@@varunf135 I mean... Rally is mindblowing for everyone thats for sure. But its not my fault that American are cringe at motorsports... its either going in a straight line fast or in circles.. or bumping cars on dirt roads.... Granted they have indycar but the rest is a joke.
There are normally three service breaks on a day in WRC. One in the morning to check things and maybe change the setup, one at lunchtime to repair broken parts or replace stuff due to wear and tear, and one in the evening after all the stages. Sometimes there is no midday service to put the reliability of the cars to the test.
But they can't do major repairs. And they only have a set amount of time. Also the number of races per day can be fairly high. I kind of doubt they change shocks in the short service stops
@@beamed5382 perhaps you just lack the development to recognise sarcasm, the fact remains that modern WRC rally cars are strong and rallying is a very safe sport with few serious injuries.
@@andyxox4168 perhaps you lack the ability to actually use sarcasm in the right way and scenario. In this scenario, you used your sarcasm as an argument against someone. It automatically seems like you're comparing it to Formula 1 and that 10 drivers die every year in F1, something that YOU would actually consider dangerous. So no, you're in the wrong here.
For beginners in rallying , i always recommend people to watch 2004 Wrc Finland Petter Solberg Onboard. It is one of the greatest onboards ever and the pacenotes by his legendary co driver Phil Mills is just incredible. You definitely should watch it. You can get the idea of how pacenotes work as well(the notes are english by the way) , that is actually good thing to know
My favorite part of that video it's that after more then half of the stage completed, at almost 200km/h over many jumps. The co-driver warns Solberg to "watch out, NOW it's get quicker". And with a chill voice, like they're going home after going to the supermarket.
Rally driving at this level is the greatest indictor of a drivers talent. Forget F1 or NASCAR, this is the final boss level. The technique, the reaction times, the bravery is only equalled in motorsport by the TT riders. Check out the Rally Group B (1982) cars and drivers for the absolute pinnacle of this sport.
There's tonnes of tech invested in the shocks to make them withstand those landings. The chassis is also reinforced to allow it to withstand the impact. Also, the drivers and co drivers undergo various types of training to help them cope with the high levels of G and so on.
Rally Finland/Sweden in particular are always my favourites, it just reminds me of hooning down logging roads here in Canada growing up. Why WRC isn't the most popular motorsport in the world I have no idea because nothing else compares to me.
Seriously! Imagine driving upwards of 70+mph (I don't think they're getting too much faster on those tight roads) and just throwing the car sideways on a gravel road to make a turn. Just nuts.
Every rally and every stage has plan for specter’s. Out corners etc Hazardous zones are forbid. Most of parts are limited per rally or season how many they can use.
They don't really shift as a traditional manual box. It doesn't have a clutch pedal since it's automatic and the gear box is what we call a sequential shifter. Up is up and down is down when going through the gears. They do have hydraulic handbrake in the car, but as the rally driver saying goes "it's there to be looked at, not touched." They do use it but it's a rare kind of turn since you can go through a lot of them by just flicking and shifting the weight of the car to get it rolling. The most common kind of handbrake turn I can think right now is a narrow and tight hairpin on tarmac.
Corrections. They do still have a clutch pedal, but it is only used upon getting off or stopping. Also it's common to for the shift lever to be pull is up and push is down.
I'm afraid some of your information is incorrect. These cars (which are no longer used as we are in into the 'hybrid' era) had a sequential gearbox as you state, however they do have a clutch pedal (which is only really used to get the car off the start line). The gear change itself is a paddle shift on the steering column. The handbrake, again as you state is hydraulic, however it is used frequently on both gravel and tarmac to get the car round tight bends, of which there are many on some events. The new generation of cars has reverted to a gear lever on the floor although it is still a sequential box, which as you say forward is up and back is down, I hope this clears things up
One of the main things is his trust in his Co driver. Because he going round the corners blind he's believing every thing his Co driver is telling him from his notes of the track.. Awesome stuff...
They are amazing drivers, the skill involved is just WOW! I am sorry to say Connor here in the UK if you drive an Automatic your just not a real driver. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 A friend of mine who was a traffic officer says automatics are for lazy drivers. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Great video, have a fantastic weekend.
The Rally Finland is extremely fast for a dirt surface, and famous for some big air moments, the most famous being on the Ouninpohja stage. Having seen in-car camera shots of what's going on and driven the same kind of dirt roads, I'd **il myself were I in the rally car. I think Rally Finland is one of the most entertaining events in the WRC calendar. ( A side note, we don't have black bears in Finland, the native species is the brown bear, essentially the same species as the grizzly bear.)
Yeah, and the size of the paw of a brown bear 🐻🧸 is basically double the size of a normal grown up man's foot. I saw foot prints of a grown up brown bear and it's cub in Sweden and knowing it's been there was enough to kind of go back to the car and drive away. Normally a bear see you before you see them.
@@jussieronen3707 According to his own words, German rally legend Walter Röhlr disliked Rally Finland because of the jumps. But I have not heard of anyone who would have refused to drive here.
The cars are ultra tough... each wheel has double coilover shocks and springs, fully independent suspension all round, ultra light, exotic metals and materials (composites, titanium, magnesium, etc.), and inside the car is a very strong fully welded roll cage. The suspension set up in a car will change in every stage depending on the surface (tarmac will have a harder set up, gravel and jumps will have softer damping to absorb the forces better), and they have around 380bhp and are 4WD space frame chassis with double wishbones or, in some cases, McPherson struts all round in - say - races like Finland where longer suspension travel is desirable. 4 cylinder turbos are the common engine set ups, and as power is pegged and sequential gearing, ground effect and downforce aerodynamics, they hold the road and the bends like they are glued down. Whilst they look a bit like the road cars on which they are based, they are in fact incredibly different, and would set you back over $1 million per car if you wanted one! They are set up with very short gearing, and explosive acceleration as you can imagine: 0-60 mph times are around 2 seconds in these cars, and top speed around 125mph, depending on the gearing set up/ race characteristics. There's some basics for you ;)
@@MrMessiah44 that's why I like rallying: the cars have a more level playing field than, say, Formula 1, and therefore driver capabilities are on display
None of the actual rally cars have double coilovers, all of them run some sort of McPherson system front and back on both tarmac and gravel, what they change is uprights, subframes, control arms for the different susfraces to control the kinematics of the suspension in relation with the ride height and of course different dampers, springs and anti roll bars.
The experience of watching a rally in person can be more safely simulated by taking a party to a friend's house with a copy of Dirt Rally 2.0 for your console of choice, along with a few buckets of sand, gravel, and water to throw at each other at every corner. This is also a great way to learn the basics of blaming other people when your friend's mum complains about the mess. Hope this helps.
About you questions regarding rally car repairs, there is this pretty insane video where they patch up a wrecked rally car in 30 min so it's ready to keep on racing. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UKBnPnYh8iw.html
Depending on a drivers preference, they may use paddles behind the wheel or a sequential stick (forward shift down backwards shift up) to change gear. Back in the day where they were fully manual the footwork is incredible, worth a watch. They also have a manual handbrake for the rear wheels as u mentioned.
Yes, they have a handbrake, but I don't think we saw a single handbreak turn on this video. Just plain steering and maybe some weight transfer by pedals.
The framework in the body takes over a thousand man hours to make. They are incredibly strong. The suspension can be replaced a number of times during a rally depending on conditions - and the driver.
FYI, the suspension on WRC cars is around the 50K mark. And they refurbish it after every race but they can replace it 2-3 times/event depending on how brutal the stages are #AcropolisRally. Finland is like a highway regarding the roughness of the stages compared to other events.
Oh boy. So many questions. They only use the handbrake in tight hairpins. On higher speeds they control the sliding by balancing on brakes, throttle and steering. Gearbox is manual. In those cars they have paddles in the steering wheel where they shift up or down. Some cars (on this video also) have secvential gearbox with a stick. That means they have a stick and forward is down and backwards is up. Clutch has to be used only when starting or when using the handbrake. There is a set amount of tyres each car can use in a rally, usually like 2 sets per day. Shocks etc can be changed during service which is 3 times a day. Body and engine cannot be changed during an event. Spectator safety is actually pretty high. In TV it seems they are in dangerous places but not really. There has been very few cases with spectators getting hurt.
After the F1 drivers you were seeing the best drivers in the world. Nothing compares to them. Nascar doesn't even come close. Make no mistake, the cars they drive and the technical teams are the pinnacle of technology. I follow these rallies live in Portugal and the speed between the limit of the car and beyond is frightening, at which they pass on narrow roads and zero margin of error, flanked by walls, trees and precipices. Enjoy the world of WRC.
Nice reaction man. Finish have a term to describe dudes that are fearless and risk addicts... It's called Sisu. And yes the drivers and the spectators are completely Nuts!!!
They do need to replace parts but these cars are amazingly strong and reinforced. They buy a standard road car & rip it apart. By the time they've finished with it the only original parts are the body and chassis which is strengthened with a roll cage.
Plus you'd be amazed how strong a commercially available "track day car" is. I have such a car, and I frequently take it around some very aggressive and hard circuits, where the car jumps on kerbs, takes massive compressions and huge braking zones. Doing these once a month every year, and the car only ever needs routine maintenance, because that's what the parts, suspension, brakes, cooling are all designed to do. Fit for purpose, and so it will be with these rally cars.
It seems to me like people don't understand what motorsport is. It is a proving ground for future technology and systems that will eventually trickle down to normal road cars. This is especially valid for factory teams.
My friends father drove rally cars in Sweden he said he never suffered from concussion but he has problems with his back and hips.Then again he is 70 years old so he reckons it's his age.
you should know in this type of racing there is always a driver and a navigator who tells the driver which way the road goes how sharp the corners are and so on a good portion of these races are done on roads that are not familiar to the teams, they get a sheet telling them the layout and just go
They only use the handbrake when they do sharp U turns. If u look carefully you see that they use ''left foot braking'', that way they can use the throttle and brakes at the same time to get the car where they want. It's incredible to watch the footwork from WRC drivers. If u haven't seen it, you should look it up =)
WRC is Group A is insane. But if you think this is nuts, Group B was banned for fatalities, speeds were insane. Yes, they do shift a sequential gearbox ( like a motorcycle but larger ) and they use a hydraulic handbrake to turn hard corners. They are strapped in a harness when they drive, their helmets have neck protection against whiplash. Yeah, WRC is intense!
1. cars have different setups for different stages, you can set up how high the ride height is and how soft the suspension is, so the car doesn't get damaged and has a smooth ride, even with violent jumps like that, unless the driver hits something or lands wrong, the car is fine 2. they do a lot of part changing tho which has been limited by the rules... on some stages the drivers even have to do fixes by their own since work on the car is limited for pit crews 3. the car should always be lined up with the exit of the turn during slides, if it isn't, it's bad news 4. so far, there haven't been many reports of head injuries due to shaking... ever since the implementation of the HANS devise and the use of better bucketed seats with side protection, the drivers are fine... I'm still impressed on how co-drivers read pace notes during that violent shaking though 5. actually, drivers mostly use the handbrake on tight hairpins, in most other cases especially if it's flat out, they slide the car by controlling it trough the turn with their wheel and throttle... and yes, today the cars have semi-automatic paddle shifters
Says a lot about how the eurozone makes wonders and power with such tight rules whereas the US almost have free roam and no considerable excitement in motorsport
Drivers are fit, the cars have semi-automatc sequential gear boxes, and longish suspension travel to absorb the bumps. Airtime is slower than driving on the forrest tracks. Cars are very rigid, any flexiing in the chassis or body would tear the car apart. Placing the car incorrectly cutting apexes destroys the suspension. So even if it looks like cars are indestructable they are not. Nice flowing neat lines is the name of the game. Of course the navigator is calling out the corners in advance, using pace notes....
The WRC cars are 100% kit cars. Complete rebuild to each race, depending if asphalt or gravel or snow race. All built around the FIA sanctioned safety cage / the frame. Special shocks with xtra long travel, see how low the wheels hang in the jumps, that "glue" the car after the jump. Like said below, check out a vid on the footwork of the drivers - amazing.
in these clips the cars are going about 140-160 kph its crazy looking in the video but irl it is scary. If you ever have a change to go watch rally go. it is awesome!
When I was a kid. My grandparents were living in this area. My cousin and I went swimming and walked on side of the road. We hid behind our beach towels while cars passed by high speed and rocks were flying. They didn't drive this fast. Just practicing, but fast enough.
to answer your question about concussions they minimalize that by having racing seats a hans device aka a neck brace and lastly have the driver position to be close to the center so when doing transitions it really isn't a big deal
Answer to question @3:52: The cars are suprisingly stable, the suspension and shocks absorb most of the hits in the car, so drivers are pretty stable during a rally (especially the professional teams that have engineers behind every setup of the car).
as for safety ... the have a cushion that rest on the shoulder and under the helmet .. plus they have like a strap that latches to the helmet that held it backwards so has to prevent concussion.... and for parts changing ... Iknow that the company who sponsor the tires always take them back for testing afterthe races most parts change after the race or if its broken ...
If you like Rally racing, try looking into Group B rally, it's from the 70's and 80's but some of the cars were, and still are some of the most bonkers cars ever made for Rally.
@@XtreeM_FaiL I didn't say faster anywhere in my comment, I just said bonkers, some of the stuff that happened during the Group B era would never be allowed now.
@@XtreeM_FaiL Faster and safer, but not a lot faster :) Highly modified with no restriction on boost and only 200 cars required for homologation is why it was insane. Safety was not paramount ;)
These cars are equipped with sequential gearboxes, so you just shift up and down. And to initiate a slide, it all depends on the type of corner you are entering into. The more the corner will be hard, typically in a 1 or an hairpin, the more you will use your handbrake. But you can use the Scandinavian flick method, or just initiate a lift-off oversteer by letting of on the gas pedal (or brake) in corners, or brake before a corner and give a quick steer to the left/right to make the car slide.
Chasi usually lasts a season, if no crashin occours. Shocks are different for each rally anywys and of course, they have a truckload of tires and wheels ( quite literally :D )
And also If you wanna know. Rally drivers go few days before rally to the stages with RECCE cars and drive Every stage trough slowly so CO Driver can make Legends...where is 6Right, 2Left and so on...
Drifting happens when you apply too much steering and sometimes more throttle, on purpose, in a way that throws the weight of the car so fast that the tires lose traction, you then use the throttle (gas pedal) and steering input to balance the slide.
Finnish here. Even when this looks little unusual and the reason for Finnish being so passionate and some what gifted in driving, the reason for that comes from our alcohol laws. It sounds surprising but due our liquor stores closing all around in Finland at 9pm, we have to speed up a little bit once in a while. especially when people live in northern Finland where those liquor stores may be hundred miles apart from each other. thats pretty much what roads looks like at 20:45pm in Finland.
At the end of each stage of the race a team of mechanics set about the car with gusto, they can change a whole gearbox in about 6/7 minutes the wheels, shock's the lot get sorted, before the next stage then it's start all over again till the end of the next stage.
Well they got sequential gearshift it moves up when you going to higher gear and down to quite easy to H manual gearshiftTo slide they use hydraulic handbrak (that one hight on the right near pilot (that one whose reading a direction notes on the right seat)
The only reason F1 is more popular than rally is because they drive around in a fixed circular track allowing spectators to view the cars pass by multiple times. Rally is for real drivers with big ballz! Different terrains, different weather, no road protection, jumps, climbs, cliffs, trees, descents, crazy spectators, constantly changing environments and road conditions on same leg, etc. etc. F1 is just about strategy, statistics, memorization, fine tuning and a whole lot of show.
Setting up the drift is primarily about weight transfer. It can be set up by just lifting the throttle for a moment or, in tighter corners, by braking. Hand brake is only rarely used, and usually only in *really* tight corners. Keeping the drift is a lot about throttle work. Push it hard enough to make the car drag itself in towards the apex at the same rate the centrifugal force wants it to leave the road. Different amounts of throttle needed for gravel, tarmac, or snow, of course.
You should watch some Rally Poland too. One of my favourite, I think you will like it too. Sadly WRC stopped rallying there after 2017 due to spectator safety reasons
Per event the number of tires is limited to around 24. The wheels (minus the tires) I think are unlimited (someone, please correct me if I am mistaken), but somewhat limited by the amount they have on hand. 1 chassis per year, unless the damage from a crash/fire makes it unsafe - then a new vehicle with a new chassis has to be prepared. 2 engines per year - separating the head from the block is forbidden. Turbo's can be replaced as it is considered a 'wear' item. I do not know if there is any limit to the number of transmissions. The suspension (shock absorbers) can be replaced as needed, but there is a limited number that is brought to every event. Axles & prop shaft, to the best of my knowledge, are unlimited. They only carry a few spare rear differentials. The engine and transmission can be separated to replace the flywheel & clutch if needed - its just a very time intensive job. Replacing windscreens and body panels is limited by what you have on hand. If the roll cage is impact in a manner that could compromise the safety/integrity of it, the vehicle cannot race for the remainder of the event. Depending on the regulations (per year/generation) there is either a shift lever (forward/backward) or paddle shifters on the steering column. The handbrake is used to help rotate the rear of the vehicle - not specifically drift.
You should react to the best racing video ever made, "Climb dance" set on Pikes Peak hiil climb, an anward winning poetic racing video. Beside awesome views it also features some really great inside views of pure driver skills.
@@finntastique3891 yep, not even Marku Allen, Stig Blomqvist, Walter Rohrl, Colin McRae, Juha Kankkunen, Tommi. Makinen or any of a multitude of drivers from the group B period that won more races than Crasher Vatanen … and of course Sebastian Ogier has won more championships than you’ve had hot dinners!
@@finntastique3891 yep I’ve seen Vatanen in Climb Dance but it’s a hill climb with massively modified cars, I’d rather watch Group B based on real cars even though in its later years it too became a space frame formula … then again I lived through Group B and drove in the national championship where events were longer than the current WRC sprints so it’s in my head without the videos! (P.s. as for ‘Allen’, it could be a combination of Allan + Alen or simply the fault of the spell checker … and as for accents, I can’t be bothered!)
Car frame, engine and base is always the same, in gravel or tarmac... they also have a limited number of tyres that can be used on each rally, and also lots of KM donne on the called link stages... brakes, suspension, transmission and setups are changed many times, including during stages by pulots and theyr navigators... a WORLD apart
Its not a stock car. The parts are far, far more sturdy than what comes on a streetable vehicle. That said, yeah new tires pretty much every rally stage, and they replace a lot of broken suspension stuff as well.
i would assume, that they mostly enter to that 4 wheel drift (?) by using scandinavian flick, which is far more reliable in high speeds than handbrake and usually they use sequential transmission, which means pulling the shifter up highers the gear and pulling the shifter down lowers it
it is actually the other way around, you pull to go higher and push to go lower. Also some, if not all of the newer cars actually shift via one paddle on the right side by pushing/pulling since it doesn't require the driver to take their hands off the steering wheel
The jumps arent the problem for the car... the problem for the car is weight of the drivers balls. Also Finns we drive like that if the alcohol shop is closing and you have under 10 minutes left to get there and buy your beers for weekend night (you cant buy alcohol from shops between 9pm and 9 am. If you want alcohol in that time you can buy it and drink it only at bars, night clubs etc.)
Remember sometimes they'll be using the brake whilst turning and keeping their foot on the throttle it can make the front end sort of squat and dip in, I think this is what you were asking about at.the start :)
Tire usage rules change almost yearly as well. That technology is what really sets these crazy cars apart but it also holds teams back. Especially land speed chasers. They just don't have tires that can hold up at 300mph
No frames on cars, the floor acts like "frame" and ties the whole car together with the sides and roof. Gears are changed with full throttle, Clutch only used at start. Turbo needs replacement every couple races. Having no watse gate destroys them. Whole car setup is changed pepending on track surface, winter, gravel, asfalt, ice. 1,6 lIter inline 4 piston engines.
That's how us finns drive every day. Check some Ouninpohja incar vids, that shows better the grazines of this sport. And no, no headinjuries usually, even with crashes. It's really safe sport nowdays.