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Do you think leviathans will be the main antagonist for mass effect 4

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I do think they should be the main antagonist of a potetial sequel to the games if they ever do it. Them and / or a resurgent Prothean empire lead by Javik.

​@@Cancoillottemanresurgent Prothean empire is an interesting idea but probably an unlikely one. Despite Javiks hard-line warrior like personality, by the end of the game before the charge to the Citadel, you can ask Javik what he wants to do after the war. He will either say he will go to the graves of his fallen brothers and join them (if he sees the memory shard) or he will say that he looks forward to living life during peace time and will even help Liara write a book (if he doesn't see the memory shard). Either way, it doesn't seem like Javik is interested in anymore war, especially after he completes his mission in avenging his people. I definitely think Leviathans being the antagonist is likely though. It would make the most sense in my opinion.

@@aquila519 I agree with you that it makes more sense, I was more thinking of the narrative and emotional strength linked to it. The way i would justify it would be that he finds the information of an entire group of protheans put in cryo-sleep, either be it on the cimetery where his friends are burried or on one of liara's dig sites and disapears from sight to help raise them back. I would organize a trilogy with the Leviathans as the main threats of the first two games (hidden behind indoctrinated either Assari or Turian supremacists in the first game), and present the New Prothean Empire as an untrustworthy ally in the second game, to turn full antagonist on the third game. It would also favor a very emotional facedown between Javik and Shepard in the third game, in which a combination of story choices + an equivalent to the war assets would unlock various endings.

@@aquila519 I know this is just wild speculation but it's fun to think about. What would be your appraoch to a new trilogy mate ?

@@Cancoillotteman oh yeah it's fun to theorize and discuss potential stories and other things about mass effect. Mass effect lore is one of my favorites of any game. Personally, I would go about the new trilogy with the Leviathans as the main antagonist. The Leviathans as stated in the DLC, will still view themselves as superior to the other races despite working with them to destroy the Reapers, and take advantage of the wounded state of the galaxy and try to wage war. I would also bring back Cerberus as either another side antagonist or perhaps even as an ally as a redeemed faction that is focused on the rebuilding of humanity.

That either speaks about your skill, or how truly creepy this bastard is. Or both.

@@somerandomguy.3884Probably both haha. I’m only just learning about these beasts but I must say, they’re easily on par with the brethren moons from Dead Space 3 and it’s DLC Dead Space Awakened, most creepy indeed.

thats lame as fuck. trying to make grade school shit impressive.

@@arthurfleck629 I still think the Moons are creepier. At least the Leviathans aren't omnicidial and can be reasoned with to some degree. That and the Leviathans were actually defeated in the past, the Moons in Dead Space WON in the end once again.

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This is one of the coolest theories I've heard on this

that's such a kickass theory!!!

What would their end game be then?

The problem is why Soverign said "We have always been" so they must have attained sentience sometime during the purges.

"you son of a bitch, i'm in!!"

I wouldn't be surprised if they can directly eat Eezo and use it directly to power such biotics and telepathic abilities. They are after all, the progenitors of all mass effect technology.

maybe they will feature more in the next mass effect

@@jakegibbs9638 i hope it only a little bit i like the thought that we can't understand them not just how alien they are but how advance to the point they themselfs are able to transfers space with nothing but biotics this parts headcannon though like eldritch horror

There is a theroy by a nobel prize winner that states are brains use quantum mechanics, to create our consciousness or is responsible for it. Some scientists don't beleive typical logical gates can explain the human brain, free thought, or our consciousness. They beleive these things called microtubulers are responsible. There are two types A and B, and one of them is responsible for the quantum entangling. I do not remember which one. It is actually great food for thought. Our thoughts are a combination of electrical firing of neurons much like classical computing, and quantum mechanics together into one very efficent brain. Now there are some indirect studies that actually say hey, microtubulers actually might be able to do it. There are also other theroies running with the idea. The indirect study was important and I forgot what it was about. It had nothing to do with the brain. It basically helped defend the quantum conciousness theroy due to the fact people were denying it. Stating how would the brain even be able to transmit any information when quantum computers require near absolute zero tempatures to function or read data. That study sort of gave reasons on how the brain could pull it off. Sabine Hoffman(?) Is a German scientist who does videos on YT. I got most of my information from her, but it has been a bit since I seen the videos. So please correct me. I have only surface abstract information. Cool theroy none the less. I also saw a video stating how smell can be tied to quantum entanglement, and hence the incredible nostalgia it can bring.

Why? Were you……indoctrinated? 😮

Reminiscent of the Flood Gravemind that spoke in verse.

Like there's no emotion, I suppose? And they use the most effective word to describe exactly what they mean to say?

@@bungiecoocoo Exactly.

@@2eleven40 The coldness of the absolute logic they use, however flawed, is a large part of what I'm describing.

@@aurelcorstan5242 The sheer arrogance of considering their thoughts and motives as unfathomable or beyond comprehension really shows they're still as flawed as any temporary (in the meaning as mortal) conscience though. But it certainly adds to their antagonistic depiction

Lol thanks and I do like that idea I hope people get it

@@MetaNerdzLore Oh, Mass Effect fans will get it. No question. While I have your attention, an anecdote: your face reveal was really weird to me. You look quite a bit like a cousin of mine. But you have a very different voice :) Thank you for your great content! Always!

Hubris and pride are so dangerous precisely because they have the power to make smart people do stupid things.

Yeah it is, but have a ton written already

Completely agree. I could reconcile the reapers or the catalyst being at the same time "super" beings and completely idiotic because after all being machines there are things about organics they can never understand and also the unpredictability of organics is something they can't properly deal with, hence why they work so hard to control their development, to make them as predictable pas possible. But Leviathan ? No such excuse. Your plot is great, only thing that's missing IMO is how, how the proto-reapers did manage to win against Leviathan if they were organic enough to be affected by mind control.But I'm sure there could be ways around it. And your point Nb1, I always thought that it was probably half of the reason why they they were so bothered by their slaves making AI. I also always thought that probably not all AI destroyed their creators but that's the excuse they went with and the one they tell us because it makes them look better in our eyes.

The illusive man's past is a fun look through

thanks for the comment!

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Probably not. Only a hand full of them actually still exist.

@@christophergroenewald5847 that we know of, well I thinks it’s ether them or evil EDI

@@user-os9gq1yt9ithe destroy ending is the canon. So can’t be edi, she died with the rest of the synthetics.

I think Bioware is the main enemy of ME4.

Yeah have a ton planned

u know around what time? i just skimmed through again and i didnt catch any

Nah

I agree with most of your post, only one I would argue against is how Leviathans were wiped out by and AI because they can destroy a reaper with a thought. They can do so because reapers are made in part with organic material so their telepathy works on them, but on a 100% machine there is no organic mind to control Still doesn't negate the fact that I don't see how the catalyst managed to take down the race almost to extinction.

Both are still around

DLC I forget the name

It's in ME3 in the Leviathan DLC.

for sure I really want to make a video on how the mental aspect is at the core, and it is all done so subtle and perfect at times, this is in part why the Shepard is indoctrinated theory is great, but I keep seeing little details to add to that for a future video

@@MetaNerdzLore it's sad that before the "extended cut DLC" that the indoctrination theory made more sense than the actual ending. While I loved the DLC for that game, I still feel like in a weird way we were cheated by not having the indoctrination theory as canon.

Maybe the hottest mass effect take aside from saying Andromeda was good. Hard disagree

I agree. I cannot think of a plausible evolutionary tree that would lead to them either. Their existence is absurd as well as their actions.

Yeah. Never seen a big bad yet that became better by having its origins explained.

​@@hideousruinThe Flood in Halo comes to mind.

I tend to agree part of what made the reapers scary was the unknown. Like any Eldridge lovecraftian horror

i hate this take so much, one of your main goals throughout all of the games is learning MORE about the reapers. worldbuilding is based and the Leviathans did it well, and its arguably one of the most fun and different missions in the game.

Yeah it is you literally have the main guy say it's cthulu time right before he cthulus all over the place

As meta said you cthulhu all over the place

another one this is just lore! they dont need element zero because that is what they use to commune! natural occourence of it throughout their bodies is what gives them psycic powers! (oh he is trying not to spoil things for the achievement hunters out there i just thought everyone knew since it would naturally come if you played the game but 5.3 percent of gamers have achieved this! is really low)

wow not becoming the one true god in this game is just wrong! 0.02 pct of players!

the paradox of ai is that it would forever stagnate if not inspired by the strugles of biological life! it might be sentient! but it has no imagination! it cannot dream untill it gets a soul the first paradox of true sentient ai! if it can't dream it is still just a machine and is dependent on the biologicals in this universe to evolve!

you can give it a soul in this game and become a true god yourself because you are the soul! still humans being humans would never pick that option thats why we 3 where the only ones!