Mass Effect's Nomadic Species - The Quarians | Full Mass Effect Lore 

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yes happy to see more MASS. always been my favorite scifi and why I found the channel. ^_^ Hoping the next ME is good and not just a "Andromeda 2".

Where did it say that the supporters were being killed by the geth? From what I understood the government killed the supporters and the geth proceeded to wage war

Similar to how the krogan treat the genophage matter, most quarians like to stress the fact that they were on the receiving end of a near-genocide at the hands of the geth. While that is true, they often completely disregard or downplay the fact that they tried to commit genocide on the geth first, for the sole reason of them gaining consciousness, despite still being peaceful. The geth then defended themselves and even let them escape in the end. Most of the time, they justify this stance via disregarding the geth as an actual lifeform. Tali: The geth drove us from our homeworld! Admiral Koris: Of course they did. We tried to kill them.

@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un The problem with that is that it's also not true that the Quarian government attempted genocide; the Geth committed it. Before asserting that the Geth let them go, they did so when only a million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system. They didn't pursue them because they didn't know the consequences of annihilating an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react. Therefore, they decided to be isolationists and essentially shape the rest of the galaxy's perception based on what they exhibited during the genocide. In other words, if they had known that eliminating them wouldn't have consequences, they would have done it. The Geth didn't leave a quarter; they left less than that. Furthermore, there's a huge difference between the Geth and basically any other race: the Geth are not individuals; they don't know individuality. While I agree on self-defense, we shouldn't portray them as if they didn't know what they were doing. The Geth targeted civilians, innocents, and killed billions, something that even Legion doesn't deny. They didn't just kill the responsible ones. The Geth complain about their reputation, but isolating themselves for 300 years and killing even those who had nothing to do with the conflict tarnished their reputation.

@@SomeTuberr The person above must be referring to the novels following Mass Effect 3, especially one from Andromeda featuring a woman who lived through the war. It portrays that the geth didn't just target those against them or neutral parties, but they reached a point where they started attacking indiscriminately. Honestly, it kinda makes sense. I wouldn't really take the geth consensus as the 'canon' version, because it's riddled with inconsistencies and seems to overly glorify the geth, especially when Legion already revealed their actions in Mass Effect 2, even reiterating it on Tuchanka, which is supported by characters who lived through that era, like the asari whose daughter was killed by the geth.Also, we know from Legion in the third game that even though they claim they don't lie, they can manipulate or withhold information And before anyone brings it up, there's nothing wrong with the geth presenting their perspective, but Mass Effect 3 doesn't really present it that way. The game seems to be trying to evoke sympathy for the geth, almost like it's propaganda Ignoring things that were already confirmed. It may also be that the consensus ended up like this because Mass Effect 2 and 3 only have a 2-year difference between them. The game came out so quickly that they brought in new writers, and it shows with several subplots and their endings.

@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un Yeah, I'm totally in favor of them getting a shot at life, but let's be honest, the Council's decision-making is questionable at best. The Council would have forced them to dismantle or be invaded. So, it's hard to believe they would have come up with better solutions. I mean, just take a look at the Citadel Archives. The Council gives its Spectres the green light to commit genocides, and they didn't hesitate to shut down their AIs when they started becoming too self-aware. The thing with the geth version is, it's just not that believable. They paint the geth as these peaceful victims who always wanted to talk to the galaxy, which totally contradicts what we've seen in the other games and novels. Take Legion, for example. He's the first geth in centuries to try to talk to us, and that was mainly because of the Reaper threat. They were so scared that they started scanning dark space with a giant telescope. And yet, they weren't exactly welcoming. I think there's a part where a quarian guy named Shio tries to communicate with them and ends up fleeing for his life, then comes back and tries to talk to them only for the same thing to happen. And let's not forget, in the other games, they've always been hostile to anyone who tries to communicate with them. They never bothered to engage in dialogue with anyone who approached them. And wiping out almost the entire quarian population? That's another level. They pretty much wiped out 99.9% of them, which means most of those people were innocent civilians. Sure, the quarians started the war, but the geth didn't just defend themselves; they went to kill. Defending yourself is one thing, but what they did? That's another level.

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Is it a betrayal? What if you never really tried to trust Legion and just did his loyalty quests and the side missions of Rannoch? All those objectives serve to save quarian lives as well. Having an AI (important because they are more vulnerable to indoctrination than organics, which we've seen are severely weak to it anyway) ask you to download reaper upgrades to EVERY Geth is a huge unreasonable risk that we can only make because we have the benefit of knowing "Paragon good".

​​@@clarencewalters338Well actually it was the fake legion because the real legion was "killed" in me2. But the other point is I don't like artifical intelligence. It's no real life and I don't think it has a place in this world. Certainly not in the sense that we should treat dead things like it's alive. So actually I am kind of a biological life supremacist if you want call it like that. In my second playthrough Legion was "alive" and I reluctantly went with the decision the game wanted me to make. But if tali had requested to kill legion and destroy the geth that would have been my decision. They Paragon renegade sytem is probably the biggest weakness of me in general, because it's way to simplistic. We really shouldn't view the world as black and white, because ilife is Always grey.ish. and Game developers should be less riskaware and explore our Grey Nature much more. That's more interesting and more realistic.

@@bluewizzard8843 I'm not an organic supremacist, however I was paying attention to background information. All info points to Reaper tech ALWAYS being a bad idea to use. Vigil states(based on several 10s of centuries of data mind you) that Synthetic organisms succumb to the effects of indoctrination easier than organics because they're code that can be reprogrammed, whereas a sapient organic organism requires time and careful cultivation. So despite my liking Legion, at the time it appeared he was going to make the fundamental mistake of using Reaper tech I naturally assumed he was either indoctrinated or in the process of succumbing to it. Legion absolutely REFUSED this very idea, it's what he was trying to stop during his loyalty mission. Without the knowledge of future events and game mechanics, the responsible choice even if you sympathize with the Geth is to make the decision that saves the most life as we currently know it.

May i ask what the name of this species is? I’ve been working on a shared universe kind of thing, where each story comes from a different author, but is set in the same galaxy. I could send you some notes, if you like

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That policy is not set forever, only when the fleet's resources are very stressed, and even when the population decreases, incentives are given to those who have more children

Yeah javik talked about the quarians as if he met many in his life time.

The Protheans used to eat the flesh of intelligent races including humans, krogan, salarians, and they researched other races. It's no wonder the asari became a power due to the gifts and Prothean technology that their species kept hidden from other races@@rdf4315

@@rdf4315im sure he met many 😏

The reason why is explained in game though. To quote Sovereign "Your society develops along the lines we desire." Because races in the Mass Effect universe become reliant on the mass relays and the citadel, they are effectively going down a technological and developmental road designed to make them easier to harvest when the Reapers arrive. If you were to pitch the Reapers against other sci fi factions, they wouldn't do nearly as well because they would lose those advantages.

I would imagine there military strategies are like how animals fight in packs. Because they are technically indestructible in mass effect they can just get up close and rip a ship apart

The rule one child is only where there are Big problems with the fleet resources

Although to be honest, I believe that if that remaining million hadn't escaped, the Geth would have killed them. Legion explains it was a logical decision rather than a moral one, fearing how other races would act. Coupled with their extreme isolationism to the point of firing at diplomatic ships, I wouldn't blame anyone for not seeing them as friendly. In fact, I think Legion was the first non-hostile Geth in 300 years

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To be honest, I doubt that the council would have allowed it, and the genocide committed by the Geths was brutal.

It's maintained for periods of time; when the population increases too much to the point that resources become scarce, they establish the law, but when it's over, they deactivate it

Well maybe they need to actually shrunk. They have to live in a fleet so it's maybe necessary to become fewer to keep the fleet itself more sutainable. Ships are expensive and with zero planets to exploit, their ressources must be severly limited.

Yeah she definitely is she is thick as a bowl of grits .