Great presentation. Two things: it’s not “monarchism”, it’s “monarchianism”. There’s several problems with modalism, not just one, and a bigger problem than the one you mentioned is the modalist assertion that God can change. The Father, if he is God, must always be the Father. God is immutable, never changing. He can’t be Father and then the Son and then the Holy Spirit. The Son was ALWAYS the Son, and the Holy Spirit ALWAYS the Holy Spirit.
Whoa. You said that each member of the Trinity are distinct beings. There, you made a mistake. The three persons share the one being that is God. His essence is his singular divine being.
@@PInk77W1 : Yes, I'm familiar with the claim that the Trinity was revealed at a later date. But the question is when and by whom? Can we clearly deduce this from any NT writing? The early Fathers were all subordinationists. And the trinity did not take its final form until after Nicea. So who was the first to teach this or when was it finally revealed? There is no doubt that in the third and fourth centuries many were moving towards this idea, but that in itself does not make it explicitly a NT teaching/doctrine.
@@ewankerr3011 Jesus was the first to teach it. Jesus revealed the Trinity. The Catholic Church can do no other than Jesus did. The church is the mystical bride of Christ. A bride and groom are one.
@@PInk77W1 : Thanks. But where? In Mark 12, Jesus , a Jew, restates the Shema, the cornerstone of Judaism. Where in the NT does Jesus introduce this new teaching about God, that he is three persons but one God. Where does it say that God is one in essence but three in subsistence ? Where in Acts are the Jewish attacks on this heresy and where do we find the Apostles defending the new doctrine. The trouble is that many scholare and reference works, including Catholic works, admit the doctrine is not explicitly taught in the NT.
@@ewankerr3011 If u read Paul’s letters They start out by mentioning The Father The Son The Holy Spirit Not all his letters, but many of them. Jesus said in Mt 28 “Go baptize in the name ( singular ) Of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit ( plural ) Three in one. We know God is one from reason alone. Yet Jesus has revealed that he is God In the flesh. And the love of the Son and the Father is not some little feeling or description. The love between them is the Holy Spirit. No one can understand the Trinity It is a mystery. A mystery is a truth above our nature. That’s why we call it “faith” We can’t understand, but we believe. There are tons of writings on the subject. St Athanasius St Augustine St Thomas Aquinas
in 1 thes 5:23 I am a Spirit soul and body but I am not THREE persons but the revelation is if you can catch it is " Is Jesus in the God head or is the Godhead in Jesus Bodily"? The answer is the Godhead is in Jesus according to Colosians 2. Oh yeah and history proves the early Christians were oneness believers but the wish is the thought u. I will stick with the testimony of the 10 commandments that you shall have no other gods before me mot Us Exodus 20
So God is like you? Way to go with bringing God down to your level. Besides that, Jesus says the Father is IN him and that He is IN the Father John 14:11. You are simply mistranslating Colossians 2:9. Colossians was written to oppose heresy that Jesus did not really come in the flesh and Paul answers specifically with verses like 2:9. You are pouring a modern modalist concept.
Your explanation of a modalistic God not being trustworthy is a very faulty idea. God does not change his nature merely the way he relates to us. This is found throughout the Old testament in the different names of Yahweh. Certainly you don't think because God relates to his people as Jehovah jireh then Jehovah nissi he is an untrustworthy God. It is merely a different way how the same God relates to us in the economy of salvation.
I need to reformulate what I said above. God does not change the way he relates to us but another way of how God relates to us has been discovered or understood.
This guy is both hilarious and ill-informed. I am a Oneness Modalist believer. None of us ever uses the “mask” analogy to explain the Godhead. That’s utter nonsense.
How do you understand the Modalist system regarding God? I'm a Monarchy Theory guy in some places, and also find his use of terms to be quite misinformed.
It's called an analogy. For you, the Father becomes the Son and plays to roles, the Son has not always been in your view. The issue is the bible never says the Father is begotten.
