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Analysis of the Modern 10-Pin Bowling Swing and Release 2 by Dean Champ 

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This video was made using slow motion footage to analyse the modern 10-Pin Bowling swing and release. Areas of analysis are the starting position, crossover steps, the pivot step, balance at the line, the timing spot, dropping the ball inside, and generating power - which shows how the pro bowlers create high rev rates.
Bowlers featured include Wes Malott, Mike Fagan, Pete Weber, Bill O'Neill, Tommy Jones, Dom Barrett, Kelly Kulick, Jason Belmonte, Sean Rash, EJ Tackett, Missy Parkin, Osku Palermaa, Chris Barnes, Amleto Monacelli, Mika Koivuniemi, Diandra Asbaty, Chris Loschetter, Dan MacLelland, Diana Zavjalova, Cho Young-Seon and more...
Thanks to coaches Patrick Birtig, Jim Merrell, Mark Baker and Brian Voss and also a big thanks to Jani (jantukan channel) and others for uploading great HD footage.
Please Note: This video was created as a free resource intended for education and promoting the sport of 10-pin bowling, but it is not to be downloaded from RU-vid or reproduced without permission. I make no money from this video.
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Комментарии : 234   
@kidman2505
@kidman2505 Год назад
I've watched both Analysis videos over and over throughout the course of their releases. This is one of the best resources around for bowling in general.
@rodneyhinson4137
@rodneyhinson4137 6 лет назад
I have Bowled for years and never considered all the small adjustments that can greatly improve my Bowling. These videos are etched in my mind and I find myself returning for reassurance. Thanks to the Pros and these video's. Very thorough. ...
@1953nagarjuna
@1953nagarjuna 7 лет назад
I don't know how I haven't seen this video until now. It's one of the best bowling videos I've ever seen and a magnificent analysis of the modern bowling style. And the musical accompaniment is absolutely perfect! Thank you, Dean, for this extraordinary production and contribution to bowling instruction!
@deanchamp
@deanchamp 7 лет назад
Glad you appreciated it!
@20alphabet
@20alphabet 5 лет назад
Hardly
@frankfacts6207
@frankfacts6207 4 года назад
Does anyobe know who create the music?
@11SEXMACHINE
@11SEXMACHINE 4 года назад
One of the best videos on RU-vid. The best edited, etc... bowling video easily. I learned more in this 13 min video than alm the other bowling videos combined. Thanks for the effort.
@seniorbowler2276
@seniorbowler2276 9 лет назад
Dean, really great analogies you have shown. Have learned a lot from them. My spare shooting has really improved, plus, I am getting my old power strike back. Thanks very much.
@paulbuschow1669
@paulbuschow1669 6 лет назад
No doubt, well-done Mr. Champ! I re-visit this video when I feel like I am drifting from key behaviors that shape better bowlers. You created a great reference that I wish I had in 1984 when this journey began for me at Highland Lanes in Austin, TX.
@eduardopaniagua9477
@eduardopaniagua9477 9 лет назад
I'm a bowling coach down in Mexico city and your videos are a great help to demostrate the right technic to the people I coach, thanks and keep on whit this great job !!
@20alphabet
@20alphabet 5 лет назад
*_BUILD THAT WALL!_* *_BUILD THAT WALL!_* *_BUILD THAT WALL!_*
@scrumpymanjack
@scrumpymanjack 4 года назад
@@20alphabet Shut up, you idiot.
@markbishop9743
@markbishop9743 6 лет назад
Wonderfully done. I could watch this 10 times and learn something new every time
@oivaoptikko
@oivaoptikko 9 лет назад
Thanks Dean! Amazing accurate analysis for the tenpin bowling, absolutely great job!
@leahp.316
@leahp.316 9 лет назад
I second that! Thanks so much, Dean!
@Inquire703
@Inquire703 9 лет назад
I thought your first video on was the best. But this one trumps that one. Best one eva. Excellent job. I will be viewing several times a week to step my bowling game UP! Thanks you!
@strifeclare
@strifeclare 9 лет назад
Very well done, I'm sure I'll be watching this several times to help my game. Can't wait for the next part!
@rander9485
@rander9485 9 лет назад
I have learned so much from watching your videos and it has greatly improved my game. Thank you so much for taking the time to make them!
@rander9485
@rander9485 9 лет назад
Already are.
@villavids2785
@villavids2785 4 года назад
Excellent video! Got my son into bowling and we’re using this video as an example of the techniques. So much Better then how try explaining!
@jeffreyseylerkwrealty3730
@jeffreyseylerkwrealty3730 5 лет назад
I come back to this video time and time again. While there is so much to pick up on from this and the first video, no matter what I am working on, I know I will find something of value from each. Superb job on the editing and narration.
@deanchamp
@deanchamp 5 лет назад
Thanks Jeff. I haven't actually watched this myself for a few years now, but I put a lot if work into it originally. Glad you are still finding it helpful.
@robinstumpf1431
@robinstumpf1431 2 года назад
Wow this video is GOLD! It silently has almost ever technique I've learned wrapped in this video. It definitely helps learning all these tips first. And then watching this video. But this video can almost be a standalone pro lesson if you watch closely.
@sirhcortsac5082
@sirhcortsac5082 9 лет назад
this is an excellent follow up on the first video! i hope you realize what a tremendous learning tool your videos have been :)
@Brogers97
@Brogers97 9 лет назад
Awesome video. So stoked to see this after the first part. Keep up the great work.
@lowlifevl
@lowlifevl 5 лет назад
Thank you Dean! New to this sport. Definitely learned a ton from an outside observation and direct perspective within my game.
@donarms
@donarms 9 лет назад
Great job! A big thank you to everyone involved!
@jasonpeters2212
@jasonpeters2212 6 лет назад
Fantastic video , there some things that can't be taught or explained , but this video was informative encouraging and an eye opener for me . Thanks for posting . Thanks dean . Hope you enjoyed New Zealand when you were here .
@drwisdom1
@drwisdom1 5 лет назад
The quality of this video cannot be understated. These are the secrets of bowling that can only be revealed by deep analysis and powerful video technology.
@user-yl2pf7wo8f
@user-yl2pf7wo8f 9 лет назад
It's so useful when I teach my friend bowling. I can tell them what I mean easily by your videos. Thanks for your videos.
@user-lz3qd7ts9m
@user-lz3qd7ts9m 6 лет назад
literally the most helpful video when learning basics of bowling. Thank you.
@kennethcollins6418
@kennethcollins6418 5 лет назад
This is an awesome video...! I have been looking for some material on how to get a better swing on my approach and this video did more than that. I feel like I was taught by the pros just off this video!! Great work!
@Bullitt3309
@Bullitt3309 9 лет назад
Well done. The explanations with the video makes it easy to understand the techniques and the why as well. +10000 internets to you!
@scherer321
@scherer321 5 лет назад
This video helped me realize I needed to cross over on my 1st step. I just bowled a 675 series and won some cash. thank you
@geog1388
@geog1388 5 лет назад
You are the man "DAWG"!!! This video cleared up a few things I am doing wrong.
@MrJgravley
@MrJgravley Год назад
The best video that explains and shows very important tools.
@dangriffiths1392
@dangriffiths1392 Год назад
Best technique video I've seen by a mile. Probably best viewed by those who already have a handle on the game, otherwise there's a lot to take in and a lot of somewhat conflicting technique among the pros for whom each is obviously very effective... But man, what a fricken great video!!!! Thanks, Dean!
@patrickk8001
@patrickk8001 9 лет назад
Great job. Thank you for Part 2. :) Great start into the week
@stangtrax
@stangtrax 7 лет назад
thank you finally a video helping me understand more about the feet position in comparison to there target arrow with release.
@timcerami9281
@timcerami9281 9 лет назад
Love these!!! Thanks for putting this together!
@Popsplace42
@Popsplace42 2 года назад
Most helpful video I’ve found yet for building your swing.
@johnnyhudson4749
@johnnyhudson4749 6 лет назад
Honestly I despise the changes the modern equipment has forced on us. When I was a kid in the fifties the best bowlers took a LOW backswing and played a full roller down the line and in. Now I'm in my seventies and no way I'm going to break my arm trying to crank it like these guys. HOWEVER I'll give you this. Great analysis. No talk. Just watch. I'm very impressed by the sequences on balance at the line. Best instructional video I've ever seen.
@marbleman52
@marbleman52 6 лет назад
Johnny....I was born in 1952 so I'm not too far behind you..LOL.! I started bowling in 4th or 5th grade...and I and a few of my male friends were almost always on a league. We lived in a small farming town so we had just a small bowling alley...maybe 10 lanes..?? I sure had a lot of fun. We didn't have any fancy or 'scientific' ball handling techniques; I bowled mostly a straight ball and I think that my friends did too. but I was a pretty good bowler and I worked up to about a 140 average...not bad for an untrained elementary kid. Our little team even went to State finals one year...that was fun. I was always good at picking up spares...not all of them but most. We had to keep our own scores....good math practice..Ha..! I remember when I finally got my own ball & shoes...boy was I proud of that...made bowling a lot easier. I hadn't bowled in very many years, but recently I took my 11 yr. "young" Grand-Daughter bowling. Wow...my worn out lower back really hurt and was very stiff as I swung the ball...hadn't expected that...made me realize that I wasn't young & healthy like I used to be. I hope that you can enjoy your bowling...lots of happy memories for me.
@brantleysasseen3126
@brantleysasseen3126 5 лет назад
I found this insightful and helpful. Here's hoping it informs my own game a little!
@barrsteve7347
@barrsteve7347 5 лет назад
As a beginner, lots to unpack here. Baby steps are in order. One thing at a time. Good explanation of a complex movement.
@hughscot
@hughscot 7 лет назад
An excellent video for anyone who wants to improve their game.
@robbiebennett7012
@robbiebennett7012 6 лет назад
This was eye opening. Especially when they said that pros generate power with their elbows out then snapping them straight. That was shocking and I need to try this. I have had a problem with my elbow outside for a while trying to get it in. Time to experiment!
@kentrainer7831
@kentrainer7831 4 года назад
Love this video. Not someone telling me how to improve but showing me how to improve,
@eclayton7248
@eclayton7248 9 лет назад
Another great vid! Keep up the great work!
@djyhet
@djyhet 6 лет назад
Thank you so much for making this video .. i learned a lot of strategy on this video ...
@AthleticBowling
@AthleticBowling 3 года назад
Awesome work putting this video together! There is a lot of hard work putting this video here, I hope everyone could appreciate that! Thank you for sharing and let's keep supporting our sport together. :)
@CraftyVegetarian13
@CraftyVegetarian13 7 лет назад
My favorite to watch especially when I start going into my slumps.
@teabaggervance8
@teabaggervance8 5 лет назад
Eat a steak if you feel droopy
@katiej5051
@katiej5051 3 года назад
Me too!!
@tch632
@tch632 5 лет назад
And to think, I used to get made fun of when I was a kid about my 'bent elbow - snap release' style back in the late 80's, early 90's. I was just ahead of the times. #still-a-cranker
@AthleticBowling
@AthleticBowling 3 года назад
I was born a cranker too! You certainly were ahead of times my friend!
@renaiclayton7628
@renaiclayton7628 Год назад
Fantastic video!!! Great information. Well done. 👍👍
@ryanswanson2178
@ryanswanson2178 9 лет назад
These videos are awesome!
@andrewhubbard88
@andrewhubbard88 3 года назад
Awesome video! As a beginner, this was not only interesting but also informative.
@deanchamp
@deanchamp 3 года назад
Glad it helped!
@JNPNM
@JNPNM 6 лет назад
Awesome videos !! thx for your compilation
@lt48lee
@lt48lee 9 лет назад
Thanks 4 uploading, great job...very very helpful.....
@megamanteamprotoman3
@megamanteamprotoman3 4 года назад
thank you for uploading this
@succanproduce
@succanproduce 9 лет назад
awesome pt 2 keep em comin
@ebocortex
@ebocortex 5 лет назад
Wow I have learned more now and i can implement some of these into my bowling game. I never knew bowlers did not have a straight line step when winding up upon release. They also swing the ball very high on their approach which if those are anything over 14 pounds than that is impressive. I might have to follow these and change one thing at a time. The only other thing is learning where you want your ball to be at release and where it needs to end up mid-lane prior to the ball breaking to strike. I know it all differs on the types of balls you use which would get complicated with all the layouts you can have on a given ball. This part is complicated and probably takes lots of practice to get to where you can just run up and strike at any given opportunity.
@rr2418
@rr2418 9 лет назад
Great video! Although I'm from the old school it's always interesting to see how the power is generated this day and age. Brian Voss, David Ozio, and to be honest some of the women pros are the ones that I look at. These people suit my game the most.
@joebertucci813
@joebertucci813 6 лет назад
rr2418 Won pro am with Brian Voss as a kid. 😎 Ironically it was long distance but I was at his home house, Don Carter's Boca Raton. I agree about the ladies. Though Pete Weber is a damn legend, his delivery is not nearly as pretty as Kelly Kulick. New bowlers should try and look like her. Its easy to duplicate proper fundamentals. 😎
@devonbradford9217
@devonbradford9217 7 лет назад
This was outstanding
@rosaliegandara3536
@rosaliegandara3536 7 лет назад
Excellent information on this video.
@matthewfears5064
@matthewfears5064 6 лет назад
Fantastic job sir.
@basmanalkassab789
@basmanalkassab789 8 лет назад
wonderful explanation , thanks
@n3tiy0
@n3tiy0 4 года назад
Great job bro! I was studying and suddenly I finished in this video but it was worth it! haha I have no idea about bowling but this is good
@djbigsmooth
@djbigsmooth 8 лет назад
Excellent work.
@rebornnum1fan
@rebornnum1fan 9 лет назад
love your videos! thanks
@Heat_Seeker01
@Heat_Seeker01 7 лет назад
thank you for this video its awesome!
@mariiwa3769
@mariiwa3769 6 лет назад
Your this video is wonderful! thank you for sharing for me!
@asrafulalam-ih7mc
@asrafulalam-ih7mc 7 лет назад
This video is helping me a lot
@Highway69theoriginal
@Highway69theoriginal 9 лет назад
Thanks Dean!
@fredchow
@fredchow 9 лет назад
brilliant background music and also the editing
@20alphabet
@20alphabet 5 лет назад
Not!
@user-zi3hz4vc1k
@user-zi3hz4vc1k 3 года назад
This video is awesome!
@pantydropper1937
@pantydropper1937 5 лет назад
Great Job Sir
@jeffbear3075
@jeffbear3075 9 лет назад
I'm"old school" as well as an "old guy" and I really like Kelly Kulicks game.It seems the most natural and unforced and she still gets a ton of power.If I could roll like her I'd be totally satisfied.But I've always wished I could roll like Amleto.I love that follow through.And for new guys.E.J.Tackett really gets through the ball.Lots of revs for such a little guy.
@mattgordon1977
@mattgordon1977 2 года назад
Great video!
@jameslbronsonjr6472
@jameslbronsonjr6472 6 лет назад
Love this video
@jodichill1744
@jodichill1744 5 лет назад
Nice...really nice video!!
@rhiannonangell6828
@rhiannonangell6828 7 лет назад
This is the best workout ebook I think on Unflexal
@DeedsResearcher
@DeedsResearcher 7 лет назад
As a former member of the PBA going back to the 1980s, I cannot say that I endorse the 2-handed method, and would never attempt to teach it to any new bowler. While it is totally legal (as far as I can see!) I believe that with more hands involved it brings into play the possibility of more errors being made by the bowler. And with the notion of both feet leaving the ground, it can bring into question the issue of having a good, balanced, stable delivery.The very hallmark of Earl Anthony's delivery was that it was simple, consistent, and he was always in perfect balance at the foul line. He managed to keep the ball in play under all lane conditions, and was seldom known to make a truly "bad" shot under pressure.
@Jeon1958able
@Jeon1958able 7 лет назад
DeedsResearcher Well, it's not for everyone I guess. If you're doing good with either of the techniques, I personally don't think there's a need to change it.
@DeedsResearcher
@DeedsResearcher 7 лет назад
Generally speaking, I would agree with that notion. There are some (very few!) bowlers who "pin bowl", that is, they look directly at the pins during their delivery, instead of using the spots on the floor. Clearly, spot bowling gives a bowler a chance to be more consistent than does pin bowling...which relies on "dead reckoning", as such. So if a person is satisfied with bowling 160s and 170s, fine. But if he or she wants to improve upon that, then it may be time to give "spot bowling" an honest try. Obviously, it is easier to throw a basketball into a hoop from 15 feet than it is to try from mid-court. The same applies to spot-bowling versus pin bowling. I just don't like the so-called 2-handed "delivery. It looks more like the person is flinging the ball down the lane, rather than bowling. Perhaps that's the real beauty of the delivery of Earl Anthony: nothing fancy, no wild swinging of the arms, always in balance at the line...and always delivering one good ball after another.
@manuelf2984
@manuelf2984 7 лет назад
DeedsResearcher Like most individual sports, whatever suits the bowler whether traditional or two handed doesnt matter. Ive tried bowling two handed for the 1st time and it wasnt easy as I did when I 1st picked up bowling using traditional way. So I guess the 2 handers made the game a bit more interesting and watching Belmonte wins so much, his style deserve a 2nd look.
@stilltlrforlife
@stilltlrforlife 7 лет назад
DeedsResearcher I have to disagree, if you do something a certian way from the beginning, it can be perfected.
@CurtisL8.3066
@CurtisL8.3066 5 лет назад
DeedsResearcher the very best two handers are impossible to beat when the lane conditions favor them.... they get carry, power, and angle that us mere mortals just can’t match.
@asrafulalam-ih7mc
@asrafulalam-ih7mc 7 лет назад
inspiring video
@shawnlucas4
@shawnlucas4 9 лет назад
another gread vid, thanks!
@davidpalmateer8226
@davidpalmateer8226 9 лет назад
Thanks
@jenisealongi
@jenisealongi 4 года назад
really wonderful
@jimmiebogan3716
@jimmiebogan3716 11 месяцев назад
Awesome 👌🏿 👏🏿 👍🏿
@mraulinaitis
@mraulinaitis 7 лет назад
Who on Earth could have disliked this video???
@DavesRc
@DavesRc 6 лет назад
Mindaugas Raulinaitis some asshole is who would dislike this video. I found it very informative. It was a good look a bunch of different styles all with the same outcome. Some people are just full of hatred and have nothing better to do than try to hurt someone's feelings. I thought it was great and well thought out. Cheers
@gasser5001
@gasser5001 5 лет назад
someone without a thumb?
@andreshernandeza1712
@andreshernandeza1712 5 лет назад
"experts"
@derzeyfang7334
@derzeyfang7334 5 лет назад
It be fair the music is shit and sometimes you dislike the Videos so you don’t get any more of them. In your recommendations.
@Shabercom
@Shabercom 5 лет назад
Same people who say bowling is easy and all you have to do is grab an 8 pound house ball and never use your thumb... same idiots.
@dennisstokes1385
@dennisstokes1385 3 месяца назад
It's all great. Didn't show any videos of arguably the 2 greatest bowlers ever. Earl Anthony and Walter Ray Williams!
@freedomstar3814
@freedomstar3814 Год назад
Me over here watching bowlers , and I have bowled maybe 12 times in my life .... straight down the pipe fastball .... and my 125 score !
@TSquared2001
@TSquared2001 6 лет назад
Great analysis. I'm sure backup bowlers are nowhere to be found
@chriso8193
@chriso8193 6 лет назад
Nice.
@SuperBobby47
@SuperBobby47 9 лет назад
Hey Dean, I've been bowling for a few years now and from watching this video, I got a couple questions. I've been trying to bowl cranker style like a few the bowlers here but can't do it. How are they able to swing the ball so high over their heads like that? And for a while now, my ball has been over hooking. What can I do to reduce hook?
@-2ss3
@-2ss3 7 лет назад
anybody know the name of song playing in the background ( or the artist/DJ?)
@20alphabet
@20alphabet 5 лет назад
Should be Intense Stupidity.
@phillipvazquez284
@phillipvazquez284 6 месяцев назад
Excellent ty
@billyr1
@billyr1 3 года назад
Gold
@Sharkblood440
@Sharkblood440 7 лет назад
Best video on Bowling tips yet! Yes, I am in a slump right now. Have an old reactive resin xl that I struggle with on medium to heavy oil conditions. Can get a new storm rocketship for a good price and it's purple! Any opinions? Would like consistent ball motion from start to finish.
@jaysal6133
@jaysal6133 6 лет назад
Harry Gottfried hy road or dv8 vandal destroy are good all purpose balls that won't hook off the lanes but will still have a good bite
@ethanzeigler3071
@ethanzeigler3071 9 лет назад
I noticed that every bowler here uses a twisting motion on their down swing, but I do not recall you mentioning that anywhere, or how that is advantageous to keeping the ball at the side of the hand on the down swing. Personally, I would think that it would give the ball more of a top-like rotation, but that obviously isn't the case here.
@CurtisL8.3066
@CurtisL8.3066 5 лет назад
Ethan Zeigler just visualize pointing your elbow roughly at your body In your backswing. Upon release, it’s a quick cup and break motion plus the straightening of the elbow that gives that violent power or tween release you see on most of the top modern bowlers. I’m a power stroker, I can’t do it with any consistency, but that’s kinda how you do it. They have some videos on you tube explaining it
@baseballman74
@baseballman74 5 лет назад
Thanks so much ~ now I’m going to rip shirt out~~~
@yourneck2
@yourneck2 9 лет назад
If I had RU-vid back in the nineties Ooh who would tell what next level I would of went to....
@mateva12345
@mateva12345 8 лет назад
I have a problem I suitcase the ball and don't get enough revs on the ball and it slams on the floor then goes right into the gutter.
@jejierecla437
@jejierecla437 6 лет назад
Matthew Evans cup your wrist
@TheMiles426
@TheMiles426 7 лет назад
T.O.'s Bowling debut at 2:35
@shandalove1654
@shandalove1654 6 лет назад
Great music
@tyleryoung5040
@tyleryoung5040 9 лет назад
Well, I learned that my starting position isn't common amongst pros. I don't use my thumb, and start with my right arm perfectly straight, with the ball down practically resting on my thigh and my left hand resting on top of the ball. I've really only been bowling for about 9 months but I'm getting pretty good. I strike more often than not, but my spare game is really inconsistent. I don't have a spare ball, so I have to use an alley ball. My best so far is a 257, 7/ first frame (it was my first game of the day) then struck all the way to the 10th and opened :( super let down.
@le0thelion298
@le0thelion298 9 лет назад
can you guys explain the process of generating power 1. im trying to learn how to release after bending my arm thanks :)
@bladeknockingon700
@bladeknockingon700 9 лет назад
The important thing is to have a ball that fits really well. After that is figured out generating power should be effortless. What you want to do after bending your arm is to actually unload and release the ball onto the lane. If you keep that arm bent and don't snap it straight in time you are losing two vitals to a good shot. Those two are speed and revs. Ultimately those two will be generated by your footwork, and your wrist and elbow. Notice how I didn't mention the shoulder. High level bowlers throw with the legs not the shoulder.
@NotOfThisWar
@NotOfThisWar 6 месяцев назад
yep, after watching both and practicing over and over I just can not put any type of rev, spin on my ball, I have the power lifters, I can't tell if the ball leaves all my fingers at once or not....I also keep having the ball go every which way at times. my league tells me I throw to fast but its 16mph give or take a little and I feel like im letting the ball swing...its a 14lb ball. Ive been told i need to slow down but doing so screws me up, and ive been told I swing my arm back to far....which also screws me up if i try to correct it. bowling the way these guys do with having the right leg swing over behind just feels so awkward to for me and also causes me to bowl every which way. I understand everything i need to be doing but when it comes to it I can't. ive been wondering if 14lbs is to much for me however recently ive been able to barely but keep my hand under the ball......but again it just goes straight. I have the Blackwidow 2.0 and the DV8 hellcat. both 14lbs
@wr3ckr270
@wr3ckr270 2 года назад
What happened to the original Soundtrack "Nexus" from Aes Dana?
@massimilianodisisto75
@massimilianodisisto75 5 лет назад
The two chapters about generating power are referred only to upper and elite level. No one has ever taught me how to do about this. IMHO
@probitionate
@probitionate 9 лет назад
Even though I'm trying to glean what I need as a straight (non-hook) bowler from your videos (and not coming up with much, save that my backswing is way too shallow), your videos are invaluable for general technique. (Where does a non-hook bowler find advice on release and follow-through, anyway?)
@CurtisL8.3066
@CurtisL8.3066 4 года назад
Bro learn to hook it, you’re never gonna score if you don’t
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