Ammar's argument with Misha during the Stockholm Major 

Meanwhile taiga is chilling and chewing and analyzing the bet lol

If you specialize in certain heroes then you make those heroes exceptional.

for those that didn't watch the Ceb interview, actually this is a sign where someone so passionate and care and really love the game. It's just the expression that needs to be "modified" and I like that perspective. Sometimes we just don't know what to say and just say something that might look offensive

To be fair, Ceb and Ammar carried the shit out of OG in the major. Conflicts aside

There's a fine line between a signature hero and the right meta hero. If all it takes for you to win a game is to play a hero at 70% capacity, and you can do it, then you go for meta picks. If not, always go with signature picks that you know u can play at 95-100%. Ammar and misha is half right here.

At this point ammar is half right, wndd isnt umba, ceb made her imba

What ATF want to say that they should pick comfort hero. Like notail or ceb did when they won ti. They ask there player or player will suggest what they want to use.

Ammar read the mood correctly here, if they tried to play the meta with the meta heroes they would get destroyed by other teams who are doing the same thing but are ahead. They needed to be unpredictable in their lanes but not too crazy. They are playing with a standin who needs to play comfortably, so they gave him his comfort heroes. Ammar needs to play his comfort heroes because he has to play freely and perfectly to accommodate Cebs heroes. In the end, Ceb played amazingly because Taiga and Ammar adapted to the heroes he could only play. Incredible teamwork and prep by OG

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes"

Misha sounded like kuro. That was one big red flag to have him captain again next season.

Understanding of a Hero, is really have big impact on the game

Well he was right, windranger wasnt imba.They used it well got Ceb is so good with it They won in big part because of Ceb and Ammar

This is why u insta ban Meepo on W33, Magnus on Ar1se, Kunkka on Attacker, Invoker on Miracle, Mars on Collapse, Storm on Sumail, Puck on Mikoto, Tinker on Kiyotaka. Becauss those guy can make those heroes fucking looking imba bcoz its was their signature heroes.

before dota2 and there was just "dota" when we play 5man in a caffe for betting games i always ask my team mates what hero can they use i ask them for at least 3 hero and then pick the hero that can sync in to other heroes , i dont let them use heroes that are strong but they cant use it smoothly this sounds dumb for someone playing as a captain for his team but we manage to win alot of games because of it and i am proud of my team mates even if they were 1.3k-2.3k mmr when dota2 becomes the thing and they enemies became 3-4k mmr they can still say we beat you in a 5v5 beforr 😊

Legend one said , whoever win the mental warfare he win the game . THIS IS DOTA 2 AMMAR

What documentary is this and where can i watch it?

this is just normal classic argument in dota,

Ammar is right. Back in the days, players that excels the most we call them imbas. If a hero was played at 100 it can win 1v5. He's just reminding us of the potential of what a hero could do in a game. I'm missing those times.

I have to say I am a long time fan of Nigma specially when they added Sumail, its basically my favorite Carry (Miracle) and my favorite Mid together, when Miracle rested I was still rooting for them but then Ammar Happened.. and Now I dont know

Ceb is the real IMBA ❤

didnt he have small hero pool which was the problem.

Ammar without misha won some lan tournaments

This is what happens when you play a meta hero that's not comfy to play. Signature heroes are the ones you master rather then picking some fcking buffed up heroes you don't even want to play

signature hero vs META has a huge difference when it's a team that plays, not some pubs. Signature can be META with the team.

i still love the old og

For those who don't know, they not only won that game, they won the tournament.

ATF spot on

Bro everybody need to understand ammar is not an offlane player smh

They're both have points to be honest, some games you win because you're just ridiculously good at playing that certain hero and sometimes because its the meta. I believe those successful teams are able to balance both argument.

Toxic or not, ammar knows the game. That's all I'll say

There was no teamwork or true care for one another like the original OG.

Timber and razor were imba at the time, so I agree with Nisha, however ammar brings up wind ranger which is a good point, but doesn’t win him the argument.

Ofc signature heroes will win. Collapse magnus, dendi pudge vs tongfu, and puppey chen vs tongfu too

Its remarkable how powerful the difference is at 5th teammate Nisha than 5th teammate Ceb. If Nisha was there instead of Ceb, Ammar and him would have kept arguing and vertainly lose third game. The presence of mind and leadership Ceb brings in literally a champion maker talent. Greatest respect from me. Note I am not saying Nisha isnt and amazingly talented player, he destroyed so many teams and will just get better yet.

ammar is true but it depends on mentally and on player

Mindgames are sooooo strong

Where can i watch full version

Ammar just cant follow rules, he felt he should lead the team.

Ammar is like Kuroky so much pride.

im a fans of OG since Miracle was playing for OG until this fcking Misha , im just so happy ATF is success at other team . ATF team hope goin to Ti and win it

To be fair, Ammar was their star player on the team

Ammar is emotionally unstable. Look at him without Ceb and Misha's guidance, pos 1 using pos 3 heroes. I feel bad for Sumail and Miracle they need to join a new team

meta heroes are there to change the pace of the game , a little success of those heroes can change the whole game. Imagine pro players using meta heroes that should be considered broken , Signature heroes are usually a risky pick since theyre pros , enemies will most likely have counter heroes or plays against those signature heroes , Big example was Topson's gyro diffu. Meta heroes are better cuz it wont pressure your teammates much of you getting countered or whatsoever. Ammar been trying to do shot calls on times that Ceb was talking or relaying shot calls as well 😶 It made the game looked like 4v5 since ammar was playing different plays from the other 4 teammates :( He's good that he was able to adjust on the spot but theres always a delay since he's planning by himself and following it also by himself

what does "enigma 8" mean? also in 2019 True sight they say "ember 15"

Why i see kuroky in armar?

Ammar is speaking like a true Slacks watcher, he hates WR with such passion he's MENA Slacks.

Amma was truly the fucker in that moment 😂😂😂

Ah yes the words imba it's been a while i heard this one

So that why Ammar rarely plays another Heroes huh

The only reason why Ammar is arguing that using signature hero is the way to win is because his signature heroes is basically all his hero pool

listen what uncle said kid.. ammar said.

My signature hero is pa.. but tat doesn't mean i can own every game woth pa..

Only old OG can win tournaments using their signature heroes even if it is not imba

I started to respect this kid, hes right. U dont need wide hero pool to play dota. You only to master like 5-10 hero and you will be good

wind pos 5 is only imba because of ceb

You will never win TI if the teammate carry toxic habits against teammate. No f way! History repeat by itself.. ATF believe put meta hero into line up has more chance of winning. This is short cut with half luck. OLD G believe the combination of both world.. the most important go with your feels.. the gut feel that glide the opponent

and they with the next game with windrunner

The other is still a player and the other sent back to coaching. Pro player isnt for everyone

wr 5 is not imba lol this performance won this major and he still says this

people keep balming ammar mc gh an so on even miracle about nigma bad play but the promblem is kuro. the main reason the changing roster from w33 til roster now never succeed is kuro. i would stan nigma again if kuro were retired as pos 5 in that team. it's tired to wait more than 3 years🤤

how to watch full video

Which game is this?

WR pos 5 isnt imba, but CEB is...

Look what he did!

Both had their points

You can pick any hero when u know the capability of the hero 100%... Here ammar is right 80%

I bet Misha had a huge role for kicking him, worst move ever, they should bring him back and take misha out.

remember TI3

After that og isn't the same again😢😢😢

Misha is the worst member OG had

Why do I feel ammar is the 2nd Kuroky? I mean is that like kind of "Just do as I said coz IDGAF about the rest"

LGD losing TI with Tiny+Lycan imba meta xD

Misha just wasn’t that great. And ammar too cocky for his own good. Nothing will ever compare to the original sunflower boys. Humble yet supremely confident.

as much as i hate ammar's personality, he makes a great point. playing their signature heroes is what won OG the grand finals in ti8 after all

The guy that knows how to play only 3 heroes gtfo here

not picking IMBA then lose like NIGMA.

now i know why ammar was "kicked". But I would say he did nothing wrong, even from a teamperspective, because Misha wasnt making a good point at all and even attacked ammar with it who just defended with speaking truth. Bad from both actually.

The truth is OG will never be the same without Ammar. He won two major without Misha. And ATF is the best Player in that roster.

When you lose even in the internet,sorry misha,you are not valid anymore with that argument,and im not even ammar fan

Bruh ceb spammed that heroo and made it look broken ...don't blame on some hero ...when a legend playin it and owning you the game all around its a good thing you are on that team ...when you don't give 100% to your game that 1% costs you the whole game ....never doubt a legend

At this point, Ammar is becoming a liability he is not versatile and cannot catch up with the meta. but If I'm the one who is picking I will also let him pick his signature hero and just trust the process.

U know u gonna get mad When people stating the truth 🗿

just bring old OG

does CEB remember what he said about russians?

new og can only play same heroes

I dont think this is a conflict , its a discussion , its a competitive game , u think footballers go and spesk polite to each other in half time ? No , but they know its a competitive spirit and sport so its very acceptable , if u get offended by something so small as this then ur not allowed to be called a professional

I used to be a TA/ursa/SF(4.5k smurf.) Specialising in a hero is fine but sometimes you have to adapt to the meta. I hated playing invoker but I learned it just to know how to beat it. In the end ceb is right. But ceb is always right.

Amar was 100 right here.

ammar won them the tournament

i mean ammar was right but he has no valid reason to say that considering his low hero pool.. i mean how can you go with comfort picks if you can only play limited heroes and keeps getting banned lol

Ammar need to change his attitude and listen.

Heroes are not imba, a good player make it imba. Heroes are not meant to be Meta, Good players make it a Meta.

And then he left for NGX because he always wanted to be pos1 or pos2.

This ammar and misha do nothing for OG. They won that major thanks to Cen and Yugari not stroke

He is right, picking stupid heroes is a joke

Spicy stuff 😱

I don't like Ammar, bur he is right.

im with ATF in this windranger is strong cause of ceb but thee are many heroes better than wr in that meta just saying

Ammar got talent,but his arrogance might stop him from achieving his goals. Have to respect his teammates or else he'll have no team to play with.

WTF is cocky... when they won the major.. he was like just standing there... not happy because he knows ceb carried them...ceb who was supposed to be just the substitute player became the savior... look at ammar now at Nigma... he cant even be a good carry player...ammar is a good player but inthink hes not a team player