I am very stupid, I got the dates wildly wrong... an extra sentence of context would have fixed this mistake in editing. The point is though, that people have been arguing that some of these cities are from before Gobekli Tepe - rock is impossible to date, and the inception of some of these complexes is ambiguous. There are complexes that are believed to be at least 4,000 years old, but it is not established fact that there are complexes dating to the ice age. I say 8th Century multiple times, when I mean to say 8th Millenia - Oops. The oldest underground city in Turkey BEGAN construction 10,000 years ago, but there is no reason to believe it held 20,000 people back then. Likely the city was expanded over thousands of years.
I'm glad you came back and started making videos more often I get excited every time I see you drop a new one. One of my favorite and one of the best channels on RU-vid hands down bro! Keep em coming!
The ORIGINAL city is around 10 000 years old - but was only in the soft volcanic rocks and not multileveled yet. It got expanded at several points in time leading to what it is now. It wasn't an expansive city being big enough to shelter 20 000 people 10 000 years ago. But that doesn't take away how fascinating thousands of years old underground complexes are.
@@armouredskepticSeriously, "i didn't describe the history very well". In a video where you claim "history is a lie" right in the title and you can't get the history part right, wtf? That is a huge blow to any credibility you claim to have.
@@unkledoda420 Well, at least he admits it. Unlike many actual scam artists out there he doesn't take himself too seriously. I get your frustration though, I also get annoyed sometimes about how much bullshit pseudo archaeology/history/science is out there.. and many people being so gullible they're willing to believe the most absurd crap.
There is precisely zero hard evidence that this is true. This is entirely speculation by archeologists and institutions. In addition, any carbon dates they obtained are the latest possible dates, not the earliest, because obviously animals and people could have occupied the structure well after it was built. In other words, this is copium. We do not have any idea how old this is. Whatsoever.
Watched this as you launched this morning, which was a first. Glad you see addressing this issue as this is completely a global puzzle. The (forgive the spelling) Shen Yeu caves… I wonder if these were a part of this or carved out much later? The incredibly sophisticated manner in which the stones was carved is rather remarkable. Bara badhur in India showcases mirror like walls of geometric perfection also. The Hypogeum supposedly allows an individual to self generate specific tonal frequencies that stimulate the human brain. The deep caverns found and rumoured throughout Mexico and central and South America, they all point toward mankind “emerging.” Underground cities built for survival going back back and back and caves and caverns of spectacular sophistication and vision that our modern tech is barely able to comprehend. Layers and layers of questions and all of it impossible to accurately date due to stone. It’s a huge picture that has been fractured into oddly shaped puzzle shards and academia refuses to look beyond the scope of “arbitrarily” established borders of any one piece. It’s the 2D universe incapable of seeing beyond the walls of their self imposed walls… but our world is far more interconnected. Love what you’ve been doing, Bud.
I worked with stone when I was a mason, It's not impossible but I can't imagine having to haul out stone fragments for hundreds of meters with minimal light. I wonder how many more ancient cities are under the ground and nobody is the wiser
@@scottc1857 oil lamps are pretty damn old, but even still why assume they used light? They could use mirrors down the shafts too. While babylon seems to have been the birthplace of cooked food as standard as we know it that doesn't mean they did 10,000 years ago there or all the time. That's assuming you know what to look for with ash on rock in those conditions over 10,000 years. They probably ate bugs and raw animals more like tribes do.
@@mandowarrior123 yes... People that constructed literal underground cities that had tunnels connected to other underground cities dozens of miles away didn't know how to cook food... Are you listening to yourself?
@@mandowarrior123 Homo erectus knew how to cook food a million and a half years ago. The amount of tribal people that couldn't make fired in the neolithic era would have been slim to none and would have starved to death in all but the most fertile of lands.
Even if not, there were other megafauna we have proof of that would have terrorized mankind and required megalithic building techniques to avoid being stampede or hunted to extinction.
@@TheRotnflesh You just made me realize that the obliteration of megafauna probably played a factor in mankind being able to evolve into the technological age
@@vitopettito1689 Great point! And another consideration in why we never saw 'planes, trains, and automobiles'...at least not as we see them today in heavily purified elemental alloys and purified fuels. They may have had 'stone' constructions and used harmonics to levitate them, such as ultrasonics. Primitive humans weren't stupid: Give people enough safe time and they will develop something spectacular and clever.
As an 11 year old boy, one summer break, I dug out a 3 room fort in to the walls of the creek on the back 40. I used simple hand tools, that a young boy could get their hands on; a couple hand trowels, spade shovel, a claw hammer, couple of chisels and my favorite tool of all, a rock with one sharp end. I spent about 10 hours a day, over 3 months. I had and entry room, a sitting room and a room I could lay down in. I was just a single bored boy, it isn't hard to imagine what a whole society of adults with nothing better to do, could do.
One thing about massive complexes like that which I think is worth considering is that it may not all have been built at once. It would, of course, be an unbelievable task to carve out all of a massive underground city in one go. But if it started small and then expanded gradually as new rooms were needed, it becomes a lot less daunting, I think.
Exactly, and I think a lot of the hard questions like "how did they know to ventilate smoke from torches and cooking fires" came from this iterative process as well. At first, they didn't know, but then through trial and error, they figured things out when they were still small. Before machines, every job was done by people. You could have had teams of workers at every well (which appeared to go through several rooms) fanning air through the wells, using them as vents while people cooked. This airflow would also keep the facilities more cool and comfortable in the summer.
Have you seen those ancient underground structures in China? They’re absolutely mind blowing. It looks like they were made with some very advanced technology. You should check them out if you haven’t seen them. I only bring them up because I’m surprised you didn’t mention them in this video. Thanks for the great content as always.
@@armouredskeptic Yeah, that’s them. If you look at the ceiling it has some crazy scoop marks all the way through like it was made with a tech we don’t understand - very interesting.
@@mayhem2288we do understand it. It looks like heavy mining equipment. The same marks are made today by some underground excavators. Confirmed by numerous miners, and I personally showed the pics without context to a 75 year old hard rock miner here in my town...he immediately talked about how it looked like such and such machine, but the marks look like it was customized a bit, probably to account for the height and shape they wanted for the work.
Armoured Skeptic ! There is a structure found to be even more *ancient* than Göbeklitepe and Keçelitepe ! They claim to found a pyramid in Indonesia more than 27 thousand years old! Check it out! Many humanoid species even terror birds living in the same time zone and people already started to built things!
@@armouredskeptic There are some objections towards it of course. But they said the exact same thing about Gobeklitepe too. I highly recommend you to check that news out!
North american and eurasian tectonic plates are prone to earthquakes, liquefaction (or "mudfloods", as some say) and flooding. Water freezes and reduces in volume, but keeps the same mass, and then floats as ice because of trapped air in the ice. So when the fresh meltwater pouring into the arctic from Canada, Greenland and Russia finally cause the big Beauford Gyre freezing event, the NA tectonic plate will be pushed down because of Pacific and Eurasian waters pouring in.. Alaska and Siberia go under (and get some new permafrost, and more animals snap freeze with grass in their mouths). Expect massive earthquakes and volcanic dust worldwide. The amount of displacement required to sink Alaska and Siberia under ice is massive. I think, even Doggerland and New Zealandia will return from the watery depths because of the Arctic and Antarctic sucking up all the extra watery mass of the planet + all the freezing. The world will be very cold, and full of volcanic ash that will choke and kill nearly all life.
Geomagnetic Excursions, cataclysms. We have escaped extinction through iur ingenuity; we as a species (from 2 million years ago until today, throughout all of our physical iterations) have been pretty clever at avoiding complete extinction for a very, very long time. The next geomagnetic excursion is already underway, as Earth's magnetic field weakens and the poles are drifting towards each other faster every year. Current models put them meeting in the Indian Ocean by 2050. It will be just as catastrophic as ancient times: spotty magnetic field protection, heavy ion precipitation events, and coronal mass ejection striking the surface. The ancients 12,000 years ago had a different paradigm of technology. It was most likely a geodetic powered technology (Earths standing electromagnetic waves) and harvested heavy production durong solar maxima, during the time when the Earth system is overcharged by solar ejections. Geophysics in the modern day is very infantile; we have very little data yet, but this solar maximum is givong us all sorts of data: both in solar functions, and how the Earth system interacts with the outpit from the sun.
If I found an underground city under my house, I'd keep it a secret except maybe with close friends. My house just got a whole lot bigger. I am NOT ruining that.
there are a few assumptions im not a fan of 1. wells and cisterns arent advanced, neither is ventilation, that has been discovered in above ground and below ground settlements for over 10,000 years 2. how do you know it's their first try? what if there are dozens of previous attempts which have collapsed or otherwise failed that either haven't been discovered, haven't been published, or simply isnt written much about 3. there are plenty of mundane reasons to build and live underground besides hiding from some sort of danger, many middle eastern and south western American underground cities almost definitely exist to hide from the sun and desert temperatures, and the best food preservation without electricity or salt is to store it underground i like underground cities and they are an interesting topic, but they just aren't that special, they are common, ancient, and relatively simple, they just seem "advanced" since they are building in a very different environment than most people, and need unfamiliar design features to accommodate it
Passing thought, but this reminded me of that story about the entrances on the Sphinx that allegedly leads down to "void" based on the very little info we have since Egypt seems to not let anyone explore, could it be possible that they lead to an underground city?
Iirc there are 2 cisterns under the sphinx, they could just be water storage or it could have had a ritual (sensory deprivation to induce visons) or possibly a technological purpose. I have seen a few videos on water memory experiments by the Japanese and it makes me wonder if somehow ancient humans could have known about these properties and used it as a way to compile and store important info of the time. most likely wild speculation but it would be cool.
ez. The caves were already there naturally so you just need to extend/dig them more. Protection from sun, heat, animals, other tribes, elements. What else would you want ?
Hey. Retired radio guy here. First time on your channel. Just gotta say (as an old school "trained professional"): Great pipes, dude! Don't hear very many guys with this gift any more.
1:10 cause building underground is how you survive a solar flare like what dun gone melted the last ice age in a week. People hid in mountain caves... might as well skip it and live in the shelter.
I have been scratching my head over this for a few years now too. And I also go "hmm" when I think about all the trouble it would save people all over the world if we had underground living space in case of all kinds of challenging conditions. Maybe some elite people have a deal with whoever lives in the already hollow pockets in the planet Earth and "we" agreed not to intrude too much except for mining which they get some of the goodies from. I think about Malta and the scary story that woman told about seeing really big (blind?) White fur covered people that beckoned to her from across a chasm deep under Malta before her candle went out. I am so happy that you are still making these videos. They are one of my favorite things to watch here on the interwebs.
You raise a lot of really great questions, like, ARE you Daft Punk? I mean, you're only one guy but MAYBE you're a member of them? The helmet doesn't match but...what if you changed your style before you lost your memory? How DID you lose your memory and why does that memory loss only effect your name and who you are, but you still remember Daft Punk and that they have helmets like they do? It boggles the mind, man!
It's because the flood right? Edit1: I knew it. Edit2: These underground cities are deep, but not as deep as Gregs voice. I love your videos deep voice daddy!
Underground citys in Turkey make sense cause of the earthquakes. Underground structures are really good earthquake protection cause they move withe the crust.
*watches graham hancock once Jk this was awesome. Thank you for highlighting this stuff! Absolutely incredible mysteries to human history. I'm curious why it seems like certain points of authority are against us learning more about it...
Love this series. Favourite thing on RU-vid. The thing with digging holes though is it does tend to get out of hand.. an underground liar is never really done when you have infinite space in every direction. I think even in modern times there's a few examples of men starting on a subterranean domain and just being consumed with the desire to dig ever deeper.
Darenkuyu Turkey was built by an ancient king who was instructed by their "god" Ahura Mazda to build a shelter to save the people from the EVIL WINTER ( a nuclear winter , after the "gods" bombed Sodom and Gomorrah and wiped out Sumer )
Because if you happen to live in an area where the rock is easy to carve tunnles into it makes little sense to build dwellings by conventional means. Lots of theses sites were dug out of soft volcanic rock and sand stone. Under ground dwellings can remain cool, with good ventilation and fuel theyre easy to warm, you are out of the way of predators, or other groups of people who may want to steal your stuff and get all stabby. There could be a lack of materials suitable for construction. There are numerous reasons why people would choose to live under ground. Stop fucking Occum with his razor.
Pretty sure it's volcanic tuff and not limestone. It's soft and easy to carve but yeah still a monumental undertaking just to remove it. Also being soft they would have to be very careful in construction to avoid collapses. Obviously they knew what they were doing... which DOES seem odd for ancient supposedly primitive people.
The city at Derinkuyu was fully formed in the Byzantine era, when it was heavily used as protection from Arab Muslims during the Arab-Byzantine wars (780-1180 CE). In 1923, the Christian inhabitants of the region were expelled from Turkey and moved to Greece in the population exchange between Greece and Turkey, whereupon the tunnels were abandoned. I can see why this channel has fallen off so much, all of this is one search away. People have lived there forever, it absolutely makes sense that it is complex and was expanded over and over. Also if you're living in the stone age, what is easier carving out rock, taking it up and living in that hole, or doing the same, but then having to build stone houses with stone age tech?
You really underestimate “primitive” human beings… 10k years ago was a long time, but I’m sure we were smart enough to coordinate the planning of an underground city (or any city) to suit the community… as for the moving of rocks, idk, but ants have been doing that even longer… team work makes a difference lol
4:07 i was actually thinking conflict/war with other neighboring civilizations. but now that you mention it, "Massive Global Disaster" DOES also make a lot of sense. 18:28 i must say, the ceiling line on a lot of these ancient cities is really quite low. too low for any Giants to live comfortably in there. but hold on. if there were giants back then, and they were men of renown... what did they gain renown for? were the giants, fearsome warriors perhaps? seems likely. in many depictions of giants, they're often depicted with massive wooden clubs. even if this is fictional, artistic license even: it could still be based on some cultural memory. it would also explain why we developed such a propensity for war. why we developed weapons, etc. to fend against the Giant oppressors. our species survived, there's did not. perhaps these underground cities were not built for mere "shits & giggles". you brought up how tough it would've been living in these conditions. without proper lighting, plumbing, or refrigeration. perhaps we didn't live underground out of choice, but instead as a survival mechanism. while we were busy huddling under the Earth, the giants would've ruled the surface. perhaps they grew complacent. and when the flood came, it wiped them all out. leaving us with a "New World" to conquer for ourselves. we built the massive underground cities out of necessity. meanwhile the giants built pyramids, to scrape the sky and maybe even "mock god", as it were. the story of the human spirit is not one of triumph over evil. it's one of survival.
Dude, what happened to you? You were THE armored sceptic! Now youve devolved to... to a dude not even worth debunking... I like the first videos from the series, always though they were like a test for us, to see if We are sceptic enough and not just following you like sheep. But that was two, three, how many years ago?! The audience has left you, witch I presume means that the test was successful, but you continue on this path? What happened dude?
Why would people carve cities of stone underground instead of building cities of stone on the surface? Well, where would they get the stone for the cities on the surface? Quarries are one option, sure. But perhaps sometimes it makes more sense to carve out a cave complex little by little over generations. The basement in turkey you mention, for example. The city is up there, the tunnels are down here. Don't have to go out of town to get it, branching tunnels sounds like a mine. I mean... Or maybe let's say you have a city that is under siege often. You might dig under it for stone to build a wall. You could collect this stone to build and fortify the wall even during times of siege, cause it's right there. The tunnels and caves themselves could have strategic value as well. Maybe the tunnels come before the wall. You can hide in them to shelter from invaders, or hide and retake when they've dropped their guard. And you figure, why not build a wall with all this stone we've got from digging these tunnels. And in terms of straight mining, you might build quarters and facilities to facilitate the mining operation. Cause miners will be down there awhile. Why build a village on the surface they have to return to everyday when the very act of mining is creating shelter as you're going? Just carve out some rooms and bunks. You're imagining these are things planned and intricately plotted from day one for a specific purpose. I'd argue that they are improvised as they go, and are built over long spans of time as part of something much more mundane. And there are plenty examples in the modern era besides nuclear bunkers and such. A ton of major cities, and smaller cities, offer underground tours of whole underground cities that the main city has either been built on top of, or has been carved out from under the city for illicit reasons. Often a combination of both. In my neck of the woods alone, Portland, Seattle and Astoria all host such undergrounds. Chicago and New York have them too. Obviously Europe has a lot of them, with a wide range of ages. It seems less a case of "why do they all seem to be ten thousand years old?" And more of a case of "these have been made in many eras, including today, with some of the oldest being ten-thousand years old". Looking more broadly and practically may dispell a larger mystery, but seems like there are a bunch more smaller mysteries you get in exchange.
Nomadic horse lords ruining your shit was the main problem since the beginning of settled civilization. Underground cities are a really easy way to deal with them until they fuck off. A thousand guys on horses will wreck a city of 15k easily, but things look much different if you force them off the horses and into a narrow corridor. Likely started by digging up rock to build city walls to defend from the nomads, but it only takes one smart person to be like "maybe if we dig smarter, we can also have a backup plan". They likely were designed to only be lived in for as long as a siege would last, not as permanent dwellings.
I think it was probably cold back then. They have underground cities up in Canada. It is warm in these even when it is deadly cold up on the surface. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than oxygen so it sinks into these. This keeps it plenty warm and it stays warm longer than it would up on the surface. They must have had a growing season at least in some parts of the world. And I am sure there are other reasons for making these.
Haven't you said that people were just as intelligent back then as they are now? If I lived in the stone age I could totally see myself spending half my life digging tunnels into my property for cold storage and defense. Hell, I dug a tunnel in my property for that reason a couple decades ago
Sing that you didn't educate yourself about the caves that there are over 200 of that you keep quoting in Turkey without understanding that the well water was there and there were gas pockets of natural gas and ventilation and all of that and how the whole system works and you're thinking it will just living in a dark cave and that's it, that tells me you literally just basically learned about this like in the last couple days and through this video together cuz you don't have more than 2 hours worth of education on what you're talking about
The UK built underground facilities, if you will, very extensively into Gibraltar during WW2. And they were really just extending existing tunnels. The earliest excavations were in the 1780s, but it really took over at the end of the 19th century, and then even more massive efforts were put in right before and during WW2. I think they even did some Cold War era expansions. An entire infantry division worth of troops could be easily housed in the underground facilities for well over a year without resupply. It's damned impressive.
It's totally possible and very probably that people living around the younger dryas had more knowledge and technology than we currently understand today. There is far more we don't know than we do when it comes to the history of humans.
We have no idea how these cities were made, and often, we barely have the technology to achieve it today, if we're even able to do so today. But somehow people always just assume humans made all of this. "Our greatest achievement", yet no evidence at all that "we" made any of it.
What if a similar city is under skinwalker ranch dont know if youve kept up on the weird stuff their and hiw theirs soming huge under ground just to far form them to get to
Mud flood. Global in scale. Mass resets happen all the time. That was just another one we have clear evidence for. Never mind the giant Nephalim bodies and heads you can find petrified all over the Earth. Each reset, the sophistication of the architecture depreciates. Today, our architecture is abysmally simple in design, artistic, and quality of construction. From materials to scale it is superior to all that we utilize today.
I think there's two things at play here. The first is that we underestimate the capabilities of our ancestors and what they could do, the fact that they traveled as far as they did and seemed to populate the entire planet is incredible in and of itself given that they couldn't even make metal. The second is that caves are going to be better preserved inherently than anything on the surface, so it's impossible to know if there was an equally impressive structure of these that was simply destroyed or taken by the sands of time. Unfortunately, the lack of a written record makes it impossible to ever truly know.
If I were the one to have found Darenkuyu, I would never have told anybody about it! That would be my new secret space in the home, my man cave as it were😅
Don't forget, the reason they call it younger dryas is because of the fact that a younger dryas is a plant or weed, that only grows in arctic temperatures. A lot of dryas was found in soil samples that dated around 12,000 years ago.
My first thoughts are that these locations are mines converted to living spaces after other structures were built. Or they were built on purpose with the benefit of escaping the hot summers.
Ok, so I am still coming back to Planet X causing the great green Aurora, 10k years ago, that spawned religion, fear and owrship of the sun, heaven and hell, and the departure of the denovians that ran Atlantis under the antarctic ice cap that had partially melted from the event.
How I see this, it's like an immobile Noah's ark made out of the montain. How far is Turkey from Mt. Ararat ? I'm atheist or whatever, btw. With a Christian Pentecostal background. Interesting video ! 😀
Crazy thing is we don't really know if what we call Mount Ararat is actually Mount Ararat, there has been a lot of doubts in regards to this being the completely wrong mountain.
Maybe it's not for living, but for burying. Recreating living conditions as a burial culture is fairly common in the world. It is indeed a wonder that antient people built these cities even as a burial ground
