Quick heads-up, I don't know nearly as much about Green Lantern as I do about Ben 10 - so with that aside, I'd like to respond to a few of your statements: *>"Hal went back in time first, so Ben wouldn't get the chance to go back with him"* I don't know the activation period of Hal's time travel powers (and iirc it's only a specific version of him that can do that), but I doubt it's instantaneous. This should give Ben ample time to sense his intentions via the Sotobro Effect and then quickly go to travel back with him. *>"Hal can knock out Ben by just simply suffocating him"* I find this argument of yours strange since you acknowledged seconds before that Ben's Omnitrix can immediately transform him into the alien he needs to survive. If Hal tries to knock out Ben, the Omnitrix would transform him into someone that can withstand the suffocation or just flat-out break out of Hal's constructs, like Alien X. *>"They're downplaying Hal."* Maybe to some degree, since you know more about his feats than I do - but to me, if anything, they wanked him by compositing all of his versions into what he was in the Death Battle fight. They even used some feats that weren't even performed by Hal himself and making false equivalents to him by using other characters - and didn't do the same for Ben. *>"Just because the Omnitrix won't let you die, doesn't mean it can always stop you from dying."* ... very contradictory statement. Your main reason for saying that is because Hal's ring is supposed to protect him from death, and it wasn't able to do so somewhere, then Ben's Omnitrix would suffer from the same flaw, completely ignoring that they're not the same device. So even if the ring's failsafes can be bypassed, doesn't mean the Omnitrix would suffer from the same thing. It undoubtedly *could* should the writers choose to, but this has yet to be shown in canon - as the only time Ben has died was when he got disintegrated by a time bomb, and he gave up his Omnitrix to one of his timeline counterparts before the failsafe could kick in for him. *>"It's Death Battle, they have to be entertaining."* Of course, and I'm fine with Alien X doing a bit of melee fighting since he's shown this in an episode once. But not to the point where it downplays or ignores how a character would actually fight in-character. Alien X perfectly could've done way more, and has been shown doing way more in the show, but the animators chose not to for whatever reason. And they still could've done it in a way that would've been entertaining, such as creating a Black Hole and then have Hal escaping it to counter-attack or something. *>"Alien X was erasing Hal slowly because that was how they chose to do it."* Irrelevant point, because it deliberately downplays how Alien X erases people. No matter if it's for entertainment or animation, they have to respect the actual feats of the character. Alien X simply does not erase people that slowly. As said by Kevin in an Ultimate Alien episode: "They could just blink, and we'd be gone". If you want to argue back with "How would the fight have continued, then?", I have an easy answer to that: It wouldn't. Death Battle just chose an easy cop-out that didn't respect the speed of Alien X's Existence Erasure just so they could keep the fight going. The best thing to have done in that situation without changing the result of the battle was to not have animated the erasure at all. Even if Hal can resist Existence Erasure, he needs to show that he also has the speed to be able to activate that resistance before the erasure gets to him - which, again, is instantaneous. *>"Hal's bubble should work against Alien X."* Maybe so, but it is very inconsistent to have him struggle to break Hal's bubble when Four Arms, a far lesser transformation, could do it moments prior in the same battle. The guy you're reacting to isn't saying it was wrong in that sense, he was saying it was wrong in a consistency sense. *>"If Ben's Omnitrix can't time out due to the Master Control, what makes you think Hal's ring can't do the same?"* Possibly the biggest false equivalence you've made yet. What makes us think that Hal's ring can't do the same is because, at least to my knowledge, it hasn't been shown that Hal's ring is capable of doing that. So ergo, it's not possible. From all of the media I've seen with Hal in it, he always needs to charge his ring at some points to keep it fully powered. If Hal's Ring truly is capable of being infinitely charged somehow, don't you think Hal would've already been doing that? The main difference here is that whilst it's been SHOWN that Ben's Omnitrix cannot time out under Master Control, Hal's ring has NOT SHOWN that it can remain infinitely charged like the Omnitrix can. *>"Hal fights by countering what others do, so Ben isn't leading the battle."* Except he is? It doesn't matter if Hal fights defensively and relies on countering his enemies, it would still mean that Ben is leading the battle by taking the initative to launch attacks at him first. *>"Jetray cannot cross the universe in an hour."* You're denying this based on nothing. It's like you said, but in reverse - "you're good with Green Lantern, but you don't know that much about Ben 10". Jetray is Massively Faster than Light when flying, as he is able to go into hyperspace. *>"Just cut Ben's oxygen off, and Hal will win."* Not really. Ben has several transformations that can survive in Zero Atmosphere, and again - the Omnitrix will transform him to any of those should he be forced into space in a form that cannot breathe there. In fact, I think most of his aliens can breathe in space - the only one that I can think of that can't would be Ripjaws, as he requires water rather than oxygen. Anyway, I'm not here to debate who would win - I just wanted to correct you on a few things since I don't really like misinformation.
Also Death Battle failed to realize that killing Past Ben is pointless as Present Ben as Alien X would continue to exist as Celestialsapiens exist outside of time and space as confirmed by one of Man of Action; Duncan Rouleau. He also said that there’s not multiple versions one Alien X’s. Each Alien X is still the one and only Ben Tennyson and not some type of clone or alternate counterpart. This means that Ben can exist at every single point and time simultaneously with one united consciousness. Alien X can duplicate himself and spread all of his beings across the timelines from the very beginning to the very end and across all universes and dimensions so that Hal can’t retreat from the battle so it would inevitable for Hal to die. Alien X is both Nigh Omnipotent on Complex Multiversal scale and a 5th Dimensional Being exist outside of time and space, immortal and immune to being erased. Hal may be immune to erasure but not to death as he’s still mortal.
12:21 You can be first to travel through time, but in theory you would be there at the same time. There is no first when time travel, so alien x will be where/when green lantern is
About your statement about “time travelled first” Say Hal travels back to 23rd Nov 1963 at 6.16 pm Alien X is following but arrives at 5.16 pm (1 hour earlier) Alien X has beaten Hal to get to that point in time so Ben as Alien X wins that time chase
Even when theres literly proof in youre face youre still making things up such as the whole green lantern master control thing like have you ever seen a green lantern with master control?
Lantern rings are extremely powerful, but even if a lantern ring (green) was the entire power of the universe combined and condensed, it still wouldn't be strong enough to beat alien x. Alien X has taking taken a direct universe wiping attack in front of him and was unaffected. Hal would beat bens other forms tho; maybe except clockwork.
Also with the time travel thing Alien X can sense it before it happens therefore can travel with him the exact time he does or if he wanted to even before, thats how quick he is.
And that’s called Sotobro Effect. A ripple in a time stream created that can sensed by time manipulators and Nigh Omnipotent beings like Clockwork and Alien X. And Hal failed to realize that Celestialsapiens exists outside of both time and space and there’s not multiple different versions of Alien X’s. Each Alien X is still the one and only Ben Tennyson and not some type of clone or alternative counterpart. Therefore Alien X can’t and won’t die regardless if his Past self is killed as his Present self would continue to exist. So realistically and logically this battle would be a draw. But the fact Death Battle let that slip by this is just awful. Their obsession of having DC keep their wining streak clouds their judgment.
I don't think ben can beat anybody considering he has been defeated in his own show. But any single version of Hal that isn't a composite version can't stand up to ben considering upgrade can take over and dismantal a green lantern ring. The ring is advanced but is based completely on technology.
I fully disagree. While yes, the ring is technology, you'd need to know such a thing. Chances are he wouldn't get the chance to figure it out. Secondly, he doesn't need to be composite. They downplay a LOT of stuff in comics. A lantern ring is one of the most powerful weapons in existence for a reason. You can make up anything you have at least some sort of understanding of. I already outlined how a ring user can make it so their ring doesn't run out of power.
@@kingswayentertainment1548 ben has both grey matter and brainstorm who can tell when something is technological in nature and chromastone's ability to absorb many different energies such as light constructs.
@@devinsteele2424 I'm aware of those aliens. I'm a fan of the series and I stand by what I said. Having a plan is one thing, but being able to execute it is another. On top of that, a lantern ring can do more than just create light constructs. It can create lightning, sonic attacks, fire and the like. A lantern ring has all of the abilities of the Omnitrix without having to shift.
@@kingswayentertainment1548 I'm glad i was wrong about you from seeing your earlier videos on the ink tank. A lot of people just can't have a genuine discussion and I hope your channel and others like it can grow and put this mindset out there
@@devinsteele2424 Thanks A Lot. And I think a lot of people get the wrong impression about me like that. Like I keep saying, I'm a fan, but the guy literally has a video called Ben 10 Can beat anyone. I disagree with that. But when you disagree with a fandom, you do poke a hornet's nest of sorts. That, I wasn't aware of when I made the first videos. Thanks again.
Alien X is Nigh Omnipotent at Complex Multiversal scale and a 5th Dimensional Being so it’s legitimately not even a contest. Ben would simply exceed Hal in every single way. Alien X and Celestialsapiens can manipulate the entire Omniverse at will. Art style, voices and even continuity itself. Also Celestialsapiens are more than capable of sensing the Sotobro Effect because of their existence and mastery of time manipulation and because of Alien X existing outside of time, he would still be alive and well regardless if Hal went back in time to kill Ben. So in truth, this battle is a draw.
Hal can do all of that as well. Read a comic, or actually take what I'm saying into account. Yeah, the battle is a draw, but Alien X isn't the Be All End All you seem to think it is. Which is what I'm pointing out.
@@kingswayentertainment1548 I did but Ben still has the upper hand. The Omnitrix’s failsafes makes Ben essentially immortal and regardless of how fast Hal is, the Omnitrix will still instantly activate to keep Ben alive even if he’s turned to ashes. And Alien X is confirmed to be both Nigh Omnipotent and a 5th Dimensional Being on complex Multiversal scale by both collabs of Kuro, SethTheProgrammer, Chuck the Cyber and Just a Robot and the Man of Action. Hal and the Green Lanterns struggled to win against 5th Dimensional Beings like Mr. Mxyzptlk and Dr. Manhattan and Alien X’s existence and power are relative or superior to them.
@@calvinkopp1735 Again, I would have to disagree. Those entities that you use as reference points are ALWAYS like that, as opposed to Alien X, which is a transformation that Ben has to turn into. The experience with the powers wouldn't be on the same scale as those two. And the collabs don't mean much to me as they're opinions based off of facts rather than facts themselves. Hence the point of this conversation and the video.
@Artemis Writing. And the Corps are based off of other aspects and emotions. The Green LAntern Corp uses strong Will Power, White for Hope, Red for Rage, so on and etc... He's not fodder. The nerf power scalings according to which writer has the wheel at that time.
@Artemis Ben Tennyson also has plot armor but in much more convincing and real way. He not only uses his transformations to win but also his wits, luck and friends.
this is just a suggestion you could watch ink tanks vid on ben's greatest feats. It's interesting and has more things about his other aliens other than alien x.
Just wanna him dodging lasers was more of a reflex feat than a speed feat Like spider-man can dodge lasers but he very obviously can't move at the speed of light
They alien need to breath, True but Omnitrix provide them equipment to do so, Like Brainstrom legit have mask on it's body for ben to breath, That belt thing.
you know very little about ben you called him multiple alien X's clones when ink tank literally told you a minute later they are not. A lantern is not a omnitrix so stop comparing them. Sorry for the multiple comments. But you should stop comparing things and actually just go off the topic.
Bro started using laws from different verses, in that case u should use dragon ball logic and according to that killing someone in past won't affect present
I use things as a point of commonality. Things that are reflected and hold a point. But that much aside, what you're saying is like the guy that asked why I use real world physics in a fictional verse despite the fact that the verse itself uses real world physics.
@@xinnocentsx3414 Omnipotence has two different definitions and stigmas in fiction. There’s True Omnipotence like the One Above All and the Overmonitor and there’s Omnipotence that can just mean “great power.” Odin’s been stated omnipotent alongside Galactus, Darkseid, Trigon and Super Buu who himself says he wanted to celebrate his “Omnipotence”. Celestialsapiens aren’t invincible and are not omniscient or omnipresent so they never were omnipotent to begin with.