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American Reacts to Operation Black Buck (Part 1) | Falklands War 🇬🇧✈️ 

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This is a Patreon request from Mark, but I'm way overdue learning about this. The Falkland's War is something I know nothing about, so I learned a lot in this video. But boy...I have questions. And it was great to see the Vulcan Bombers in action! If you enjoyed this video, please like and subscribe!
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@SoGal_YT
@SoGal_YT 2 года назад
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@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
Watch dads army the original 1960s episodes
@philshorten3221
@philshorten3221 2 года назад
You asked about launching from an aircraft carrier to hit the run way. Trouble is, if your carrier is close enough to hit the runway then aircraft from the runway can hit you!
@stuartfitch7093
@stuartfitch7093 2 года назад
Not only are Victors and vulcans too large to be taken onboard an aircraft carrier or land/takeoff from an aircraft carrier but at the time of the Falklands war the UK military was being drastically cut back due to budget cuts and though we had aircraft carriers they were very small ones around a quarter of the size of our new queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier we operate today. Indeed, the aircraft carriers at the time were so small that we had to use harrier jump jet fighters aboard them because even conventional fighter aircraft could not be used on them. We had to have VTOL (Vertical Take Off and Landing) capibility of the harrier jump jet fighter just to be able to operate fighter aircraft from the tiny aircraft carriers we operated at the time. That's why there's the ski ramp at the end of the flight deck, to help the aircraft get airborne in a short distance take off due to a short flight deck. US carriers don't have a ski ramp because they don't need one because a US aircraft carrier is much larger and had a longer flight deck. I would point out that it is different today. The gap in size between US and UK aircraft carriers has narrowed a lot with the building of the new Royal Navy hms queen Elizabeth and hms Prince of Wales. Which are the largest ships ever built for the Royal Navy.
@markthompson4567
@markthompson4567 2 года назад
air to air re-fueling is done more by fighter planes over hostile lands fighters have a very limited range bombers are not as limited by range but 8000 miles its needed and the bomber is far to big for aircraft carrier
@nigels.6051
@nigels.6051 2 года назад
The Vulcan used a parachute to stop on a conventional runway, so no chance of stopping on an aircraft carrier, remember they were carrying 10 tonnes of bombs, they are not little fighter jets despite the looks! The reason for using it to bomb the runway was mainly that it was about to be scrapped, so was entirely expendable, including the crew that was due for retirement at age 50+, whereas the aircraft on the carriers and their young pilots, including HRH Prince Andrew, where extremely valuable and in very short supply. Yes, the computer was entirely mechanical, nuclear blast proof unlike electronic ones, and there was no computer assisting in the flight control for refueling.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
Regarding the birds on Garvey Island, I remember the cartoon in the newspaper of a couple of seagulls with tin hats on, a Vulcan screaming overhead, and one seagull saying to the other "The noise is bad enough - but it's the droppings I really object to".
@glastonbury4304
@glastonbury4304 2 года назад
The people who live on the Falklands couldn't be more British if they tried 👍💕
@matty6848
@matty6848 2 года назад
True. It’s amazing how those that live in commonwealth or overseas British lands are strangely more British than us who live on the mother land. I remember working in Trinidad and Tobago and whilst installing and air conditioning system in a school over there they had a huge picture of the Queen in the entrance and all the kids wore perfectly ironed blazers and the girls wore straw hats like they would back in the 1950s in the U.K. during play time all the little kids were coming up asking if we was from England and what’s the Queen like. I laughed I said I don’t know she lives in her big Buckingham palace and Windsor castle, with her armed guards. I asked the girls what would you do if the Queen came to your school? “We would stand in line nice and neat and curtsy the Queen as she walked past us. Best is they’d been independent since 1962 this was 2002 and they still loved the commonwealth and the connection with Britain especially the older Trinidad Tobago people😂
@pigstrotters4198
@pigstrotters4198 Год назад
That's because of the lack of immigration.
@karenblackadder1183
@karenblackadder1183 2 года назад
We only had 2 carriers! Hermes was due to be decommissioned and Invincible was in the process of being sold to Australia. The Falklands are 8,000 miles away from Britain. Ascension Island is almost exactly halfway between us. US military chiefs of staff were adamant that this could not be done. They still hadn't learned to never underestimate what the RAF and the mighty Vulcan were capable of!!
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
Illustrious was finished in a rush to get it ready but the Argentine Junta misjudged Britain's and definitely Thatcher's response.
@karenblackadder1183
@karenblackadder1183 2 года назад
@@vinnyganzano1930 They certainly did!. Thank God Maggie was in charge and not the pathetic limp lettuce leaves that were immediately before or after.
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
@@karenblackadder1183 Hard to believe that today's labour party is even worse than what we had back then.
@_starfiend
@_starfiend 2 года назад
@@vinnyganzano1930 And the current tories!
@jonchedgy6654
@jonchedgy6654 2 года назад
You also have to remember our carriers were tiny compared to US superxarriers They were 1/4 of the displacement and could house around 20-25 aircraft (and some of those would be helicopters)
@paulprest559
@paulprest559 2 года назад
I was on the flagship during the Falklands and remember black buck flying over us even though we couldn’t see it , it was a great morale booster to us , I’ve original photos of the damage done to the airfield which was minimal , the carriers harriers continued to attack the airfield with one of the harriers been shot down with the loss of the brave pilot .
@markschons7774
@markschons7774 2 года назад
The single hit achieved to the runway was enough (both short term in physical damage and long term psychological) to keep the Argentine fast jets from using Stanley as a base The follow up Harrier attacks reinforced this If the AAF had been able to stage out of Stanley The carriers would have been in greater danger and had to pull further back and the landings at San Carlos would have been much more difficult / costly possibly resulting in the failure of the whole enterprise
@josephmckenna1228
@josephmckenna1228 2 года назад
Thank you for what you did mate- you and those like you are the best amongst us. 🙏🇬🇧🙏🇬🇧
@guypenrose5477
@guypenrose5477 2 года назад
The first British Sea Harrier was lost at Goose Green 3 days after this raid - sadly with the loss of the pilot. Whilst logistically and in terms of airmanship the ‘Black Buck’ operations were very impressive, the outcomes were poor ( acknowledging the morale element to the fleet!) The runway at Stanley was far too short to operate jets safely at any point during the war, the Black Buck raids would have therefore been part of the attempt to interdict the flow of logistics into Stanley - that flow didn’t stop until right up to the Argentine surrender.
@tigertiger1699
@tigertiger1699 2 года назад
Man … he’ll of a thing they and you guys did… I have taught young people here in 🇳🇿 of it… simply astounding what well train and committed teams can do… even with older gear against the odds And I guess the legacy of the British forces to hold clear of the mud..
@guypenrose5477
@guypenrose5477 2 года назад
@@tigertiger1699 Take out the politics and yes you are right it was an amazing and outstanding feat of arms and dare I say it something to be proud about. It was rather typically British thing to do and I admire those that took part hugely.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
I think one of the reasons for the Vulcan raid was to show we could hit The Falklands and the Argentinean mainland without the carriers that were on their way, it was partly a psychological thing and made the Argentineans think twice about basing fighters on the islands The aircraft carriers were still on their way and the aim of this mission was to stop the Argentineans basing fighters on the islands to attack those carriers with ease
@wembleyford
@wembleyford 2 года назад
Alternatively the main reason why the raid took place was so that the RAF didn't feel left out...Militarily it was pretty useless and fairly reckless.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
@@wembleyford No not really reckless, it was definitely dangerous, but it did stop the Argentineans basing fighters on the islands which would have given them quicker turn around times and more attacks on the approaching task force giving the Argentineans a higher likelihood of success against that task force plus longer times not only to engage the ships but also the UK fighter force on those ships, having them fly from the Argentinian mainland gave then very little loiter time in the target area.
@CaptainCalculus
@CaptainCalculus 2 года назад
Yeah, the message is: we can fly down and hit Port Stanley--we can also hit Buenos Aires
@wembleyford
@wembleyford 2 года назад
@@CaptainCalculus Unfortunately, the reality was 'we can barely get to Port Stanley, couldn't do much damage, and didn't have any fighter escort'. They'd have been slaughtered attempting to bomb Buenos Aires
@CaptainCalculus
@CaptainCalculus 2 года назад
@@wembleyford yeah but they didn't know that
@Kari_B61ex
@Kari_B61ex 2 года назад
" Shoving wet spaghetti up a cats backside" - Got to love the British sense of humour and way with words.
@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
🤣🤣🤣😂😂
@robertmcghintheorca49
@robertmcghintheorca49 3 месяца назад
Come to think of it, that combined with John Reeve's observation of two insects mating in flight makes sense considering they had to manoeuvre the somewhat phallic looking refuelling probe into the shuttlecock-like basket on the end of the tanker's drogue. Kind of ironic that it was the opposite way with the fuel coming out of the tanker into the receiving aircraft.
@eddiejohnson5183
@eddiejohnson5183 2 года назад
The Vulcans and refuelling planes needed a longer runway than that available on an Aircraft carrier.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
Yeah about 16 times longer and twice as wide
@BlameThande
@BlameThande 2 года назад
They were able to turn the old Vulcan base at Finningley, near where I live, into an airport that could take Concorde. There's a rumour it could even take a Space Shuttle landing!
@mariaamor7534
@mariaamor7534 2 года назад
Very true, British carriers arnt quite as large as American, we just can't fund ones that large anymore and have no reason to. But that said even the largest American carrier may not have been large enough. But in true British spirt we found a way and made it happen as we always have.
@TrashskillsRS
@TrashskillsRS 2 года назад
@@mariaamor7534 American ones are not large enough either.
@drewjsnyder3
@drewjsnyder3 2 года назад
Very true. Also both HMS Carriers were already in forward operating positions for a different aspect of the recapture. Schematics of what the Vulcan required aside. I'm American so I see this a lot. Countries can't just send out Aircraft Carriers they don't have. America is spoiled having 11 carriers and rarely more than 3 or 4 are in dry docks. Unique operations open up a little bit more if you have 7 or 8 combat ready nuclear powered vessels. Any country losing any carrier would be detrimental. But losing 1 of 8 is a lot more manageable than losing 1 of 2.
@charlestaylor9424
@charlestaylor9424 2 года назад
A Vulcan is a huge aircraft, even a US Ford class couldn't take one.
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan 2 года назад
The following was heard said by Argentinians during the raid: “Caramba Pablo! If this is the size of their planes, just HOW BIG is their aircraft carrier?”
@grsymes
@grsymes 2 года назад
I've seen 2 Vulcans, they are proportioned like fighter aircraft but are so much bigger. 3 stories tall.
@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
Lol 🤣 Kate price could
@davidwebley6186
@davidwebley6186 2 года назад
@@grsymes I have seen the Vulcan do a low run of about 100ft during several air displays. Oh boy they exuded power. If one of those was coming at me in anger or if I thought they were then I would have struly Sh*t ! myself.
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
@@sicknote1558 Sick but true. What a legacy she's going to leave, celebrity slaaag!🤣🤣🤣
@phill633vgs
@phill633vgs 2 года назад
There were two aircraft carriers involved, but the whole point of the operation was to deny the Argentinian Air Force the use of Port Stanley air base and thus protect the carriers.
@lloydcollins6337
@lloydcollins6337 2 года назад
And it took the carriers weeks to sail there
@eddhardy1054
@eddhardy1054 2 года назад
And also HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes were technically helicopter carriers and therefore far too small to allow even one Vulcan or Victor to take off or land from them.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
@@eddhardy1054 The ski jump runways are not usable by helicopters - just by fixed-wing aircraft and particularly the Harrier. So HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes were not, primarily, helicopter carriers, although like every aircraft carrier in service anywhere in the world, they could (and did) carry a few. Primarily for potential rescue for crews of the fixed-wing aircraft they were designed and used for and anti-submarine patrols ahead of the carrier group. Maybe you are thinking of HMS Fearless, the amphibious assault ship?
@eddhardy1054
@eddhardy1054 2 года назад
@@phillee2814 Sorry mate, maybe I should have been clearer. Whilst HMS Hermes was built as an aircraft carrier it was converted into a helicopter ASW carrier in 1976. The Invincible Class carriers were designed from the start to be ASW carriers and it was only because of the Harrier's rather unique capabilities that these ships could be repurposed back to being (light) aircraft carriers. Either way HMS Hermes and Invincible were still incapable of providing a takeoff/landing platform for an aeroplane as large as a V Bomber 😉
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
@@eddhardy1054 NO aircraft carrier can be used for something as large as a V Bomber. No ship has ever been able to - the Vulcan and Victor both needed massive runways even by aerodrome standards and had to use parachute braking even for that! And it was the unique ability of the Harrier to use small flight decks that allowed us to retire the older, larger and more expensive carriers from which we used to fly a wider variety of aircraft. The Ski Jump was added because it was found to be able to increase the payload of the Harrier. I don't believe any carrier has ever been built to accommodate any four-engined aircraft (although I think it has been achieved [much more recently] experimentally with a specially modified Hercules), and while the Vulcan may have a relatively short wingspan by four engine standards, the Victor certainly doesn't. And no catapult ever built would be able to drive that weight to above-stalling speed, nor arrestor gear to stop it, even if the aircraft were designed with landing gear that could take it (the only reason a Herc could manage it was because the undercarriage is designed for rough-field operations, and IIRC it was a one-way trip, having to be craned off on reaching port, with the wings removed for onwards transport to an airfield).
@arrrgee
@arrrgee 2 года назад
The Vulcans did air to air refueling earlier in the 60's, but by the 80's they had stopped the practice, so they had to have refueling probes refitted and the crews needed to practice it.
@georgeprout42
@georgeprout42 2 года назад
The book "Vulcan 607" is a fantastic read. They broke a lot of refueling probes in training and basically "requested" them from every museum that had a Vulcan on display as they simply didn't have time to retool and make new ones.
@jsmith3039
@jsmith3039 2 года назад
@@georgeprout42 yeah, great book! One Vulcan they had to scavenge refueling parts from was one near where I live at Castle Air Museum in central California
@neilcampbell9383
@neilcampbell9383 2 года назад
If I remember correctly one of the critical parts of the refuelling mechanism couldn’t be found and was eventually discovered being used as an ashtray in the Sergeant’s mess. I think that they also sent some mechanics to Canada to strip pieces from a Vulcan in a flight museum there.
@dave_h_8742
@dave_h_8742 2 года назад
Yes heard the engineers had to "source" parts from far flung places and reinstate in the aircraft to get it working again.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
@@dave_h_8742 Was the orginal idea with nuke vulcans that essentially they would be one way aircraft ?
@jamietaylor5570
@jamietaylor5570 2 года назад
@@highpath4776 I think the plan was that after striking targets in the USSR they'd carry on East and bail out.
@shaggybaggums
@shaggybaggums 2 года назад
@@highpath4776 I saw something somewhere where they mentioned they were to try and find the closest friendly airstrip to land since it was likely there wouldn't be a home to go back to. I don't know how accurate that is though.
@charlestaylor9424
@charlestaylor9424 2 года назад
The flight to the Falklands was the longest bombing mission attempted by any air force.
@andywilliams7323
@andywilliams7323 2 года назад
It's still today the worlds longest continuous flight (with mid-air refuelling) bombing raid, and still the worlds largest and most complex mid-air refuelling operation. (Edit: I'm wrong here. It's no longer the worlds longest continuous flight. See replies below).
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
@@andywilliams7323 think that has been beaten by either a B52 or B2 that flew from mainland America to either bomb Afghanistan or Iraq
@markmorris7123
@markmorris7123 2 года назад
@@DropdudeJohn your right..But this was and still is impressive.
@davidhall7811
@davidhall7811 2 года назад
@@DropdudeJohn Yes, was a B2
@andywilliams7323
@andywilliams7323 2 года назад
@@DropdudeJohn Yer your right it's the B2 in 2001, America to Afghanistan. I thought they landed and refuelled with engines running on the tarmac in Guam, before taking off again and continuing to Afghanistan. But I was wrong in that belief. They actually mid-air refuelled all the way, spending 44 hours in the air and landing in Diego Garcia after dropping their bombs over Afghanistan. However, the 1982 Blackbuck raids still holds the record for the largest and most complex mid-air refuelling operation, involving multiple refuellers flying with the bomber, refuelling both themselves and the bomber. The 2001 B2 raids, simply involved 2 B2s making 5 separate rendezvous with a different and local single KC10 or KC135 refueller. The first rendezvous just off the coast of California, then above Hawaii, then above Guam, then above Malaysia and finally above Diego Garcia, before heading to and attacking Afghanistan. That record for the largest and most complex mid-air refuelling operation will almost certainly never be beaten. Because modern military aircraft, such as the B2 are massively more fuel-efficient with a much longer fuel range than the old 1950s Vulcans and Victors. Consequently, a mid-air refuelling operation of that size and complexity just isn't needed today.
@daveymc172
@daveymc172 2 года назад
Can't wait for the second video, I remember this war so vividly. Respect to the fallen and their families on both sides, I'm proud to be British, God save the Queen!
@montyzumazoom1337
@montyzumazoom1337 2 года назад
I remember the time well. This war proved that Britain, despite many cuts in the defence budget over the years, still had the spirit and determination to go to war to reclaim sovereign territory. One cannot underestimate the sheer scale of the operation. Getting the ships ready, including STUFT (merchant ships taken up from trade), including the cruise ship Canberra and liner QE2 which were converted to carry troops etc. You need to appreciate that the Falkland Islands, and South Georgia are a bloody long way from the UK and Ascension Island is about halfway. The Black Buck mission succeeded but like a lot of operations in that conflict it was “a close run thing”. What it did do most certainly was boost military and public morale. Everyone in the UK in particular was glued to the TV and reading the daily newspaper reports. I still remember one evening eating fish and chips out of the paper with a group of friends gathered around a friends open car door listening to the news on the car radio and hearing that HMS Sheffield had been hit by an Exocet missile. This really brought home that this conflict was very real indeed. In fact the owner of the car had a brother who was an army major who had his foot blown off by a land mine in the Falklands, I was with him some time later when he heard the news of this on the TV we were watching. There were lots of determined and heroic actions of all the armed services, and civilians caught up in the conflict and this truly makes one very proud to be British. We mustn’t forget too that there was a huge effort in diplomatic channels to try and negotiate for a peaceful end, and also the unseen efforts such as agents buying every Exocet missile worldwide to prevent them being supplied to the Argentines. But most important of all we must never forget those who paid the ultimate sacrifice and lost their lives never to return, and those still bearing the injuries and scars from this conflict.
@scientiautverum
@scientiautverum 2 года назад
Just to give you an idea of the size of a Vulcan, the aircraft you saw taking off from the carrier was a Harrier with a wingspan of about 25ft, the Vulcan's wingspan was circa 99ft.
@skasteve6528
@skasteve6528 2 года назад
When I was a child, I attended a few airshows. Jet planes obviously are pretty loud, but I don't think I have heard one as loud as a Vulcan. For me, it was the highlight of the show.
@petersmith4423
@petersmith4423 2 года назад
Vulcans did use air to air refuelling in the early 1960s but after a series of accidents, the practice was stopped. Many aircraft had their refuelling equipment removed. To reinstall the equipment they had to cannibalise other aircraft, including the one on display at the SAC Museum in Nebraska.
@BlameThande
@BlameThande 2 года назад
The reason why the practice bombing on the Scottish island was new to the crew is that the Vulcan was designed as a nuclear bomber - it had never been used to drop conventional bombs. That's also why accuracy was a problem they had never had to worry about before - it doesn't matter if you're a few hundred feet off if the warhead is nuclear!
@zarabada6125
@zarabada6125 2 года назад
That isn't quite correct. While the Vulcan only dropped bombs in combat during the Falklands mission, they did drop conventional bombs regularly during training. However, the key point made by this documentary was that the last training in conventional bomb loads for Vulcan crews was 10 years before. Even if a few of the Vulcan crew from the early 1970s had remained with the squadrons up to 1982, they would still need to practise to refresh their skills.
@neilturner6749
@neilturner6749 2 года назад
That’s a myth perpetrated by the TV show to over-dramatise the actual events. the Royal Navy took over Britains nuclear deterrent role over 10 years before the Falklands War so the Vulcan crews ought to have been highly proficient in conventional bombing tactics by the time of the Falklands.
@chitlika
@chitlika 2 года назад
@@neilturner6749 I Left the RAF in 1980 Vulcans were still carrying and practicing with Nuclear weapons then Perhaps only as a Backup for the RN But it was still a deadly serious business
@derianjones1730
@derianjones1730 2 года назад
You have to remember that the Vulcan was made to drop one huge nuclear bomb, and precision wasn't a key factor in doing that.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
I guess if needed the RAF Memorial Flight Lancaster could have been pressed into service !
@charlestaylor9424
@charlestaylor9424 2 года назад
@@highpath4776 there was a cartoon of two sailors in a pub saying "I hear their bringing back the Bulwark, I wonder what's next". Out of the pub window you can see a tug pulling HMS Victory.
@andywilliams7323
@andywilliams7323 2 года назад
Yes the dangerous thing referred to at 07:12 was mid-air refuelling. It was dangerous because the Vulcan was a big aircraft. But used the more dangerous probe and drogue method of refuelling that small fighter jets usually used. (Catching a basket trailed by the refueller with a probe protruding from the receiving aircraft). Rather than the safer flyable boom method usually used by big aircraft. (The refueller lowers a long boom like pole into the receiving aircraft fuel inlet). Using the probe and drogue method meant the huge Vulcan had to fly dangerously close to the big refuelling Victor aircraft. That is what made it so dangerous.
@iatsd
@iatsd 2 года назад
Not quite. They stopped training in it at the same time that they switched from training for very high altitude attack profiles to VERY low level. They *couldn't* refuel at low level so they simply stopped training for it; they had enough fuel onboard for the expected attacks against Russia, so it made sense to drop the training for it as it "wasn't needed". Prior to that they *did* train for it and do it. It's not really a problem for large aircraft to do it; they just need to train and do it at an altitude that allows it to happen.
@timgosling6189
@timgosling6189 2 года назад
Not that dangerous at all, and I've taken on fuel from Victors, Vulcans, Tristars and C-130s and dispensed it to C-130s, F-4s and Harriers. In several hundred tankings, receiving and giving, I recall only 2 incidents, neither serious and neither related to the proximity of the aircraft.
@andywilliams7323
@andywilliams7323 2 года назад
@@timgosling6189 Yes but which aircraft were you flying? A small modern agile fighter with good cockpit visibility? or a big much less agile old 1950s Vulcan with extremely poor cockpit visibility. It most definitely was dangerous. The Vulcan pilots actually state in the video between 06:54 - 7:14 that they stopped doing mid-air refuelling in the Vulcan because of how dangerous it was. You'll also see how dangerous in part 2. They actually had 1 refuelling mishap during the flight which could've compromised the mission and potentially forced either or both the Vulcan and a Victor to ditch in the middle of the South Atlantic. But fortunately, it did not.
@timgosling6189
@timgosling6189 2 года назад
@@andywilliams7323 As a receiver, C-130. And I'd say it was easier in a large aircraft due to the much greater stability. Cockpit visibility from the Vulcan wasn't an issue; it's actually pretty good out the front where the action is. I don't actually need to wait for Part II to hear about the incident with the Victor because I was operating out of ASI when this was all happening and got it direct from the guys afterwards in the Volcano club.
@iatsd
@iatsd 2 года назад
@@timgosling6189 You've taken on fuel FROM a Vulcan, have you? How'd you manage that then? Magic?
@tonym480
@tonym480 2 года назад
By the time of Black Buck Air to Air refueling was a well established procedure and had been since the 1950's, but, it was mostly done by the smaller more maneuverable fighters, not a large bomber like the Vulcan. The Vulcan force had stopped practicing it many years earlier and it was something that the then current crews had to learn from scratch. The tanker aircraft that refueled the Vulcan's on this mission were Handley Page Victor's, itself a V Bomber like the Vulcan. They had been converted into tankers when the RAF had to switch to a low level attack profile against the Soviet Union following the shooting down of an American U2 aircraft flying at high altitude over the USSR. The Victor was less well suited to low level flight than the Vulcan but their payload made them useful as tanker aircraft once suitably modified. There were 2 Royal Navy aircraft carriers with the task force, HMS Hermes, the flag ship, and HMS Invincible, both carrying RN Fleet Air Arm BAE Sea Harriers. (a plane you might like to have a look at Sarah) Later they were reinforced with RAF Harrier GR3's that also operated from the carriers until landing strips were established ashore. These aircraft carried out many attacks against Argentinian targets in the Falkland Isles including the airport at Port Stanley. It was suggested by some that the whole reason for the Vulcan attacks was the RAF bomber force trying to 'get in on the action' , not wanting to leave all the glory to the Navy and Army. I offer no opinion on the matter 😆 Argentina had 4 principal combat aircraft that were used in the Falklands war, the French Mirage III and an Israel derivative the Dagger, The French Super Etandard naval strike aircraft (these carried the Exocet anti ship missile which made them the most dangerous to the task force) the American Douglas A4 Skyhawk attack aircraft and finally their home built Pucara turboprop light attack aircraft. The Argentinian pilots were very very good ! but were let down by some bad tactics coupled to having to operate at the limit of their range.
@happylemon666
@happylemon666 2 года назад
The carrier's were enroute with harriers (vertical take off) and did dog fighting among other things. Led to my favourite news quote, "for security reasons I can't tell you how many, but I counted them all out, and I counted them all back in again". There's a video somewhere about the harriers and the air battle where a British pilot meets the Argentinian he shot down.
@catherinewilkins2760
@catherinewilkins2760 2 года назад
Beautiful bird, love the Avro Vulcan. Fell in love at first sight and sound.
@eamonnclabby7067
@eamonnclabby7067 2 года назад
Totally agree...saw one in flight in Norfolk in 1978...unforgettable...
@henry247
@henry247 2 года назад
At the Black Buck 6 they had a problem with the refueling probe and had to land at Rio de Janeiro..so around 150-120 nautical miles away from Rio they got intercepted by 2 fighter jets of the Brazilian Air Force..ppl in Rio say that the fighter jets broke the sound barrier still above the city..sick story.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
They had to hide it as the Pope was visiting, but actually ended up sticking it somewhere where it was easy to see by mistake and the Argentinians weren't too happy about it
@henry247
@henry247 2 года назад
@@DropdudeJohn Yeah haha..the brazilian pilots took the brits to enjoy Rio's night during the week they stayed in Brazil too...there are some newspapers from that time with pics of them in a bar. Brazil kept the Shrike missile that didn't fire and the govt said that they couldn't let them leave with a weapon that would be possibly used to harm their "brothers" (Argentines). Later Brazil developed a missile based on the Shrike missile they kept called MAR-1..
@stumccabe
@stumccabe 2 года назад
The Brits HAD sent a naval task force of about 45 ships (I think) , including aircraft carriers, but of course the Argentines knew when the naval task force had left Britain and presumably would start sending reinforcements to the Falklands. This raid was meant to be a surprise strike on the airfield to deny it to the Argentines, before the task force arrived!!
@guypenrose5477
@guypenrose5477 2 года назад
The ships had arrived by then and carried out a further raid that day by Sea Harriers (the famous counted them all out and all back quote) plus a Naval Gunfire attack on the airfield by HM Ships Glamorgan, Alacrity and Arrow (the three musketeers!)
@abarratt8869
@abarratt8869 2 года назад
Martin Withers's book on this bombing run is excellent. A favourite story of mine is how the US Navy helped the RAF at Ascension Island. The USN officer tasked with this asked what the RAF wanted. "A super tanker, full of aviation fuel." was the answer. On enquiring what the RAF intended to do with such a vast amount of fuel, the answer was, "Burn it. We're going to burn it. All of it." He also talks about the participation at the USAF's Red Flag bombing exercises at Nellis AFB. Apparently, the crews manning the fake SAM sites on these said that there was nothing more life-affirming than being out in that desert at night, not seeing anything, I guess hearing the Vulcan's howl in the distance, and then for one to come directly overhead at 6feet altitude trailing bits of bushes and shrubbery that it had snagged. Also, when they say "the same bombs as dropped by the Lancaster bomber in WW2", they really mean it,. Some of the bombs dropped on the Falklands were made in WW2, and had been in storage ever since.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
And it was a tanker PER WEEK! The US officer responsible said "You can't possibly burn that much fuel" to which the response was "I assure you, we intend to try!". They did, too - each tanker standing off Ascension as a floating fuel dump until relieved by the next (full) one.
@abarratt8869
@abarratt8869 2 года назад
@@phillee2814 Them's the words! It was very decent of the USN to lay on so much fuel 🙂
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
@@abarratt8869 It was required by the leasing arrangement for Ascension - basically, they could have the base there as long as they rendered any logistical assistance required by UK forces. Considering how long they've had the base there, it was pretty fair rent over 40 years. Not supeertankers, as those are used for crude oil, but faster fleet tankers, normally used to distribute fuel to various US bases around the world and to US carrier groups at sea. The first was diverted from its original destination of Guantanamo, but two more needed to be found and of course, assets moved around to backfill the shortage - and you can't just magic three tankers out of thin air, or rent them from anyone. So it did force even the US to dig deep into reserves and briefly curtail their own naval air operations to suddenly find three 8 million gallon aviation fuel tankers (a full one on the way, an empty one on the way back to refill and the one actually standing off Georetown, Ascension Island as a floating fuel station). They didn't believe it was possible or us to burn that much fuel operating from a single runway, but we came pretty close for the entire conflict.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
Yes, the total UK stock of those old weapons was 167, and they saved the best (machined from forgings) for the raids and used the cheaper cast ones for training. As for the height, one of the crews had a bit of a fright doing that. The copilot (wearing night-vision goggles and acting as safety pilot while the captain flew on the instruments) kept saying "Wow" and "That's amazing" as they were flying low on the terrain-following radar. After a minute the Captain asked him what was so amazing, to which he replied that looking sheep in the eyes from the cockpit was fantastic at night, because of the way they reflect the infrared light. "how can you see that at 100ft? asked the captain. "More like 6ft" he replied. When they checked, they realised that the terrain-following radar had accidentally been switched from the "normal" wartime setting of 500ft (peacetime is 1000ft) right through the trial lowest (100ft) setting to the "off" setting. Oops. They were flying in ground-effect, just like an ekranoplane. It seems a big delta wing creates a very effective cushion of higher air pressure between it and the ground! Pretty effective brush cutter at 350 knots, too!
@PHDarren
@PHDarren 2 года назад
Martin Withers was the main display pilot for Vulcan XH558 which flew airshow displays in private hands from 2008 until 2015
@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
Yeah iv got guy Martin's avro Vulcan XH558 documentary video of that Vulcan on my channel done by channel 4
@saturnvmoon8592
@saturnvmoon8592 2 года назад
One of the bits that was cut out was them finding part of they refueling system for the vulcan being used as an ash tray in the break room
@michaelriordan8265
@michaelriordan8265 2 года назад
As a kid, I remember the Vulcans flying over Stockport, near Manchester out of Woodford, Delta Wing jets is what they were known as, and what a sight in the sky
@teanosuger
@teanosuger 2 года назад
I’ve stood at Waddington ( air show ) when they did a squadron scramble with the Vulcans and as you’d expect the ground shook
@davidhall7811
@davidhall7811 2 года назад
Same here but at Finningley :-)
@SpruceSpringclean
@SpruceSpringclean 2 года назад
I was privileged to have Wing Commander Alastair Montgomery as one of my flight instructors during the very early 1990's out of RAF Manston. I knew back then he served as a Vulcan Bomber pilot but it wasn't until many years later when the documentary came out I got to understand the efforts and challenges the crew had to endure.
@andywilliams7323
@andywilliams7323 2 года назад
Garvie Island in Scotland is still used as a target for RAF and Royal Navy aerial bombing practice today. It's also used to train the Royal Navy's bomb disposal divers. They disarm and remove any bombs dropped under the water which failed to explode.
@alansmithee8831
@alansmithee8831 2 года назад
Hello SoGal and Roger. Most of the answers are in this, or feel like spoilers for future videos that you should watch about the conflict. My Royal Navy dad's aircraft carrier was by this time the sole Argentinian one, having been Dutch in between, but they had some modern French made jets and missiles that could sink a carrier, so the runway had to be put out of action before the Royal Navy ships arrived. P.S. The nonelectric computer was not a bad thing in event of nuclear blast, which could knock out circuits. Some Soviet technology was tried and tested mechanical too, as I mentioned on a space video.
@superted6960
@superted6960 2 года назад
When the first raid took place the two British carriers were already involved in operations off the Falkland Islands. The broad idea was that the Vulcans would disable the runway, leaving the Harriers (on board the carriers) to concentrate on protecting the task force. Without minimising the skill and courage of the RAF crews involved I think it's fair to say the Harrier crews in particular thought the missions were a bit of a side show. The Harriers were tasked with photo reconnaissance after the raids, and their view was that if they were going to fly over the runway to take photos they might as well bomb it as well. That said, the raids sent a message to Argentina that the mainland could be similarly vulnerable to long range attack.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
The whole idea (and it was successful) was to make the runway unusable by fast jets before the task force, including both carriers, were within air range of The Falkland Islands so that aircraft could not use it as a base from which to attack the task force. Those fast jets were withdrawn from the Falklands and sent north (out of range of the Falklands) to protect Buenos Aires. The battle damage assessment was done by a Victor and a Nimrod - before any Harrier was within flying range, even loaded up to its maximum takeoff weight with fuel (i.e. unarmed). They also did not have any suitable bombs on the carriers and no way to get them there. Anything with sufficient range and payload to get them there was far too big to actually land on a carrier, even a US Ford class.
@superted6960
@superted6960 2 года назад
@@phillee2814 I've just rechecked the timelines (40 years is a long time ago) and it seems that the Harriers started CAP the same day as the first Black Buck raid. I take the point it deterred the Argentines from using the runway, as they quickly moved any fast jets they had there back to the mainland. Some years ago I read the account of the war written by Cmr Sharkey Ward. He seemed a bit sniffy about the RAF contribution, confident I guess that lesser individual payload could be offset by increased frequency of attack. It's a moot point 40 years on (and I'm no more than an armchair general) but it certainly gave the Argentinians more to think about than they'd bargained on and that was probably the point.
@robinford4037
@robinford4037 2 года назад
There is also the story of BN chinook helicopter which survived destruction because she was flying in between ships during an Argentinian air strike on her base ship, so all her spares and tools and most of her mechanics were gone before the full scale attack on the Falklands. They flew the war with out proper backup. Amazing story.
@britblue
@britblue 2 года назад
Royal navy had a couple of carriers in the Falkland conflict - but they were strictly fighters (Harriers) only - Vulcan was way too large to use them! - btw the harriers were etremely effective over Falkands - shooting down lots of argentinian aircraft without a sinlge loss to any harrier - the Argentinian pilots named the Harriers " La Muerte Negra " - The black death!
@davidknowles3459
@davidknowles3459 2 года назад
We did lose one Harrier pilot.Lt Nick Taylor in the first raid on Goose Green.He was shot down by ground fire.
@graveperil2169
@graveperil2169 2 года назад
extremely effective as it was all we had and theUS lent as some nice sate of the art misiles the Argentinian aircraft were at the edge of their range with no fuel spare to dog fight so concentrated on attacking the ships
@davidknowles3459
@davidknowles3459 2 года назад
@@graveperil2169 Yes,the 'Sidewinder' missle.
@guypenrose5477
@guypenrose5477 2 года назад
@@graveperil2169 A lot is made of that point but the only advantage gained was a shoot from any angle capability - in the event all sidewinder engagements were from directly astern meaning having the Lima version of the sidewinder didn’t make any difference.
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
@@graveperil2169 They had not lent. They had sold. The AIM9-L All aspect sidewinder missile. The UK is not a charity case. All bought and paid for. Although the Falklands definitely provided a great opportunity for all customers to gauge its effectiveness.
@commentbellow8185
@commentbellow8185 2 года назад
40th anniversary of the Falklands war this year. The Sea Harrier is worth looking into.
@rayquirk4947
@rayquirk4947 2 года назад
The induction howl from a Vulcan is one of the most (I’m struggling for the best word here) memorable aircraft sounds ever. Look for XH558 longest howl Vid.
@jimwhite3220
@jimwhite3220 2 года назад
They went with the Vulcans because of the time it would take for the task force to get Falklands and surprise the Arginine’s forces who thought it could not be done
@hairlessone1860
@hairlessone1860 2 года назад
It also forced them to realise that the Argentine mainland was vulnerable so they had to keep fighters close to home.
@rhysjones8578
@rhysjones8578 2 года назад
There is a great book about the mission, Vulcan 607, tells the story in a lot of detail
@kumasenlac5504
@kumasenlac5504 2 года назад
18:52 Ascension Island is one of the many little lumps of rock claimed, and colonised, by the British in the 18th and 19th centuries so that the Royal Navy could re-supply and repair its ships. To this day they tend to have staunchly loyal citizens.
@paulwright9749
@paulwright9749 2 года назад
Really enjoying your videos and you are asking all the right questions 😉
@slebetman
@slebetman 2 года назад
The difficulty of mid-air refueling depends on the plane. When you approach the basket the air you're flying in is flowing around the airplane. This means that the wind at the nose is pushing slightly sideways. This in turn has a tendency of pushing the basket away from the plane. It's particularly difficult for them because the Vulcan is a gigantic bomber instead of a small fighter airplane. It's still difficult even for fighters. See Ward Carrol's channel on the difficulty of doing mid-air refueling with US Navy F-14 Tomcats in the first Gulf War.
@dinger40
@dinger40 2 года назад
The only carriers (20.000 tons + Hermes) we had at the time could only carry Harriers. The days of Bucaneers and Phantoms from carriers (60.000 ish tons, Ark Royal and Eagle) was long over, even though Bucaneers were in the gulf war many years later. Great vid, not seen the C4 one before, looking forward to the next episode.
@robholloway6829
@robholloway6829 2 года назад
Air-to-Air refueling was not a new thing at this point, it had been happening for decades. The problem was that Vulcan crews hadn't trained in the practice for around 10 years - the fueling pipes had all been removed, which meant a mad scramble to find parts they needed to recommission (in fact, a lot were nicked from RAF Waddington's museum) and then crash-course the pilots in performing the operation.
@robhallam8047
@robhallam8047 2 года назад
My daughter had my name engraved on a plaque under Vulcan XH558's wing as a birthday present.....very special. Sadly, there are no flying Vulcans left in the UK. To experience the take off of a scrambling Vulcan is unforgettable....
@eamonnclabby7067
@eamonnclabby7067 2 года назад
Had a look inside one displayed at RAF Cosford museum...must have been a very cramped environment all the way to the Falkland islands...
@Happyheretic2308
@Happyheretic2308 2 года назад
I did the same for my father.
@charlestaylor9424
@charlestaylor9424 2 года назад
Ascension Island is an island in the Atlantic owned by Britain but usually used as a staging airfield by the USAF. Apparently the USAF were surprised when the RAF and the Navy turned up en-mass.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
Did anyone tell them they were en route ?
@charlestaylor9424
@charlestaylor9424 2 года назад
@@highpath4776 apparently not, it all happened really quickly. It might have been communicated to higher command but apparently the Americans on the island were just dumbfounded about the British invasion.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
@@charlestaylor9424 If the British had rights there maybe they thought they did not need to inform anyone ( of the quantity, esp if they were bringing their own beer with the Brabazon Mobile NAAFI canteen. )
@daveofyorkshire301
@daveofyorkshire301 2 года назад
This was a preemptive move whilst the fleet moved into position... It was just to tell the Argentinians they weren't out of reach and we were coming, it was an act of intimidation towards an enemy before the fleet arrived - which was being heavily televised everywhere... It must have damaged Argentine moral... Also it takes weeks to move a fleet any distance, you don't just send an aircraft carrier, they're high priority targets and require an entire fleet to support it...
@joeslad3099
@joeslad3099 2 года назад
Victors used to be part of the nuclear V bomber fleet. After Royal Navy balistic missile submarines became Britain's nuclear deterrent, these aircraft were then converted to the inflight refueling tanker role.
@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
Absolutely true
@paulmaxey6377
@paulmaxey6377 2 года назад
Just to put something not a lot of people know about. Most people think that Britain fought the Falklands War alone. Although that is mostly true, it isn't entirely right. One country did aid us quite a bit and that country was Chile. They used their radar and early warning systems to help us secretly by letting us know when the Argentines were launching their attacks. In fact it proved how much help it was when the Chile early warning systems, which were way past their service renewals, went down. It resulted in our highest casualties until the Chile early warning systems were back on I think it was about a week later. You can find out more here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dMlu-qJRyU8.html
@josedro
@josedro 2 года назад
Yes Pinochet was UK's ally but What about US? They really gave you a Big Time Help
@gmf121266
@gmf121266 2 года назад
Theres just no way a plane like the Vulcan could take off and land from an Aircraft carrier. Apart from the size alone the amount of runway needed to take off and land far exceeds that of the biggest Aircraft carrier deck, even an American one. Its just not an option sadly. At the time the aircraft in the British inventory that were able to land on an Aircraft carrier could not carry sufficient ordnance of a large enough explosive weight to do sufficient damage to the runway. This was also prior to the development of runway penetration bombs and ordnance or for that matter before smart guided bombs that could be guaranteed to hit a target first time, every time. The Vulcan had to carry a large payload of bombs to ensure that a few might just hit the target from altitude at night with only an ancient bomb timing release system on board. It was basically 1950's/60's avionics technology being used in the 1980s.
@nielsdegroot9138
@nielsdegroot9138 2 года назад
Anti-runway bombs were used in 1967 by Israel, and the Durendal anti-runway bomb has been around since 1977 (but not in use by the British)
@VimyScout
@VimyScout 2 года назад
The beauty of it was the argies thought they could just waltz right in there and Britain would'nt give a toss any more over some remote south atlantic island still under British Sovereignty. They got the biggest shock. That Vulcan raid opened their eyes to what our airforce was still very capable of. Harriers took care of the rest - La Muerte Negra
@totspur6376
@totspur6376 2 года назад
"I feel the need for speed"! This is my favourite line from Top Gun. Not any personnel recreational desire! The Vulcan raid on Port Stanley plus the sinking of the General Belgrano was a very important psychological victory over the Argentinians. Unfortunately people lost their lives because of these actions. But no invasion, No loss of life!! P.S. nice to have you back SoGal !
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
The Junta wanted a short victorious war, instead they got a bloody nose and were very lucky that we chose not to strike military or government targets on the mainland. All of which would have been considered fair targets in a war.
@joshthomas-moore2656
@joshthomas-moore2656 2 года назад
In air refueling is a lot eaiser in a fighter plane then it is in a Vulcan, due to a fighter plane being more manoverable.
@barriehull7076
@barriehull7076 2 года назад
The probe-and-drogue refueling method employs a flexible hose that trails from the tanker aircraft. The drogue (or para-drogue), sometimes called a basket, is a fitting resembling a shuttlecock, attached at its narrow end (like the "cork" nose of a shuttlecock) with a valve to a flexible hose. The drogue stabilizes the hose in flight and provides a funnel to aid insertion of the receiver aircraft probe into the hose. The hose connects to a Hose Drum Unit (HDU). When not in use, the hose/drogue is reeled completely into the HDU. The receiver has a probe, which is a rigid, protruding or pivoted retractable arm placed on the aircraft's nose or fuselage to make the connection. Most modern versions of the probe are usually designed to be retractable, and are retracted when not in use, particularly on high speed aircraft.[citation needed] At the end of the probe is a valve that is closed until it mates with the drogue's forward internal receptacle, after which it opens and allows fuel to pass from tanker to receiver. The valves in the probe and drogue that are most commonly used are to a NATO standard and were originally developed by the company Flight Refuelling Limited in the UK and deployed in the late 1940s and 1950s.[citation needed] This standardization allows drogue-equipped tanker aircraft from many nations the ability to refuel probe-equipped aircraft from other nations. The NATO standard probe system incorporates shear rivets that attach the refueling valve to the end of the probe.[citation needed] This is so that if a large side or vertical load develops while in contact with the drogue, the rivets shear and the fuel valve breaks off, rather than the probe or receiver aircraft suffering structural damage. A so-called "broken probe" (actually a broken fuel valve, as described above) may happen if poor flying technique is used by the receiver pilot, or in turbulence. Sometimes the valve is retained in the tanker drogue and prevents further refueling from that drogue until removed during ground maintenance.
@joshthomas-moore2656
@joshthomas-moore2656 2 года назад
15:30 The reason for the raid was to limit the risks to the carriers (as with the Port Stanley runway there you effectively make the Falklands a unsinkable aircraft carrier), so taking a carrier close enough for a fighter jet to attack the runway would have brought the carrier into too much danger.
@FGZKlunk
@FGZKlunk 2 года назад
The aircraft carriers were on their way with Harrier Jump Jets on board. The idea of sending the Vulcan was to destroy the runway on the island so the Argentinian air force could not attack the carriers as they got close.
@tyranusfan
@tyranusfan 2 года назад
The main limitation of using the carriers was that the Royal Navy only had about 20 Harriers to equip them. The Argentine Air Force had (on paper) a few *hundred* aircraft to oppose the British fleet. They couldn't risk losing a large number of Harriers, so everything was geared to project force with the least amount of risk.
@BlueShadow777
@BlueShadow777 2 года назад
To answer your question… No, mid-air refuelling wasn’t a new concept or practice. If you check out the 1979 movie “THE FINAL COUNTDOWN” (and I highly recommend it) you’ll see two US Navy F14 Tomcats (admittedly smaller and more manoeuvrable) refuelling mid-air. The Falklands War started in 1982… ie a few years after the technique was highlighted in the movie.
@viper11
@viper11 2 года назад
The Vulcan also didn't need to refuel during their primary mission. Saint Petersbourg and Moscow where a single fuel load away (Moscow would have been single way only on fuel, but every nuclear mission would have been one way anyway)
@lyndarichardson4744
@lyndarichardson4744 2 года назад
Glad the Air Force are your favourites So Gal. My Husband was in the RAF for 32 years !
@Streaky100001
@Streaky100001 2 года назад
Even back in the 80s mid air refueling was a common practice, it was around when the Vulcan was designed and first came into production in the 50s and 60s. The big but here is that it was a common practice for small, agile fighter aircraft, in an aircraft like that you sit at the end of the hose and there's a lot of separation between you and the tanker (Ok, when I say alot.... not that much, but enough) whereas in a big bird like the Vulcan.. yeah..... not so much. Also, of course, a small fighter is much more maneuverable, which makes a big difference, it means it's theoretically better able to get into position on the basket, and also better able to make a rapid breakaway if things go bad.
@MrChristbait
@MrChristbait 2 года назад
I've subscribed to you, love seeing you like my nation over the past months! ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@johnwhelan8243
@johnwhelan8243 2 года назад
The carriers HMS Hermes and HMS invincible were both in the task force. But Britain expected to lose at least one of the carriers. However HMS Illustrious and HMS Arc Royal were both being built and were finished early during the conflict. So two more carriers were ready as replacements. It may seem brutal logic now, but it was war and the country responded. Ordinary people in the ship yards worked round the clock to finish those ships just in case.
@chrispierce4003
@chrispierce4003 2 года назад
a Vulcan is enormous in size. Way too big to fly from an aircraft carrier.
@c4715
@c4715 2 года назад
Nice video. I love the top gun glasses and jacket too
@stephendavies1585
@stephendavies1585 2 года назад
Great reaction video SoGal really snazzy outfit there.
@craniusdominus8234
@craniusdominus8234 2 года назад
Mid air refueling is a relatively easy thing now, with computers assisting the pilots. It was less easy in the 80s, but modern planes (by the standards of that time) flown by trained pilots could still pull it off. The problem was that the Vulcans weren't really modern, even by 1980s standards. In fact, they were damn near obsolete, and they didn't have any of the fancy electronic assistance either. Remember, their targeting 'computer' was purely mechanical, and that was one of the most advanced systems on the entire plane. They pilots even mentioned the bits of bicycle chain.
@michaelnolan6951
@michaelnolan6951 2 года назад
The population of the Fallands was and is tiny (even today, it's just over 3000.) The actual settlers that lived there, and their ancestors, were and are British. In spite of Argentinian attempts to flex sovereignty at a couple of points in history, they never had a civilian population living there. English is the official language. In a referendum less than 10 years ago, 99.8% of Falklanders voted to remain under British soveriegnty. Tellingly, Argentina to this day refuses to recognise that the Falklanders are entitled to an opinion.
@michaelkeen5010
@michaelkeen5010 2 года назад
The former Chief Operating Officer at Leicester City Council, Andy Keeling, was appointed the Chief Executive to the Falklands Government last April (2021) and continues the tradition of the island being governed by the English.
@michaelnolan6951
@michaelnolan6951 2 года назад
@@michaelkeen5010 That may be literally true, yet as a non English UK citizen it rubs me the wrong way. "The English" are the most numerous proportion of our population and often seem to default to Britain = England in their attitudes. As one of the many Brits who are not English, such attitudes - even when not intentionally racist - makes my hackles instincitively rise.
@michaelkeen5010
@michaelkeen5010 2 года назад
@@michaelnolan6951 sorry no offence intended.
@andrewcomerford264
@andrewcomerford264 2 года назад
Nobody had ever thought about refuelling a Vulcan in mid-air, because it wasn't supposed to need it. With an aircraft of the Vulcan's size, the situation could get a little hairy. The Vulcan was designed to deliver nuclear strikes against the Soviet Union, the conventional bomb-load was written into the specification, but never intended to be used. The closest base was Ascension Island, about halfway. The carriers were already on their way with the Task Force, but the carrier hasn't been built that can take a Vulcan.
@honymonster30
@honymonster30 2 года назад
The Vulcan was designed as a nuclear bomber the conventional bombing role was secondary. When the Vulcan entered service at altitude it was more maneuverable than contemporary fighters. The aerial refueling was dangerous because of the size of the Vulcan and the delicate maneuvers needed to get the probe in the basket. The last British aircraft carrier that could have carried out a long-range attack on the Falklands was the old Ark Royal operating Phantoms and Buccaneers.
@Autofleet4429
@Autofleet4429 2 года назад
For some background information about the Falklands islands it’s a self-governing territory of the UK and has about 3,400 people living there, the UK has been in continuous control since 1833 (the first British colony was founded in 1765, Argentine didn’t exist in any independent capacity until 1810) but both side have had a claim to the islands with other parties also being involved at the beginning including France and Spain, the people on the islands identity as British and in a referendum in 2013 the people of the Falklands voted to remain British (99.8% in favour) as opposed to Argentine rule. Here is a good video on the subject by King’s and Generals. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3e8Ms0pbPcw.html
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 года назад
I believe the rest of the population have spent the time since trying to find out who the single dissenting vote was!
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
"as opposed to Argentina rule." That wasn't on the ballot or an option. The question was "UK rule or Other".
@steveclarke6257
@steveclarke6257 2 года назад
The Argentine claim is based on top of Spain's original claim. That Spanish claim is based on a division of the undiscovered land in the Americas, between Spain and Portugal alone, granted by Pope Alexander in 1493- as such that claim is disputed by all the other monarchs in Europe (so kings of France, England, Sweden, Denmark etc.) So these monarchs created several colonies were created in North America during the 15/16th century - ignoring the 1492 papal agreement! Ultimately possession of any "undiscovered" land is initially based on force (and most of these lands were already occupied by other indigenous people already!), which neither Spain or Portugal could enforce on it's claims against European competitors. So after the treaty of Utrecht in 1713 (At the end of the war of the Spanish succession)) Spain gave away this territory (along with Gibraltar and other areas) to Britain. This is the part disputed by Argentina......who claim that the territory was not Spain's to give away ( even though Argentina did not yet exist as an independent political entity).
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
@@steveclarke6257 You've got some of that incomplete, Steve. Spain had no claim to the islands until they purchased them from the French, not realising there was an existing British colony already there, a year younger than the French on the other island. The UK did not recognise the popes edict, and was always disputing the French. It was not until the all parties agreed to the Nootka convention that all were forbidden from founding any further colonies in the Southern Hemisphere. Which is why Spain never officially claimed the islands. Didn't stop them trying to proxy it through the Viceroyalty of the River Plate though. And removing the British colonists until threat of war returned the islands to the rightful owners a year later. The islands had been claimed for the British crown in 1690 by Captain John Strong though, superceding all subsequent claims. If anyone wanted to dispute it, it would be through gunboat diplomacy,
@Autofleet4429
@Autofleet4429 2 года назад
@@poppedweasel true But it was universally accepted that it meant Argentine rule, The Falklands could never truly be independent (at least not anytime soon) as while they maybe able to finance themselves independently (with the oil and fisheries) they could never be independent diplomatically or militarily as most of South America recognises Argentina's claim to the islands and Russia does too and would likely veto any attempt to join the UN also the moment British troops leave the islands Argentina would invade or blockade the islands.
@rcagoon1969
@rcagoon1969 2 года назад
Good vid. I recall watching this documentary a good few years back. The Q on why no aircraft carriers has been answered. But, as per usual the US backed us up, and the French sold their exocet missiles to the military junta in Argentina.
@sicknote1558
@sicknote1558 2 года назад
Yeah the French as usual stabbed Britain in the back by selling the exocet missiles without those missiles they would never have managed to do that to the Coventry
@nigeldepledge3790
@nigeldepledge3790 2 года назад
I believe that the reason this attack was not carried out with carrier-based aircraft was simply that they wanted the Port Stanley runway out of action before either of the carriers (yes, we had a total of two aircraft carriers in the RN at the time) was within striking distance. If the Argentine air force was able to use Port Stanley as a base, they'd be striking at the British carriers at the same time as the British carrier-borne aircraft were striking at Port Stanley. And the Argentine air force had a couple of state-of-the-art Mirage fighter jets that could outfly anything in the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm at the time.
@DavidRobinson1978
@DavidRobinson1978 2 года назад
We only had one conventional carrier left at that point which was HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible which was a small carrier but both had been fitted with a Ski Jump so the Harriers could use them fully loaded. Thatcher had asked Reagan for help with Naval and Airforce Equipment but it was officially refused however the CIA did overfly a spy satellite and the US Airforce provided some aviation fuel unofficially at Ascension Island. The Sea Harriers were used as fighters and the RAF Harriers onboard were equipped for Ground Attack. If the Blackburn Buccaneers that the Navy previously used on HMS Hermes and HMS Ark Royal had not been scrapped in the last defence review they could have used that instead of the Vulcans (HMS Ark Royal was also decommissioned by the time of the Falklands War).
@rcormie
@rcormie 2 года назад
Such a great story and only a couple of years before i joined the Royal Air Force. Thanks for doing this one.
@stephenparker6362
@stephenparker6362 2 года назад
The Fslklands are officially an Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom and Falkland Islanders are British citizens. Argentina claim the Falklands as part of Argentina and call it the Malvinas. In 2013 a referendum was held the vote was 1513 in favour of maintaining the present position with 3 against. Quite a landslide. There are now about 3500 people who live there. It's worth a closer look.
@markwilliamson2864
@markwilliamson2864 2 года назад
I’ve always found very the differing attitude of the Vulcan pilots to the Black Back mission quite intriguing, Reeve (enthusiastic), Withers (not that enthusiastic). By this time, all of the Victors that the RAF had remaining had been converted to tankers, the Vulcan was the only bomber capable of performing this mission. There was a lot of ‘signalling’ going on prior to the British counter attack, ‘broadcasting’ the Vulcan mission was part of that. With a task force of 127 ships (including merchants) the British were informing the Argentines that they meant business. It took 3 weeks for the task force to sail from the UK to the Falklands which was enough time for the Argentines to pack up and leave or face being forcibly ejected.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
I suppose it would be difficult to see where the RAF would need heavy bombers ( even say the Bosnian conflict was not exactly predicted , and of course where forces hide in civillian places its not easy to determine what is a target. and to some extent if not being attacked oneself, what is a 'win'). Kuwait War was straightforward - eject an occupying army. Iraq less so - change (to what?) a dislikable power regieme).
@Radio478
@Radio478 5 месяцев назад
Great video thanks from England 🇬🇧
@johnhickey4289
@johnhickey4289 2 года назад
SoGal: The UK didn’t have an aircraft carrier big enough to take a Vulcan Bomber, also a Vulcan couldn’t do a short takeoff from a carrier
@graveperil2169
@graveperil2169 2 года назад
no one even now has a carrier big enough to take a Vulcan Bomber
@johnhickey4289
@johnhickey4289 2 года назад
@@graveperil2169 I agree, as I said in a follow up, you would need 3-5 Enterprise carrier lengths (that’s without the wingspan)
@1951woodygeo
@1951woodygeo 2 года назад
They were a new crew and had never refuelled in the air before other crews had done it before .
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
Vulcans were never originally envisioned as requiring to do midair refuelling, their targets were all within round trip range.
@1951woodygeo
@1951woodygeo 2 года назад
@@vinnyganzano1930 yeah I know that
@williamtraynor-kean7214
@williamtraynor-kean7214 2 года назад
The two British aircraft carriers were operating Sea Harriers and Harrier GR3 ground attack aircraft, the problem was we had a limited number of aircraft and any loses would have had an effect on the conduct of the conflict (it was not a war, there are differences). The Vulcan had a considerably larger bomb load but not the accuracy of the Harriers who later raided the Stanley airfield with only minor damage to one aircraft. Should add Ascension is about 3500 miles (ca. 5,633 km) from Stanley.
@martinwyke
@martinwyke 2 года назад
The Falkland islands are at the tip of South America, they are closer to the south pole than Accession Island which is near the equator. The distance is colossal and much further from the UK than Russia. A Task force with our two Carriers was on the way but still a week away. The Carrier had Harrier Jump jets, which small fighter bombers. The Vulcan is far to big to land on a carrier, it would be like trying to land a B52 on a carrier. The Task force was the Navy and Army. Black Buck was the Air forces contribution to the war and the Vulcan raid was opening action. It had two options to show the Argentinians that they were at risk and knock out the runway at Post Stanley airfield which could launch jets that could threaten the Task force meaning that the Argentinians would need to fly from the Argentinians mainland and significantly cut their range, keep the Taskforce out of their range for longer.
@johnhickey4289
@johnhickey4289 2 года назад
For a Vulcan to take off, you would need the length of 3-5 Enterprise length carriers
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
Certainly with the load they were carrying. However I've seen them take off at airshows in a distance that will make you gasp.
@johnhickey4289
@johnhickey4289 2 года назад
@@poppedweasel but, a Vulcan could not take off from a carrier, the wingspan is too large, and Britain didn’t have a carrier big enough
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
@@johnhickey4289 I think the problem is more width than length. Not arguing, sure a carier is out of the question.
@joshthomas-moore2656
@joshthomas-moore2656 2 года назад
12:33 Intresting fact for you, the Argentine cruiser General Belgrano was a WW2 made US Cruiser and the Torpedo that sank the ship was a WW2 British Torpedo (After the modern ones for the UK submarine failed), in fact most of the Argentine Navy was made up of ships from WW2 or just after WW2. Added fact the US Navy still had a large stockpile of its rather infamous WW2 Mark 14 Torpedos around this time.
@vinnyganzano1930
@vinnyganzano1930 2 года назад
USS Phoenix, BROOKLYN CLASS, CL-46 A decent ship in WW2 but no match for Conqueror, even using WW2 torpedoes.
@robertmcghintheorca49
@robertmcghintheorca49 3 месяца назад
About aerial refuelling. So, the Vulcan was designed for refuelling in mid air, but it was such a worryingly dangerous manoeuvre that they stopped doing it for a solid 20 years. And in the bit that was lost, they talked about rushing to find components for the Vulcan's refuelling system. They even found a particular component being used as an ash tray in the crew room.
@garymoore2535
@garymoore2535 Год назад
I recall Ark Royal our full sized AirCraft Carrier was being refitted at the time, this left only two smaller Sea Harrier (Jump Jet) Aircraft Carriers available to provide Air Cover.
@CaptainCalculus
@CaptainCalculus 2 года назад
Hi, the bit that was missed out is outlined here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e5yAtuYPHK4.html The refuelling was really really complex--they had to refuel a plane that refuelled another plane and they'd peel off leaving one to go through to the target. BTW my Dad was in the Falklands, he was one of the guys who walked across the island in the open and then attacked the mountains around Port Stanley. We didn't think they'd actually need to fight, but they did. I remember seeing him getting off the ship, I was 6.
@daveturner6006
@daveturner6006 2 года назад
The problem with the Falklands war was that the Falklands are a very, very, very long way away.
@DropdudeJohn
@DropdudeJohn 2 года назад
Not if you live in the Falkland's
@andrewpark2520
@andrewpark2520 2 года назад
Part of the missing section explained that a vital part needed for air to air refueling could not be found ... It was eventually located in the mess where it was being used as an ashtray !
@chrisshelley3027
@chrisshelley3027 2 года назад
Imagine trying to land a 747 on an aircraft carrier, you saw Harriers using a ramp to take off from a Carrier, a Vulcan is many times bigger than a Harrier, also the right wing would be hitting the tower of the carrier.
@davidrobertson5700
@davidrobertson5700 2 года назад
Airwoof made the howling noise, thats why Airwoof is as iconic as the Vulcan. The population in the Falklands was mostly sheep and about a couple of thousand people at max. Message to Russia and China, we are British and we are simply mad and you can't beat that. Best of luck From Great Britain
@Tiger313NL
@Tiger313NL 2 года назад
Airwoof? I assume you mean Airwolf?
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
@@Tiger313NL OF course he doesn't! He means Airwoof. Can't your read? lol.
@Tiger313NL
@Tiger313NL 2 года назад
@@poppedweasel I've already proven that I can read. The question is can the guy type. :P
@poppedweasel
@poppedweasel 2 года назад
@@Tiger313NL Not sure. I just like the idea of the RAF K9 squadron being known as Airwoof. Don't spoil my Saturday night. :)
@Tiger313NL
@Tiger313NL 2 года назад
@@poppedweasel Ahhh, now that makes sense! Have a great evening! :)
@davidrobertson5700
@davidrobertson5700 2 года назад
It was at the time the longest return bomber run in history, until the yanks flew to Afghanistan
@stewartread4235
@stewartread4235 2 года назад
The Vulcan nuked America two years running when testing Americas defence systems. It is available on ut, I've seen it a few years ago. The UK could only use sovereign territories to attack the Falklands, friendly foreign countries were not pressured to get involved, Ascension Island is mid Atlantic off the west coast of Africa.
@seanspeed214
@seanspeed214 2 года назад
Was at RAF Waddington with the A T C and got to sit inside the cockpit in 1982.The noise of them taking off at night was incredibly
@smooth_sundaes5172
@smooth_sundaes5172 2 года назад
The navy was on the way at the time and Thatcher was determined to do something as a show of force. Not only is the Vulcan a very big aircraft, our main carrier = the Ark Royal = had been retired much to the chagrin of many. We only had the Hermes (a commando carrier) and those poxy; tiddley; Intrepid class things which were essentialy helicopter carriers. Neglect and government cutbacks had butchered the navy (in my view) to the point where Britain was just not prepared for major conflict in the South Atlantic. The Royal Navy deserves full credit for pulling things together like they did but there were a lot of tragic mistakes. Without doubt, the navies real equaliser was HMS Conqueror.
@highpath4776
@highpath4776 2 года назад
Thatcher had also pulled the South Atlantic Survey ship out on one of the austerity cuts, in part this was taken by Argentina to interpret UK no longer interested in the Islands.
@eamonnclabby7067
@eamonnclabby7067 2 года назад
Good stuff,best wishes from the wirral...
@HORNET6
@HORNET6 2 года назад
Air to air refueling was not new but at the time no one was current or practiced in doing it. One of the refueling probe nozzles was an ash tray on some ones desk at the time and was removed, refurbished and reinstalled onto a Vulcan.
@reecefinnigan4523
@reecefinnigan4523 2 года назад
I’m too young to remember the war (born in the mid 90’s) but I love seeing the old pictures of the task force leaving/returning to my home city of Portsmouth. Most of our pubs in Portsmouth still have pictures or item that Commemorate the war. We have a “yomper” statue remembering the brave lads that fought in the Falklands and it was always placed outside our Royal Marines Museum. The local council sold off the Royal Marines museum but thankfully after a lot of local protests the statue has now been saved and moved to our historic dockyard.
@wwciii
@wwciii 2 года назад
The population of The Falklands was mostly sheep, then Brits.
@robet007
@robet007 2 года назад
& a few penguins 🐧🐧🐧
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