Andromeda Lore : The Nietzschean Rebellion 

Kinda racist towards Nietcheans. 😆

@@wood9670 I mean, they don’t deny that it’s all about survival to them. They’re proud of being Darwinists. And treachery is just another way to get what they want. Even Rhade told Hunt that “it’s only cheating if you get caught”. Also, not all Nietzscheans turned against the Commonwealth. Some remained loyal, believing that their survival was dependent on the Commonwealth. They ended up going to Tarazed and settling down there with the other survivors. It’s how Telemachus Rhade was born

time travelers confirm theyre kinda right

I think they were more major skirmishes that lasted 15 years rather than a real big war, a few worlds, colonies, space stations and starships where its populace and crews were devoured by the Magog essentialy during that time period.

Well Rommie said the Commonwealth has never been in a major war so...

The data on the Magog's invasion has always been within Andromeda's databanks.

That puts a lot of faith into the foresight of the Vedrans. We don't have a solid timeline of events leading up to the Rebellions, so we don't know if Andromeda's meeting the Worldship and return to the three galaxies occurred before Brandenburg Tor or not. Judging from the fact that the Vedrans seemed to do jack all during the 300 years they were isolated leads me to believe that while they might've seen it coming, they seemed to be mostly powerless to stop it. Even by preventing the Capital of the Commonwealth from dying.

The Magog fought in swarms, they would raid and overwhelm worlds but they were opportunistic, they didnt think in terms of territory or supply lines. The neitzchens were methodical ruthless and organised, they knew exactly where to hit the Commonwealth to cripple it. In terms of sheer numbers they conquered only a small percentage of the Commonwealth but it was exactly the right worlds to kill the central government and military.

really. the qoutes in the begining were a bonus.

You can thank the Greeks.

Don't forget the Million Voices

Greatest show ever

Fires of Orion, wrath of Achilles, 8 fold path, ...

dominion war with out plot armor

...Like this Comment if you yourself had totally used these Nova Bombs to save the Commonwealth.

@@slevinchannel7589 Burning one or two galaxies would have been a glorious way to go out for the Commonwealth.

@@slevinchannel7589 Would've actually saved more lives in the long run.

@@lamehick7511 They wouldnt even had to 'go out' though...

The final season was.... *weird* . But everything prior to that was top notch

Never watched the final season but that's consistently what I read.

If you have a Roku, the entire series is available for free on "The Roku Channel" as of Janurary 1. Earth: Final Conflict as well.

it was great until season 3, then developer Robert Hewitt w. was pushed to leave as he had other ideas and network wanted to make cpt hunt a god so he left. If original developer staye dit would be great, but to make things even worse after season 4 production company went broke and even for season 5 actors had to take pay cut and s5 was just poor. Thy were saying that another network will take over but never happened. Love the spaceships they were great and magga the ugliest ever in any sci-fi show..

TheDjbz yeah i stopped watching in the final season and i never giveup in shows i like it was really weird. Someone should reboot this series. Season 4 was very episodic but at least there were still in space.

Lame.

all exept wayist existed during shows run

Every Saturday I do Community Polls .. 2.. one star trek focused..one other series.. so i'd check saturdays to see the polls and vote - Andromeda will be a staple there..and if people continually pick it - i'll just make it a weekly series.

I really enjoyed the seasons I saw.. nice subtelty.. good character growth.

Lore Reloaded It prob goes along with Babylon 5 (my favorite sci fi series btw) and Farscape as Some of the most underrated series of all time.

It was good alot like what if the federation would of been defeated. Humans where basically low class citizens everywhere or flat out slaves.

Given how brutal the commonwealth was destroyed and how it gave up its ideals.. I wonder if it wasn't a bit of an attack on what Roddenberry thought star trek was becoming..

also one of the only series where the ship has internal turrets against borders. Of cause the didn't do the logical one and just squashed them with there artificial gravity. If you can compensate for main drive and maneuvers you got to have at least a few tens of g available.

Thankfully, the UCRF was even stronger than the Commonwealth and the Nietzscheans and was able to slow the magog down and in most cases, stop them completely, that is until Andromeda stumbled upon the magog world ship. The Nietzschean of the Drago Kazov were aware of the UCRF and didn't dare try to mess with them, and would often try to flee when they showed up, friendly or not. They also took on the job of stamping out piracy. thanks to some timely intervention by UCRF forces, Tarazed and its inhabitants survived the Nietzschean attack. After the battle at Tarazed and the Commonwealth's subsequent return to Tarn Vedra, the Sabra-Jaguar and a few other Nietzschean prides left the Nietzschean Alliance and joined the UCRF, leaving the Drago Kazov to fend for itself.

If there's enough audience interest I will.. Honestly, when i started research this.. It felt like Gene created a pseudo-federation in the commonwealth and then destroyed it.. almost felt like out of spite..angered at what he saw star trek turning into. I could be completely off base, but it was just .. very interesting..

Perhaps, though the material that Wolfe combined to create Andromeda were written in the seventies before TNG/DS9 aired...unless I'm underestimating how much he disliked the first bunch of TOS movies. I think that the Commonwealth resembles the Fed's so much is more reflective of the era it was made. As for your next Andromeda vid, maybe on the Netichean Alliance? (On a side note, I feel Rhade's quote in Unconcorable Man perfectly fits the course the Alliance was doomed to once the war started-win or lose.)

He actaully hated alot of the movies that were made because he felt they were to militaristic. I know Anti-trekker can be pretty .. gruff.. for people's taste - but if you look at his series.. He has some interesting videos on this

"Andromeda" was actually an amalgamation of two subsequent "pilots" after the original Star Trek was canceled, and the character of Dylan Hunt was used by Roddenberry three times in three different concepts: "Andromeda" which was a "man-out-of-time" story with Hunt as a scientist cast about through the timeline (Quantum Leap before there was a Quantum Leap) and "Gene Roddenberry's Starship" which was analogous to Star Trek...yet the other side of the coin...with Hunt (Kirk) and the Starship (Enterprise) traveling the galaxy after the fall of the Commonwealth (Federation) trying to do Good, and a third that never really went anywhere. The "Starship" and "Andromeda" concepts were combined to give us Andromeda we know today, with the ship and captain out of time, trying to restore order and goodness to the universe. So it wasn't so much spite as the Dark Angel on the Other Shoulder while he was writing Star Trek: the 180 degree dystopia to the Federation's utopia, with humanity being no one special in particular instead of the Glue binding everything together. Also, at the point of of inception of "Starship" the Star Trek franchise had failed (though it had garnered some minor success and popularity. It was off the air, and Roddenberry never expected to revisit it again. However, if he did, the idea of "Starship" was that if "Star Trek" had failed to stand on its own two legs, perhaps the aftermath of Star Trek would fare better...that is, something the loyal fans might tune in to watch because of the shared universe, but also something new to entice new viewers.

there is episode were magogs entrense to common wealth was explained

It is my honor to impress.

impress you have sir will there be more Andromeda lore videos?

worse dragos lost theyre khan the other prides start civil war

Indeed, a very interesting episode.

Just like Firefly, it's best to be dead. Today's PC western social trends would destroy science fiction and use them to prop up SJW pandering fanfiction

@@Excalibur01 DId you even watch Andromeda? Many episodes dealt with the inclusion of all races (even Nietzcheans and Magog). It was also huge on women empowerment and respecting different beliefs.

@@Dekline25 but they do it without sounding FORCED

I hope ;) It was a community pick.. I'll do more videos like this if people vote for it on the channel community tab.

Guess I'll go vote for more, the show was a bit of a mess but I still enjoyed it.

He's been doing a whole series!

they all so had to deal defections and other rebellions

haha, I'm always testing otu new stuff.. I actually liked this intro but I honestly thought I had played it out..seeing this intro every day can be.. too much. It's not like spacedock that doesn't upload as much as i do where their opening is very charming imo.

a lot of people did

+Philosophisticated ! #boom

Blame Sorbo for that one. Tyr got too popular, so the the star of the show had him removed

Which during the rebellion, several loyalist Nietzscheans claimed the traitors were idiots for their rebellion

WUT WUT

IKR lore, I can't remember too much of it since I watched it with family when I was younger, but I remember enjoying it alot.

Some day..some day!

Was it big on eye cnadies? I watched it to, but I honestly.. guess I wasn't big on eye candies at that point ;P

i think he meant the AI lol

I mean Dylan Hunt and his Nietzschean companions)

Gay? We thought you meant the beautiful women. Smh

Never a clear reason in canon, but from the information, I always saw it as a mixture of the belief that the Commonwealth no longer had the will to fight a serious conflict and would never reform to (proven false by both the slow introduction of new ships/research and that the remaining HG fought to the last ship), feeling of 'betrayal' by the Commonwealth singing the treaty that disohnered the victims (even though Neitz philosophy encourages living a life that challenges to prove your worth-which would be the outer rims of Commonwealth space planetwise and most at risk to unknown attacker-and that it was implied it would make those lost planets uninhadable to eliminate the maggog), and their philosophy that of course that it should be 'them' become the power over the known worlds (while not realizing that a number of races would fight this for many reasons-such as not a repeat of the Vedran conquest *Kalderians* or go their own way if given between the Alliance and Neitz rule). Also, it must be noted that the state of the Known Worlds when Dylan emerges is a statement on the flaws of the Neitz philosophy that would have surfaced once a major imbalance formed even without Witchhead.

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Sorry :)

first season is good

@@LoreReloaded Honestly they all had their strong points. Only the last season was a sticking pile of shit.

Writing team was gotten rid of by Sorbo who wanted a specifically more Dylan Hunt-centric show.

They sued for peace though so maybe... if they hadn't sued for peace... that's actually a good point ;P

Sorry, late reply... The problem the Nietzcheans had was that the Commonwealth called for peace right after gaining the upper hand in the war. Also as the Nietzcheans made up the bulk of that region of space's population and military force they suffered the bulk of the losses. So when the Commonwealth was finally in a position to wipe out the Magog they decided to sue for peace instead. Leaving the Nietzcheans with billions dead, worlds lost that the commonwealth handed over to the magog as payment for peace and nothing to show for it but a central government unwilling to see the war through. This in result is also why the Nietzcheans did so well in the revolt, because their forces were heavily hardened by the war. The irony being as well, that the few major victories the Commonwealth had during the revolt came from loyal Nietzcheans forces who were likewise as experienced and able and their counterparts.

I think when Rommie says 'real war' she means that the Commonwealth has not been needed on a total war footing in twelve centuries-limited to dealing with pirates and border patrol. The Magog-Commonwealth conflict was maybe seen as simply a very bloody border skirmish (and with the size and therefore population, even a few dozen worlds lost with a billion per planet would be minor). This seems to be supported by dialogue that until the civil war the High Guard prevented the Magog from spreading 'deep' into CW space and within the first bit of systems taken.

I hear the last episode is..something special..

This ship is called the "Andromeda Ascendant". It's class name is "Glorious Heritage Class".

+Savage Historian season 1 I thought he was ok

Meh ..They should've stuck with Rade. Tyr is the Wesley Crusher of Andromeda to me

That's your opinion. He was and is hated by most Andromeda fans for his abysmal acting skills .

You do realise your statement in itself is contradictory don't you ?

"Either of two propositions related in such a way that it is impossible for both to be true or both to be false" Saying no true Andromeda fan hates him to a true andromeda fan is basically the definition of "contradictory"

the ubermensch took over the galaxy. Actually no, the ubermensch tried but they took too many losses that they couldn't hold power after they won.

TentaclePentacle you know what I think about that... Heresy!

Tyr Anasazi out of Victoria by Barbarossa will tell you this is true.

I think that's more Starship Troopers. Not the book the parody movie that was made.

This was written back in the 70s. Borg weren’t even on the table yet. Much of it were half-baked ideas centered around a guy named Dylan Hunt in a post-apocalyptic world. They tried to adapt it to shows twice before. Didn’t take off until Andromeda

Also, it seems like this has come back full circle with Discovery season 3

Close but not quite. The initial idea for this was as followup show to Trek. It was on The enterprise (NCC-1701) and Kirk was to be frozen in time. The Nietzscheans were originally the Vulcans, and instead of Gaheris Rahde betraying Hunt, it would have been Spock betraying Kirk because peace with the Maggog was illogical. However, Roddenberry realized that this wasn't a good idea because Star Trek was supposed to be positive and so he started writing it as a different universe.

Andromeda was 90% Robert Hewitt Wolfe’s creation and 10% Gene Roddenberry. The truth is Robert used Gene’s name as a marketing gimmick to get the show made, he burrowed and adapted just enough material from two of Gene Roddenberry’s failed tv pilots called Planet Earth & Genesis II to justify using the Roddenberry name. It’s not a coincidence that the show’s writing took a nose dive in quality when Wolfe was forced out in season 2. Robert Wolfe now admits that his vision and plan for the series was beyond the means and budget of the studio, the show did not perform well enough in ratings to change that.

@@jokester3076 Could do with a decent reboot

From what I heard, a bunch of writers walked off or were fired, and took the series bible along with them. The people who were left basically had to "wing it." Kind of like what happened to 'Game of Thrones' after the showrunners ran through all the GRRM books by Season 5 and had to come up with original material from scratch.

@@ShaolinShadowStroke no Robert Hewitt Wolfe was fired by the studio because the studio wanted the eppisode to be more stand alone and focus on Dylan hunt more. The story went off the rails from what he was creating when they changed trance.

@@johnathanbutler7718 Oh, I see. Thnx for the clarification. Darn executive meddling...

#OORAH

I'll include it in the community choice and put it on the list to get done at some point should it not be voted for.

Lore Reloaded Also another franchise to consider, Blakes 7. There was the intergalactic war against the Andromedans (see the connection) which lead to the partial collapse of the Terran federation and it's attempts to expand again afterwards. Oh and the 61 Cygnus aliens and their biowarefare attempt. Also way out of left field, Power rangers, never watched the show, just the 10 minute fan reboot a few years ago with Katie Sackoff and James Vanderveek. But read some lore in the comments that explained a bit about Rita, although still confused. Agree about Earth final conflict, kind of lost track in later episodes with the other aliens, earths original culture in parallel worlds and some sort of alien amalgamation.

Hey Loire, EFC would be cool, but it's basically "V", so maybe you should consider both. (I know the rumors were that Gene pitched Earth Final Conflict first, then got ripped off by the studio, who made V. There's no proof except his original pitch for it in the 70's, just like JMS' pitch for Babylon 5 to paramount and DS9 in the 90's)

"V", the original and the reboot, both are damn good, loved em ..... was infuriating when they cancelled

honestly I'd thought it was a lot longer separation between the humans and Nietzschean split, like 1000 years. You're right. It would make better sense and the timeline of the show is...pretty huge. It was interesting to speculate on, but thinking it through some more, I don't think the social dynamics of the prides would allow a baseline human to join, no matter the physical improvements. I mean, remember how much trouble Tyre had in joining a pride, and...damn. And holy cow what a great idea that is, giving Andromeda to the BSG people.

For Dylan...Honestly, after the Gunslinger, I really don't care if I see Idris Elba in anything again. I don't know who most of the rest are and I'll have to think about who I would want to reprise those roles. That said, I cant see anyone else rocking the role of Tyr Anasazi more that Jason Momoa.

nietzeans weren born they were created modification included extented life span sharper senses durabiliy immunity to disease even resistanse to nano ones + bone pikes

NEver saw the last season but that's what I keep hearing.

Lore Reloaded yeah season 1-3 were good, 4 had good and bad parts. 5 was pure crap.

The show started its freefall around season three. Blame Kevin Sorbo and his fragile ego. He noticed how his relatively bland Dylan Hunt was being challenged in popularity by the less restrained Tyr so Sorbo, being a producer and all, pretty much ruined Tyr's character and turned him into a two dimensional bad guy. Imagine if William Shatner had that type of power during the original Trek show and felt challenged by Spock/Leonard Nimoy's popularity. He may have done something to reduce Spock's importance and screentime. Luckily we never had to find out because Shatner did not have that type of authority. Man, I would have loved if social media was around when Andromeda was running. Folks would have dumped all over Sorbo. Doing that to Tyr not only ruined the overall story and conflicts, it also ruined what would have probably been the two biggest "ships" of the show: Tyr-Beka and Tyr-Hunt.

Not sure what happened to Tyr or why they got rid of his character, but the guy who played Rev gained some kind of allergy to the Mggog makeup. The reason for Doyle in S5 was because Lexa was pregnant. Obviously they could still show her in the screen from the chest up, but having Rommie still there was impossible until later in the season after she gave birth.

So it was more like the Old Republic

Your right. The Commonwealth was almost 10,000 years old. Also, this video neglected to mention that the Nietzscheans were the product of Genetic Engineering and not Selective Breeding.

@@yonasnegash3282 They only mention selective breeding.

Artem Bentsionov- 2 years to get to this- Hope you having a Blast- But I Agreed-reason I never watch pass S3-Tyr character arc was becoming Game of Throne Great..then he was Sorbo

@@TwiceStruck yeah, I stopped watching after the arcology got taken out

Yea, there was a lot of depth there I didn't realize either

u can hear 1st officer whining about it when he shoots pilot and tries to kill cap

Still pretty big to our little minds and our scope of the universe around us.

same i could only watch a few episodes of the Last season.

cool

Reboot for the win!

Glad you enjoyed