Andrew Doyle on pride politics and why celebrities should 'shut up' | SpectatorTV 

“When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” - Thomas Sowell

Well said, Andrew. Tennant was disgusting. I feel sorry for his daughter. "Non-binary means "Look at me! Look at me! I want attention!"--Douglas Murray

I think a much more worthy festival would be to celebrate people like Andrew Doyle and Douglas Murray who don't deny their sexuality but don't make it the be-all and end-all of who they are. And more importantly who make extremely pertinent and significant contributions to our culture. That really is worth celebrating.

In Helsinki Finland they had a pride-march last weekend and I saw photos with both pride-flags and lots of palestinian flags too.. For some reason they did not bring any Finnish flags along.. 🤪 I don't know what "the pride" is, but it is definitely not about gay rights anymore.. 🥴

David Tennant has appalled me over this. How does he not see that others are being harmed by this. And if he thinks people should be free to be what they are, then how does he explain the trans activists attacks on lesbian groups. Lesbians and Gay men are entitled to choose to have sexual partners that are of the same sex. Heterosexual people are entitled to say they choose someone they opposite sex. who are the trans community to tell the rest of us how to live our lives.

Mr Doyle took the words right out of my mouth. I’m a moderate, I’m accepting, tolerant, respectful and patient. But I’m done with being insulted for not 100% agreeing with this insane ideology.

Celebs like Tennant are the reason I don’t watch tv or movies anymore

Celebrities should "shut up" about pretty much everything.

Yes he did really mean that women should shut up .the trans movement is misogynistic

"So over the Rainow" -Kelly Jay Keane

I think we are fed up with politicians who are full of it. Nothing to do with racism it misogyny. But Tenant has opened himself up to ridicule and disrespect.

Perhaps Tennant could be useful and speak out against the Muslim men who kicked and punched to the ground the two young lesbian girls in Halifax, Canada. The LGBT Queers for Palestine alliance should sort their priorities out.

As Barry Norman said regarding John Wayne "Why does anyone care what he thinks? He's just an actor!".

Andrew is 100% correct. ❤

Seeing some of these pride events from around the world with the nudity,bondage, whipping etc it appears more like a freak circus 🤷‍♀️

That superior misogynist gesture accompanying the words 'shut up' aimed at a woman ...

The more I see of Andrew Doyle the better my opinion of him becomes. Sane, balanced, measured, and intelligent....would there were more like him around!

Well said Andrew!

Doctor Who has a long history of politicised content. In the Jon Pertwee era of the early '70s there was more than one storyline involving all-powerful, corrupt bosses and the workers who had to organise and unite in order to prevail. But it was handled with a great deal more subtlety than the sledgehammer-weighted propaganda we see today. For gawd's sake, Davros would never have given a damn about pronouns.

Tennant is talentless. He is also lying to his son. Fed up of the "Be Kind... OR ELSE" lot.

so, david tennant is saying to his son that his feelings are more important than the rights, safety and privacy of his daughter. i wonder if he tells his daughter to "shut up" when she voices her opinion on the rights of women

Tenant behaved appallingly. He should publicly apologise to that woman.

I've known from the outset the TQ was anti LBG they've destroyed the movement!

"Shoehorned in at the behest of a high priest". That's a great description.

All those flags remind me of late 1930s Germany.

Andrew Doyle do not so easily dismiss Tennant's "doesn’t exist anymore" comment, as just a quip. I know I found it truly shock and abhorrent, and I wasn't directed at me, I can only guess how it was received by Kemi Badenoch MP.

Pride comes before a fall. Pride is the Original Sin.

I agree, I’m gay and believe Pride is past it’s sell by date

The more obscure actors become, the more woke they become.

I am Finnish and I stopped watching any western entertainment about 5 years ago.. It is all filled with indentity politics without any genuine storylines or writing. So I am mostly watching Japanese and Korean content now. Be it comedy or drama.. And just praying they won't jump on to this same train even some of the western audiences are trying to push them into it.

Lawrence Fox was cancelled and sacked from GBN for an insult towards a woman - who had used the same insult against a man ( but that’s okay, of course). So, shouldn’t calling for someone not to exist be taken a lot more seriously? We are talking about a lady who is known to the public. I think his comment is actually quite dangerous and could result in some nutcase attacking her.

Brilliant Andrew - you’re doing fantastic work in this space 🙏

We should call for the separation of the progress (gender ideology) flag and the traditional rainbow pride flag. They have been conflated and LGB’s should fight for their traditional flag.

I fully agree with Andrew's analysis. It is frustrating that most people's view the Critical Queer Theory captured LGBT etc movement as gays wanting more than the achieved equality. This is just lazy and is another huge win for Intersectionality, a pernicious ideology.

Quite right, gay pride has had its day. Now just mainstream. Would like to see special days and months done away with. There should be a return to normal commemoration days.

Tennant's award ceremony was proof of what happens when the weirdos are given power - they turn into viscious bullies.

Andrew please don’t make excuses for David Tennant, I didn’t know anything about this issue a year ago but I made it my business to educate myself. Apparently Mr Tennant has a non binary child, if so then I would have expected him to find out all he can on the subject.

I do hope Peter Tatchell is listening to this broadcast. I enjoy listening to Andrew Doyle's perceptive and intelligent assessment.

How do you decide that a primary school child is 'non binary' (especially as there is no such thing) ? Did the child watch an episode of Thomas the Tank Engine while holding a Barbie doll, I mean seriously, how does a primary school child communicate this nonsense?

Last autumn I went to Manchester Pride for the last time ever. I was excited for the partying and opportunity to catch up with some old friends. I put on a camp outfit for the first time ever and took my good camera with me. I took about 5000 shots of the parade, and only when I went back through them did I realise the horrors within. It's turned into a sexual fetish freak show where they insist on it being family friendly and some of the parade participants were actual toddlers walking amongst fully grown men in leather dog masks and the like. Interspersed with brazen commercialism and 'the trans lot' I only ended up going on the one afternoon, going home early and not bothering with the rest of the long weekend. It's been ruined by the likes of Stonewall collecting new 'groups' of 'victims' to add to the alphabet soup and the silly flag, just to justify their own continued existence.

When showbiz people get too involved in politics trans matters the "silent majority" will refuse to watch them on TV and boycott their films and theatre performances

I love listening to Andrew Doyle, he is always very wise and full of common sense.

“The British LGBT Awards”… what the f**k is happening to this country…

I worked with a gay person who gave up on pride years ago saying its becoming as a straight as a darts tournament

Were sick of having to lisen to pride

As a gay mam myself I 100% agree . The only phobia I witness is actually heterophobia .

The first problem is that we are tolerating abusive ad hominem attacks rather than insisting on reasoned debate and polite disagreement. Secondly, while Tennant is perfectly entitled to criticise Kemi Badenoch's views; he is not entitled to take away her human right to have views and express them. Amplifying this is the gendered nature of the attack - because women are routinely told to shut up, be silent, not to talk too much and be listeners (to male views). Inside the average mixed sex classroom you can see this in action. Research shows that teachers spend far more time (two-thirds more) with boys, asking them more questions, providing more feedback and allowing them to interrupt more. They push boys to think critically while praising girls for being quiet and neat. It's even worse if you're a black girl, because then you're not just subjected to this closet misogyny but are also criticised for being disobedient, defiant and difficult. This ultimately translates into criticism of adult women in the workplace for being 'assertive'. While assertiveness in men is seen as good, assertiveness in woman makes them 'strident', difficult and unlikeable. Women are routinely talked over or ignored in so many contexts, they see it as normal and begin self-silencing. This means decisions, ideas and analysis don't have the benefit of a female perspective and so are frequently not optimal. It affects relationships between men and women as well, with members of both sexes unable to have reasonable discussions with one another. So I appreciate Andrew Doyle's thoughtful comments on this, but it's worse than suggested. Tennant's comments are part of a misogynistic playbook that professional women are still subjected to and thus have much wider resonance than affecting just one, individual woman. The sniggering you heard at the event is the same disrespectful sniggering heard in classrooms and boardrooms when women speak up. It's boring, childish and counterproductive. So easy and popular to criticise the woman rather than criticising a man - why not say that you don't want Sunak to exist/shut up because he's the PM and he says you can't change sex? And then we have the problem of women being threatened with humiliation, loss of earnings/career, vi*lence and r*ape just for disagreeing with (some) men. Better communication would make the world better for everyone and teaching our kids how to communicate effectively, take turns, disagree in an acceptable way, develop listening skills and critical thinking, and debate politely are very important life skills not being adequately taught in UK state schools. These are skills, however, that Andrew Doyle displays throughout this interview which is why (irrespective of whether we agree or not) it's so nice to listen to him.

I'm not sure I agree with Andrew Doyle's point at the beginning. I am not sure Tennant was calling for Badenoch to be executed, as such, but I don't think there is an innocent or harmless way of hoping for someone 'not to exist'. You can see he chokes on it himself. But it is incoherent to say in one sentence that you look forward to the time someone doesn't exists and then claim you mean her no harm. It was an absolutely repulsive thing to say in public. Truly disgusting. Is this 'kindness' taught by hoping for someone not to exist?

Love Andrew’s clarity of thought.

So agree with Andrew about the current state of tv drama,so woke driven

Absolutely fantastic interview. So refreshing to hear someone who tells it like it is AND in such an articulate and forthright way.👏🏻👏🏻💯

Dr who the F does he think he is?

David Tennant getting applause from the ‘LGBT community’ - phwoar look at the validation on that..

Don't teenagers know everything? I used to .

Everytime I see the Progress Pride flag I think oh there is the Fascist Alphabet flag. It has nothing to do with gay rights anymore.

Tennant should be sentenced to prison and to share a cell for years with Nicolas Sturgeon. A suitable punishment for a comment like that. Who does he think he is? 🙈🙈🙈

Very well explained thanks Andrew Doyle.

Im not sure why gay people would want the police wearing their flag? Being piggy in the middle doesnt seem like a good idea.

I 100% agree with Andrew on this subject, I think pride is just too overdone/out stayed it's welcome, and sadly, it has very much become its own villain. Also, i don't like david tennant saying it's kk for man who identifies as woman to go into womens spaces and plausibly rape or unchange in front of these young girls or women just to flash at them or exposed themselves in front of these young girls / women, it's not kk in my books at all

and the lgbtqui++ award for just getting on with their lives goes to...............

Andrew, you speak such sense. You are a sane voice amid the trans madness. I am not gay but, as a woman, understand how many gay men and lesbians feel. Heterosexuals who yearn for victimhood (and publicising their fetishes!) have taken over Pride. I feel angry on your behalf that a once great show of gay camarederie has become a cringe-fest of queerness. Please, please, keep up your fantastic work.

It’s going to be hell for women, under Labour.

Thanks for my first lol of the day - "The least coveted award in the world" :-) hilarious!

It strikes me as odd that there is any topic on which people's subjective feelings are given more weight than objective facts.

Always great to listen to Andrew Doyle He’s highly intelligent,very articulate and promotes free speech , combined with common sense .

Doyle is going very easy on those psychos

A discussion including mr tennent himself would've been helpful

Let me say this emphatically. Tom Baker was the best Doctor Who. All the rest shouldn’t exist. 😁

Doctor Who is now Doctrine Who.

People used to say “I don’t believe I’m qualified to comment”. Perhaps they need to start remembering that phrase occasionally.

I'm all for celebrities speaking out. The more they do, the more they show how morally bankrupt they are. They do not deserve to be idolized.

even an insect can tell the diff between m/f

Sorry. What are we bring proud of?

Actors: People who pretend to be someone they are not and memorise the dialogue written for someone who doesn't exist by someone who is inventing a narrative. The real David Tennant is a great actor, not a philosopher, physician or politician.

Well said, Andrew... ☝️😎

Pride has had its day. No kidding. Understatement city!

Bridgetown had a truple!😂 also the 'fat' chick got the hot guy with abs!!! 😂😂😂😂

Not putting up with woke entertainment, boycotting ALL of it.

Wait for Sharia Law. There will be no confusion. I don’t want Sharia law just common sense.

I'm a heterosexual male and it sickens me that another man could find his way into a women's prison or lavatory just by claiming to be transgender. There was some such person on Camilla Tominey's programme a while back, claiming that he had certification to prove he was a woman and should be free to enter women only spaces. The arrogance, egotism and entitlement was breath taking. If he really did care about women's spaces he should accept the fact that, while he probably is no threat to women, others could well be. If he is allowed in the argument against other transgender claimants also entering are moot. This felt like misogyny to me as if he was saying I deserve to be here more than you, just look at the effort I've put in. SIngle sex spaces should be a biological issue.

Save the nation. Vote Reform.

Andrew, thank you for the balanced view on Tennant and people like him. I don't want to demonize anyone, it's not who we "other," it's the "othering" that's a problem.

David tenant should be called out for this insanity boycott everything he appears in for the sake of sanity and humanity !!!!!!!!!!!!

Pride . One of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Things are starting to change. For at least the last 2-3 years Wembley was plastered with LGBTQ+-*%£$& banners along the whole walkway up to the Stadium as well as Zebra crossings being painted in rainbows. This year there was only about 20% of the LGBTQ+-*%£$& banners. I got no problem with gay people but this hijacking of the movement by the T+ villains I will NOT support. Great discussion.

“It’s OUR job to ensure you comply with the new Orthodoxy” - Grindr, probably.

Always appreciate Doyle's measured and calm discussions of serious and complex issues. He is one of a dwindling few reasonable, rational adults in the room. He effectively put Tennsnt in ' time out'

These woke celebrities make my stomach turn. I wish they'd shut up and stop lecturing us on their woke ideologies that are absolutely bonkers. Kemi Badenoch speaks the truth Tennant spouts rubbish imo

Just for balance , my partner and I are both gay. We have attended many prides which does not indicate our permission , rather our deeply held belief that pride is ours and our visibility is important.

Unfortunately Doctor Who has been destroyed by woke issues.

Its now just a corporate joke that companies see as a tick box exercises

I don't see any reason why anyone should fly a flag, which intentionally exposes their sexual lifestyle - and particularly in front of children.

Doctrine Who...

Aghast that the spectator is willing to openly engage in child Labour, or is the host one of your kids on work experience?

I don't think Tennants left wing chums will be happy with him telling a black woman to shut up.😂

What gets me is that they are happy to be nominated for best Actor / Actress categories instead of one category in which they all compete. Somehow biology then matters

Excellent interview, andrew doyle is erudite, respectful but pointed in his remarks, he is always an excellent listen, and thanks to the interviewer for a job well done

This is a shame i use to really like David Tennant im american he was the first doctor who doctor that i use to watch when i was in high-school he was my favorite doctor now i cant stand him and it makes me sad.

Celebrities have every right to voice their views just as you a have right to voice your views. That's the beauty of free speech.

A BULLY CAN STILL BE POLITE A FEMINIST MAN CAN STILL BE SEXIST A KIND PERSON CAN STILL BE HORRIBLE.... Well said Andrew 👏