
Those Scottish stags have never hurt anyone. Unless they were to get between two of them during the rutting season.
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 2 года назад
@@steelytail I was thinking that I was warned about deer in US being big and were a danger when driving.
@thimbur3543
@thimbur3543 2 года назад
Yeah, farmers usually have shotguns or maybe a rifle for foxes or a dog that may be worrying their livestock. I don't think there's anything else much that they can legally shoot, though I think the law's being, or has been recently, amended on rooks and crows so they can shoot those under certain circumstances.
@cideryeti7957
@cideryeti7957 2 года назад
Alan Smithee the biggest predator facing the UK farmers is the f*&king fly tippers. Scum of the earth.
@samanthagarrett3671
@samanthagarrett3671 Год назад
Hares and rabbits are not rodents, they are largomorphs.
@simonthomas5113
@simonthomas5113 2 года назад
"Threats to public safety" tends to mean people with dishonesty / violence convictions, as well as mental health issues. Interestingly, UK gun owners have a special code on their doctor's notes letting the doctor know that if he has to give the patient "bad news" the police will be informed and they will confiscate any firearms to prevent the shooter from using them in suicide. I always think "well what about kitchen knives and rope then?"
@sisuguillam5109
@sisuguillam5109 2 года назад
People tend not to use kitchen knives and rope to kill themselves as readily as they use available guns. And if I remember correctly people tend to use meds, buildings, and trains rather than knives and ropes.
@simonthomas5113
@simonthomas5113 2 года назад
@@sisuguillam5109 I hope I'm never in that position. I don't know what I'd do, but for me personally and hopefully it never happens that way, it wouldn't be with a gun.
@mgytitanic1912
@mgytitanic1912 2 года назад
As a rule of thumb, I would say needing it for work would be a farmer needing a shotgun to protect his crops and livestock. Sport would be, perhaps, Grouse or Pheasant shooting. Leisure would be along the along lines of Clay Pidgeon shooting, or something like that.
@jayo5483
@jayo5483 2 года назад
Great content. Can I ask what webcam and recording application you use possibly?
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Logitech 1080 webcam and OBS for recording.
@fermitupoupon1754
@fermitupoupon1754 2 года назад
Over here in my little neck of Euroland, the licensing requirements are more strict than they are in the UK and no one seems to have a problem with it. They used to be more like the UK, but then some wanker with a licensed automatic rifle shot up a mall. So yeah bi-annual psych-profiling is now a standard part of the license requirement. There are also more restrictions on calibre and all that jazz now. So you have to be a member (this requires a sort of permit as well) of a registered gun club for at least a year. At which point you're allowed to own a single small calibre handgun. The gun club has to have an active competition and all member are required to participate in said competition. If you want to be a hunter you need to either own or have notarised access to a hunting domain, before you can even apply for a license to hunt, you still have to be a member of a club and participate in their competition. In part this is to have a bit of social surveillance I suppose, when the board of a club notices someone going downhill psychologically, they are required to report it. Though how effective that is remains to be seen. Similar rules apply to airsoft replicas, because they often resemble a real fire arm. You have to have a background check, though less strict, you have to be a member of a club, you have to participate in events regularly (I believe at least once every 6 weeks) and the license has to be renewed every year. Air rifles, however are still pretty much unrestricted. No 7.5J limitations, none of that. You just have to be over 18 and you can buy whatever you like. I can buy and own a .50 cal 1000J+ PCP air rifle and no one cares. Now air rifle incidents are extremely rare, I've only heard of one in the news over the past decade, but that did involve a death. And given the air rifle that was used there, my plinking rifle is much more dangerous. Also silencers are very much recommended with air rifles here, you wouldn't want to disturb the neighbours when plinking. As far as I can find this stems from the idea that air rifles were mostly owned by farmers for pest control. And that they are relatively safe, i.e. unable to kill a person from across the street. These days that is less and less the case. Not that less farmers own an air rifle, but more that it's become more popular as a sport.
@SatsumaTengu14
@SatsumaTengu14 2 года назад
Sorry to disagree, a 'well regulated militia' at the time referred to what today you would call reserves- as in military reserves which were also used for local law enforcement etc. Well regulated referred to training. As a boy our reserves were called militia still here in Canada- which was called British North America before Confederation. Not that I was around for Confederation, lol. Great review. 👍
@stevedrake1965
@stevedrake1965 2 года назад
There are trades in the UK that allows the use of revolvers these are modified to chamber either 1 or 2 rounds no more but you can have a historical revolver that can be loaded with either 5 or 6 rounds depending on the chamber and type of revolver
@grumpyratt2163
@grumpyratt2163 2 года назад
As a side note. I believe in 1984. Under the Reagan administration. There was a ban on fully automatic machine guns. ( althought there are a couple exception to the ban as the ban is not retroactive. Meaning any weapon that fulls under the category of machine gun made before 1984 is not covered by the ban. Ownership of such weapon comes under federal jurisdiction and collectors can apply for a federal licence to own them).
@robcampion9917
@robcampion9917 2 года назад
I worked in the shooting industry in the UK for about 20 years and the gun laws can seem complicated. And the funny thing with knives is that they restricted the length of pocket knives and that sort but you can walk into a shop and pick up kitchen knives with no problem and they are the ones that people use.
@weshouldsaveourselves6780
@weshouldsaveourselves6780 2 года назад
the country cant just ban buying knives because we use them in the kitchen. Solving crime isnt just one thing, its many things that need to be looked at. We should take a look at countries with little to no crime like Japan, Qatar, Dubai and many more and see what they are doing to prevent crime . Key word prevent.
@robcampion9917
@robcampion9917 2 года назад
@@weshouldsaveourselves6780 Part of my point was that they don't even ID or anything like that and I do agree with what you are saying, as much like the drug problem some places have you need to takeaway the demand first before you try to stop the supply. Btw I had two relatives in the Met police, so I know exactly what they use, screw drivers are also popular as well.
@weshouldsaveourselves6780
@weshouldsaveourselves6780 2 года назад
@@robcampion9917 yeah they'll even use a spoon if they're creative enough. Point is when you have a crime dense population giving them guns is probably not the best thing considering they are capable of making a kitchen spoon a deadly weapon. Second is that preventing crime is just as important as treating crime. We need tougher laws to combat complacent and repeat offenders because this issue will just get worse and with the "slap on the wrist" attitude the UK has, it isn't going to get us anywhere. Do what Qatar does or Saudi. Anyone who steals chop their hand off. Then let's see how many theives will steal old women's handbags or Rob the corner store. Some may say this is extreme. I would say the expats and people in Qatar ain't complaining. Over there crime is non existent and anyone can understand why. The prevention is held in a high regard and people don't want to commit crimes even the poor immigrants from India and Pakistan. They know what will happen. This is what we need in the UK. No more nannying!
@robcampion9917
@robcampion9917 2 года назад
@@weshouldsaveourselves6780 Remember stop and search is bad and racist according to some of the people in charge.
@weshouldsaveourselves6780
@weshouldsaveourselves6780 2 года назад
@@robcampion9917 we need the stop and search especially in the knife crime areas. We need more police on the streets to monitor and tackle the crime. The police have gotta be professional and not discriminate because that happens quite a lot around the world.
@philipr1567
@philipr1567 2 года назад
I think the size of a country must be considered, as well as the culture. Being geographically small, pretty much every piece of land in Britain is either owned or administered. Hunting in the sense of shooting an animal in the wild is not an issue. Protection against wild animals is also not an issue - we don't have wolves, bears, big cats etc. Shooting animals is mostly done on private estates (organised parties to shoot specially raised game birds or deer), or on farms (to control vermin such as foxes). Sport shooting (clays or targets) is done in clubs and on privately owned land.
@steveknight878
@steveknight878 2 года назад
Australia is pretty big, with large areas that have few inhabitants...
@iallso1
@iallso1 2 года назад
I live in New Zealand where there is much more of a hunting society than in the UK but probably less so than the US. It is common for some people to go out with rifles and sometimes dogs depending on what they are hunting, shooting deer or boar mainly, but also goats. Children are often encouraged to start by shooting possum, and professional hunters and well to do tourists pay good money to helicopter hunt tahr. There has also been a push to encourage people to get out and shoot wallaby. Duck numbers are also controlled by shooting at certain times of the year. All the species mentioned were introduced into the country, some specifically for hunting, some escaped captivity and found the country to their liking, but all are considered pests. That said, the types of weapons are strictly controlled, especially since the Christchurch Mosque shooting two years ago, and gun crime is still reasonably uncommon.
@steelhelmetstan7305
@steelhelmetstan7305 2 года назад
Collectors can collect obsolete calibre weapons, deactivated weapons. Also replica air guns are very popular if only for target/plinking, re enactors and Air softers can have non firing replicas and airsoft and as mentioned for pest control air rifles ,(sub 12ft lb) , and pistols , (sub 6ft lb...I think) are adequate for the job. In short you can have a 'representation ' of a gun under certain circumstances and for most uk folk interested in a bit of target work or collecting, deactivated and air guns are fine....and a lot safer! 🙂🙂🙂
@mikeelrick2142
@mikeelrick2142 2 года назад
Uzis, and certain ARs etc r legal but doubt you'll find a gun shop that sells them in UK. Most firearms licences are farmers owning shotguns .
@Dave-bu6bc
@Dave-bu6bc 2 года назад
Firearms certificates and Shotgun certificates are 2 different things with different rules for issuing them (it's a lot easier to get SGC than FAC). Most recent figures I remember are about 160,000 FAC and about 560,000 SGC. There are only about 100,000 farmers in the UK. When viewed from outside the shooting community it's hard to see who has guns in the UK, we're not supposed to talk about it and can have our FAC withdrawn and guns taken away for boasting about gun collections, posing for photos with guns etc. I'm pretty sure there's more target shooters than farmers tho.
@dogsnads5634
@dogsnads5634 2 года назад
A really simple google search would prove that wrong...plenty of UK gun shops sell single action AR's in 5.56 and semi's in .22. Farmers have Shotgun licences...not firearms.
@AlexFlanderzzz
@AlexFlanderzzz 2 года назад
Without watching this reaction first, I have to say I’m actually immensely intrigued by both sides of the gun argument in the US. I don’t think firearms could ever be forcibly taken from Americans who support it. Us Brits and Yanks are too stubborn in our personality, and there would be chaos if any president tried. All I would say personally, is that the branches of the US Constitution are called ‘amendments’ for a reason. Policies and laws aren’t infinite. It undermines democracy.
@admiralsnackbar69
@admiralsnackbar69 2 года назад
Tbh the vast majority of the UK public was absolutely horrified about what happened in Dunblane and that was enough to hand over their weapons.
@TarnishUK
@TarnishUK 2 года назад
Ok so I've been an armourer on military equipment for over thirty years and that AR15 argument simply does not hold water .223 is essentially identical to 5.56mm. The modern civil AR15 is based on the military AR15 that entered service in the early 1960s, with no differences in the essential features bar the lack full auto. As somebody who was trained by the British Army, full automatic was reserved for very specific situations, FIBUA, close woodland and when directed as part of an ambush group. The rest of the time rifles would be set to Repetion (semi). The fact is especially with an intermediate cartridge accurate aimed fire can be put down very rapidly making it far more effective than letting rip on automatic. The .223/5.56mm projectile doesn't give a rat's arse what it was fired from, civil or military rifle, the effect on target is the same. It was originally designed as a military rifle and at heart remains just that. The knife issue here while certainly a problem in bigger cities is very much overblown by some of the US media to claim that the whole of the UK is awash in knife crime. It is not. As regards gun culture here in the UK, yes it's true there basically isn't one, the vast majority of the population are not remotely interested and there isn't the space in the countryside or range of wildlife to drive a large interest in hunting. That last slide with the UZI and HK416, all those rifles mentioned are all versions in .22lr, semi auto only, none of them are of course available in semi (or full auto) in their original calibres.
@ffotograffydd
@ffotograffydd 2 года назад
100% agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve had the AR15 discussion with people so many times and people seem blind to the fact that a weapon does not have to be an automatic to do a huge amount of damage! In my 12 years serving in HM Forces I fired a weapon on automatic precisely once, on the range, because my instructor wanted me to have that experience.
@leonbrooks2107
@leonbrooks2107 2 года назад
My uncle is a retired UK Marine, former Armed Police Officer and retired private security here is the UK and he had quite a few different guns with his jobs. I used to go shooting with him and my cousin and I know he had an Uzi and the HK-416.
@Tim_3100
@Tim_3100 2 года назад
Agree with antony our laws are amongst some of the strictest in the world not saying the most though but it means we are much safer and thats a good thing in my eyes
@Dave-bu6bc
@Dave-bu6bc 2 года назад
It's the fact that we're an island that makes us safer, criminals aren't choosing to obey gun laws they're just having some difficulty working out how to get the guns in.
@Tim_3100
@Tim_3100 2 года назад
@@Dave-bu6bc true aswell
@dexos9248
@dexos9248 2 года назад
I understand the 2 nd amendment and what it means . And when it was written it made perfect sense. The trouble is that it doesn’t matter how many guns you have if you need to defend yourself against a tyrannical government, (which is loosely what the 2nd amendment was written for) you don’t stand a chance in the modern world. You might have a AR15 but you’re government has got drones and if that’s not enough the most powerful military in the world . Don’t misunderstand me I’m English and am obviously biased and probably don’t have all my facts straight but if you can’t protect yourselves from a tyrannical government why do you need a semi automatic for home protection. I agree that it’s your right to defend yourself and your family. I respect that right. A handgun is the better choice for home protection. I just don’t understand why you need that kind of firepower. Maybe just maybe it’s because Americans love their guns . We don’t over here. It can be debated for ever . So what I just wrote is pretty irrelevant really 😂
@emperorpicard4901
@emperorpicard4901 2 года назад
It worked for the Vietnamese. History is full of uprising against powerful adversaries, but often not even necessary, often its just the threat of a uprising that makes a government think twice, and such a threat is taken more seriously if the populace is armed. I simply don't buy this "It would not work today" attitude, guess what every tyrannical government in history try to make everyone think, that its pointless to resist. But even against a more powerful adversary, resisting can have a much bigger impact then you think, it can rally support. There is a powerful image in resisting, think about tiananmen square, the guy resisted, and lost, but the image is important.
@snafufubar
@snafufubar 2 года назад
I suggest watching news from the latest Russian intervention and see how the local population there fare. And without China and Russia the Viet Cong would have been gone in a year.
@djlads
@djlads 2 года назад
UK's last mass shooting was in August last year (2021) in Plymouth 6 dead including a child. He was checked by police, friends and family reported some concerns yet he was able to convince police he was ok and held his licence. The last before that was in 2010 in Cumbria taxi driver killed 12 people. Neither led to changes in our gun laws. Our gun laws last changed in 1997 in response to the Dunblane massacre where a guy shot up a primary school killing 16 kids and their teacher. Before that rules were that restrict as many people weren't interested in owning them.
@stevehughes6627
@stevehughes6627 2 года назад
From a UK point of view; your 2nd amendment says you have the right to bear arms. That was made in the time of flintlock type muskets; ok against N Indians, rebel nutters . A musket is ok against similar type people. Consider it nowadays - pistols, single trigger rifles ok. But who the f.vk needs M60/M16 or any other auto guns? Who needs military type guns except the military or police ?
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Nobody here except someone with money to spare has auto weapons. The ones they have or have bought aren't in working condition as they've been retrofitted. The normal citizen here or gun owner isn't going to own an automatic weapon.
@Dave-bu6bc
@Dave-bu6bc 2 года назад
2nd amendment was 1791, over 80 years after the first machine gun (the Puckle gun), and almost 15 years after Joseph Belton told Congress about his 5 round per second rapid fire invention and supplied them with 100 samples of it. Suggesting that 2nd amendment comes from a time when only flintlock muskets existed is historical revisionism, an untruth told for political aims.
@ala5530
@ala5530 2 года назад
@@Dave-bu6bc Thank you for the context. I didn't know when the 2nd Amendment was enacted. That puts it roughly 10 years after Joseph Chambers developed a fully automatic repeating flintlock rifle, and almost contemporaneous with his development of a 7-barrelled, 200ish shot fully automatic flintlock volley gun (I'd argue the first true machine gun, in the sense of one manual activation of the trigger mechanism firing multiple shots in succession. Calling the Puckle gun a machine gun is possibly a bit of a stretch, given how it works). Side note- the Chambers volley gun (or a replica thereof, given there are only two known to still exist) is one of the few guns that I, as a Brit, would want to own, given infinite money. It's really cool, although it does depend on having nearly 200 of a specialist shot for each time you wanted to fire it, as every ball behind the first seven was a proprietary flat-nosed conical base with a hole drilled through the centre.
@ianmorris3751
@ianmorris3751 2 года назад
I was a referee for someone who wanted to own a gun. When the interviewer talked to me he just rang me up and said ‘is he the kind of person that would go and shoot someone?’ And I said ‘8 don’t think so’ and that was it.
@admiralsnackbar69
@admiralsnackbar69 2 года назад
My mate owns a fair few guns and has done for 15 years here in the UK and regularly goes to the range. One mass school shooting was enough for us to say enough and happy about that. Edit: also per capita our knife crime is still low compared the states and its vastly a London issue where most of the country is fine.
@MICAHSMIX
@MICAHSMIX 2 года назад
and the VAST majority of gun related crimes in the US are in the major cities with the strictest gun laws. and mostly related to gang violence
@johnsmith8906
@johnsmith8906 2 года назад
He owns a few guys‽ Call the police!!! 😀
@MICAHSMIX
@MICAHSMIX 2 года назад
And after gang related violence in major cities the next highest is suicides which if I'm not mistaken account for almost 30% of gun related deaths in the US
@markarapis5267
@markarapis5267 2 года назад
Not all was happy about it
@admiralsnackbar69
@admiralsnackbar69 2 года назад
@@johnsmith8906 fixed haha
@charlestaylor3027
@charlestaylor3027 2 года назад
The framers missed how guns would advance. A fast musketeer got up to 2 or 3 shots a minute, provided it wasn't raining.
@ala5530
@ala5530 2 года назад
...and the rest. Seriously, during the Napoleonic Wars, a musketeer who only managed 3 rounds a minute in all weather was considered marginal. The expected rate of fire was 4-5 (6 if you allowed them to cheat and have a round loaded before you started the clock) for good troops.
@TheEclecticBeard
@TheEclecticBeard 2 года назад
Because they hadn't seen any advancements in gun technology in their lifetimes? They knew guns would advance, even more reason to include it. If I had to rely on my government for protection or only the police, which where I live is an average of an hour response time then I'd be in trouble.
@Outland9000
@Outland9000 2 года назад
One thing that I think the video did not mention is that suppressors are quite easy to get in the UK. Also double barrelled shotguns (for clay shooting etc) are quite easy to get as well.
@sleeperyjeemtoybox
@sleeperyjeemtoybox 2 года назад
Generally speaking here in Scotland drugs top the charts for death, followed by knifes. Dunblane still casts a long shadow here, oh and there is rumbles of banning crossbows next.
@cyberash3000
@cyberash3000 2 года назад
in the uk 68 people where killed last year tryign to have sex with cows, id imagine in wales the sheep sex deaths are in the hundreds and hundreds
@cyberash3000
@cyberash3000 2 года назад
@@BluntofHwicce they arnt banning them they are putting them under licence
@cyberash3000
@cyberash3000 2 года назад
@@BluntofHwicce they want to make it so you have to have a licence that isn't banning them unless you are you are criminal
@cyberash3000
@cyberash3000 2 года назад
@@BluntofHwicce go get a licence.
@cyberash3000
@cyberash3000 2 года назад
If you have nothing to hide getting a licence won't be a problem.
@derekmills1080
@derekmills1080 2 года назад
Our gun laws are very strict with mandatory prison sentences for holding unlicensed firearms. The sentences vary with the firearm and especially if used in crime. Even ex-armed forces risk prison if found with 'souvenirs' from their active service. The laws have been gradually made stricter. I'm 73 and my younger cousin, with a keen interest in WWII, was bought a deactivated 303 Lee-Enfield for his 60th birthday (no firing pin and welded block in barrel). Nevertheless, the arms supplier recommended he used a bolted bracket for wall mount and advised he could be in trouble if it wasn't secure and stolen, since a stranger wouldn't know it was deactivated if used in a robbery.
@martinconnelly1473
@martinconnelly1473 2 года назад
Whenever we (RAF) had been firing on the range we had to make a declaration that we were not in possession of any rounds, spent cartridges or blanks before we were allowed to leave the range. I can't remember what happened after an exercise where blanks were in use but I think we were given a warning of the consequences of souvenirs.
@bionicgeekgrrl
@bionicgeekgrrl 2 года назад
@@martinconnelly1473 when I was in the air training corps, the exact same thing was carried out whenever the squadron went to a range, usually it was an army base. Mind most of the time only the .22 rifle was fired, but the light was used as well, and the l81 too, but breach problems saw that withdrawn before I had any use of it.
@Cobalt-Jester
@Cobalt-Jester 2 года назад
When you send off for your firearm license and you fill in all the forms. When you get the letter back saying you failed. They will not tell you what is the correct qualifiers. It constantly varies on what they deem as a good reason. One of my friends owns a few 1000 acres of farm land. He was trying to get a shotgun license to control pests. He'd spent £2000 on a heavy duty gun safe, had no children that could hurt themselves and he was refused. IIFC he had just 14 days to appeal or he couldn't re-apply for 12 months. He was so incensed that on his appeal papers under the reasons why he wanted a gun he wrote "I don't want one". And he got his shotgun licence.
@djlads
@djlads 2 года назад
You mentioned moles and shooting them, did you watch the Jasper Carrott skit about shooting moles 😄😄 should also watch is Lollypop one too. Farmers have it work for "pests" that could be foxes or badgers etc, but also may have it for hunting. Many
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