Anakin Speaks to Kylo 

Yeah

This has bothered me since I saw TFA in theatres

He knew that he just was convinced that was vaders fall it’s really obvious he always knew about anakins redemption and that being Vaders death

Kylo knows that vader redeemed himself, however kylo views it as a weakness. Pretty sure snoke told him if vader didn’t succumb to his emotions he would’ve destroyed Luke and the empire wouldn’t of fallen.

@@Capybara2240 but that still doesn’t explain why Anakin never showed up to speak to Kylo himself

RIP Anakin Skywalker, Child of the Light

Yeah

Except for Rey, because of course, a scavenger who’s been on a desert planet for years would be the one who brought that up.

Disney: "Cause shut the fuck up and give us your money."

His name was not even mentioned lmao He had a voice cameo sure. But the name Anakin was never said

They pulled a lame excuse in the Aftermath trilogy that Anakin apparently has a hard time appearing as a force ghost, when he visits Leia he even tells he might never see her again.

He only showed up to say "Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did"...you didn't anymore, buddy.

Man if that was the case the writers wouldn't have the excuse to write the sequel trilogy lol

Anakin should have went Beyond Scared Straight on Kylo’s ass.

they are force ghost, not living people. sidious could barely see yoda when he died, he only saw a glimpse and heard "win, you will not" luke might be the only one that can interact with them

I like to imagine, sometimes, "grandmaster Anakin". Imagine...

Yeah, me too. It seemed surprising. When I watched it the first time, I assumed that Kylo knew and just wanted to be on the dark side. I never put much thought into it.

@@eugenetswong I think Palpatine may have been talking to Ben using Vaders voice to perhaps make him think that Luke killed him rather then Vader turning to save him. The Luke incident could have also lead Ben to believe Luke was lying about turning Vader.

Really? It immediately came to my mind. Before Vader Anakin was known as not only one of the most powerful Jedi, but one of the most kind and connected to the people. He was a legendary hero during the Clone Wars earning the respect, admiration, and friendship of those around him. After his turn to the Dark Side, hardly anyone connected that Vader and Anakin were the same people. Especially with most the order dead and no one seeing his face (which was burnt). Even then, everyone in question referred to Vader as a different person. Its repeatedly said, by Vader himself, that Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker who was too weak and naive. Repeatedly suggesting that Vader was another persona entirely in Anakin that manifested due to the severe trauma and stress of his actions in episode 3. And when Anakin’s old friends mentioned him and Vader, they wouldn’t dare tarnish Anakin’s legacy or character and would continue to refer to Vader as someone separate and hide or gloss over Anakin’s turn to the darkside. And then there’s the redemption in the original trilogy (which is also where Anakin first started to resurface upon learning his and Padme’s children were alive). Like even ignoring the redemption though, I don’t even understand how Kylo Ren got this propaganda story. Like if Luke DIDN’T talk about his father as both a role model and a warning to all his students, then the only way Kylo learned was the first order and Snoke sneaking him the information (someone) which could then immediately be refuted by literally anyone else. And I don’t suspect the rebellion made it public that Luke’s dad was Vader and went from good to evil to good (or actually it would make sense if they did considering Vader saved the day at the expense of his own life (there’s not much controversial when the contriversial subject is dead anyway)).

@@deathpiggy101 That's the TROS retcon though. I doubt it was in effect in the writing process of TFA.

Canonically Jake still had years to do so.

And this is why Luke in the Sequel Trilogy pissed us off so much.

One of the reasons Mark Hamill has said "this isn't my Luke!"

Based on his approach in the Original Trilogy, he would have still reached out and believed that there was good in Ben. I mean, A. He’s Family, B. Luke had a better understanding of what led to the fall of the Jedi, he could have simply sat Ben down, and had a Jedi PTA with Han and Leia, Chewy can attend. They can decide and have Ben aware of the risks, rather than just taking actions out of fear and creating hate, thus leading to the dark side…. Its either that or Grogu became a huge menace after leaving, that he decided it would be best not to give them a choice. But I highly doubt it.

@@carlhayden3610 Luke with Grogu is also super out-of-character, ngl. His whole thing was a refutation of the old way, demonstrably proving it wrong... Only for him to go back to it later? Far as I am concerned, we got one hallway scene in the post six-films era that is on-point with Luke's character.

Is kylo emo or goth?

@@Redeyeclipse Emo definitely, but the difference is really how much make-up and how many belts/laces you wear.

@@BonaparteBardithion True, but also an edgy boy

Okay 👌

personally i've never found teenagers or people with teenager mentality relatable, not even when i was a teenager myself

LMAO True

Not even one of the greatest force users in the franchise can beat bad writers, I'm afraid...

Yeah. Anakin was even established to be a force ghost in the updated trilogy. Though Yoda or Obiwan or luke could have done the same

Mmm no kylo ren sees anakin has his weakness and Vader as his most powerful self

@@vullord666 It would have been funny for every force ghost, from Qui-gon Jinn to Anakin, to be stood there yelling at Kylo/Ben to stop being an angsty teen and get his life together.

Well its a great tactic Its an intresting opinion tied to psygology and makes you intresting without judging something she has an opinion on

Also Anakin: getting shocked, choked, your ass kicked and your cheeks busted on occasion by a very old Sith is not fun .

I like that anakin didn't even say killing the girl is a bad idea, just that he wasn't the person to ask.

@@henrypaleveda7760 well it's rey come on how is killing her a bad idea she's worse than jar jar

Young Anakin: I hate sand. It's rough and course...and it gets everywhere

Kylo isn't Luke's dad and that makes plenty of difference. Age doesn't matter as long as a child and sex ain't in the same subject.

@@damiendingus2539 What

@@darthvader537 WHAT! LOL alright Stone Cold Steve Austin. The difference between being someone's son or someone's father makes more difference than anyone farther from such relation. The same with mothers and daughters. And brothers and sisters. Unrelated or non-related are farther apart from such bonds. Obviously.

@@damiendingus2539 Dude, everything you are saying is nonsense.

@@darthvader537 don’t even respond to @Damien he’s obviously slow in the head 😂

Is that an explanation for why Anakin Skywalker’s force ghost is young?

@@calumbrooknicolson My headcanon is that when you become a force ghost, you can choose how you look towards people. I guess Anakin wanted to be dripped out for his son

@@grayski3324 dripped out lmaooo

@@grayski3324 might be a chance he didnt want to look like a piece of overcooked bacon either. the last time he was fully whole was before mustafar. makes sense that he would take that form as opposed to...ya know, after mustafar

He's the Chosen One. The rules are different for him

That’s the quote that had me laughing 😂

Kylo: “I will finish what you started, grandfather.” Anakin: "Fantastic! Did I mention to you I was an avid Sudoku Player? I got a bunch of unfinished ones in the trunk under my bed."

The sad thing is that all they had to do was in Rise have Kylo reveal that stopping Palpatine was the reason he was doing everything. It even justifies the patricide, a bit because he needs maintain the cover enough to keep Snoke and Palpatine from suspecting him. Instead, we get Palpatine coming back saying, "It was me pulling the strings all along!"

You want to get a girl? Tell her you don't like sand, it's course, rough and irritating. And it gets everywhere. It will work, trust. Now go my grandson and show your Skywalker rizz to the galaxy.

Whoever designed that “indestructible” mask deserves a raise

Anakin appears to Luke in a newer SW book, making it even more confusing,

I’ll answer both of your questions, JJ Abrams and Kathleen Kennedy wanted to stray as far away from the prequels and anything that George Lucas was extremely involved in post OT. It’s the reason why Detours, Clone Wars, and LucasArts were completely wiped off the map. After they did that they decided the next course of action was to try to follow marvels footsteps by creating a new trilogy that was more in line the original films (that failed), make Spin Off films which built up already existing characters and plot lines (sort of failed), and create new media to support those films such as new television series, video games, and literature (sort of worked but is extremely convoluted). In short, Force Awakens retold the same story as New Hope, except they added the twist of making the new bad guy just a brooding emo instead of a tortured soul imprisoned in his own skin and they made the inexperienced farm boy into a “can’t do anything wrong” Mary Sue scavenger girl, who literally has nothing to do with the actual plot and the other characters.

It's literally never cited but sith have a force ghost, they can posses people and make them see things that aren't real. Palpatine could have been messing with everyone after he died.

Disney has an explanation but I heard it was a shitty one. Makes sense given how they answer plot holes.

If I was able to appear as a force ghost and I saw kylo kill Han Solo, I’d just scare him, hope he falls off, if he doesn’t I take his lightsaber (cause they can do that in the sequels) and smack kylo off the edge with it

Like snape

It's amazing!

So did Vader

C3PO

Or the prequels. Or like even just the Clone Wars. Or apparently any of star wars history, because the kids acts so confused as if he never took a basic history class.

I think r2d2 still has most of his memory intact from all the way to the phantom menace from what I heard in the clone wars tv show

He only watched the orig trig so seeing Darth Vader as the good guy again just didn’t stick like it would have if had also watched the prequels.

Dear god.....please, never say "orig trig" again. That made me want to vomit. Also, it's trilogy, not triglogy. So that short-hand doesn't even make sense.

I don’t think anyone can relate to what Anakin has been through

@@gogetathestrongestfusion I can relate to pure freaking chaos and that’s what anakin has been through… also I’m trying to sleep atm

That doesn't make someone a good therapist lol Anakin is the last person I'd go to for psych help

Anakins story is therapy

ANAKIN: "Tell her you don't like sand. Then, slaughter a bunch of sand people. That worked for me." KYLO: "I already slaughtered a bunch of sand people." ANAKIN: "But, did you tell her you don't like sand?" KYLO: "No." ANAKIN: "Then, go and tell her you don't like sand. B!*ches love it when you don't like sand."

Anakin -- "So...you can talk to each other through the force. Yeah, uh, yeah you really can't know from that. Anything else?" Kylo -- "She comes from Tatooine, uh, we fought briefly. Might have connected." Anakin -- "Ok, that seems like a sign but you really can't tell there. I mean, there were plenty I fought against that, you know, they thought I was into them but I really wasn't. And of course, the other way too. Anyway, can't tell; any more signs?" Kylo -- "Um, no, other than me interrogating her we really haven't interacted since the fight." Anakin -- "Oh, an interrogation? That might--actually, wait, never mind. Can't tell in those situations. Keep your wits about you and continue to look for signs."

@@BrockLee3 What kills me is the leaps and bounds Anakin’s flirting did when he was an adult in Clone Wars.

C. Can't tell

Anakin: Ask your dad. Kylo: Uhhhh Yeeeaaah, that’s not really an option right now sooooooooo…..

When my grandniece is more weird and game addicted than me and I have to retreat to figure out a way to save her.

so Disney can sell toys, duh

I know! Me too 😂 he sounded just like Adam Driver

"Supreme leader senses iT"

If he did, the plot would have been ruined.

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Hey that's the reason why Vader didn't want to live after killing the Emperor.

True !

Agree, parodies of that trilogy are much much more enjoyable than the films.

The biggest feats performed by Jedi Ghosts were in physical places that had strong connections to The Force. It seems that in any other place they are as useful as a hologram.

@@Adrian-dl9nb Typical ghosts. In the meantime Siths are able to imbue objects with their hatred and hitch hike rides all over the galaxy Wait...what about when all the ghost Jedi who smite Palpatine through Rey in Exegol?

no because remember, no one can get to exegol through this magical cloud! one that you could definitely not just go slow and be cautious through!

I think they tried to explain it saiyng that it takes much power in the force to recall every fragment of conscience from the force to return as ghost, then it is not an ability you can use anytime you want, but an good explanation comes before not after the history is set

@@rhettbaldwin2417 Or you can just go around it

Yeah i felt that too

You should see his snl where he is an undercover boss

“…and I want to kill her.”

Which is sad, because in episode seven I thought Kylo could be incredibly cool, but as the episodes went on he was just a crybaby.

@@maozedong7207 Episode 7 had so much potential but the way they portrayed Kylo basically ruined the series. He never won a single fight. C'mon, you're the big bad. What's the point if you're not dangerous.

No, they don't share it because it's not what the plot calls for.

LMAO this shit made me laugh.

Han, shortly after meeting Leia: "I don't know if I want to kill her or I'm beginning to like her" Chewie: *groans*

*canon

You're forgetting the fact that the plot calls for Kylo to be evil.

He also thought like was jealous of his power, like Luke projected himself across the galaxy. You ain't got nothing on Luke 😂

Sequel lover and prequel lover here.

The two tend to be the same person

They might have thought of it but putting it into action is another thing. Seems to have taken some time to get Hayden back into acting again

If this happened, the plot would have been ruined, jackass.

That isn't all. Kylo ren sure can be like nah mistake but nope, he will completely collapse (sorry Kylo ren but your evil gotta collapse when it harms others without consent true consent bro.) When 1:17 Helmet comes up. Nah. Kylo ain't gonna stay under the grasp of (if true) changed the story of pre-existing movies Disney's hand and will break free!!!! Or something. If it's good or/and better or/..and.... something.....................

Was that in the movie script though, or is it the novellization author trying to rationalize the situation they were handed?

@@mpnuorva It was originally in the script but all of it got cut out to save time, the dialogue is as old as the movie itself. Look up *“Snoke instructs Kylo Ren (Extended)”* on RU-vid, the entire conversation they have is in that video, it’s great. I really wish they kept it all in the movie but I guess a prolonged scene of Kylo and Snoke talking wasn’t something they thought Star Wars fans would want to see at the time, but I personally would’ve loved it. Snoke says parts of it in the original teaser trailer for TFA, which means they filmed the whole conversation with Andy Serkis (Snoke). In the trailer when Snoke says *“The dark side…and the light.”* that’s straight from their conversation about Vader, but it’s nowhere to be found in the movie itself, it was 100% in the script.

It wouldn't of saved the sequel trilogy, they still would of sucked, should of followed the throne trilogy books like all star wars fans wanted in the first place.

If they had left this part in the movie the conversation with Snoke , and then added this scene after he ask his grandfather for advice and Anakin telling him the real truth would have been epic and could have taken the series in a whole different direction , that we would have never seen in the Star Wars story. But also in the theme of when obi-won shows up to help Luke in his most desperate times of conflict.

Someone said it, thank you!

George Lucas changed the way the original rotj and then he became a young man

@@herbosmoker848 I know that's the technical reason, but I was thinking along the lines of an in-universe reason, or a story reason

@Dyl I like the sound of that actually, I might make that my head cannon

It annoys the fuck out of me that Lucas changed it.

I can agree with that

Same with Obi wan.

Clone wars voice is far superior though so I feel like it can stay the way it is.

Absolutely

@@jasonutty52 Superior? Idk bruh, Movie cannon>TCW Cannon...But okay!

Literally, the movie's name is "Return of the Jedi" because Anakin returns to being a Jedi, and for decades we only had the real, original version of the movie where force-ghost Anakin is the old dude who'd just died...as a redeemed Jedi. So no.