Usually there is a mirror fitted to the back window of the tractor to allow you to see the pick up hitch when coupling a trailer , surprised the 7530 doesn’t have one
The baler might weight 12 ton but the nose weight at the hitch will only be around 3 - 3.5 ton. I know people over here in the uk hauling grain trailers weighing 25 ton gross with 7530’s and they piss it !. It’s all about the nose weight !!!!!!!!!
Reminds me of the never ending "who has the biggest pecker" contest between each and every nation/country/city/whatever else. This hitch isn't better nor worse. It is excellent for what it is made for. Quick hooking and unhooking of those types or hitches. Each hitch has it's application, doesn't mean europe is better nor that america is.
That hitch better around the farm! It’s not comparable to that at all! Because there are times when one country has better farm equipment than the other! Instead of saying it was a negative competition. It would be helpful to have friendly competition to invent & innovate things!
In the uk we also run big balers and the drawbar hitch copes well with them, most of the weight of the krone is in the axles and only a small amount will be on the drawbar.
Hello, just stumbled across your video, love the 7530. all the “quick hitch” or hook hitch’s in Ireland/UK are only rated for 3 ton to remove liability from the manufacturers. They can hold probably over 20ton. Been pulling a 14 ton excavator plus buckets on a low loader with them for years as have many others. Still holding strong.
Hi. Here in Norway we use the so called UK hitch, and i will say that when you have used it some times, it dont take that long to connect a trailer, not any longer than the time you used on the US hitch. And i think the UK hitch is safer to use, because on the locking of the trailer hitch. But the US hitch looks very Nice. We can’t all like the same things😎
Yep and the bulk of the weight is closer to the tractors axle. Less to go wrong just lean out the cab a little. Once the hook clicks into place its secure but can still pivot
The hook hitch used in the UK and Ireland surely stems from convenience; a lot of implements are mounted on the 3 point linkage over here as opposed to predominantly being trailed in the US due to size and hp restraints. The hook hitch prevents the need to disconnect the drawbar from the tractor every time you want to mount an implement on the 3 point linkage.
We have a John Deere 7280R that was built for delivery in OmsKirk UK and factory equipped with a Pickup Drawbar CT3 hitch. The hitch hook was very visible from the tractor seat, and that tractor is FULLY equipped: 5 pair rear SCV hyd. connectors, 2 air brake cone connectors, 1 hydraulic brake connector, ISO bus & trailer light electrical connectors, and a hydraulically extended 3 point center link. Looking out the rear window of Wes's 7530, there are two large manual hydraulic selector valves in a stack, that very much block the view of the pickup hitch OR the stock drawbar. What are these hydraulic controls for? Wes's 8530 seems to have a clean view to the drawbar. His Krone BP1290 HDP baler has a machine weight of 27,000 pounds / 12,000 kilograms. and the machine has a tongue weight of up to 4,400 pounds / 2,000 kilograms. The Bergman Mfg site does not indicate the Agri-Hitch rating for tongue weight.
Wes, I'm not wanting to cause an argument because the fact is that we use different methods in different countries and that isn't likely to change. I'd just like to make a couple of points. Firstly, speed comes with practice, so the series of movements that you say took a minute to lower the hook, with practice can be done in a matter of seconds. The same goes with judging when the hook is in the ring. It's just a case of knowing your machine and practicing. Secondly, your concerns about strength are unfounded. I know from experience that one of those 7530 pick up hitches will manage a fully loaded trailer topping 36 tons, which according to my maths is about 81000 U.S. pounds. (That's at the top speed of 56kph on a none too smooth surface) Finally, the reason we like the pick up hitch (and its variants), apart from being quick, is it's safer. There's no need for someone to come between a tractor and unsecured trailer to drop a pin in and risk getting crushed. Also, because the hitch lifts the front end of the trailer, some of the weight is transferred onto the back end of the tractor. This not only increases traction, it allows for safer braking. I'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs, you know your business and it's up to you what you do with it. But please don't knock the systems we use in the UK, they're safe, proven and reliable. Cheers
Joe Barton hi Joe and if you see most off there trailers thay ar all swivel trailers. So thay don't have the Wight on there draw bar thay ar just doing a strat pull all the time. So if we put that on ar standard trailers u can see big problem to much on the drawbar . The way we have hours are better cos brings Wight in on back axel.
As far as I'm aware, trailers in the U.S. don't need to be braked. In that case, having the weight on the tractor, and only having the one pivot will make braking much safer
Joe Barton That's not true, at least for highway towing any real weight. In my state, once you go over 3,000# trailer weight, all axles need to be braked, and you need breakaway brakes, to boot.
bcubed72 over here all are trailers have brakes now but have trailer closer to tractor I find it lot better less jack knifing ok we do use artic trailers over here as well i uesd to Hall hay with them. But its hard to back up as well cos of extra turning point but like every thing it's the way u have grown up with the tractors and trailers wich u just grow with. I'm not saying what wes as there its great if u moving stuff around quickly around yards but just long distance pulling it not for me. But in UK we got lots more rules to go by. Now. In . U.s it's different rules in different counties. . Even the tractor wes is using there is from over here are trailers have to have brakes on them.
i dont know about john deer but on our massey 390 and 4355 we have a mirror on the back window,and when you open the window the mirror goes with it ,and you can see the hitch in the mirror.
The baler is designed to have weight on axle hitch is just to tow along ,, not a bad idea of a hitch but needs took off when using arms or PTO , if u get used to the UK /euro you don't need to look at hook ,also in UK our load length is restricted so with this your loosing a foot of length on trailer and leaving more awkward to bring a trailer into fields with longer drawbar as UK roads can and alot would be very narrow
I think they show them at some farm shows and I know I have seen them demonstrated at the Clay County Fair. Not sure if they still have a booth there or not. Always thought they were neat but expensive. That is why we never purchased them.
1: spec a mirror on the rear window, you can see the hitch perfectly 2: how do you use a pto machine with that quick hitch 3: it wont work with a fixed drawbar full off grain as it wont lift it up Uropean is better you just need a mirror and a good opperator aswell a a ball hitch not a hook
we dont have dolly trailers over here, we use the hook to lift trailers off the skids that they are parked up on. about a ton ,that guide would just bend back. good hitch for your implication tho.
I have been out of farming for a number of years (UK) but back in the 1990s we used pick up hooks for the heavy work (we had trailers up to 13 tons). Sure the hook was out of view from the cab but there were guides on either side to align the hook which allowed you to back up into the trailer eye in a second. The 3 point lifted the hook up & the latch locked the hook up so that the hitch could never detatch by accident. We also used this type of pick up hook on the back of a trailed forage harvester which you backed up to pick up an empty trailer so a single working tractor could work a field, dropping full trailers & picking up empties as you want & the filled trailers were hauled back to the clamp (pit) for dump & return. It was very efficient & fast. When I moved to Canada in 2000 I did some work with tractors here again & I found the tractor hitches here a complete bunch of pants....
In fairness both systems work well but the only disadvantage to the us style is that there cannot be any tounge weight which would render it useless to us over the pond
I was kinda thinking the same thing, I don't think that would hold up for long hooking up like a 15-20 cubic grain trailer, let along pulling it at full load.
I'm not saying it doesn't work with lighter loads, as hay or one of them smaller grain trailers with a whole in the bottom. Just a hassle having to switch between two hooks.
I remember 4 months of pain while healing from harvest season. Yanking tounges around to line up with hitches. Yes you can extend the tongue sometimes 18 inches but there is always an alignment of an inch sideways. Moving the front wheels with 9 thousand pounds of weight on them was an issue. 2 years of using this system resulted in no painful injuries to my shoulders. I used the safety pin while on public highways or roadways. Not so much field to yard travel. The kind of pin with the wrap around capture clip works real well. I put the supplied pin with separate spring clip on the planter box rack as a spare.
Fairly common for a plate and two bars to be welded on top the tongue with the bolts one washer inside on that kit and you just make that bars'n'plate thing for all your wagons.
We moved from Friesland (NL) to the UK and our Ford 3000 had a hitch mounted above the axle, as was common in The Netherlands at the time. We were told it was illegal in the UK and so switched to an under axle one off a 5000. I am much more familiar with the pick up hitch type as used in the UK. It should be noted that European farmers are far more likely to used trailers that have front axles that steer, while UK farmers tend to use trailers that are carried on the hitch. This hitch demonstrated is great and easily visible, but way too far back for the types of trailer used where plenty of weight rests on the axle. for 4wheel trailers like shown here, it will be fine. Technically you still have to get off the tractor to hook up your lights and air brakes/ hydraulic lines, but yeah sure hitches up quick. No use on heavy trailers in my view.
Alex Veldhuis we don't use brakes on ag trailers. Or lights. None of that nanny state bullshit in America. What do you suppose that 40' trailer in the video.will weight when fully loaded with hay?
@@verteup "Nanny state bullshit"....hmmm. Since when has making yourself visible to other road users on single-track country lanes been 'nanny state bullshit' I cannot fathom. We have very short dark winter days and visibility to other road users helps to prevent accidents. We prefer to engage in prevention rather than having an excuse to go to court and sue somebody for something as stupid as hot coffee being hot. Now that is really 'nanny state bullshit'. People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
Using the European/UK telescopic hitch is a skill, once you master it it’s easily as quick as the ‘agri speed hitch’ and what you do is extend the hitch out with the hook and lean out slightly and you can easily see the hook, practice makes perfect, also having the drawbar extended with the agri hitch, means it would be more likely to lift the tractor in the air with a heavy load, I really don’t like having the cord dangling around when all it has to do is catch a link arm and there goes your load down then hill 😂
Wtf are u talking about man john dear tractors and Cats are the best the hitch design doesn't matter. U should keep most attachments on not remove exchange do anything with it . If u can afford it otherwise its all just the same destroy the tractor
We use those hitches on our chopper boxes and grain wagons and they do work very well. My only real complaint is that the bolt and washer system to space the wagon hitch is kinda BS. The bolts always loosen up and it's difficult to get a wrench in the bolt head. Instead we welded steel spacers on the poll
Hi Wes. Why does the hook on the tractor mount on the underside of the draw bar? It looks like there are two lugs to create a channel to sit on top of the draw bar and prevent a lateral/twisting motion. Perhaps they are for some other reason
Andrew Adams you are correct about the two lugs, they are supposed to straddle the drawbar from the top. He is using a heavy cat drawbar that is extremely wide and judging by the clip it wouldn’t fit, he is also using it for light tongue weight applications so it should not be an issue for him
There's usually a mirror on they mudguards of tractors in Ireland so you can always see the hook and with your fast hitch you have a lot of work to do if you need to use the 3 pt hitch you have to unbolt the drawbar which takes a lot of time. With the eu hitch the drawbar is out of the way and the minute u take off a trailer you don't have to modify it to use the 3pt hitch. I will admit that hitch is slightly faster that the EU hitch but it wouldn't suit the trailers that are used in Ireland
Who the fuck puts lights, brakes and shit on a hay trailer? Y'all do that in Ireland because your overseers say you have to. Cuz "muh safety" mate. Fuck outta here with that pansy ass bullshit. America is the breadbasket of the fucking planet. Think of us next time you're shining your masters shoes.
Also it’s a lot of extra work putting on and taking off the quick hitch off the drawbar of the tractor when you need an implement for the link arms etc
i would say its to do with using heavier trailers for smaller/lighter tractors for small areas and using the weight transfer from the trailer to help the tractor get traction - so it is close coupled so that the weight is as close to the rear axle as possible
Well even in Germany we have a completely different technic, wich works beautiful, i've never seen such a Hook (UK) before, and i was wondered about the American technic, i like this idea
Every tool has its application, personally I can’t see that hitch system working in the uk. 90% of all modern equipment in the uk uses the pick up hitch with the hook not the drawbar and there is no pin to line up. That hitch you’ve got there wouldn’t work when you’ve got a full 16t trailer with most of the weight on the tong, yes if it had a dolly you’d be fine, but you loose all the traction on the back tires then. And once you’ve used the uk style for a few months you can judge where the pick up needs to be. Personally I don’t have the push out option and I find it fine. No maybe not as quick but safer because you have to lift the arms to the very top before the trailer can be disconnected. There are horses for courses and I don’t doubt that your hitch is much better for you. But it doesn’t work for everyone and there no way that you can say every uk and Irish operates is wrong for not saying your way is better, just like we can’t say ours is better
It's a bit wrong to say that most of the weight is on the tong. There is a 3tonn limit on the hitch in most tractors (afaik), only larger ones having one that is rated for 4.2 or something. So a trailer is often rated with getting close to that limit when fully loaded. And even empty having probably some 500+kg on the tong. I would still argue that the pick-up hitch is better than the standard US ones, as I see no real benefit of the US ones except it being pure mechanical.
Descorath there's only a limit when picking up the trailer due the connecting rods are small ones u connect the trailer nearly half the weight is on the pickup hitch just that the hooks are strong enough to hold the weight and the rods aren't
Budd 56 Anyone who has lived to Wes's dad's age & farmed his entire life, deserves to be pampered and spoiled by their children as much as possible because they have earned it (imo) 😊
This is the reason I bought mine, to pick up round bales. Their spread across the field and you'll have groups of 3-4 close together and by the time you drive around to fill the wagon you have a lot of wasted time. Now I move the wagon to the where there is a group of them and cuts loading time in half. As with hooking and unhooking any wagon keep on level ground to prevent runaway wagons. Do use the safety pin when running the roads takes just a few seconds when hooking and unhooking, I never had a problem with mine (been using it for 15 years) but over time the spring may weaken and bouncing and jerking from rough roads anything could happen.
Just require everyone to install the safety pin before going on the road. 2 minutes job of putting in the pin could save you a bunch of money later if something was to happen.
Take someone like his dad who doesn't get around to easily anymore yeah 2 minutes. Take Tim or Wes then yeah be less than a minute and back in the can and rolling down the road.
BIlly the SMall Bong thorton from india shut up with your stupid comments on everybody honestly no one cares for your opinion or your bullshit so be a lamb and shut up.
But that thing needs to be detached when you use your 3-point hitch. And that can not take any load from the trailer to the tractor wheels. It's simply way too far back from the rear axle. We here use only trailers wich give two to three ton load on trackor wheels to increase traction. Way I see it that US is just stuck in the middle age just because you guys had to be so hard headed. If hydraulic hitch was invented in US, everyone would use it. But hay 20 years from now, you will hop on the train of progress with us ;-)
gewoon en zwaaihaak trekbek k80 kogel of zoals wij zelf gemaakte trekplaten die op de plek van de zwaai haak zitten zijn zwaarder gebouwt dan die zwaai haak van 8530😂
the hitch we use is called a dromone pick up hitch in my opinion i think it better than the other types.most tractors you see in ireland use this set up
if the v is not wide enough you can take a piece of pipe and bolt it on through the provided hole, they do sell the extensions for things like a forage harvester where you can see very well.
Your SpeedHitch tm is only for fully trailed trailers . the tongue is too long for semi-trailers . And ur country has less demanding tractor laws . We need to register, insure our tractors and under go mandatory yearly technical inspection . And our trailer has to have brakes unless trailed mass is lower then the tractor itself . So u need to get out and and hook up brakes , and lights too , so inserting the hitch pin takes only additional 5s . And Europe doesn't have that UK Hitch style . if u need more visibility to the hitch , u could always put a mirror .
what about installing like a backup camera, like my friend did with his. He had problems seeing it clearly like you were/are and decided to put a backup camera and it has helped ALOT for him
How about a bowden cable like a bicycle brake? Less risk of it getting snagged on something and dumping your trailer, and you can route it and tie it up neatly
august you are right, because everyone I know that uses this hitch, has it on top of the drawbar. The only reason I think Wes put it on the bottom is maybe the drawbar might be too wide.
he really should consider switching it around tho. the wagon side of the hitch has that little stand which seems like it sits pretty low when connected and could catch on something. with the tractor side of it on top of the draw bar he'd gain that little extra ground clearance. have a feeling he'll learn that the hard way soon enough
I'd suggest putting a snap lock and a closed eye. I can see that cable falling off and getting drug or caught under a wheel. That's a really slick hitch system.
its not a pissing contest its to allow his dad to hook and unhook hay wagons faster and it works its not a way to shit on anybody else his dads knees are getting bad and now he can hook and go without getting in and out of the tractor
Bloody ripper mate!! Thanks for making this video. It’s one of the biggest things that pisses me off every day is hitching things up. I’m buying some for sure
Works fast! great for pulling in the field. are there any rules about trailer brakes for going down the road? P.S nobody in mainland europe is using the uk hitch we use ringfeders.
Typical farmer when it comes to oiling or greasing anything. The motto is, "When it is new, it doesn't need it and when it is old, it isn't worth it". Then start screaming poverty.
god good... sound like the absolute opposite of Norwegian farmers. here it's like like "it's says add xx amount of oil\grease once a week, lets triple that and to it twice a week" not unusual for tractors here to have an inch of hardened grease on top of the back axle after 10 year of use. on the note its nice because nothing rusts stuck, downside is that you need to clean it to be able to repair anything...
Fergal Murphy You can do whatever you want on your own property. It's only once you use a public road that they can get you. (There's also a "farm use" exemption in most states, for slow-moving vehicles within a certain distance of the farm.)
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bcubed72 it's same same here in Ireland, only when you go on a public road do we need tail lights, brake lights and indicators.
What you need to understand is that most of the uk uses a closed field system meaning that we have hedges and trees and are fields are generally smaller. So we don't need to be pulling a 20m cultivator ( a random example) meaning we don't need to have a big and bulky of tractors and hitches. Also using the pick up hitch is a skill and once you have had some practice it's easily to use and very quick to use.
I'm in Ireland we use the pickup hitch and drawbar the hook is lightning quick just drop back up lift lock and go used it at silage and hauling diggers and dump trailers and the like the drawbar on your 7530 is slower with the fact that the pin has to be dropped in it is well able for the baler because most of the weight is on the axles it's just pulling it it is more than fit for it but it is more of a preference we think it's a great system but not everyone else has to
Lol, it was german engineers who invented large rockets, a scotsman invented the phone, a british engineer invented the first computer and an italian the incandescent light bulb, but otherwise you're right!
That's a awesome product, one thing Wes, shouldn't the coupling be on top of the drawbar not supported by the bolts, I was always taught to use the base metal to support the load and use fittings to control movement, Cheers Dom
Your living in uk in Europe son .....arrogant Brits you’re empire fell long time ago but when you leave Europe you have all that manufacturing to sell to India .......
@onelonleyfarmer we have these on our grain wagons for harvest on the farm here in Minnesota, but instead of the rope we have a spring loaded system with two different small hydraulic cylinders as a double redundant system so it WILL NOT come unhooked. They save a ton of time!
Very nice... only thing I could see as an improvement would be to install a spring loaded solenoid controlled safety "locking pin" that would automatically lock the coupler to ensure it couldn't accidentally uncouple if something got up there and tugged on the cable, or if the cable dropped down a bit and got tangled on a weed or limb or something... have it wired up to a doorbell (momentary) switch in the cab that you had to depress the button and yank on the cable to uncouple-- the momentary switch would energize the solenoid and pull the lock pin back, allowing the cable to then yank up on the lock to allow the trailer to uncouple... If you wanted to keep it TOTALLY electronic-free, a cable-pulled spring-loaded safety lock pin could work, or better yet, just go to a push-pull type "choke cable" setup to pull the unlocking lever instead of the regular cable or rope to unlatch it... with the "choke" cable pushed in, it would push the lock lever down, with it pulled up, the lock lever would unlock... might need some sort of spring mechanism so that the lock lever can flip up when the trailer locks in, and slide up the cable against the spring to do that... with a stop on the cable end so when the cable is pulled it positively pulls the lock up to unhitch... It looks like it works very much like a vertical version of a fifth wheel hitch on a semi truck... very clever. Later! OL J R :)
Wes, I think I saw the Speedhitch way back when as well at Farm Progress Days. I too wanted my dad to get these for us. We had 6 forage wagons (20' long) and while I was chopping, my mom & sister each had a tractor hauling wagons back & forth between field & farm and my dad would have his unloading tractor. Can you imagine how many times we all climbed up & down from the tractor to hook up wagons all day?!?!?
That looks fine for a trailer with a turntable on but here in Ireland 🇮🇪 we use draw bar trailer and that hitch is back away too far from tractor a 3 axel low loader would rip that right off 🙈
the UK Pick Up Hitch works well but is a pain to see on older tractors where it doesnt extend out. the Benefit is it brings the weight nice and close to the axle for good traction. Im not familiar with JD hitches but it looks like youve got half of the clevis hitch there? Clevis hitch is for the lighter weight stuff and the pick up hitch "hook" is for mid range weight stuff... really heavy stuff has a ball and cup hitch.
I'm a great follower of your channel and always respect your point of view. I'm an Irish person, have driven tractors since I was six, now 40. I repair tractors for a living. The hydraulic pick up hitch non extendable is faultless. I've used it to pull 20 ton loads of wet heavy silage on single, double and tri axle trailers. This sort of system is ok, but shear strength is compromised.
that hitch doesn't comply with uk regulations as it hasn't got a two stag release to stop trailer coming off on road. basically uk system safer as you need hydraulics up and pull latch lever and lower to remove trailer.
Hi Wes, just a question,..isn't the new hitch arm/bracket suppose to be sitting (bolted) on top of the tractor hitch and not underneath like you have installed it? I am just curious because I was wondering if the side welded plates on the new hitch sit over the sides of the tractor hitch??? i don't know....?? perhaps you installed it correctly??? I'm not judging, and not trying to be a smart ass :)
That’s really cool. Not much use in the UK though. Because if we go on the road, we need lights by law. So we’d have to get out and plug them in anyway.
Here in Finland I use on our Fords the European type hitch and I pull loads up to 20tons and it works very good and the agri hitch would not work with our trailers that have onely one axle and 3/4 of the load is on the hitch.
Oh hell yeah I need to get some of these hitches for cutting silage that is slick as snot! Wes how come you use the air impacts instead of the electric impacts?
Maaate, I think that Bergman speed hitch is slick as sh*t. Have not seen this before in New Zealand What a genius idea. Will definitely be using this idea on the bale trailer when picking up pads of bales from the accumulator. Move the trailer, pick up bales, hook up and move the trailer, pick up more bales. Genius!! I wonder how much weight the pick up at the tong can bear before it bends and won't pick up the trailer? Meh... I'll just modify it when that happens. Thanks onelonelyfarmer great channel mate.
So a few things- I'm from Ireland, and we are irish and European. The hitch is a brilliant design but would not be aloud on the public roads. Mostly because if the cable got pulled the trailer would become detached from the tractor too easily. Next the front dolly in your trailer ( axel and front wheels ) also illegal to have on public roads in Ireland. For those reasons our trailers wouldn't suit those hitches as there is unsupported weight on the hitch .in Ireland it's the weight of the trailer that keeps the hitch on the tractors rear wheels and adds to traction.
So this is speed pintle and lunette hook system the military has been using for years. Nice fast hookup that will get you to good ground to pin it for the road. The old 3 point with draw bar was not faster than anything other than what it replaced.
Im Irish and all i got to say is our style of pickup hitch isn't as good as the european style hitch. Bought a new holland in from Holland last year and it had the euro hitch on it and all i got to say it was a right good strong capacity Drawbar no hook just a drawbar. Only issue with it was it was very hard to work with tankers and trailers as hitch wouldnt go down..
so now you have a hitch which is about 3 foot behind the tractor and now you cant use any kind of three point tool that works just behind the wheel base or that generally comes down above where the three point link ends are so for the people who want to use both it just doesn't work
Hi wes, iam in England, just wondering what weight can that can take, as it's a fair way out from the back of tractor,,, like ya vids mate., enjoy the day to day of farm life.
The guys I work with use those hitches, my grandpa uses it on the 4840 and 650 bushel grain wagons, those hitches are the only thing that helps him keep up with the auger cart
I love that quick hitch and release action: so positive and secure. But the main question that all the commenters are missing, surely, is: why on this green Earth did you go to the massive expense of buying and importing a British tractor to the USA?!? (And leave the original meaningless number plate on it! Do you intend to ship it back at sone point? Perhaps for a driving holiday?) Are our farm vehicles so popular over there that this is not a terribly unusual thing to do? What could be so good about our equipment that you would prefer it over stuff made in your own country? I am presuming that if you have what looked like two of our tractors then you'd also have some matching agri equipment/ attachments/ accessories...
