She's the perfect example of peak fatherlessness ... clearly has never had a positive male role model in her life. Most probably a string of horrendous boyfriend's of her "empowered" single mom
And that's not all! You also get.... entitled, know-it-all, needs-to-be-right, interruptive, selfish, dishonest, value system that changes with the wind - the more you listen to them, the more one realizes that Eve was the apple, the woman was the F'n snake.
But unfortunately, there are a lot of men that spew lies, and make women believe that their intentions are may be a committed relationship when in fact, they know that all they’re doing is speaking lots of falsehood in order to get in her pants. And sometimes women literally are too naïve to recognize the difference. Until they’re fooled. Women believe they’re making the right choices sometimes but they get tricked. Just like men get tricked at times to times too.
If a 304 makes rules for you but didn't make rules for guys in the past, she perceives you as the "nice-guy." You might as well cut her loose and move on.
yeah i dont know why this topic is even worth bryan and andrew's time thought and energy. this a simple open and shut case. i can't even understand what andrew is even struggling with
@@0biwan7 For Andrew, it is Because he wants women (or just people in general) to have less intercourse. So in this situation, she is doing the good (abstinence) but she is only doing it for a selfish reason that is not based on virtue. For Andrew, it is basically "is the virtuous action still good if it is done for opportunistic reasons?" If Andrew was an 'the ends justify the means' person, he would simply say it is good, because they are having less intercourse out of wedlock.
@@Xenozillex are you saying this is a bit like when feminists get uncomfortable when frat boys support the pro-choice movement so that they can avoid the consequences of their escapades? and now the 304s become born again virgins and start promoting waiting for marriage to have intercourse which gives andrew a problem.
@@Jk-fw5ut Nothing wrong with what you said. But, I don't think Andrew is arguing this to defend Brian. I think he is arguing it to display the absurdity of hookup culture as a whole. I guarantee that Andrew would actually approve of a woman's decision to stop 304ing herself out to every guy that buys her a drink. So, this entire conversation, while it isn't Andrew's fight, is still a valid way to point out to the audience that hookup culture is bad, not just in a virtuous or moral way, but in a logical way.
It's a game to control you. If she's not playing a game it comes naturally. Most of the time it's not gonna be a first date but a guy knows when a girl is playing a game. You want to feel comfortable on both sides but once the comfort zone is there.. then it becomes a problem.
It's seems that they have no sense of intrinsic virtue or morals. They are like a troop of Chimpanzees who groom their companions not because they genuinely want to help their companion, they just know that it's the path to form alliances and power structures, tools to manipulate the troop to their advantage. They simply can't comprehend true virtue. It's a reflection of the faux virtue of the modern day.
That’s OUR logic on the man side. They live in a world of fantasy. And they often mis-understand the male viewpoint. In THEIR eyes, they think by making you wait, will make them look better in YOUR eyes. But it doesn’t. They are thinking, “Oh he’s gonna know I must really like him if I make him wait.” ^That’s 304logic.
Didn't we use to call women that have sex on the first date whores? and not wife material so why would a high-value man who sees a woman give herself easily not raise a red flag and not want to date her just only use her and dump her. Any father should teach their daughter self-control, dignity and self-respect if they want to build a family with someone.
Exactly. They've been through nothing. They're just getting brain damaged from being on social media 11 hours a day. It's the video content that's hurting them lol
@@Triple7000 No, they have PTSD, that part is true. And that development of PTSD is why we tell them they should never get on the carousel. Women need to understand that the more partners they have the more ruined they are and if they hit double digits they are past broken and not able to form a functional relationship. Women like to compare and comparison is the thief of joy and happiness. She does have PTSD and it destroys all her relationships.
JFC this x a bajillion. It’s game-playing, and that’s all it is. And that’s why these 304s need to ‘heal’ because their sportsmanship on the playing field has gotten them giant Ls and they just can’t seem to make a straight like of consciousness between points A and B.
These podcasts are really opening a lot of men's eyes. They see other men getting decimated by feminist crap, divorce-grape courts, everyone in their children's lives, and they see this and a F'n atomic light bulb goes off - they had NO idea of just how utterly evil, selfish, entitled, narcissistic, and manipulative so many western women actually are.
not necessarily. when brad goes mgtow no one notices or cares and brad quietly lives his best life. when chad goes mgtow, people kick up a big fuss, and give chad a grape accusation. hell hath no fury like a w scorned
Here's my experience: First relationship at 16 - got cheated on. Second relationship at 19 - got cheated on. Third relationship at 23 - got extra cheated on (with at least 4 dudes). All three told me I am too perfect. Okay then, I went on a rampage after third one, easily fcked over 50 of them, treated them like shit and they kept flocking on me no matter what. Had enough of meaningless sex, got into fourth relationship at 26 - was told I'm perfect and she can't wait to marry me and have kids - got engaged - got cheated on. Now I'm single for past 4 years, I don't do hookups anymore, I am so tired of modern women but I enjoy my solitude. And the worst part is, I am from Serbia - a supposedly Christian and traditional country. Our girls are "Americanized" and I hate it.
@@0biwan7I despise that ludicrous quote, That’s a very dumb quote just saying. Hell is far worse than anything you’d experience on this planet let alone a woman’s anger.
Women got too many unrealistic expectations and the only people that can meet those are the ones who lies, they end up only giving opportunities to liars and later on thinks all men are liars...
When these women turn 30, they suddenly realise they have been ragged through by a huge number of guys and after that they want to settle down with a traditional average guy whom they avoided their whole 20's.
The worst part for modern women is that they have been surrounded by women as their voice of influence for over 15 years in the absence of men. Just take this clip for instance it’s only 15 minutes and if a girl was in that room for just 15 minutes around the bad thoughts and opinions, her mind will be corrupted … now multiply that by 15 years, that’s the problem with modern women. Women need men around them to guide them with logic and discipline.
dozens of average traditional guys still want her when she is 30. the problem is that she still looks down on these average guys with disdain and thinks they are beneath her. and so either she keeps them in the friendzone or she settles and she hates herself and him. and he eventually figures this out and now he has to either show some self respect and end the toxic relationship or put up with it thus proving he actually deserves her contempt.
When a man turns 30 he suddenly realizes he’s over having meaningless sex with women he deems 304s. So he starts looking for the virgin women that weren’t giving it up and calls them special
Yeah they are overflowing with Dunning Krueger hardcore....there is no way on earth I would ever believe the nonsense and stupidity and be told they're smarter than men.....bahahahahaha biggest lie ever told, women smarter hahahahahaha camt make this shit up!
I think it was Dr. Kevin Samuels, God rest his soul, who gave a great analogy: A hot dog stand is advertising $1 hot dogs and you're hungry so you get in line. There's, let's say, 20 people in front of you, and they all get their dollar dogs. You get to the front and the vendor says "Congratulations, you're lucky customer #21! You get your hot dog for $15!" That's what women are doing when they make the good guy wait, when they havent made Chad, Pookie, or Ray-Ray wait: they're making him pay way, WAY more, for a worse product, and telling him he's lucky for having the chance to do so. That last hot dog for sale doesn't taste any better than the first one, in fact, it tastes WORSE because it's been sitting on the roller all day so it's burnt, dry, and nasty. No. Thanks. Bye. Men don't particularly care if women sleep with dudes on the first date, just that you be *consistent* about it - if you're easy, then be easy, but don't be easy for one guy and hard to get for the next, that's just insulting.
Yeah I think what women are communicating to men by being a sl00t and then "reforming" and withholding from a good guy whom they are trying to enter an LTR with is that the good guy doesn't give the same tingles so they can extract more in terms of time and resources from him. Just reverse the sexes and it becomes obvious that this is an insult - "You know, Sally, with my other girlfriends I just couldn't keep my hands off of them and I was horny 24/7. But you - with your cooking and cleaning and laundry washing - you make it easy for me to think about other things and not put sex first (or second or third or fourth) in our relationship. I feel like I have total control over my libido, unlike with other women. That's what makes you special!"
You gotta understand this if a woman is extremely attracted to a man she will not make him wait at all. There will be no waiting whatsoever so if your woman is making you wait, she’s not that attracted to you.
I would disagree under the pretext that women are still allowed to shame wontonly, and guys gotta take it, and if guys complain or try to do any shaming themselves, they find society coming down on them as the most evil people to ever exist, because how dare you make a woman feel bad for her choices 😑🙄😒
All I heard was "I have had 100 men before you. I chose you now, so even though you are number 101 you should feel special". - Most mens reaction to that would be "Pass me a bucket, I want to throw up".
Their counter: "But the first 100 didn't mean anything! Wouldn't you rather be the last man I sleep with, rather than the first?" Male counter: "I'd rather be your first AND your last. Also, those other men 'not meaning anything' makes your situation worse, not better! It means you're a 304 who suddenly wants to pretend that you're virtuous. Men would rather have an honest 5 than a lying 10."
I think even the guys here miss a big point. If she was willing to sleep with other guys quickly but not me, I assume they're not as attracted to me as them, and feel like they're settling for material benefits. No thanks. If she consistently waited then I'd be cool to wait though. It's not the sex itself that's that important to me, it's about respect and feeling valued.
@@manmoth4 Good comment. What Brian and Andrew are getting at here is that these women aren't being themselves, they're being someone else for the purpose of eliciting a different response (based in false pretenses).
Her values has changed at that time until the next Chad walks up , any women that says i need to find myself or any of that other mumbo jumbo is a red flag , BODY COUNT MATTERS
Thats the problem. They're impulsive, and the fruits of their impulsivity present themselves in all facets of your life including who you're attractive to. If you dont show improvement in your impulsivity, then you're not TRULY attracted to that man, but you like what he offers. This conversation is cheap parloulr tricks to try to rationalize the above including: -Healings not linear -everyone has their own experiences -Thats not everyone -Its not the same... -feelingsss They skate around the truth because they dont wanna face reality, nor take accountability for their unhealthy attraction and their poor choices
It’s a catch 22. It takes years for a woman to prove her newfound Chasity but they don’t have years due to their biological clock. Stop sleeping around and this issue is never an issue. But go on and “live life”.
Precisely, they were told long ago about the clock and they dont listen. If they were serious, when they hit high school, theyd be vetting for marriage and keeping their chasity until then But they gonna do what they want so oh well
It’s the typical new age feminist trope that’s done the most damage ‘women *CAN* have it all!’ Well sure, they can have it all, but at the same time isn’t going to happen. And also requires an honest-to-God self assessment that your inner voice is rage screaming at you but you just keep stuffing a sock in that mouth ‘no guy wants a high body count and no guy who you sleep with on the first date places any value in you’ because guys think ‘okay she got down the first night with me, what are the odds she did that with every guy she’s ever been with?’ And then she has the audacity to toss out a clearly BS body count of something like ‘oh only 3!’ Uh wut? Are you just giving me last weeks tally?
That's the logic post normalization of promiscuity. It's somewhat sound too, if a gal has racked up some numbers. A man has to be a woman's best lover to have a healthy relationship with her.
Well, by using the modern woman's logic here, if the gf who gets the happy meal loves you nonetheless and stays with you regardless of your money (or lack thereof) then maybe that's a green flag? Still unequal treatment, but maybe there's a reason for that.
@@crunchyman5330 let me help you, by modern womans logic, you buying her happy meals is suppose to show youre “responsible” and taking her seriously, while shes not suppose to be offended that the women you so called “didnt like” and “didnt take seriously” got houses and cars almost if not immediately
There are no alphas. Just obvious betas and overly aggressive betas. Modern men worship the overly aggressive betas far more than the women do. Grow up.
Making a man wait to give the impression of not being a 3 oh 4, is in a long line of women catfishing, using makeup, filters, false personality early in the relationship, etc
This is a million percent accurate. It’s another false perception like heels and push up bras and girdles and wigs and weaves and filters and ceiling angles in pix to come off as something your really not
After being red pilled, I feel like I’ve been bamboozled my whole life about women. My mom told me in my teens that the worst monster in the world are women and at the time I didn’t understand what she meant. Now at 49 and recently red pilled I totally understand now. I’ve been through a lot of growing pains in my life and none worse than women. 🤦🏽♂️🥴🤷🏽♂️
My mother told my brother and me "girls lie." I don't think I've ever heard a more unequivocally true statement in my life. With age and wisdom I understand it's not "lying" to them - they felt one way when they told you something. They felt a different way when they did something inconsistent with what they told you.
@@rileyresa firstly, that's not the point of my comment. secondly, even if it is 2, it's still not a "mistake". thirdly, 0 is the ideal. Not very likely in 2024 but the ideal nonetheless. Luckily for y'all and contrary to what women claim (really just projecting), most men are extremely lenient with their standards... that doesn't mean sleep with everything that moves and expecting no consequences of course as that leniency lasts up to a certain point
@@rileyresa You have time and can change your ways. You are more fortunate than many who double and triple down while gobbling SSRIs. Remember as well that women love to sabotage each other, so you will get contrary advice from other women (who are secretly miserable and want you to be miserable too because "misery loves company").
The downside of personalizing instead of keeping an open mind is you make assumptions and derail the conversation. The bi gal is a perfect example of this. She isn’t listening to the actual example. Instead she changes it to make it ok for her.
She’s trying to white knight for every one of the girls she sees as similar or less than her. Like the gal talking about her insane view after admitting she had a bunch of guys that were getting the milk free on the first date, then one she made wait 5, then the next was back to one. That sill bish gave her an entire trauma that became abuse in her mouth, then when called on it, switched it back to trauma, but still kept trying to fit that square peg into the round hole. She cannot shut her yap trap to even consider another pov because her pov is all that matters, and she’s going to speak on your behalf whether you like it or not.
Whether or not you agree with his points, Andrew’s debate level skills is really something to behold lol. Not just because he’s right, but he articulates his points very well before even asking his questions or answering a question and leaves almost 0 room for the women to use strawman arguments or verbal gymnastics to partially answer questions like most of them do with Brian.
My only argument to that would be, consider the opposition. It’s easy to look like Oppenheimer when you’re discussing theories with kindergartners. But I do largely agree, and it’s the main reason that I, as a woman, find significant value in his views.
I dated a single mom for a long time who had her child from a 1night stand with a drug dealer, but she wouldn't have kids with me unless I married her. Yeah, women are messed up.
I was friends with a girl for years, she never posted me online, we go on a date, things go well, plan a second date, before we get to the second date, she goes out with someone else, posts a bunch of pics from their date, i tell her how messed up it was and let her know that we won't be going on a second date now because of her actions, she tried to dodge accountability and make it my fault. Now I have zero respect for her, never going to give her a chance again. Actions meet consequences
5:55 "Can't her values change? Couldn't she have had a different value when she first slept with the guy? No. He had no relationship value. That is why she gave it up immediately. That's the problem. There are different values for different guys. There is a difference between men that women get the tingles for, and men that they see themselves in a relationship with. You are supposed to give it up for the relationship guy, not the asshole. Women do the opposite and are hard-wired to react ass-backwards. It is what it is.
Thing is, most people don’t even consider the moral behind it. I know I didn’t. Before I found Andrew, I never considered morals for anything. It never even crossed my mind
@italkgory99 yeah as a young man I thought morals were for weak minded people. As I get older though I can see the value in them and also that I use many morals daily.
Making a guy wait after she's done with her 304 phase is like being extra careful to not drop the fine china plate that you've already carelessly knocked to the floor for years.
Theres no such thing has a hoe phase. Its who you are. Pass 8 years of your life drinking every day, youre a alchoolic, pass 8 years of your life using drugs, YOU ARE A DRUG ADDICTED. Pass 8 years of your life not working YOURE A BUM. Pass 8 years of your life getting fuc ked by random dudes... now you guess the rest.
Like always, a complete lack of accountability. When she gives it up easily, it's because her "selt esteem feels low" likes it's something arbitrary and out of her control
@@rileyresadude you're an adult not 5. Letting randoms stick it in you is not just some mistake, you're just a person with no morals who nobody will ever take serious. Saying "teehee I'm done now" isn't going to change who you are. Pretending you didn't understand right from wrong as an adult is genuinely ridiculous
Women will offer up every excuse or explanation except “I was more attracted to the Chad”. They always try to dress it up in bullshit to not get the new guy to leave
they don't want beta guy to understand what is happening, or else he will not line up to be exploited when she is ready to have kids at 35 after being used up
A man is Always willing to wait for the woman who is waiting for the right one! Everybody waits to eat if nobody at the table is eating.... but if everyone at the table has already eaten, why should I wait?
Shaming doesn't work. The consequence matters. If there were no contraception, and having sex would led to pregnancy, women would avoid doing casual sex. Nowadays, it is as cheap as 1 dollar per condom, why not having fun?
Shaming only works when you have a monopoly on information i.e MM women by nature must conform to the consensus of the herd to survive. If it comes from a minority it is less effective but that is where consequences become the ultimate equalizer.
The problem is that a lot of women don't understand the value of forfeiting their chastity for the purpose of satisfying their hedonism. That's why there's this gendered disconnect. Women genuinely don't see why men place so much emphasis on chastity because they themselves don't care about male chastity, generally speaking.
I agree but the man more on a subconscious level which is really an evolutionary response and gut feelings/thoughts that makes him care because subconsciously he wants his seed to pregnate the woman he feels attractiion for along with any other woman he comes accross that he also is attracted to. Also he wants to make sure it is him and not other men which is impregnating her which is why some men are looking out for other males threats to frighten them off just in case she might like that person more.😮
The person you want should get more of you than anyone. That's like a man marrying every female friend, funding their life, and supporting "her kids" --- while keeping the love of his life as a booty call.
She changed the goalposts. Beforehand she argued that it's okay to "flip flop", basically relapse into doing ONS. She is tacitly admitting that the guys she had before, made her break her own rules, because she found them more attractive than you.
@@alwaysright3943 actually we do, my girl was a virgin and what's crazy is once we did it she told me that her dad told her when the time was right. But I was fucking other women because my value higher than most.
You buy something. The seal gets broken....It is now not new. Second hand..... The value goes down. We aren't talking about real estate, fine art or a rare exotic car....
The Bisexual "Ban Male Podcasts" girl is typical - she's unable to talk about things as intrinsically morally right and wrong, but only in terms of "health[y]" and "trauma."
They think they're increasing their value, but they're just increasing their price tag. Their ACTUAL value stays the same (the past cannot be undone), therefore they're asking for MORE, for LESS in return.
If she gives it up right away with one guy & makes another wait,she doesn't see enough value in herself to have a standard. You can't trust a woman like that to have any loyalty in a relationship.
I rode all those other Men until they thought their internal organs would liquify - but not you, you're going to have to wait - because you're special. & they wonder why we don't take them seriously.
It always comes back this, if a man told one of these women, 'yeah i bought cars and paid bills of my one-night stands prior to you. But your special so i need you to pqy for our dates because i dont want to spend money on getting to know you.' They would all lose their damn mi nds.
Same old story - I feel like, I feel like, I feel like. The more things change, the more things stay the same. Do they learn anything over time? Sure, and that is to make newer suitors wait and wait and wait until they get a passport and move on. Actually, as men get smarter, they get their passports even sooner. They stay out of the pool and save their money.
First time I've ever watched this podcast that the women aren't yelling and screeching and talking over each other. Calm and civil. More good, less bad.
@@Jk-fw5utObviously Andrew would be the dominant piece of the fusion - Brian is so damn wishy-washy, he wouldn't even put up a fight if Andrew took over. Don't think of it as "fellowship", think of it as "Andrew casting out Brian's demons". You must agree, Brian has gotten a LOT better at hosting, a lot more firm, since Andrew started showing up regularly.
It's not faking virtue. It's faking scarcity, like when a retail store pretends an item is the last one they have, even if they have a whole warehouse full of the things. It's retail capitalist logic, something we've allowed to be infused in our human relationships to such an extent we don't even notice it. That's also "sexual market value" (even if that concept isn't total nonsense) - it's a framework that says no one and nothing has intrinsic value, but only what someone else is willing to pay for it. This has been going on for a long time, since well before "My Momma told me, you'd better shop around".
She went on the show unironically wearing a shirt "attacking" the host thinking she's super edgy and actually getting to him. That says everything you really need to know about her and her opinions.
Frrom a mans perspective. you (wimen) devalue yourself by beeing to easy to get in your past. If I drive my car and hit everything thats happens to be in its way scratching and denting it, the value of the car will plummit regardless how much I wash and polish it afterwords. The scrateches are still there, the densts are still there.
They dont want to understand and probably never will, because if they did then they would have to take acauntability, thats there cryptonite. Thats why all the mental gymnastics.
8:39 she can’t claim one lifestyle while she’s doing the other one. So until she’s done flip-flopping, she can’t claim that she is holding out for marriage. That’s like saying you’re over alcoholism while you’re still drink.
“One coke thanks” “That’ll be $3” “Wait….this coke has already been open, it’s half drank and flat, I’m not paying $3 for it” “Oh wait a second” *leaves and returns* “Where’d you go?” “Oh I just placed the can at the centre of a labyrinth, a complicated maze that should take you many hours to find” “So let me get this right, you think I would spend multiple hours navigating a maze for a half drank flat coke?” “A $3 coke”
The woman in the orange actually made sense with her explaination. However, divorce laws rake men over the coals, so relationships are a raw deal for men on so many levels.
Lol, it's funny when the woman wearing the skirt " Ban Male Podcasts " has a point I can understand, but then I see the shirt, and am reminded that that person cannot be trusted, because she doesn't value free speech or men. She's a declared enemy of men.
You can see their brains locking up as they try to process and explain their feelings. Psychopathy, or psychopathic personality, is a personality construct characterized by impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited and egocentric traits, masked by superficial charm and the outward appearance of apparent normalcy.
I noticed something, when men or conservatives speak in generalities. And when the other side speaks they internalize the issue rather than answering the questions.
Look up the word "Solipsism". A by product of such is to immediately personalise generalities and come at it from that position. Another thing to look up is the logical fallacy "The Nutpicker", this is where one will take an exception (ie the personalised) in order to try and refute a general rule. This false approach negates the tendencies (strong and weak) that humans or categories of humans (ie Male and Female) share.
If a guy is going to ‘hurt’ you, it doesn’t matter if you get it on date 1 or date 10- it’s an arbitrary number that means absolutely nothing. It sounds like the classic ‘I can be the one who changes him!’ trope- no honey, if he’s into you he’s into you, and if he’s not, no amount of withholding anything is going to change that. Either place a value *IN YOURSELF* or don’t, but stop playing games.
All these guys criticizing women for having sex too quick then not quick enough. They are never happy, just want to criticize for the sake of complaining. People change, get use to it.
The point is that if you sleep with one man quickly, any man who you make wait is being treated unfairly. Why should a "better" man have to show more investment than someone you don't even like?
@@petersmith6145 You're proving the point that a man will come up with any rediculous logic to manipulate a woman into sleeping with him. There isn't some law that establishes a baseline for sex in all relationships based on one relationship. If a woman had a one night stand that means she is now only to have one night stands? Why is it so problematic for a man not to get sex when he wants? You sound like a child throwing a tantrum because their sibling got the bowl of ice cream first.
@@petersmith6145absolutely. They give up their biggest asset so easily to someone who doesn’t want to commit or even like them that much but will make the “right one” wait.
The bottom line to this conversation is if as a woman you've already been giving it up that value is already gone, next guy is automatically getting less value and then you're going to wait for something once it's values dropped. That's a bad deal for anyone, if she's got more than 5 bodies she can't pair bond and a relationship is a waste of time, keep them honest Andrew, you're a legend.
God will punish 3-4 generations of your children for the sins of their parents. Sexual immorality is the only sin you can commit against the Holy Spirit. Exodus 34 6 And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation.” 1 Corinthians 6 18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
@@Jk-fw5ut agreed, but the highest validation a women can give a man is sex. That is why a virgin women has and will always be ideal to the Christian man
The reality is they didn't care to have a relationship with the guys they sleep with quickly but when they meet a guy they are interested in a relationship with they make him wait to assure he is not just another chad.
I'd disagree. A woman slept with a Chad immediately as there is a chance this Chad would marry her. Women rotate around many Chads with this hope until they realize no more chance to hunt down a Chad. That is the time they settle down with a normy. Why give normy a chance since a normy is always available.
The opposite of this is men spending money,buying luxurious trips,and letting her get her way but then says he likes the new girl but won't do those things unless marriage
12:30 just say that the man justifies it as "I paid and spoiled all my previous girlfriends and that didn't work so now I'm changing the strategy and won't pay for you and take you on trips - hope you understand, thanks" That's flipping the script for me.
When I dated Julie, she told me that she had slept with every man on the first date but wanted to go slow with me. What the [bleep] was wrong with me? Why does she tell me that i am sexually crap? When she broke up with me, she went back to sleeping on the first date. No matter what shit she thought, in MY mind, she treated me like shit.
These girls do not care what a man thinks. If the guy has any problems with their actions, they will go to the next guy. They have a line up of yes men that will put up with their bad decisions and attitude
Here it is in black and white: if the girl doesn't have to put out on the first x dates, the guy doesn't have to provide on the first x dates. Keep it fair. No double standards.
