Amia vs Gesture: Sacrifice Looks For Better Comfort 

The added padding doesn't necessarily make it softer, but is meant to replace the cushioning that is lost in used chairs.

The goal was to add a base layer to provide a like new feel, not create a thicker seat pad experience-GK

Facts -GK

Most chairs are ass chairs.

It’s not comfortable, that’s the biggest reason -GK

The cost to ship to Europe would not be worth it. It is very expensive. I'd keep looking on the equivalent of Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace in your region. They should pop up there, especially in larger cities -GK

@@btodtv unfortunate. Thanks for the answer.

Hi, how did it go? Do you like the chair? Let us know ;)

you get value from this video yet don't buy from them. ouch. They were prob the reason you purchased

@@Topsquadjapan 1. I wanted to buy new, not refurbished. 2. They don't deliver to Canada. 3. Who the fuck asked?

I really enjoy both chairs. But for me, the Amia is the one I have continued to use on a daily basis. I think the seat pad is a bit softer and the back supports me better. But you really can't go wrong with both of these chairs IMO -GK

Agreed -GK

​@@btodtv Look at those bariatric cushions for wheel chairs like Desk Jockey (not the cheap "new" versions they sell). It is too thick, but it would be the right base material. People would buy that guaranteed.

I'd say both wide seats and thicker and more comfy padding

You will need to assemble, but it is quite easy. Just make sure to line up side activated cylinder with height adjustment lever and you’re good to go -GK

Depends where you are locate4d, but you can always reach out to Steelcase and ask for a local dealer in your area -GK

@@btodtv do you know if the Amia customized to all black and the Amia Ready to Ship are the same? The ready to ship is $20 cheaper

The Amia doesn't have a lot of options that will impact the sitting experience with the chair. Make sure it has 4-way arms and get the right casters for your flooring. Other than that, it is good to go out of the box -GK

hows the gesture feel? torn between that, haworth fern, or herman miller embody

@@tredey1 i was torn between the 3 myself and now that i have the gesture, it really doesnt help that much as i still want to try the other 2 lol. the gesture is a solid chair that really helps your posture but 2 things make me unhappy. one is that i wish it had the rocking recline that the aeron has and the other is the seat. while its comfy and supportive, i find that the soft front edge kinda makes it feel small. it's really weird but at 5'10'' with shorter legs, the seat seems like its not deep enough unless i put my butt all the way to the back. if you kinda casually sit down with some space behind your lower back, then the seat seems a bit short. it is wide though. all in all, it's a great seat and the head rest is awesome. if you want the best headrest, fabric, and build quality, i dont think you can beat this.

@@willc2935 there’s a Haworth showroom somewhat near me so I think I’m gonna try and sit in one of their Ferns before I ultimately make my decision. I liked how the gesture felt when I got to sit in one at my Best Buy but you bring up some good points about the seat. Thanks!

@@willc2935 I'm just under 5'11" with long legs. I recently purchased a Gesture. I agree, the seat seems a bit shallow front to back. I guess that's what the seat pan depth adjustment is for, but the downside is, the further forward you slide the seat pan, the closer to the back edge you're sitting...which is where the seat has the least amount of cushion. Unless I get both the seat pan adjustment and height really dialed in, AND I sit with my butt slightly forward, it feels like there's a bar going across my butt/tailbone. Not only does this leave a bit more space between the front edge of the seat pan and the back of my knees/calves, this somewhat defeats the purpose of the chair, which is to be comfortable in a variety of positions. On the plus side, I didn't get the adjustable lumbar support, and sitting with my butt slightly forward brings my lumbar down to the ideal height for the seat back's lumbar curve. The arm rests are nice, except that they don't completely lock in place, which can be really annoying for OCD people who want perfectly and symmetrically positioned armrests, lol. A few other notes: 1) I got the Era fabric. I wanted Billiard Multi, because it's softer, but IMHO Era has better colors. Plus, it's more durable and will better retain its color. Also, Era isn't nearly as coarse and scratchy as some other fabrics I've encountered on cheap chairs, so overall I'm happy with it. 2) I guess I have long arms too. The armrests are barely low enough for me at their lowest setting. Actually, I wish they could be tilted downward ever so slightly - the height under my elbows is fine, but not under my wrists. 3) The armrest pads could be softer. 4) The upper portion of the back rest, where the fabric wraps back, is not flexible, for obvious reasons. 5) The platinum metallic finish on the base and frame is shinier than it how it appears in photos. To me, it makes it look a little cheap, but YMMV. I also found a couple spots where it looked like the frame was scraped, but it feels perfectly smooth, like Steelcase didn't repair the scrape before clear-coating it or something. I'm not happy about it, but I don't know if it's worth the effort of requesting an exchange (assuming I don't decide the chair is not comfortable enough). I read quite a few reviews which said their Gestures arrived damaged, so caveat emptor.

Is that the one with a mesh back?

@@StardustLegacyFighter yes it is!

We shared a link for an Amia that is fully loaded around the $670 mark in our best early black Friday deals video. There shouldn't be any difference, it was just an amazing deal -GK

Amazon is full loaded and honestly the Amia is pretty meh - nothing special as someone that has one.

@@MarkElf2204 Amia is meant to look like a very boring chair, but it's far from it.

I personally think the Amia is more comfortable for me. But Gesture is a really nice chair, so this is 100% going to come down to personal preference for your fit. If headrest is a dealbreaker, then the choice is pretty simple -GK

@@btodtv Thanks for the advice!

My advice is to try it out. I really like the headrest of Gesture, especially when recline. I'm 171 cm., 85 kg. Very comfortable, no tailbone pain yet. May be it because the reviewer is taller than me.

@@Metha.K. Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately, it is not easy to find somewhere nearby to try one out. I'm 179 cm, 73 kg. A similar size to the reviewer, but not sure of the wight topic. I can't say I use the recline much on my current chair, so not sure if I would miss the head rest. It is going on 8 years old now and recently getting tail bone pain as I think the cushion is getting a bit thin, so looking for something that will last a long time and be comfortable.

It's intended to be a premium work/lounge hybrid version of the Leap v2. I've only seen it advertised on Steelcase's main website, so I don't think it's available internationally tbh.

If you're a fan of Steelcase chairs and absolutely want to avoid mesh chairs, then the Amia or Leap v2 should be better choices. The seat pad on the Amia is considered to be very comfortable, especially by ppl who have continued to have tailbone pain in the Gesture. The Leap v2's seat pad has a flexible front edge, which should help you to avoid circulation problems that you've been experiencing with the Gesture.

@@StardustLegacyFighter i've been looking at the harworth fern. how is that chair? it seems like with steelcase i have to have a trade-off?

The haworth fern mesh version is on sale now. however the digital knit version is not available. is the mesh version ok?

If you're looking at the Fern, I highly recommend getting the digital knit backrest. Having an opportunity to use both, it is hands down the better option of the two. I'm not surprised with your issue with the Gesture. Those are the two reasons I don't like the chair. The seat pad creates an issue for my tailbone and the lumbar is weak. For your instance, I would probably recommend the Amia if you want to stay with Steelcase. -GK

@@btodtv I think I need a chair where it is impossible to ever bottom out on. I am sceptical on the padding on the fern, as I am someone who bottoms out on chairs quickly as my buttocks lacks the natural padding and being 215lbs; I sink into the chair padding faster than normal I would say. I saw the embody , but I think that has an issue with the thighs cutting off circulation similar to the gesture. If I purchase an Amia, would a 2nd hand one suffice or would the padding be worn down? I quite liked the idea of the Lamia.

Depends on how uneven the floor is tbh.

could also be viewing angle of your screen/work station....and orientation of your mouse/keyboard/workspace as well. Or if you often rotate/turn your head/neck/spine to look at a "master" tv/monitor for "work flow" in an office....or a corkboard/bs "paper" related data...or Human elements on a constant basis...while also tilting/turning to look at your work station/monitor. This can easily cause back pain/chronic back pain. IMO consider changing your height/arm height bc These aspects do apply to constantly gyrating/turning around rotating your spine/neck. If you have more hip/balance or more emphasis/force on your hips vs back/neck/shoulders etc. Or knee/hip pain vice versa.

Get the seat depth set correctly and try not to slouch -GK

How ya find the chair now? Just curious. I m getting 1 atm

@@sittkukk8278 Still great in the aspects I mentioned before, but the seat still seems a bit firm. I got a purple seat cushion which is really nice, hoping it will still soften up over time and I won’t need the cushion.

@@jj515789 Glad to hear. I went w Amia as well atm. Had to choose btw Fern or Amia, but both seats are firm. I guess thats for all high end chairs.

@@jj515789 May I ask which Purple Seat Cushion you got? I would like to try it as well out of curiosity. Did you get the Simple Cushion? Cuz that 1 doesn't seem overly thick and would ruin the ergonomics

Sort of a nice blend of both. Improved comfort over the Gesture, with more features than the Amia -GK

Probably too tall for Amia -GK

@@btodtv Any recommendations for my height?

In the Steelcase lineup, I’d look at Leap or Gesture -GK

We speak so highly of the chair because it is one of the best values in office seating. Expecting it to be a Gesture is probably why you are so disappointed. -Ryan

@@btodtv I think the confusion is because you try to not base your ratings on price, but then come and say the Amia is an S tier chair above even the Leap. So which is it? Is the Amia just good value, or is it the best chair currently out there? Because there is a difference between being the best value and being the actual best, and at this price range 100/300$ is not that big of a swing for the better chair, even if it's just marginal differences.

@@cristi724 Amia stinks - I would recommend anyone to stay away. Like I said it’s a highly available chair, easy to refurb cheaply and move at a low price. I regret everything about buying this chair.

It shipped today :) -GK

@@btodtv LETS GOOOOOOOO! Looking foward to that video.

It depends on the seat width, I would verify what you like for space first. Otherwise, yes it would be good -GK

From an authorised dealer in your country or online from Steelcase Europe.

I've spent the majority of my time in an Amia. We do not have the Sidiz t80 in our office, just the t50. I would hope for the big jump in price the t80 is a lot nicer than the t50 -GK

As you're based in Europe, you should have access to the best chairs from Herman Miller, Steelcase and Haworth. I recommend looking at the following chairs, but I will advise you that it's best to try these out for yourself if you can, because comfort is rather subjective. 1. Herman Miller Aeron 2. Steelcase Leap v2 3. Haworth Fern

for people with a weight of 120 kilos, and a problem in thel lumbar disk which chair is recommended for me?

@@iocifiocif2789 Any of the chairs I listed can work well for you, but you need to try them out properly first. Each of these chairs has some form of adjustable lumbar support, however the way the system works is entirely different. In terms of the weight rating, these chairs support 350lbs (150kg) easily, so there's no need to worry about the durability.

Is this a good or bad thing?

@@Divastarchick2008 For me bad. If you dont like lumbar, then probably good. You can adjust the lumbar from top to bottom... however mine had a defect out of the box where it would constantly slide down from the top to the bottom and I'd have to keep readjusting it.

@@TheMrKlassy yikes. Did you buy it new or used? You might be able to get it fixed under warranty if you got it from steelcase or a chair reseller. Is the seat at least comfortable?

@@Divastarchick2008 I returned it... was new from steelcase. The seat was really good on the amia. I actually just ordered a Leap and hoping for the best.