A frequent point I see users making is that Death Battle's animations are more-or-less irrelevant to the actual stakes of the battle. My argument is that the animation depicts actions and feats that do not accurately represent the character, and Death Battle themselves use these situations to justify their argument. They also did not utilize variables they had brought up themselves, such as Hal's limited ring charge, and Ben's Omnitrix being able to react on its own. To say the battle shouldn't be taken seriously when analyzing the episode is to say that none of the interactions in the battle have any sway in how Death Battle decides the winner, which is not the case.
I still have a question for you although it might be a silly one . Who do you think is the strongest superhero you know ? I don't mind if you don't respond just know that you brought me back memories of Ben and made me understand a lot more about him . Keep up the amazing work. Peace
Roktoof Yes so you see in Ben 10 there are many retcons and plot holes in the multiple seasons but there is an in cannon explanation for that celestial sapiens. There’s many art style changes and voice actor changes in the show and it’s confirmed by the creators that alian x did all of that he changed the cotinewity of the show he was in and by logic he is 27 dimensional. He is an author level character.
The fact that the Omnitrix reacted to protect Ben from dying in a place where time doesn't exist is mind blowing but beyond some people's feeble comprehension.
Time equals= matter While they exist there, time does take effect on them but when they leave It will be back to when they first entered the timeless place
"Batman took off GL's ring." Screwattack: but that was an inexperienced hal. "Vilgax took off 10 year old ben's omnitrix" Screwattack: Brilliant! We'll use that as evidence!
@@justasentientmclarenp1879 yea it works differently. you are correct the omnitrix is better then the ring in terms of defense. so their no reason as to why ben couldn't of just transformed into upgrade and go into the ring and control it.
@@ben69028 but Dr Manhattan had a hard time trying to understand the ring and gave up when he couldnt understand the makeup of the ring or control it if He had a hard time trying to affect it then Upgrade doesnt really have a chance at comtrolling it either
in ScrewAttack's Q&A for this episode, they mention that Batman removing Hal's ring should be neglected as a possibility because that was an inexperienced Green Lantern.... but then they used the original series Ben for the battle and use an example of Ben having the omnitrix removed in the first season of the original series by Vilgax where Ben's at the most inexperienced point in his life. so if ScrewAttack and that commenter you're referring to neglect inexperienced Hal, then all of Ben's inexperienced moments have to be neglected too.
@@bentennyson2615 exactly lol. it'd be like if during their fight between Deadpool & Deathstroke, they used the version of Deadpool that was just a man suffering from cancer. like yeah, Deathstroke would win but... why would you misrepresent Deadpool like that.
I assumed that DB was only sticking to Ben's original 10 aliens in order to make the fight fair. But the fact that they had him pull out Alien X and lose is beyond stupid.
I think they purposely manipulate things to make who they want win. Like he said they never used Diamondhead, Feedback, or XLR8. Alien X should've just poofed his ass the second he showed uo
For some reason when a Marvel or DC Character is being discussed like this it's like they become some immortal being that can bypass the workings of all powerful Gods.
In all honesty the biggest problem I have with death battle is they put a regular Ben 10 versus almost all the versions of Hal (Is that how you say his name?)
It's because DC fans keep applying their universe's rules to Ben's universe Like I legit saw some people said X can not prevent Hal from time travel or create/destroy universes because it's said somewhere in a DC book that no one can do that even though X literally can and did
@@tenderandmoist5011yeah DC fans are g@y...they will say Superman will defeat everyone his super strength & speed & somehow he will lose to Batman because He Is Batman😂😂😂
They don't have focus,versatility and creativity. And on top of that they are VERY bias and makes amalgamation of characters to give unfair advantage. The Mario vs Sonic battle is soooooo bad,this battle is the reason why i don't watch Death Battle more.
And they match up battles only if the characters are similar. But they fail to understand that similar in appearance/personalities doesnt mean same tier like Goku vs Sonic
@@laughingarrancar6859 Mario vs Sonic, Rogue vs Wonde Woman, Doctor Strange vs Doctro Fate, Ryu vs Scorpion and Gaara vs Toph are prime examples of their bias and incompetence, im surprised there are people who take that show seriously after they pulled the "Superman is as strong as he needs to be" ignoring the fact that he is nowhere near the strongest hero in DC, nor character.
Its not their fault DC wins all the time Its because DC always makes their characters GODS even lesser known characters like Captain Atom or BoosterGold are OP as Hell
@F3 PLAYZ thats because Hal was'nt focusing was'nt in any sort of fighting setting so there would'nt be any reason for him to watch out incase someone tried taking off his ring
The problem of death battles using marvel/dc characters is that they’re such long running series. Back then it was all about saving the city but they needed to make the stakes higher each time that at one point they can’t make it higher. What do they do next? Reset the universe or retcon everything. Like one chapter superman could be beating up the writers because he’s “beyond the script” and next chapter he’d be getting beaten up by street thugs using an M9.
Yeah imo the Marvel/DC battles get boring to me unless against each other directly, just cause most if not all of their characters are OP or have a version of them that is, like that's their whole thing lol. Even Batman whose whole thing is just being human and overcoming that, with the fact he has contingencies for everything and is an immaculate tactician, has at least like 5-6 forms where he's just a diety 😂
@@mibroelcacas hed win in -3. Alien x would defeat him in all the timelines, reverse three of the timelines and then kill him again in those timelines.
“Alien X can’t resist time-control” *literally controls time in his first appearance* To everyone out there Ben 10 defeats Green Lantern EASILY. Nothing you will say change my mind because its facts people. Ben 10 is simply too powerful for Hal to defeat
phantom falcon Oh yeah? Hal is going against someone who can literally do anything he wants. Alien X doesn’t even need to fight him, Ben can simply erase his ring from existence and kill him with ease
phantom falcon You’re right he is not Omnipotent, but he is something damm near close. Hal is not stronger nor faster, but even if he is, which he isn’t, it doesn’t matter because Ben can simply erase Hal from existence.
@@phantomfalcon8104 Alien X has been shown to be at least 5D. He was born outside of the Universe, and isn't affected by universe creating antics of other 5D beings. Hal has some impressive power feats, but nothing that puts hime anywhere near the durability of Alien X. The second Ben transformed into Alien X, the fight should have been over. It's also worth noting that Hal didn't beat Ben. He travelled back to before the fight started and killed an unprepared Ben. Not only is this a complete cop-out (Alien X could do the exact same thing), it goes to show that even Death Battle couldn't think of a way to beat Alien X. The Ben that was fighting Hal the entire time would just be standing there, wondering what happened. He never lost
No he wouldn't have. Rath is completely fodder to Hal Jordan in every aspect. Tell me how a character who isn't even Country level beats someone who casually tanks Multiversal erasure?
Ya know, Ben always keeps a copy of himself as Echo Echo in his trunk. So even if he managed to lose somehow, he'd still be able to come back and try again.
Death battle: We have two teams of 12 people work for two weeks or more to sort this out, if we did not show anything its because we cant show everything we found in a 15 min video. Every other youtubeer: BUT YOU FORGOT ABOUT *Put thing here* !!
The thing that REALLY made me mad about the ending of that Death battle is something that wasn't even mentioned despite it being a literal quote from the shows creators "Time is whatever Alien X wants it be" meaning Ben could literally say that the past no longer exists and LOCK Green lantern from time traveling
It would be a hilarious bit of cruelty in a fight for ben, ever cocky to just wait out everything Hal can do to prove a point that alien x is omnipotent multiverse erasing/creating power that it is. While Jordan thinks bens mocking him with not even bothering to move, ben is there arguing for the guy to be taken down with the other parts of Alien X's control.
I’m not hating but On them but the omnitrix doesn’t let Ben die it could have repaired been but maybe he can only do it with the ultimatrix but they used the weaker Ben to make green lantern win imagine if it was Ben from omniverse
I'd say the biggest issue with fights like this is they pin a character with a mostly linear path of progression with characters with severely ranging feats from dozens, if not hundreds of comic books.
I do agree as well. And as you said a lot of the death battles usually have a character with a short amount of media vs one with a large amount, or one with a liner story vs one with a complex story. And sometimes if a character doesn't have many main feats they start to use some non cannon ones to make up for it. A few examples would be like: John wick vs James bond, jotoro vs kenshiro, and master chief vs doom guy.
No, the comics aren't a problem, it's the death battle channel which puts unbelievably unlikely character battles to show off their head canon @@n4n4sh1_
"Aliex X was treated far more like a melee fighter." I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. They did the same thing with Dr Strange and Dr fate too. You have 2 of the most op magic users in comic books going at it and they're fighting with punches and kicks. They seem to think every fiction fight would look like a DBZ fight.
I don't get it, though. With how often they have to repeat that the animations are _just for fun_ and _not_ actual representations of how the fights would go, why do people _still_ not understand that? Their fights are based on stats and _stats alone,_ taking into account how one can counter the other. The animated fights are _completely irrelevant._
Sed Donkus there are two problems with ppl who keep stating “the animation is only for fun” despite it being true. 1. This person isn’t complaining the results are inaccurate, he’s complaining that the fights are dull and do not represent the characters well. The fights are repetitive because they all act as DBZ fights and thus aren’t fun to watch for some ppl, so the fight doesn’t rly do anything for the viewer. 2. Even though the fights are just for show, that doesn’t mean that they can’t be inaccurate. GL beats Ben in a way that’s not possible and death battle claims to know that which makes the fight kinda dumb considering it’s not even a “possible outcome or representation” of what might happen. So ya even if the animation doesn’t count towards the result, that doesn’t mean it’s okay if it horribly misrepresents the characters
@@mystacit6486 _No one_ says that the fights are accurate. _No one_ tries to push the fight animations as valid arguments. _Not even Death Battle._ Hell, they barely even acknowledge the fights. _That's_ why the ending rundowns in Death Battles can most times barely even have much to do with the animations and seem to just be random statements of strengths. It's because it's _not_ a rundown of the animation, it's a rundown of why one wins over the other, how one's stronger than the other, how one counters the other. In Ben vs Hal's video, they're _not_ talking about specific moments in the animation, they're talking about and emphasizing how everything that Ben has to offer, Hal simply has _better._ This is something Ink Tank doesn't seem to understand. I mean, sure. You understand that the animations are invalid arguments, right? Then you must understand that arguing against them is just as invalid and pointless? And yes, the fight animations aren't much, and they can very well just do the battles without them. Hell, you _can_ simply just skip them if they bug you so much. But, come on, now. If they removed them, they'd be just like every other unsuccessful nerd channel on youtube discussing and _only_ discussing, getting one or two thousand views per video. Are you really going to tell me there's not a significant part of their viewers who are just the general public tuning in and just skimming over the first half of the videos to get to the animations and the results? The simple fact is that people find hearing people just talking and discussing _boring._ So the fight animations are squeezed into Death Battle's videos, as has been reiterated over and over again, _to put on a show._ To draw people in.
@@99lifestogo63 I can agree to that I don't really watch them for the results anymore just to see how certain characters are represented or if they do anything that will spark discussion like the Goku vs Superman episodes
Ben: I figured that the omnitrix had a Fail-Safe that wouldn't let me die Deathbattle: y'all hear sumn? Cuz I don't Edit: why are people still replying to this comment, I disagree with Ben beating green lantern, move on in your lives.
@@gman4736 Nope. Hal is stronger and faster than Alien X, and by extension the Failsafe considering his speed feats are LEAGUES beyond anything shown in Ben 10.
Zephyr Omega haha you’re serious really ALIEN X CAN ERASE SOMEONE FROM HISTORY IN A BLINK OF AN EYE AND ALSO HE CAN DO WHAT EVER WANTS HE CAN TURN HAL INTO A FISH
@@ugochukwunyere3196 okay this is gonna sound crazy... But there's an episode of Ben 10 where the Omnitrix and Ben's hand was separated, and the Omnitrix took control of Ben's hand to reattach itself. If the Omnitrix AI is fast enough to react in a place where time doesn't exist, it could theoretically make Ben's hand come back to life, reattach itself and transform Ben into Alien X or a faster alien to avoid the oncoming hit
@@jakew6162 It's not Ben and Chad(Who voice Wiz and Boomstick) that do the research. They're just given the scripts and told to read. After the DB aired, both Ben and Chad even said they expected Ben to win and were completely thrown off when they found out it was Hal who won
My biggest problem (as it is with many DC battles) is they took feats and abilities from multiple versions of a character despite them having different abilities. Yes silver age Hal could time travel and have a bunch of other abilities, his constructs were never shown to be as powerful as the modern incarnation.
@@BLACK_KNIGHT_PRODUCTIONS they showed young ben so does that reasoning also mean Ben can only use 10-year-old transformations, he also notable never really has control of alien x for most of the series so then again that would be the case in the fight
@@samuel-uq5tx actually a celestial sapien has 2 extra personalities besides the one dominant on the body and ben actually just sends them away by telling them to go debate elsewhere and give him the keys making him fully able to control the alien x form.
Everyone else: *argues about the extent of Ben's powerset* Me: "they turned ben, a literal ten year old child, into a bloody murderer, and then killed aformentioned ten year old child"
Here's the thing: it doesn't actually matter what the characters morals are. It's called DEATH battle! And so it doesn't matter if the character doesn't kill or not. They could take dora (who never kills) and have her kill someone because it's a webseries about who would win in a fight to the death.
As a huge fan of both, thank you for not shitting on my man Hal, but delivering the facts. Slight correction on Hal's ring not having fail safes of removal though, that scene is derived from "Batman is so awesome and cool and unfallible. he's God." they completely broke continuity so Bruce could look cool for a second. Ben still wins, and has superior fail safes but that movie is absolutely not a prime example.
Ben doesn't win doe , I'm actually a Fan of both and I know Ben doesn't win due to Hals more insane feats. Ink is a fanboy , the thing the people in the comments accuse DB of.
Do you realize how much of a broken record you sound like. Alien X is an above 26th dimensional being and as confirmed by the creators “time moves as Alien X wants it to” Also Ben doesn’t even need Alien X to win Feedback, Chromastone, Buzzshock, Ampfibian, or NRG(Outside of his containment suit): Drain all the power from Hal’s ring making him vulnerable and try to recharge it Grey Matter or Brainstorm: Can easily device a plan of how to remove Hal’s ring and get the upper hand Upgrade or Jury Rigg: Can easily take control of or dismantle Hal’s ring in 5 seconds and I doubt Hal would know to react in time Ghostfreak or Toepick: Can scare Hal or distract him long enough to catch him off guard Ghostfreak, Big Chill, or Ampfibian: Can phase into Hal and turn into Diamondhead or Way Big Clockwork: Can slow down time and take Hal’s ring or age him to dust Ball Weevil: His slime can easily absorb energy attacks Gutrot, Pesky Dust or Swampfire: Can easily just put Hal to sleep. And as Pesky Dust can just enter his dreams and cause nightmares Echo Echo or Ditto: Can clone himself up to 100 clones, have them all hit the Omnitrix symbol, turn into Gravattack and create 100 black holes Whampire: Drain Hal’s life force Upchuck or Eatle: Can just eat Hal’s attacks or Hal himself Nanomech: Shrink down to microscopic and fly into Hal’s ear and then turn into something big
@@spectraphantom5870 1. Those aliens probably won’t be able to drain his battery. His ring is unique and can recharge using his will. He has more will than everyone in the universe. Maybe feedback can, but we wouldn’t know for sure since the power in question IS will 2. Maybe upgrade could take over the ring. Then again, maybe he could will upgrade out of the ring. Who knows. Jury Rigg can’t dismantle a ring. Do you know how strong he would have to be? 3. Hal can easily overpower both of them before they make a plan. 4. The ring can detect that the aliens in question can phase. Hal can fly extremely fast so he wouldn’t get caught unless he slips up. 5. Hal is most likely losing here 6. Ball Weevil is not going to absorb the power that can hurt guys like Superman 7. The ring automatically filters out the air. They wouldn’t be able to do a thing to him 8. Gravattack doesn’t have the strength to make a single black hole. Maybe clones of him can, but he wouldn’t be able to escape. It would be suicidal to make a black hole. 9. Whampire could drain his life force assuming. Hal could easily get him off and fly fast enough to get away. Maybe if Hal is creative he could simulate sunlight and burn him. Hal prolly isn’t that creative though 10. Sure, both can eat constructs but what if Hal decides wrap them around completely? They wouldn’t be able to move, open their mouths or do anything. It would be GGs from there. 11. This is one I don’t know what to say about. I don’t know if GL’s barrier would protect him from something entering his ear or not.
@@spectraphantom5870 wasn’t just him but I’ll give you that one. Still, he can escape a black hole because he is that fast. He literally almost went into the speed force
Alien X and the rest of his kind are also protected from alternating timelines and even timeline destruction, not only would he be able to time travel as well to prevent Hal from winning there (which he should not have) but Alien X could also have been able to prevent from being erased.
Hal has damage gods far stronger then alien x, from universal gods to hyperverseal God's alien x would die and Hal has a god from so they left that out too
@@MissAshley101 Alien X quite literally cant be affected by anything thats apart of a regular universe... They are multiversal and do not come from the regular universe they are born and live in the forge of creation... the only creature powerful enough to destroy a celestialsapien is a celestialsapien they are nigh omnipotent and hal would never be...
@@TimeMasterOG he's bound the force of magic and godlike powes also the Multiverse feat was debunked they are universe + or low complex Multiverse, alien x isn't omnipotent Hal Jordan can be hyperversal with his God of light ring making boundless for a limited amount if time he's even helped take down mandrakk and omni evil god who threatened all of fiction with he's mere presence
@@meshasmith6810 the real reason ben lost was because of the "creative" Death Battle wanted him to. Contradicting most of the points they made to ben even before the fight.
A year later and I just realized Alien X’s time reversal puts Hal right before he recharges. That means Hal time traveled, cut off Ben’s arm, and stomped on him all on a decharged ring. I swear this battle just gets worse the more I think about it.
If you even think about it for one second.... And research alien x you know he would just stomp out bloody hal in the snap of a finger... the dude can rebuild universes, control time among other things (i havent watched the show in a while) i doubt he could ever be affected by a measly mortal
A speed feat I recently realized is that Alien X being able to create the universe means he was able to create the distance of the entire universe in about a second that is incredibly fast since his power had to travel the length of the universe in both directions.
I mean even before that alien X could just send him a trillion years in the past or into the future. Time moves how alien x wants it to move I would also assume distance does as well
plus he only did that with 3 of his cells or particles whatever, point is that means his true power is unknown, alien x is literally the doctor fate of cartoons.
@@freestyle3948 Never shown. But the creator did acknowledge the idea of it existing once, and said that it being weaker than the original would "be dumb". So if it were to theoretically happen, it'd be even stronger (somehow). Also, one older version of Ben had a "fusion" ability that combined aliens together. One fusion was combining an living nuclear reactor alien (basically absolute control over nuclear energy) and Alien X. This new form completely bypasses the multiple personalities, giving him full control over Alien X's powers although slightly weaker. Lots of little bits here and there.
Alien X should be treated less like a super weapon, and more like the old testament God. He can create the universe and all life, and then immediately kill everything if they displease him.
agreed tbh it should be a last resort as BEN PHYSICALLY CANT DIE AT ALL and he was so many other aliens to use like big chills in-tenability then transforming into way big there are infinite amount of way ben could beat hal in my opinion they downplayed Ben so much
@@lazerc1an60 also infinite ways Ben can’t ever beat Hal Hal has beat specter with a black ring this easily makes him above hyperversal above 26d you did no research on Hal’s true power
There’s another thing overlooked too Green Lantern rings are powered by will power and the pure opposite that nullifies will is Fear Had Ben turned into Ghost Freak or Toe-Pick or even pesky dusk then he would’ve effectively broken Hal’s will power and nullified his ring
Ah yes, Hal has gotten over being possessed by the literal embodiment of fear itself, yet he will become helpless to a scary looking thing. Oh no. Such fear.
Let's also not forget the time Ben Died as Chromastone, omnitrix was completely removed when he was Crushed, then it brought him back to life. And this was during the time when Ben kept the Damage between when he was hurt as a Alien
There is also the fact that Ben, using Echo Echo can use the Omnitrix to change into any alien he wants while still having the clones and changing the clones into different aliens. Remember from that one episode
I remember It was an episode(alien force) when ben had to go see his girlfriend's tennis match and he was bored so went to the bathroom turned echo echo , made two clones and turned back human producing three bens who later transformed into three different aliens.
DB Ben 10 hasn't been consistent with his combination of powers so we won't use them Also DB :we'll use a feat Hal has done once and another another Lantern has pulled
DB: Alien X had no defense against Green Lantern’s time travel even though he just time traveled about 5 seconds ago. Diamond Head’s durability is nowhere near as tough as Green Lantern’s unlike Alien X’s. Alien X couldn’t stop universal destruction even though another alien was able to absorb a Big Bang. Ben 10 had no defense against having his arm chopped off even though it actually happened in an episode. Alien X couldn’t destroy Green Lantern’ shield even though Four Arms could. Ben 10 could only use one form at a time even with the life support system (which is just BS). I could go on but we’d be here for hours.
Db has a habit of going with the word of God argument. It isnt an invalid argument, but it isnt the whole argument. But comparing a hero who's been around for 10 year to one that's been around for damn near 100, obviously one will have more extream feats under their belt.
Think of it like this. Each Green Lantern has done incredible feats, they are able to because they have the will power to do it like containing the big bang or surviving the crisis which was a muliversal erasure. Now Hal has defeated the god of will power or the very embodiment of will power, with his own will power. So that means he would be able to do this same feats or do them in a greater way.
@@assthrasher4305 some of them, but many lanterns have things like durability and longevity that hal will never have because at the end of the day, hes still just a human
I can respect them if Ben lost via a legit reason. Time travelling like that is not a legitimate reason when Clockwork can do they same thing. Big chill and Ghost freak can phase through almost all of Hal's attacks and Chromastone and Feedback can absorb all his energy attacks. Even being hit with an entire moon/planet would not be effective if you can't even touch the person you're trying to hit. Manipulating time is also not useful if your opponent can also do it. And from how it looks, Ben can do it better as Clock work can travel to different timelines, travel forward and backwards in time and even undo destruction from multi timeline bomb
@@endercreppernetherman7026 alien x I'd powerful, but many of Ben's other aliens were just as good for the situation. Upjuck can eat almost anything thrown at him and send it back, in the original I believed they said he swallowed something that had the power of 16 suns. His changes are also incredibly fast and he can couple the effects together. So he could literally use multiple combinations of Aliens to out beat Hal. Upgrade alone could cause trouble for Hal since he and Megawatt can tamper with the ring. The ring is alien tech so why wouldn't an alien like upgrade be able to meet with it. Or even lobstar( think I got the name wrong) was able to pull apart technology from 25th dimension. Technology mind you that was on the same level as the omnitrix which was the most advance thing in Ben's universe
The animation isnt canon with the actual fight so if I was going to guess how green lantern could've won, I would say dismantling the watch with his ring. I'm pretty sure the creator of the omnitrix has taken out the center piece of his watch before, making it unusable.
For those saying ben prime was dead when the sotobro effect was mentioned keep in mind no watch Ben did state that he was capable of sensing the sotobro effect instantly after turning into clockwork so Ben prime should be able to sense the sotobro effect too as either clockwork or alien x even though Ben prime has never heard of the sotobro effect either serena and belecus should be able to know what the sotobro effect is sense they exist out of the ordinary flow of time and Ben himself has time travels more than once in his life so he knows about time traveling
You just contradicted yourself. *"No Watch Ben sensed the Sotobro Effect after turning into Clockwork."* So was Ben Prime turned into Clockwork at the time? No? Then he couldn't sense the Sotobro Effect. Not even as Alien X. Remember, Ben gained control of Alien X by cutting out Belacus and Serena. As a result, he lost their knowledge, experience, imagination and even their portions of power. Remember in the episode Universe Vs Tennyson? *"A little help here?"* Ben has NEVER time traveled on his own. Alien X might reverse time a bit, but he needs the full agreement of all three. Good luck doing that Ben. Serena even stated as such. *"Alien X can do MANY things. We just need to ALL agree."* So Ben couldn't even re-make the universe without Belacus and Serena's help. Ben lost. Accept it.
@@AnimeaddictionBen loses access to their knowledge and experiences, sure, but Ben is incredibly imaginative in his own right, which is displayed literally right after he asks for help (which is not indicative of power requests, mind you, but of suggestions for ideas on how to confront another member of their species) when he within seconds realizes that the ultimate weakness of a Celestialsapien is having to process situations to act upon them. At no point is it said that he needs all 3 to agree to have full power over Alien X, and you're just pulling the time travel bit out of nowhere. In the episode after Ben is given full control over Alien X, he's shown to immediately be able to act fluidly and without deliberation, showing he has total control as long as Serena and Bellicus don't revoke their permission to him (which they won't if it actually comes down to fighting a potential threat to their existence). Alien X himself exists outside of time and space despite being able to act upon it, shown by his actions occurring within the universe proper. Nevertheless he outright is able to move in a timeless void later on, showing that he has infinite speed and movement capabilities. That line you picked for your last point is *before* Ben convinces the personalities to transfer control of Alien X to him when he's using the form. Ben worked with them to recreate everything because at that point he'd not secured their passive acceptance of his actions yet. No power comes from Serana or Bellicus in of themselves, or else Aggreggor would have nothing to gain from absorbing an infant Celestialsapien. If Ben loses because of a for-entertainment show determining off of cherrypicked data and feats that determines that Hal can defeat gods and Ben is just a kid with a dumb watch, then anyone can write a story where Hal loses and it'll be equally if not more valid depending on the information they use.
@alpacalover0 If Ben could use Alien X to travel through time, don't you think he would have used him by now? Don't confuse time travel with time reversal. Time reversal only allows Alien X to pull back to a certain point. Furthermore, the only time he ever did that was in its first appearance, and even then, he needed agreement. "Water stopping motion, seconded. Water stopping motion carried." The only things Ben did with Alien X were no different than what he did with his other aliens. Gravity and telekinesis? Gravattack. Duplication? Ditto. Black hole? Again, Gravattack. You look me in the eye and convince me that Ben had the imagination to re-create the universe. Alien X does not exist outside of time and space. The Forge of Creation and all universes exist in the black space. Time still functioned there. If it didn't, then Prof. Paradox wouldn't be able to function. When the Annihilarrg destroyed the universe, there was nothing but a black void. Time still existed. So why didn't Alien X just rewind time back to before the destruction. Answer, HE couldn't. Belacus even stated it was TOO LATE. I'm not assuming anything. You are.
@@Animeaddiction Time reversal isn't bound by consensus any more than movement or any other action Alien X takes is. He needs their permission to even de-transform initially, and once he's given control over the form, he's seen to do that and anything else he desires with relative ease. It's always a matter of permission, and we see that he retains their permission to act when in a later episode he uses Alien X freely and can move fluidly without the need to deliberate. If he has the power, that's it, he can do anything he can conceptualize. Also, when is Time Travel stated to be impossible for Alien X? We see devices like the Time Cycles used to travel both throughout time and *outside* of time, as they're able to travel to before the Universe is made (if the logic you used for black space representing the existence of time is correct, then this white void naturally would imply a lack of time, yet things are still able to happen there). Even Chronosapiens can travel throughout time and reverse its effects. Are you going to tell me that a reality warper can only ever do what they're shown explicitly to do on screen? What would be the specifics of this, would he not even be able to use attacks in a different context than he was shown doing it by this logic? Ben is shown to never engage in actions that are needless or overboard and instead to operate within the bounds of what matches the situation. This is why he doesn't just go Way Big all the time and smoosh anyone he fights. Yes, most of his actions as Alien X have been done before by other aliens. Perhaps this is a failing of creativity either on Ben or the writers' part, or this is simply because Ben has far too many aliens and has used too many powers over the series for something to have gone undone prior. Alien X fights like a reality warper would, shifting and altering things at will rapidly in order to guarantee his enemies are thrown off balance. Ben not doing some fancy new trick (although arguably creating a vortex that sucks in the Gladiator is somewhat original even if it involves Gravity Manipulation and resembles making a black hole (something he did in a *later* episode as Gravattack, mind you)) doesn't mean he can't do it, just that he didn't want or need to. Recreating the universe would be, like you said, time reversal. Time reversal is something he can do in a selective area or overall. If a natural, peak Chronosapien can un-erase INFINITE universes, then there's no reason a Celestialsapien, who's said time and time again by extremely intelligent and knowledgeable beings like Professor Paradox, Azmuth, and even Serena to be functionally omnipotent (the first using the term omnipotent to describe Aggregor if he acquires a Celestialsapien without personalities, the second claimed they could do anything, and the third implied consensus was all that was needed to do effectively anything (although logic violation seems to be an exception I'll get into shortly)) would be unable to do the same. The erasure of Infinite-1 universes by the Chronosapien Time Bomb was able to be reversed as a temporal event, but Alien X couldn't reverse the Annihilargh erasing everything because there was simply no time left to work with. Are you suggesting the "most powerful being in the universe" (-Serana) who "can do anything" (-Azmuth) and is "omnipotent" (-Professor Paradox)...can't roll back a temporal event? When Ben asks if they can do anything, Bellicus and Serana say that the universe no longer exists, which is the reason for their inability to merely go back a few seconds. There are no seconds to go back, while the Chronosapien Time Bomb was fired within an existent timeline which still had functioning linear time and could be reverted from within the universe itself. Just because Ben lacked Serana and Bellicus' shared knowledge of the state of the universe at the time doesn't mean he couldn't remake it if a motion passed to imbue him with the knowledge for it. I don't have it on me currently, but in the Alien X video the Ink Tank did there is a segment with author statements I believe was in the Man of Action part where it was stated that omniscience isn't allowed to Celestialsapiens due to the regulations they set for one another and themselves, so this failing to perceive everything on Ben's part is merely due to Bellicus and Serana having to do it for him (before he actually gets their permission to operate on his own) and opting to make a few adjustments to spite his lack of usage of Alien X.
@@alpacalover0 Again, by cutting off Belacus and Serena, Ben no longer has their imagination or knowledge. What is the Power Ring based on? IMAGINATION AND KNOWLEDGE. Hal has been pro-trained. Ben hasn't.
@@esteban8471 nah, I mean yeah hal is strong but people just high ball him way too much... The only feat people know about X is recreating a universe while X has multiple more powerful feats which contains holding Infinity I don't even get how people dare say green lantern beats Ben when they haven't even watched the show or have done some research, I have read the GL comics so I am not being biased or something I can even prove you that Ben>>> GL
@@kaihiwatari3390 I've watched every single Ben 10 cartoon minus the reboot and have never touched a single GL comic. I honestly don't see Ben winning, even with Alien X. There's even a prediction blog that had over half a dozen people do research on both Ben and Hal, and predict who was gonna win. Not a single person on that blog voted for Ben.
@@esteban8471 I simply suspect the people there did no research, I literally have reasons as to why GL loses and even proved it to hardcore gl fans.. I mean you tell me, what does GL has to throw at Ben?? Also, I ain't believing a poll and stuff, proper research is what I want
Even though I've never watched it, I knew from the title Ben would've win. While Hal is proficient with the ring's power, Ben had years of experience of each of his aliens and the Omnitrix. Even though Hal can go back in time, Clockwork and Alien X can do the same thing, especially since Clockwork once reversed a cosmic level destruction. While Hal can make anything, Ben's faster at transforming once the Master Control is active. Ben has over a million different ways to counter and overpower Hal. But no, we got Hal winning.
Death Battle didn’t go deep into the Ben 10 lore and power scale all aliens. They severely underestimated Alien X and his Nigh Omnipotent power scale and lowballed him to Universal + but in reality he’s actually at Complex Multiversal level. They made him 10 years old and held the Omnitrix he no longer used and simply misunderstood the failsafe. If they look back at the Ben 10 series finale with the Contemelila episode they’ve shown that with the Offical Omnitrix, Ben can’t die at all. Hal and his corps only killed Hyperversal being because Cosmic Armor Superman and the Miracle Machine had helped by severely weakened him. So technically Hal is nowhere near Nigh Omnipotent and Nigh Omniscient like Celestialsapiens. Once Ben transforms into Alien X it’s all over and not even a contest. Ben would simply exceed Hal in every single way.
Ben has never gone back in time with his aliens. Clockwork removed the Sotobro Effect of the Chronosapien Time Bomb, he literally states this. The Big Bang is slower than Alien X, who is slower than Green Lantern. Hal is the one who is countering Ben a million different ways, from overpowering, outspeeding, outlasting and having far more abilities at his disposal at once.
I honestly thought that the fight was going to be similar to thanos vs darkseid. Throwing worlds, altering reality itself, a battle that spans the multiverse as if it was a death waltz. you know, typical "top dog combat" stuff.
@@alexrodriguez7389 no he isn't lol. That's just hype by some youtuber. Alien X is at most medium tier reality warper. His striking feats are just sad. A battle between two celestialsapiens only destroyed a few planets. Alien X would def lose to green lantern
V i d e o s #2 ah yes because he totally didn’t create a new universe in a matter of seconds.And of course he also didn’t create a galaxy sized black hole.And obviously he didn’t tank a universe destroying bomb and didn’t even flinch.Sure buddy keep dreaming.
I am a green lantern fan but Ben is literally a thing that can't die even he wanted to. until omnitrix was taken off by himself I agree that Ben 10 wins. What if he used ultimate alien x
@@oceanhutchings4266 The same can be said for Ben 10. They didn't use his strongest version either. And even then, it's been stated that Alien X isn't even the most powerful alien in the Omnitrix.
@@Gabriel-oq8gs still doesnt matter cause even if they used strongest version of ben and combine him with everything he still couldnt touch God of Light Hal Jordan he is almost Omnipresent, almost Omnipotent and i can send u details and his comic
@@oceanhutchings4266 Doesn't matter if they used god of light hal, ben would still easily overpower him with alien X since its basically on another plane of existence
@@madjax3319 what existence? alien x isnt even omnipresent or omnipotent almost and if u watch ben 10 even alien x races can lose in a fight they are not omnipotent i have proof while u dont.... GL
Please, There's more than Alien X. The turtle would have lost if Death Battle had done her job right, but now I'm beginning to think that their battles are programmed even before, and that they're getting paid to make a character win.
That one time Hal traveled through time, he only traveled to the future and lost his memories because of it. Also that was pre-crisis, and it isn’t something Hal can just do. The more powerful things the ring can do often require extreme focus for example healing. Before Simon Baz it was stated to be impossible for someone to heal with the green ring, but with enough focus and will he did it.
This is what I'm talking about. Death battle literally just takes everything from any Canon and throws it onto superhero characters ignoring the fact that they are two very different characters.
There have been multiple instances of GL time travel. He time traveled to the year of 5707. He was able to rip a hole to 100,000,000 years ago. He can send others to different times and even his power beams to other times. He power-beamed both Flash and Reverse Flash through time. Hal can also disrupt the flow of time. Even on verge of death, he was able to stretch a nanosecond into eternity (1) (2). He was able to freeze time up to a thousand miles from a planet and was competitive with Parallax Hal who was a casual time-freezer. Besides that Green Lanterns can create time as well. Hal created "chronal energy" and time. A flash of his consciousness was able to disrupt a time null zone. He was perfectly fine in a stasis field where time did not move. Green Lanterns can also destroy time. When the Time Trapper got a Green Lantern ring he destroyed all possible futures of Earth-1.
Most people seem to forget that when Ben turned into echo echo he split into three and had each turned back to human and had each went about the day each having it's own omatrix and able to turn into different aliens at the same time
It's funny but the one thing that always bugged me about this video wasn't the fight itself but the reason behind it. Green Lanterns are peacekeepers across the galaxy, true, but ultimately they're a private police force run by the Guardians. Meanwhile, Ben is actually an officer in the Plumbers and, if I remember right, a surprisingly high ranking one at least for Earth and the Plumbers do have legal standing on Earth while the Green Lanterns legal standing on Earth is variable at best. Therefore, a non-legitimate LEO attacked an actual LEO with the intent to steal. The Plumbers would not take this very well, especially as while the Guardians are implied to be all but omniscient or some such, everyone still regards Azmuth as the smartest being in multiple galaxies including the one the Guardians live in - and they're stealing his property.
Someone write a fanfic of Hal getting into deep shit for not only killing one of the universe’s most important protectors but also stealing one of the most powerful devices among 5 of 7 galaxies because Hal’s a moron.
Also, the pulled out Alien X way to early, just imagine all the other fights they could have had with other aliens. (I now they have a graphics budget but they made expensive fights before). And I know it's a bit cheap but as Rooster Teeth, I think their favoritism to DC came into play again, I watch Hal Jordan stuff to but even I think that's excessive.
Ya Rooster Teeth also are run by piles of shit that most likey barely give them enough budget to do how they want to. Remeber as soon as rooster teeth got ahold of ScrewAttack they lost everything but DeathBattle
Well, I wouldn't say that they favor DC over everyone else. After all, some of their death battles have shown the DC characters losing their fights. I just think that, for this one, they just lacked the research and sources.
All ben literally has to do is switch to brainstorm at the start of the fight, and then there is literally no way he cant come up with a way to win, the best option probably being upgrade.
A.O.T.L Tng Yeah. That’s why I couldn’t finish watching the “Garra vs Toph” debunked episode on RU-vid. It was so disrespectful and offensive I didn’t bother to find out how it was false. Pretty sure it was made by someone else.
"Alien x has never show any kind of defenses against the same kind of things that hail can replicate, like mind control, transmutation and time manipulation" *Uses a clip where alien x is going to use time control*
NO, controlling time is VERY different from resisting time. On paper backed up by on-screen, they might be right about the last thing. Since Alien X HAS never shown to resist time effects (nothing in Ben 10 has suggested that the Celestialsapiens can resist time manipulation) before, this would obviously mean that he could not resist against GL's time manipulation.
I wanna point out that the omnitrix didn't even need to transform ben into something that can have its arm not cut off, they literally only would need to trigger a transformation where the omnitrix isn't in the arm (most transformations nowadays), then a Ben with a missing arm and master control can still quickly swap into alien X to restore the mutilated arm.
or just back to ben as the watch works on host dna and not physical condition, so an alien could loose a limb and he'd turn back to ben but still have it.
Honestly stuff like the Omnitrix should be banned from battles forever. It's one of the most broken items in all tv history. Even if it doesn't contain an alien capable of defeating an enemy it can just protect Ben itself. How do you defeat Ben?
@@Aaroncarter95 outsmart him in a personal relationship way and make him doubt his life, making him willingly give up the watch. so basically the same way hal looses his powers :D
Except he does a terrible job of actually debunking it, he mainly focuses on the animation, which people know isn’t supposed to be a simulation, and his defense against that was super weak. He claims DB composited Hal, yet Hal wasn’t affected by the Crisis, unlike Superman and co.
Stale Memes actually he made a follow up video explaining why the animation does matter.He says that the main reason death battle is so popular is because of their animated fights and people wanting to see an accurate representation of two characters if they were to meet.
- Both Hal and Alien X have survived their respective ret-cons (Crisis and the Anialargh). Hal has stupid will power but so does Ben. They both have super intelligent AI's attached to their bodies. They both can travel faster than light. They both have incredibly versatile weapons. So Alien X trying to wipe Hal out of existence would inconvenience Hal because the ring would have to separate him from the timeline. Meanwhile, Hal going back and killing Ben before he transformed would have no effect on future battle Ben so long as he remained Alien X because Alien X is a timeless being that is separated from the universe's timeline. The battle would continue with both of those things being undone. - They are evenly matched with respect to the extent of their abilities because Hal has fought Multidimensional beings and won, but so has Ben. - It all comes down to 1 factor: the equipment that gives them their power and the state that it's in. Given the setup of the death battle, Ben had master control and Hal had a fully charged ring. Ben's power is limitless while Hal is on an energy limit. So that's in Ben's favor. Hal would have to convince Ben to stand down and remove the Omnitrix to win like Vilgax and Kevin VS Master Control Ben, which given the alterations that death battle makes to their personalities and that it's strictly 1V1, is unlikely. Ultimately the battle would continue until Hal's ring ran out of power. Ben would win because of that Achilles Heel. - There are other factors that I don't take into account, like the Omnitrix's ability to restore Ben's damaged body VS Hal not having any sort of healing abilities, or Hal's required concentration to keep a projection going (echo echo or the dream fairy anyone?). - I think their decision was based on what fandom they wanted to piss off more with the victory. If Ben won they'd have DC stans down their assess, which are admittedly far greater in number than Ben 10 stans.
@@thesabre8458 Rook didn't survive the Detonation. It wiped everything completely, save for Alien X. In any case, Hal couldn't survive in a true void either, given there's no planes for him to exist on. So that would be an arbitrary argument. The ring might try to make a plane but it would consume all of it's power trying, and he'd die when the projection faded. Meanwhile Alien X's body is seemingly separated from his consciousness (I site the "Shared Alien X" thing, given that there is only one Alien X in the multiverse and all of the Bens share him simultaneously. This indicates the ability to be in multiple places at once, preserving his body and mind. If his body were to "die" from the absence of a plane to exist on, he'd have a body somewhere else to keep his consciousness). The point is, so long as Ben remains Alien X, Hal is going to have to be more creative than cutting Ben's arm off.
You are literally the next thing i watched after that death battle, thank god i was correct about the battle being way off, thanks to your previous videos of course. Redo pls
It totally is way off . I love ,and i mea love green lantern . I have comics , figurines and a tshirt of him but he's not a deity , that's what makes him who he is. Alien x is
This is for those green lantern fans who thinks Alien x is only universal 🤣 -Alien x destroyed a 5D Barrier ezly low complex multiversal feat -Alien x born in a place which is beyond space and time, forge of creation is beyond all time. -Alien X can do the same thing that map of infinity can do which is 17D -Alien X changed the art style of the show and the show's cosmology is at the least 26D Basically Alien x is hyperversal
Hyperversal?? Nah Universal?? Yes And How alien x is High Hyperversal? Cus you can't replied me yet cus you just got Destroy debating by me and you can't watch this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4gKLQbIojyk.html cus X-tiniction Alien x Rebooted got defeated by all Ben 10 Prime Every Entire Universe Alternative as that you still call that Hyperversal by seeing him lose against To a Weakest Alien
Not just that, alien x recreated map of infinity with simple thought, Its 17D object and duncan stated that this 17 Dimensional, is higher dimension Some lowballers say recreating doesn't mean he above it, So recreating universe is not universal feat according to them Contumelia was surprised by Celestialsapiens dna-based, not everyone know about Celestialsapiens Not even some extra Dimensional being like them. Alien x recreated null void which it's extra Dimensional realm Lowballers always and always say recreating doesn't mean he above it
Gotta love it when these debunk vids use DB's own words against them. TBH I haven't watched any of the new Ben 10..the artstyle is just..bleh to me..and I only watched bits and pieces of the previous Ben 10..the OG version was my favorite especially when they showed Ben 10,000 and future Gwen. But just HEARING what all they said about Ben 10 and Alien X, and having seen a few of Ink Tanks Ben 10 vids under his previous name..I knew they screwed the pooch on this battle..and damn near every Ben10 fan knew it and no matter what the DC fans kept trying to refute it while knowing little to nothing about Ben 10..hell a DC fan and Fan of GL SPECIFICALLY mentioned even HE knew Hal should have lost this battle.
To say GL won via time travel is literally stupid Alien X could Time Travel aswell and would stop GL from cutting off the Omnitrix from Ben's arm And even If GL did cut off Ben's arm,the Omnitrix would just re attach itself to Ben and make him transform into Alien X and erase Hal from existence
Once his arm was off, it was over. And no, he needs to manually acitvate it. Once it's not connected to Ben, it's powerless, as they said in a footnote, Vilgax tried doing that several times, and he would know its weaknesses.
@@corjonbett then you forgot that the Omnitrix AI can take over the arm if separated. They had a freaking episode revolving that! Even with the arm torn off, the Omnitrix's still able to work
Wow I am SUPER late but ummm..... Ben Should Lose to Hal. You see in the way Death Battle with it's information, yeah Ben Wins. But if you actually research more about Hal and stuff. Then yeah Hal should Beat Ben
@@Crimsonnavyking and Ben can't die, and I am using their stupid logic, "he wins because I say so" with that. Ben may be able to possess him for a short amount of time, but how long is subjective. He could possess him for even a few seconds and learn whatever he can about the ring, or he would be bounced away through sheer force of the ring. That's the kind of stuff Ben would try to stop an enemy this strong. Either way Deathbattle is dumb
Gemini Death Battle’s research has always been wrong when compared to actual professional researchers like Kuro the Artist, Seth the Programmer, and Just a Robot.
Leonis Yggdrasil you’re mistaking Kuro the Artist with Death Battle because Death Battle are the people that say Superman and Green Lantern always wins a fight because they’re Superman and Green Lantern whereas Kuro the Artist gives out sound and logical reasons as to why Ben 10 would win against Green Lantern.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr not really lol. "Ben 10 beats Goku, because Ben 10 can become a saiyan and go super saiyan, and beat Goku easily" shows what i'm saying is 100% true. He doesn't care about facts in the end, just says Ben 10 wins because he is Ben 10
Nope DC is just way more massive in terms of cosmology. Honestly putting any cosmic being in DC against another from a different verse and it’s never fair because the cosmic structures in DC are just that massive and had decades to get even bigger.
@@Sword_Man_YT I know on both accounts. And given Ben's various weaknesses and how OP Hal and Flash are portrayed as in the comics in both power and speed, I still stand by my point.
@@comicking428 He was reffering to the fact clockwork has similar abilities to comic book zoom who Wally West(The fastest Flash) needed to steal the speed from multiple speedsters to even get close to his level.
I don't think they forgot, I have a feeling that Death Battle knew that most of their fans were either fans of DC or Marvel, so they overlooked the failsafe to please them.
@@mutao7240 I love Marvel but like I've loved Ben since before I knew what Marvel was. It sucks but not gonna go crazy over it. Still gives me the big sad tho
It’s crazy how you sat here and really talked about it, not yell at how they got something wrong. You brought up feats, and actual statements that back up what you say. Amazing video and honestly a new subscriber
@Luqmaan cassiem he is biased about Ben 10? Bitch please... You are Salty and biased about green lantern... Sorry to dissapoint you, but all of the feats presented by him are true and Ben using master controll can be using all of his aliens for an unlimited amuont of time, alongside that alien x can litteraly do anything, while green lantern is a human with a ring that can easily be taken off, not to mention he Has to recharge it
The thing about omnitrix overuse harming your DNA comes from the Feedback Arc, the Omniverse scene where Ben locks himself as some toad thing for 6 months, and the first battle with Albedo. These all imply together that misuse of the omnitrix and its transformations puts strain on Ben and will eventually effect his ability to transform normally.
Technically no since it doesn't harm the user or kill them from blood loss it's something like energy seperating the 2 instead of just trying to kill Ben it didn't so the omnitrix did nothing until later in the episode we found out the omnitrix was controlling Ben's hand and made sure he got to someone Ben trusted, like juile then also showed that even though ben didn't touch the watch it can still be used for what it needs to be used for and that's to transform
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