An Introduction to Messer

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An introduction to the weapon, with Oskar Ter Mors of AMEK. The Messer is a bladed weapon varying in size between a large knife and a heavy sword.
Oskar guides us through the form, concentrating on the treatise of Kunst des Messerfechtens ('The Art of Messer Fencing') by Johannes Lecküchner.
With thanks to wiktenauer.com for kind permission to use pages from the treatises.

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10 сен 2024

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@CallofWar5 6 лет назад

One thing that has been real helpful in using Lekuchner's text is just adapting all of Liechtenauer's philosophy and techniques. It is a continuation of the same tradition and techniques I use in longsword can be adapted to Messer and vice versa. A few differences being that messer play involves a much more frequent use of the thwart strike, and so lends itself to very precise triangular stepping to work angles on your opponent. Winding against the blade can be used to great effect to setup safe strikes just as in longsword. Doesn't work against those who cut around with no regard for feeling but those people can easily be defeated by "chasing" as described in Liechtenauer. Make the effort to be well balanced after every strike to avoid over extending. You will be punished severely. But if you keep your poise you can learn to drive your opponents back with no respite by turning cuts into thrusts straight from the bind and thrusts into cuts.

@Boggsy. 3 года назад

Please excuse me being tardy to the part- but having grown really intrigued by Langes Messers over this last year, this is highly appreciated. I’ve followed Oskar for a while on Instagram at this point, but man is he well suited to long-form content. I think I’m going to have to supplement my in-person meets with some lessons through his Virtual Fechtschule.

@Josh-rs6bj 3 года назад

13:11 "The one with all those numbers and letters that no one ever can remember..." ...I can relate to that

@JRT176 6 лет назад

Awesome video. Does anyone know the original Dutch name for "Nail Knife"? Nagelmes?

@0Felisenus0 6 лет назад

It's called a nagelmes indeed. I would have to look up again which cities outlawed the nagelmes and which others called it a langmes, but it's there at least. :)

@VanDiemenStageGladiators 6 лет назад

For some reason the movement from Vom Tag [?] to Ochs [right ox?] reminds me of George Silver's transition between Open Fight and True Guardant (Hanging Guard). This raises a question; how did later dussack differ from earlier messer? The later dussacks had more complex hilts (or indeed a full basket) including a thumbring, but I've noticed with cutting weapons that have more complex hilts that the weilder's hand tends to creep forward.

@0Felisenus0 6 лет назад

They do. Quite a lot of what any 15th century messer manuscript will teach you is how to position your hands to be as safe as possible.

@VanDiemenStageGladiators 6 лет назад

Cool, thank for that! :D

@Quickr86 6 лет назад

Do we know for sure, when do langes messers appear in everyday use? It's a common 15th. c. onward weapon. Are there any earlier examples, from 14th. c.?

@0Felisenus0 6 лет назад

Falchions have been around quite some time longer of course, but if we're talking about messers with their knife-like hilt construction, the answer is a bit more difficult. Unfortunately I don't know for sure, but pretty much all extant examples I know of are 15th century or later. Same goes for fencing treatises and pictorial evidence. There are some examples that could date to the late 14th century, maybe. So probably no, although I would like to be proven wrong here. ;)

@Quickr86 6 лет назад

Thx for the answer Oskar! :) Isn't there a late, turn of a century (14 to 15) manuscript mentioning messer fencing? Can't remember the name tho :( I remember it's has a mix of weapons in it with a couple of pages dedicated to messer. If i remember it's dated somewhere around 1400-1405.

@0Felisenus0 6 лет назад

Well, there's the Nürnberger Hausbuch ms. 3227a, which is often dated to 1389, but this dating is , as far as I could gather, highly unsure. Would this the one you're referring to?