I think the tempest sounds more organic, and darker. I like that it's more of a polysynth. I like its kick better as well. The analog rhym Sounds great as well....two different beasts...get both!
Had both versions of the RYTM and now have a Tempest. It’s not as straight forward as Elektron boxes, but It has a beautiful sound and build. And can I mention the swing on this machine!!! I’ve been doing ‘Micro Timing” since I started using ableton in the mid 2ks because I was never satisfied with their swing emulations. Even the MPC ones. But this simply sounds amazing at certain swing levels!
they both sound great. I would say the Tempest sounds more like classic industrial than the Elektron. The Elektron does sound more like something you would hear in a club though. I realize that makes zero sense but that's what I hear. Don't think you can knock either machine. Both are obviously fantastic.
I have both.I think Analog Rytm sounds like its made for those who wanna make quick EDM stuff ,very catchy.I like Tempest better in terms of depth,sounds,filter,Pads(excellent for finger drumming),Modulation is unlimited your imagination.well,I say Analog Rytm is good for quick easy trendy stuff and Tempest needs more knowledge in sound synthesis to achieve best results which pays off.you wouldn't appreciate Tempest until you know what you're doing.I use Tempest along with Moog in my studio more than Analog Rytm nowadays.They both are decent units I guess my styles of music is more toward toTempest's sounds.
simply not fair, you can go deep in AR as well, and of course Techno i really cant see the EDM approach in my AR, EDM is a DAW based music, impossible to do in a Machine, at least to me
EDM can be done in either DAW or using hardware. Both of these machines have the capability to do EDM so it's not impossible. If it's not restricted to analogue and sample hybrid drum machines you can also use MPC Live and MPC X to do EDM
I had a Tempest and I loved the features and depth of synthesis, but the drum sounds themselves were always terrible to my ears. I even downloaded others' lauded presets and thought they were lousy as well. I'm thinking of getting a Rytm now, had a Tanzbar which I loved the sound of but had a lousy interface.
The Elektron box is rocking every time it's touched! Seems to me that anything made to where pads are to be played, it should be sitting firmly on surface. Loved the Tempest in both videos over the RYTM. The RYTM has *that* **Elektron Sound** and convoluted interface to where the "999" would still beat it any day...so would my Spectralis.
They both sound like excellent machines. I feel the Tempest is really suited to more Industrial/Cyber Punk harsh sounds and the Electron firmly in Dance territory.
It's the presentation. I would have said the opposite based on my review of other demos. They are actually both excellent synths for a wide variety of sounds, except the RYTM is also a sampler and has a big library of presets.
The only thing i took from this is that the are both very different instuments that share some common ground sonically. I bought an Analog Rytm instead of a Tempest, I love it to pieces, it is immediate and inspiring. always fat beats and a wide rang of tones can be had. In saying that, my next purchase in the next month will be a Tempest. Sometimes i want the freedom to craft a sound i have in my mind, the tempest can do that without having to troll through sample packs. Both are important, both will be future classics and worth their weight in gold in the next ten years :)
Very interesting. I like the groove of the rthm and I think the sound of it is more modern however the Tempest would be a beast to have for making k drum sounds.
Nice job. I can understand that the AR is a drum machine and the Tempest is a kind of synthesizer. The Tempest may be more flexible but it require more skills to perform rhythm attractively. I feel the AR is better for typical players.
The bassdrum sound coming from the RYTM sounds like a much higher/sharper curve pitch envelope. You probably don't need 4 oscillators to get this sound (per the tempest) - a sinewave with a really deep, abrupt scoop on its pitch envelope, preferably with the very top of the env flattened slightly so you can hear the initial frequency it starts at (click/pop) would be good. the envelopes in the MachineDrum are like this, exponential curve but with its initial peak is flattened slightly for perception of the initial frequency. the tempest seems like overengineering something simple like a kickdrum, focusing more on science of synth components instead of aesthetic output. tempest sounds fluffy compared to the rytm
seems the AR example here sounds a bit more saturated, "dirty", which i would prefer... but maan its hard to decide which one to choose :D thx for your vid btw
Seems like the tempest would pay off more in the long run if you have the patience and like tweeking. The modulation options alone on the tempest are tempting, but both seem to be pretty solid choices all around. For me user friendliness, speed, and just getting to the actual music creation process is the most important so I might land on the elecktron camp if I had the opportunity.
Also, many of the 8 analog voices on the Rytm have more than one "engine" aka another configuration of the analog circuitry and therefore different tweakable parameters...especially the kick drum engine "BD HARD, BD CLASSIC, BD FM, etc"
I prefer the dirty characteristic sound from the tempest, but i also like the clean and modern sound from elektron. It´s all about what you can get out of your feelings in these kind of machines ;)
That's not a comparison. That's "max the engine of one out and figure the other works different". In your opposit comparison the Tempest sounds a lot better, in this the Elektron sounds better. Try to do another comparison using only the internal oscillators and adjust filters, pitches and decays 1:1 on both by ear AND values, using ONLY the internal analog oscillator waveforms, no fancy stuff one of the units can't do and no "analog samples" whatever that is. Then share that so we know what is better for REAL and not that each one sounds good if you max out the specific strengths.
Got both, the tempest need more work to get decent sound, but it's a lot deeper than the Rytm, the pads on the Rytm are horrible, but you get that instant sound and the low end is amazing. To me the Rytm sounds more pop, the tempest is a real poly-six if had to chose one, I would pick the Tempest.
in germany tempest gets 200 euros cheaper may cause of rytm....analog four has also a very good kickdrum...i think seq of rytm is fmore flexible also for live recording....tempest has more synth possibilitys...can souind almost like a poly evolver or prophet 8.....i own an tempest and its timing is perfect (swing is great) cause of the new os system...also without quantisation....realy hard do say what is better i think both machines a better:-) sorry for my bad english...
i know its 9 years old, but why you got tempest kick in stereo and rytm in mono? of course there will be phase canceliung, which is happening here quite heavilly. appart of that educational , thank you
Really hard bet. I have a rytm which I like but not all of it. I couldn't get any decent hi hats out of it also the cymbal isn't really going anywhere. Not sure whether I am so used to hearing x0x sounds or if it just lacks strength there. Obviously the x0x used samples and using sample chains the AR gets quite flexible but I was wondering if the tempest could be better. I don't have any idea what to do with the low, mid and hi tom on the rytm. I don't use toms and for bass use they are too limited in terms of deca / release time from within the machine. The bass tom is good though.
I don't think Elektrons bit crusher is very good. Typical low sample rate aliasing has a crunching bite to it where Elektrons just sounds buzzy like a ripped speaker cone.
I can't say it as I sold the AR since more than an year now, they've updated it. As far as I know it doesn't have a reverse function like the tempest, but again you could save your reversed samples in the AR and trigger them accordingly. To me the Tempest for jamming is just better. I don't like the pressure concept of AR. The MK2 has a new dedicated macro knob that pretty interesting though.
The Tempest again shows the unpractical "tonsofparametersbutshitsoundintheend" phenomenon like all the DSI shit does! It is expensive and sounds like yesterday! The Rytm on the other hand is a hell of a machine and sounds modern, fresh and punchy - is there any question which machine is better? ;-) Of course: +1 for Elektron - again !!!!
you'd have to be crazy to think the tempest has shit sound!!!!!!!!!! I've owned a lot of Elektron gear and recently acquired the Tempest... it's fucking brilliant m8
inf0tr8r yeah i have to agree..i have the Tempest and i had Elektron overall both are great but there's no night and day difference from one to the other...Both are high end sounds awesome...I think the Tempest has great potential
rhampton1914 That's the problem with DSI, sometimes they just don't finish their product. They leave bugs and unfinished features for years. I lost hope in the Tempest and Tetra. Soundwise I think they sound great. We will have to see if P12 and Pro2 will fare any better in this regard, time will tell.
danron after fooling around with the Analog Rhythm i have to say hmmm,,,,,WOW....Effects,,,Gobs of sounds,,,,,,I don't know,,this is going to be tough...the effects ALONE is a winner for the Analog Rhythm....Both are still good but there's More Creativity when you have effects and the effects are SUPERB quality...
I've done some good for my style. It's quite subjective. Those filter based are good for soft electro and minimal stuff. You can check some examples on this other video I've made: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IDkayNukeTU.html Hope it helps.
Yarsha I've owned a tempest twice and you can make KILLER kicks on that thing. An 808/909 are just synths, but as you're stating it's complex to program on the tempest. A huge help is syncing waveform cycles so they reset on a trigger if you want really deep sounds. I make kicks on my modular with just a sine/filter/eg/vca and you'd never know they weren't from a killer drum machine. The advantage of the tempest is the amount of envelopes to get all of the programming you need to make a solid drum sound. Percussion programming is actually quite complex and there's a reason why there are limited parameters on many drum machines. Most users don't have the need to edit things that deeply and just want a kick that sounds good. I learned quite a bit from using a tempest and also a vermona DRM mkiii.
caleb condit Thank you. I agree with you. I've actually sold my AR and sticked with Tempest and Maschine for digital. I find myself more comfortable with the Tempest exactly because it's more Synth-like. And you can achieve all sort of deep kick with the right amount of time dedicated to the instrument.
Yarsha I also have both Tempest and AR for quite some time now. I still have never, ever heard a good analog kick from Tempest. I hear people talking, sharing files, saying they can make etc., etc. But never ever a kick like some easily in 10 seconds from my AR.
For what I do Wavestrike Electronics , the tempest does it better. I agree that it's easier on the AR, but for some simple acoustic electro sounds, I found the Tempest more satisfying and deep. For instance, a simple kick sound like the one I use in this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-WyhQt5gGhOo.html, has been achieved in 5 mins. I think it depends on how you use it in the mix. When I make a song that layers multiple synths and a lot of effects, I prefer go toward sample based kicks anyway.
one is a drummachine, the other a drum synthesizer. i haven´t seen a video in which a proper comparison frame was shown. of course it takes longer on the tempest to resynthesize a given preset, then again, it sounds more "organic" to my ear whereas the elektron sounds clean and uniform. it´s like comparing the octatrack to an mpc1000. the octatrack will rock any club-oriented dance-beat with it´s effect matrix, whereas a real drumset will always sound more alive on the mpc whithout 4 note midi-chord limit...
Why not buy both, i think each one of it has something to love and if you can afford only one than you can choose what you like more. I think it is great to have different options. This is not a religion you can choose more than one and have no problem! Oh i forgot, maybe for your bank account.......
Don´t know Tempest, But what ever you do with the Elektron you finish by getting a great sound, with good ears of courses. The possibilities are endless. By the way the kick here of the Tempest is Hyper flat. I guess it could be done better, but it take lot of time. The only thing i´m sure after seeing this video is AR 8 is a lot more fast for live creations and improvisation. Some stupid comment associating the AR 8 with the fact of to be lazy... when you play live, you need your ideas right now, not after ten minutes for looking for a good sound. All the video that i had seen of the Tempest sound flat to me. But perhaps it is a great machine, evidently it does not worth the price differences in Europe, Tempest is near 35% more costly
Mmmm, that's a strong assessment ;) But I would say that... AR has some features that help a beginner. But an advanced user can have an incredible instrument in his hand as well.
zazz63 once know principles and see them taken away, it looks like a limit, but it appears to be very handy in live. I'd not call Tempest sequencer live ready at all
