Ancient China and Rome: 1000 Years of Contact // DOCUMENTARY 

Those times long ago cause less global warming then now🤔.......just a thought✌🤘

I just finished watching the documentary. That was a really well narrated journey through very interesting subject matter indeed. The graphics were excellent. Very nice way to spend the evening. Cheers

@@marrz8244 Humans don't cause "global warming", just like humans did Not cause the last ice ages. The climate of the earth is a tremendously powerful force that humans can only dream to manipulate. We Can control Pollution and Weather though ----but Not the Climate.

Thanks for the link to that book.

29:20 his real greek name was Alexandros not Alexander. Alexander is latin version . 😂 ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ from Greek words Alex + andros = "keep the mens in distance"

I too love the primary source material. I only wish he would add qualifiers such as Heroditus didn't write his history till 200 years after the events. Im not sure about that but think I've remembered it correctly

@@manleynelson9419 herodotus wouldve been a child at the time of the greco-persian wars, i think

@@manleynelson9419 plus many historians and scholars take Herodotus with a grain of salt when it comes to *what the people actually said* especially since the Byzantines Christians where the ones that collected and wrote about herodotus works

@@manleynelson9419 We all know that about Herodotus.

I like that this channel quotes direct ancient sources and doesn't speculate or interpret "What really happened". So much history can't be known with 100% certainty. Best guesses based on interpretations of archeological finds are okay as long as the historian states it is only an interpretation. As long as they state "we think this is what happened" instead of stating it as 100% fact. We can't even get modern history 100% accurate due to biases and propaganda.

says the white man

@@gimprovement6087 wtf is your problem?

@@kensingcd I'm trolling lol

@@kensingcd Are you really a white man btw?

@@gimprovement6087 go troll somewhere else

I mean, I pay 17.00 per month to watch it for "free". Everyone else has to watch Ads during the course of the video, for which revenue is shared, or the video sponsor helps to pay... but we get what you mean. Very high quality. A great deal for the level you're getting.

​@@thelearnedindividual5765 Worth every dime - unlike most universities these days!

And where does one even start to research the names and dates and narrative threads for all of this? It's astonishing.

For me too. If you visit a lot of ancient village and cities in China , it will be mind blowing. I am from latin America

Helps they didn’t live anywhere near each other. Neither had nukes or other weapons that can reach the other in an hour. No media to monitor 24 hours a day on what’s happening. You’re an idiot if you think these two nations wouldn’t go to war if they bordered each other.

@@bobbyaxelrod5959it’s America that constantly wants war

Yeah this channel is great, you should also check out: fall of civilizations. That's also one of my favorite channels about ancient civilizations

Shiiiit it's better than Dope

@@matildamarmaduke1096 Maybe 🤔 we could setup some new recovery programs transitioning addicts into truth seeking explorers! It’s kept me from falling off the wagon for 14 years!! Seriously, I know part of my issues started out of curiosity and never being satisfied w the information presented to me that explained where we’d been or came from.

@@_S0urR0ses_ Sounds like a winner but I was told today they gotta want it but I said we can not just leave her like that and not even try to help and heard she will climb on your back drowning you for a 20 hit I said hell you say ,but after seeing & hearing such pain I have to atleast try.just ain't come up with a life preserver built to withstand such a tsunami

Your milk and cookies on the table go get your reward😂

Christmas came early indeed. Ancient Rome and ancient China knowing of each other is so so fascinating

These videos are so well-made, they do feel like Christmas presents... The infrequency adds to the relish; it's not everyday we get fine gifts like this.

@Giuseppe LoGiurato I know right! I’d actually love it if he started focussing on this style of longer documentaries full time - ala Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History. I love all his videos but especially these ones & the wait’s worth it because they’re so god damn good! I just wish there was more of them 😁

I feel the same way. Now I can listen to this over and over

@@butterball_ ..j

That tiny parcel of land where the Tigris and Euphrates meet the sea has a lot of history. The British have led amphibious landings there in both the 20th and 21st centuries.

Some Persian Royalty would end up in Tang China after the Arab conquest of Persia.

@@sodadrinker89 Persia is Arabia

Ofcourse the central asians and persians knew about both sides overland, and south east asians and indians knew about both through ocean routes. The ancient world was far more connected then most think.

And the Greeks too

@@giannis_toupolemou Persians aren't Arab

thanks so much!

Agreed. The average Netflix documentary pans between 6 different people who don't know what they're talking about, all paraphrasing the same sentence

@@VoicesofthePast 0à

and usually support some kind if narrative.. This is an incredible, unbiased factual journey through that time

Oh yeah, especially if made for TV and you get that constant recap every 10 minutes when there would normally have been an equally long bout of commercials.

你学习中文吗？🎉

@@mawa2150 对，我在大学学中文，我真喜欢！

@@tali.k57 哪个大学？

What sort of job can you get with that?

@@noon3d historian, diplomat are the ones i can come up with

They called them Big Qin,so *Big China

@@hx5525 They called da Qin Mening other China And claimed they are chinese

Doesn't qin 秦 also denote something though? Not just like a proper name of a dynasty. That would make sense, they called themselves after something they did well and so just assumed a similarly advanced culture would also excel in that particular area (which makes me think it was like a prerequisite, perchance having to do with advances in warfare, agriculture, commerce). Also, this served as propaganda, bringing the rivalry down to individual identity: now there was someone out there, not just some other great nation, but one allegedly claiming to be the better you. I know it doesn't make that much sense rationally but that's the message the subconscious part operates with, thus making it personal.

@Commieblin reminds me of an account I've read (possibly false) that Moctezuma had considered the Tarascan Empire to be the only state in the world worthy of his respect.

Would be easy slaughter for Rome. China got beat by Mongols with ease. The Roman's will then take those tight Chinese vjj with their bwc

Al- Exander

Also in proto Indo.european Sekander meant warrior..it was a name.dor.grwat fighters. Sekander's. So a name popular was Alsekander. Or Alexander. :)

@@generalconsensus2518 Totally right. To this day in Turkey the name Iskendar is popular, and the further east you go you get Sikander in Pakistan and India. Super interesting

Kinda looked like a legionnaire a bit, a gathered body of soldiers in aries; a disease of seize

you pulled that out of your ass. sekander doesnt mean warrior in pie.

Quantum means small fam

@@TWN-nw4jd look up the definition of “quantum leap”

@@SomeoneFarted pretty sure that's a TV show and not real fam

@@TWN-nw4jd Once again, look up the definition of quantum leap.

@@SomeoneFarted how about you describe what you think it means colloquially Vs what it actually means etymologically

Yeah .. the world is a lot smaller then we think it was.

I didn’t even know that eastern Greece and China went to war over horses until last week, now the romans went to war with china. Maybe next week I’ll hear that the Aztecs or Myans fought china

@@christaylor6654 Well...most of the people in Bactria/Afghanistan were "Dayuan" or "Greekish" or "Hellenic", but the ruling government wasn't by the time of The War of Heavenly Horses. That war had a MASSIVE impact on China though, as it spread Buddhism in China. Yeah, you forgot to mention that most of those Greeks in Afghanistan were Buddhists.

Spoiler alert!

We didn't start the fire...

I think it's how he breaks the units up and keeps interest with visuals. His has the effect of a rocking chair and an easy breeze.

But he jumped from Sima (Which was Qin dynasty) to Hans China....and Da Ching (Qing dynasty? Eh?).... And also he said Da Yuan (Yuan Dynasty?).... Eh ?... That is around 1500 years !!!..... lol..... Cos what he stated... then was... it means that... even Japan is European. lol.... Ceras ?? Seras ??? NOOOOoooooo.......lol.... So "Qin dynasty" was actually the Roman City inside China ? Lol.... Noooo........ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daqin And so the people died.. were because.. they got the small pox ? Or boils ? So then they burnt everything ?....

Agreed. Typically u find the western version which lacks truthful details

​@@MeiinUKI don't think anyone has a high opinion on getting solid facts from Wikipedia..... especially on history.

​@@jannguerrero : lol. Thank you.. I take that as a compliment... Lol.... I actually have never heard of the Western side to the East... So I quite like this video ... :)

@@MeiinUKit’s a no-no to cite wikipedia. It isn’t a primary source. I’ll take the word of the RU-vidr whose citations are academically researched.

Your English is good

I thought it was an English bastardization of "Qin".

The bible mentions the chinese people as 'sinnite', their land: Sino--this, I believe, is the origin--the word for 'Asia' comes from, if memory serves, the persian word 'Hsia' or 'Most East'

China came from the translation of western world from Qin Dynasty. As pronunciation was pronounce in western world as Qin Na. Then it turned to China instead and it stuck there since

China is still Roman

"and makes sense" so nothing like Lost then

*oof*

@@Tentaculat That's why he said "this time"

Bring the trade up to date with the New silk road and Covid-19.

you've just compared the universe to a tv series

You will be able to access these memories in heaven, 3d, feels real.

Damn thots, not even wearing their togas! What the fvck is Roma coming to?

And they were right.

Immorality is timeless

@@thetruthchannel349 Bath salts are NOT for human consumption.

The Truth Channel CPC are enemies of woke culture and western capitalists like Soros

You have good Civilization taste

​@@SIGNOR-G yes indeed. but dont forget about india. its a battle of 3 titans, just like it might be the case in another maybe 70 years. then hopefully again a peaceful coexistence and technology exchange

and the Achaemenid Empire wasnt that bad either, for their time

@@albertfcb6654 and the best part is that all 3 (or 4 if you include thepersians) were very much different from eachother. This is some good story material

Me too, the Roman empire and ancient China dynasties are the most interesting for sure, and both are famous for studying as well

Did you not see the advertisements in the video? 🤦‍♂️

@@xxxxxxxx183 Education freely given. As in, he gave it to US for FREE. Not that he didn't make any money off of it. Please learn how to read effectively, sir.

@@xxxxxxxx183u not very smart are u

Silk Road became worthy when Mongolians controlled much of east Asia. Before it was just any other path...

@@kevinkevinkevin1909 silk road became worthy for Europe after Mongel conqured most of euroasia continent. However, for western Asia, silk road is always showed strong presence...idk where your source is...

@@qiushiliang4844 ... common sense Genghis Khan is Mongolian and Yuan is Mongolian Dynasty. I don’t need source for common sense. Like you don’t need evidence that Song people were murdered and sold off as slaves as well as Yuan married the Song women. Strong for locals, but Mongolian Empire made the Silk Road for Global Economy. Don’t compare Model T with BMW vehicles.

@@kevinkevinkevin1909 common sense? You are not answering my question. It is only valuable to Europe after Yuan dynasty but silk road has always showed a strong presence in western Asia. Who says it is only "worthy" when it is present to Europe? Such arrogance is laughable.

@@kevinkevinkevin1909 I live in Huhehate😂

I think I’ve heard of this, honestly crazy how the world would have looked.

@Zeus Christos thanks

West and North China is different from Indo china South East Asians. They are consist of central Asian gene and are grass herders and horse riders. When we think of Rome entering China its not like Vietnam looking in lush forrest jungle mountains but more of Tibetan plains and wasteland

@@st4r444 Right? That'd be like landing a ship in Brazil and being like "hey, we found Mexico!" Like, dude, they don't even speak the same language.

@@st4r444 You don’t gotta call us Indo Chinese now we are only South East Asian

@@user-bl9br3ry5k ok rice eater. Yall short and have small wee wee

Dont lie.. Vietnam had no means to sail the ocean and Rome never sail to Asia.

@@maolo76 you do realize that it could have been brought from Romans in China and sold in Veitnam right?

@@vincegalila7211 Roman and China never traded

@@maolo76 yes they did. The merchants just had to be determined enough.

@@maolo76 he wants to have some.roman blood and not those boring rice small snubby nose weak jawline who go to school all time nerd can't get laid small wee wee. Romans are big strong and muscular

For me too. If you visit a lot of ancient village and cities in China , it will be mind blowing. I am from latin America

My point is that a good story gets you interested. You get hooked on the glory of Rome or the majesty of the pyramids. Then you're in, and if you're hooked, you learn about how it all happened. History is important

Sometimes the grandeur of a narrative leads us to blind ourselves to facts, and encourages us to construct lineages on sinking soil.

That would be interesting. While corn diffused from mexico to peru llamas, writing, quipu and mettalurgy didn't cross the barrier so any thoroughfare through the north-south barrier would have been nascent

I think that’s proven by the funeral mask of teotihuacan, it’s in the form of an Egyptian pharaoh. And coupled that with construction techniques it’s a safe bet that they knew more or less that civilizations did exist way beyond their borders after their exploring ceased.

@@kennethflores93 He was talking about trade between the Incas of Peru and the Mayans/Aztecs of Central America. Not sure what you are talking about

@@tvrulz46 The Darien Gap is still near-impassable.

@@parhhesia u can go around it in canoes. Polynesian colonized the whole pacific with outrigger canoes

Gabby Petito 😔☠️🖤

@@sarahoshea9603 yeah pretty sure her fiancé killed her though

As I understand, this is a largely american notion, which is why people in foreign countries catering to tourists are far more exploitive towards americans...

Traveling across the Taklamakan on foot is nuts, even today. The courage of the soldiers willing to cross mustve been immense, as they set off with 60,000 people, and got to Alexandria Eschatae with only 30,000....half of their army died marching alone....

As was then, is now, and will be forever: An ignorant fool cannot be saved from themselves and their "ideas."

on god 🙏

A bit dramatic dude.

@@Ulexcool yeah I agree. It's a great documentary but it's not like a miracle

Nothing. Changing time is wrong

@@KneelBeforeBlue Everybody Wang Chung tonight.

We think they’d be blown away by our iPhones and Bluetooth, but really they’d be much more amazed by our spice cabinets and $1 bottles of Arizona.

@@brewsterthegreat4737 Ikr? The fact that we can have ICED tea for dirt cheap is mind blowing in historic context.

I'd probably die after a day or two because I'm type 1 diabetic lol

Why? Whats wrong with this format?

I fully agree.... it would extremely nice to see.

Would be easy slaughter for Rome. China got beat by Mongols with ease. The Roman's will then take those tight Chinese vjj with their bwc

"They're bringing silk, they're bringing steel, they're bringing plague, and some of them I assume are good people."

@@st4r444 rome was also defeated by the huns, nomads from central Asia

Romans were defeated by Huns but not China... Huns and Mongolians are two different era people

@@st4r444 talking rocks without brains and mixing facts and history

I'm starting to think that "celestial" is probably the way we translate a chinese word that it's far less florid. Celestial kingdom, celestial horses, celestial whatever. Maybe it's like closer to saying: the great horses.

@@jmiquelmb the Chinese are know for giving florid names. Also "great" is not even the same as "celestial".

@@jmiquelmb the Heavenly Horses

They have settlements, trade posts and presence all over Levant, Arabia and Mesopotamia

Same

History channel is no longer . they want to dumb you down with Baby BOBO . sickening how America has become so unhinged and uneducated. . in so many ways.

This is way beyond History channel. I'd be shocked to see this type of quality on there.

The History Channel barely has any historical content...

The Paper too. The Europeans and the rest of the world got their hands on Papers and Books all thanks to the Arabs who learned the technology through Chinese POWs after the War with the Tang Dynasty.

Not really but I get what you saying, legitimately you just had to go off of stories passed down or people who went places. No fact check back then, honestly would be wild to just live in it for a week.

The podcast would not be as amazing without the beautiful visuals.

please no

Perhaps a proxy war, each side sending money and resources to their country like the Cold War between America and the Soviet Union and the Cold War between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Rome was a naval power as much as a land power. A naval expedition to China could have taken the same time it took the legions to reach Parthia. A large scale confrontation at sea could have been realistic. I'm not talking about landing the legions into the heart of China, but rather about putting it under siege. The Roman ships could have created super-competitive trade routes with the West, inducing Chinese merchants to make deals with them. All ports would have fallen in Roman hands, which would have become their outposts. Fishing would have also been monopolized by them. Going up the rivers, the Romans could have taken control of the many waterways, logistically cutting China in pieces. Thus, the immense Chinese armies would have been rendered useless, and no serious naval fight could have taken place due to Chinese inferiority in that regard. The imperial dynasties would have been forced to make concessions to avoid economic strangling consequences, and the Romans could have finally penetrated inside Chinese lands, achieving strategic victory. Of course, daring Roman leaders would have been necessary, and the right conditions to organize the expedition...

@@jorehir I mean that is if the roman ships could even reach there and compete with the Chinese Junks that is probably both fast and bigger then your typical average roman ships(tireme etc), it would be fun to see the romans chasing chinese junks while the chinese junk out range the roman with crossbows. but I don't doubt they won't copy what they just witnessed that is if they can get back to Rome unscathed. Also that merchant part makes no sense, if the ports are gone the silk route is still there. Ancient Chinese cities are also renowned for their indestructible walls before the invention of gunpowder artillery, unless the romans wait out the siege in a war of attrition I don't see them breaching that wall by the time reinforcements arrives, and the main source of economy of China is the taxes from the peasants and craftsmen so it's not like the romans is gonna do any major blow to the economy from foreign trade or stop them from eating fish when you have literally thousands of rivers to get fish from that I doubt the romans can take all at the same time. Oh and about those peasants, China is the first nation to implement conscription way back in the warring states period, although they are not as well trained or equipped as roman soldiers they are still well trained and drilled then most enemies of Rome but that will be replaced soon with professional armies as the war rages on with the romans, but they are also the ones who follow the art of war by Sun Tzu, they are more than happy to play guerilla warfare with the enemy and only go into full scale battle when they know victory is at hand, the advantage of terrain is also on their side and china has a pretty diverse climate and terrain, in the south humid environment, tropical climates is easy to catch tropical diseases and to the north, cold climate and harsh enduring winters from November till March not as bad as russia's but still pretty bad if unprepared. I really truly wonder what roman general would be sane enough to organize a expedition like this and make sure it's own logistic problem is solved, let alone get enough manpower.

@@comradetiedanski6038 - Private Roman ships travelled to India on a constant basis, where they established outposts. A State organized expedition would have easily made it to the China Sea, especially using such outposts. - You're ill informed about Chinese ships. During the Han reign, they almost exclusively employed fluvial boats (whose dimensions and speed are limited by the river). They pretty much had no blue water fleet, not commercial nor military. - No reason to think that Chinese ships were faster, as they were often flat bottomed (good for the shallow waters of rivers, bad for hydrodynamics) and with only a few rowers (low military speed, low maneuvrability). - The average Late Repubblican warship was actually the Quinquireme. 50-60m in length, 300 rowers, 120 infantrymen, and many artillery pieces (which the Chinese lacked in general). Much larger ships were available. A Silk Road by sea would have been safer and faster than by land. Hence it would have been cheaper and preferable by Chinese merchants. No need to block the original Silk Road. It would have been naturally diverted by sea. That was my point. "Ancient Chinese cities are also renowned for their indestructible walls" I guess you haven't heard of the siege of Masada... BTW, no need to attack the cities. I only talked about a coastal siege (including rivers) to disrupt the Chinese economy. "China is the first nation to implement conscription" Conscription is as old as human kind... But anyway, no need to engage in land battles. The Romans could have never brought enough manpower in the China Sea for a land battle. The plan i propose works thanks to the lack of a Chinese navy, so that the Romans could have brought only a few dozens ships (some cargo ships like the Corbita, some warships like the Quinquiremes) to control the entire Chinese coast. PS: if you have good documents describing Han ships and fleets, please link them to me.

@@jorehir "A State organized expedition would have easily made it to the China Sea, especially using such outposts" Sorry to disappoint you but forgot to account Quinquireme is not a high sea worthy vessel it's height above sea level is too short, the pacific hurricane and cyclone happen more frequent than the Mediterranean sea getting capsized by the waves or storm is easy under a flat hull. "- You're ill informed about Chinese ships. During the Han reign, they almost exclusively employed fluvial boats (whose dimensions and speed are limited by the river). They pretty much had no blue water fleet, not commercial nor military." Bruh, As far as the Qin dynasty, they sent fleets to search for the "elixir of life", the ones that landed on Japan where later rediscovered and from there on the relation ship of China and Japan was established. Trade with other people like the Austronesians was also established by the 1st century AD and southern Chinese vessels are more ship worthy than you think as these ships have at least 3 or 4 sails and hull shaped like a more V or U shape for high seas travel, greatly influenced by the Austronesian Jong so I doubt they have no commercial fleets or coastal fleets at it's disposal especially for imperial envoys to those places. Compass was invented in 206 so China had an edge in high sea voyages and Austronesian navigators even. Also the early Han literally had multiple campaigns using fleets so I doubt I'm the one I'll informed here, looks like someone needs to come off that high horse of yours. China had naval campaigns as far as the 500BC, Chinese naval history is one of the area that is overlooked in the west but they do have them it's just most of these documents are not translated into English sadly. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_conquest_of_Gojoseon ( conquest of Korea ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_conquest_of_Nanyue ( conquest of Vietnam ) "- The average Late Repubblican warship was actually the Quinquireme. 50-60m in length, 300 rowers, 120 infantrymen, and many artillery pieces (which the Chinese lacked in general). Much larger ships were available." River Junks in China could fit as many as 10,000 crew to 100 crew depend on how wide the river is and the class of tower ship, Sea worthy junk can fit around 700-800, sealed compartments also make it immune to sinking as long as you have multiple compartments to flood for the bulkhead to sink, in times of War the Han can deploy 1000+ Tower ships and 100,000+ troops as river guards in war, so, good luck trying to breach a single river way with 10,000+ to 100,000+ han soldier and hundreds of tower ships holding it, not accounting later reinforcements. bkimg.cdn.bcebos.com/pic/0823dd54564e9258e54bdd439e82d158ccbf4e1b?x-bce-process=image/resize,m_lfit,w_1039,limit_1/format,f_auto ( Tower ship ) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louchuan "I guess you haven't heard of the siege of Masada... " That made me chuckle abit, the dimension of a Chinese wall is 8-30m tall and 7-20m wide at the thinnest compared to a medieval europe wall which is only 2-6m wide and 15m tall at the most, even more ancient wall is only 8-15ms tall but it's still 10-20m wide, that is not talking about basically the whole populace is going to be armed and troops numbering at least more than 100,000+, history is a testament to have indestructible those walls actually are as during WWII the Japanese bombarded the walled city of Nanjing for a week and this is what a Japanese writer recall "We fought our way to Nanking and joined in the attack on the enemy capital in December. It was our unit which stormed the Chunghua Gate. We attacked continuously for about a week, battering the brick and earth walls with artillery, but they never collapsed. The night of December 11, men in my unit breached the wall. The morning came with most of our unit still behind us, but we were beyond the wall. Behind the gate great heaps of sandbags were piled up. We 'cleared them away, removed the lock, and opened the gates, with a great creaking noise. We'd done it! We'd opened the fortress! All the enemy ran away, so we didn't take any fire. The residents too were gone. When we passed beyond the fortress wall we thought we had occupied this city. - Nohara Teishin, on the Japanese capture of Nanjing in 1937" Yea, good luck breaching those walls when even modern artillery took a week and still hasn't manage to breach and only captured it when the defenders left. Masada is like a back drop compared to that of a even a small walled town size in China, not saying the romans won't come up with a way to deal with the Chinese walls but it's going to take a lot of effort to take one without fierce resistance. "The plan i propose works thanks to the lack of a Chinese navy, so that the Romans could have brought only a few dozens ships (some cargo ships like the Corbita, some warships like the Quinquiremes) to control the entire Chinese coast." You would be a terrible general for not collecting enough intel on the foe that is pretty much the same size as you. Good luck pulling that stunt off under the Chinese navy and river fleet.🤔🤣

@@kingwilliams8393 Fine, how are you???

@@ancientsitesgirl I'm good

@@ancientsitesgirl nice to meet you here dear I'm Williams what your name?

@@kingwilliams8393 Irena

@Ancient Sites nice name