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Another Expensive Seiko? Another Expensive Mistake?

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Shout out to Zane for selling me the King. Looks like it might need a trip back to the service department though! This watch deserves a better movement, the whole sub brand deserves a better movement. Will it get one? Doubt it! For half price though, it was well worth taking the chance, and it is a wee stunner. Cheers, Jody

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@dgar715 Год назад

You nailed it, Jody: a gorgeous watch with a completely underwhelming movement. Even at your amazing 50% discounted purchase price, I can think of ten other watches I’d prefer to put my $918.46 US toward… As always, thank for the great content!

@lockhandle8276 Год назад

The movement is crap, but the wristwatch itself looks like a million dollars. Just Seiko problems xD

@pieterjlansbergen6988 Год назад

Couldn’t disagree more. It might have been my lucky straw but my SARB035 with a 6R15 movement is the most accurate watch I ever owned. It runs split second and I never have to set the time as it might occasionally run 1 or 2 seconds late during the day which it will pickup at nighttime when laying flat on bedside table. By no way my other watches equipped with Top Grade Swiss movement can match this performance. I see no reason why the 6R31 when in good order won’t equal this. It is to say that almost 2000US $ for such watch would definitely make me consider some alternatives.

@varanid9 Год назад

@@lockhandle8276 The 6R movement is perfectly fine. Most people don't understand why Seiko came out with it. It is essentially a 4R35, a workmanlike robust basic movement made with higher end components for the durability of the former with the quality of the latter, a type of movement no other maker makes the equivalent of, to my knowledge.

@varanid9 Год назад

@@pieterjlansbergen6988 I have a Seiko Turtle that's been regulated to almost (not quite) keep up with my Omega co-ax. The problem with Seikos is that, for the lower price, you get dodgier QC.

@Tyler-sl6vg Год назад

@@pieterjlansbergen6988My Sarb033 is running w/in 5 seconds after a service but it was about 30 before IIRC. Sumo I think about +20. Sarx035 gains over 1 minute per day - possibly magnetized but likely not. I also have a 8L in my MM300 that is 9s fast. Most of these above are new to me. Long story short don't expect your future Seiko 6r movements to be as accurate as your current one. Edit - to be fair I also had a sarx015 which I think was within 10s just to round out the data.

@fletchoid Год назад

The Seiko catalogue has many beautifully designed watches, but over the past few years they have priced themselves out of the "Best reasonably priced watch for the money" category. The majority of my collection have Seiko movements in beautifully designed microbrand cases. They are all "affordable", and the QC for all of them has been great. Seiko CAN make a great watch for a reasonable price, but they just don't seem to care anymore.

@burnttoast9890 Год назад

Profits

@jimcrotty4998 Год назад

I purchased the brown dial version from the Seiko boutique in London last year and think it is a beautiful looking watch. Bracelet fits my wrist very well and had it adjusted by the boutique . Accuracy is better than your model appears to have but does lose on a daily basis within the stated tolerance but I find I wear in preference to other , more expensive watches as I really like the looks of it. Always watch your presentations Jodie, enjoy the content and your presentation

@jozsefizsak Год назад

I would suggest sending it in with all speed. It seems to me you do have another watch or two, presumably along with a cell phone, so you should manage well enough until it's returned. BTW, I've devised a workable coping mechanism for Seiko's QC through the simple expedient of never buying their watches. No problems so far. 😉

@traviswalker8933 Год назад

Seiko doesn't make anything value for money anymore hence that mechanism of not buying their watches perfectly fits.

@jozsefizsak Год назад

@@traviswalker8933 When you consider that the cheapest Casio has perfect alignment of everything, we can only conclude that Seiko is cynical and blinded by greed and hubris.

@traviswalker8933 Год назад

@@jozsefizsak the greed is probably the best description for Seiko.

@jozsefizsak Год назад

@@traviswalker8933 For sure. It's gotten comical.

@UnknownUser-rb9pd Год назад

From my experience, even if the watch is adjusted there is a strong chance it will be back to horrible accuracy and precision after a month or two. Having owned 4 watches with 6Rxx movements, none of them has maintained any significant degree of accuracy even after getting two serviced and adjusted. By contrast I've a few cheap Swatch watches with basic or elabore ETA2824 movements which have started at +5 to +8 and slowed to +2 seconds which they've maintained for 4 or five years of occasional use.

@JohnBuckmaster-sw3wm Год назад

I’ve had watches with the 6R15, 6R35, and 6R35A(the first 6R35 movement) I know there were problems with 6R15. But the two that I had were fine other than accuracy) I have a timeGrapher and in my experience they are no more accurate, and in some cases less accurate than 4R movements. In my opinion, Seiko needs to develop a 28,800 bpm movement comparable to the ETA.2824 or Miyota 9000 series. They’re smaller and thinner allowing for slimmer cases! I wouldn’t be interested in this watch if the retail was $1000… 1800 is totally absurd IMO…. Thanks, Jody.

@chrispeek380 Год назад

Seiko buyers at this point are like the fraternity pledges in "Animal House" saying "Thank You Sir! May I have another!" as they are paddled through the gauntlet.

@satya.anandakrishnan Год назад

Yeah exactly this. I saw someone on the release vid for this King Seiko openly trash it for the movement etc. But then they ended by saying that they would buy it anyway to support the brand. TIL Seiko is a football team

@matthewj6154 Год назад

Agree, pin and collar etc - they just hate their customers. I've bought my last.

@philw4053 Год назад

Agreed. Take a look at the recent £400 GMT - which could have been truly outstanding - but spoiled with no sapphire, no screw down crown, a friction bezel (to get around the misalignment issues) and a stamped, sheet steel clasp. If you look at what Pagani etc. turn out for less than £100 it makes you realise that the Seiko model is to screw their customers as much as they possibly can......

@stevezodiac575 Год назад

That is one of the most witty comments I've read in long time! And it came with a nostalic bonus too! Nailed it! And I'm saying this as a Seikoholic 😂

@alexandersmith855 Год назад

The 6R family of movements have been the most wildcard aspect of Seiko automatic watches. Those timegrapher numbers point to needing a service, not only a adjustment. Though claiming warranty could likely result in them swapping whole movements simply for another gremlin to pop out of the gear train in the new one. Rinse & repeat.

@julianb1474 Год назад

If that's fully wound, then the amplitude number is one I've only seen on very old movements. Agree it's very poor. You'd be much better off with a $30 NH35 movement.

@ichris2011 Год назад

Yeah as someone else pointed out those timegrapher numbers are service time numbers. I have seen unserviced 50 year old watches with better numbers than that. I’d definitely take it to Seiko under warranty. What a massive shame though as I’ve always loved these king seikos. The 6R family seems to be a disaster. I have a SARB033 that for the first two years ran around +10 seconds now suddenly losing minutes per day. Seiko needs to address these movements, especially before sticking them in $2000 watches.

@NekoIan66 Год назад

My SARB033 is the same. I lose minutes / day but I didn't the first year or so. What's the fix? Get it regulated? Get it adjusted? A full service?

@ichris2011 Год назад

@@NekoIan66 sadly it’s gonna need a full service. It’s something with the balance assembly in the 6R’s that makes them either run poorly out of the factory, or run well for a while then just fully crap out. Rethinking it I would actually not send it to Seiko as it’s possible they’ll just replace the bad part with a new one that has the same issue. A watchmaker that knows about Seiko architecture should be able to identify and correct the problem for a long term solution. Sad that we have to go that route with watches that are really not even that old (or brand new in Jody’s case) but it is what it is I guess

@zwerko Год назад

@@ichris2011 It would cost far more to fix the issue than to just replace the movement, unfortunately. And at such price difference, it just doesn't make sense to pay for a competent watchmaker to 'fix' the issue-the issue might be the movement design, anyway, in which case not much can be done short of reconstructing it and fixing the design issue, which would probably end up costing many times more than the watch itself.

@ichris2011 Год назад

@@zwerko it depends on how much you like the watch really. If you just replace the movement there’s a good chance you will encounter the same issue either immediately or at some point down the road. I know from experience when serviced by a competent watchmaker familiar with Seiko, the 6R can run very strongly and consistently. I wouldn’t trust a new movement or repair work from Seiko as any type of long term solution. Like I said, depends how much you like the watch. If it were a brand new watch like Jody’s I would send it to Seiko for warranty repair at no cost and then sell the watch on at a discount (disclosing its repair history of course) when done and get something else. Something like a SARB or old school Alpinist that has been discontinued for quite some time I believe might be more worth investing a bit into its performance

@Klingonmastr Год назад

I have a Seiko Prospex Alpinist with green dial. While I love that watch I can't get over the fact how unreliable the 6R35 movement can be. Yes you do get a 70 hour power reserve which is nice but then having to constantly reset the time can be annoying. For a $700 watch like Propsex Alpinist the 6R movement is fine. Certainly not a $2000 watch though. If I'm going to buy a $2000 watch I would rather get a Longines, Rado, or Oris watch instead.

@snix7613 Год назад

I shifted my collection toward Citizen for the past year. Most of them are Promaster (with Eco-drive), thus I don't have to worry anything about the movements and what not. Once I got over being "mechanical-snob", somehow I found peace of mind lol. Btw, Citizen have alignment issues for

@kart182 Год назад

I love eco drive but also still love mechanicals. I can love both, wear both

@satya.anandakrishnan Год назад

I have a $130 Citizen Eco Drive and it still hits the markers dead on. Seiko can learn a thing or two

@TheMainCore Год назад

I love Citizen but you got to go semi vintage to fint the good stuff. 90% of modern Citizen is just meeeehh.

@DrKrFfXx000000000000 Год назад

@@TheMainCore I like the idea of the Eco Drive movement, but Citizens designs are a clusterfuck mess 99% of the time, there are very few clean designs.

@zwerko Год назад

I still don't get how almost all Casios (even their Edifice line) at

@WATCHingJames Год назад

I love it. I have considered buying one many times. I have a vintage 1970 King Seiko and adore it. But at the price they are wanting for this new version, even second hand, with that movement, I struggle to see it entering my collection. Oh and that beat error is terrible. I would be taking it into Seiko.

@TheMainCore Год назад

This is a truly great watch. A friend of mine just got the red one, he's totally in love and haven't touched any of his vast and expensive collection since he got it. Honeymoon phase sure, but still. (And this is the first watch that have made any of my rich watch-friends even look at Seiko. This was a great move by the brand!)

@stevemoon2136 Год назад

Beautiful watch. Terrible movement.

@brianmsahin Год назад

Oh by the way. I would definitely bring it back for a warranty repair, I feel that though the watch is unmarked, it might have had a shock, maybe hitting a wooden floor that wouldn't scratch the case. There's definitely a movement problem that may only get worse if left unresolved.

@TheTonyspoons Год назад

Completely agree - I've got a knackered 4R that no amount of 'regulating' will fix. Send it for warranty repair; if nothing else it will allow the onward sale with a clear conscience.

@UnburdenedByWhatHasBeen Год назад

Definitely a great looking watch. If a movement loses accuracy at low power by that much, usually its in need of a cleaning and/or lubrication. Being the watch is practically new im guessing it left the factory with a lack of lubrication.

@BrianHartman Год назад

Great review, Jody. :) I give them credit for at least putting sapphire on the watch. I was half-expecting it to be Hardlex. :) And at least it didn't have alignment issues. But you're right that it deserves a much better movement.

@mercster Год назад

Kinda ridiculous you have to pay $1000+ to get sapphire on a Seiko.

@rodlohin6988 Год назад

Agreed - price is too high. Nice watch if it worked. Maybe try to demagnetize as it seems to be dragging. If that doesn't work, definitely take it in for a service. Shocking amplitude.

@gcaps7973 Год назад

Back on the channel after losing interest in watches for a few years and its good to see you still pumping out quality content. Love the channel Jody! Just got a Heimdallr from my dad which reignited my love for watches. Good to be back.

@JustOneMoreWatch Год назад

Hey mate! Welcome back to the rabbit hole 🤣 thanks for finding me again. Hope the accent is still the same but the camera work is a little better than last time.

@xpusostomos Год назад

@@JustOneMoreWatchsurprised your watch collecting survived marriage... I guess the channel is doing ok 😅

@stevezodiac575 Год назад

So you've fallen off the wagon then eh? Welcome back!

@JohnRoman75 Год назад

Perfect opportunity for Seestern or San Martin to homage this watch and make improvements and sell for a fraction of the price

@paulgoyne6926 Год назад

I'm beginning to suspect that Seiko has decided that anybody who really wants to know what time it is will just look at their phone.

@traviswalker8933 Год назад

So why people with phones ask people who are wearing watches "Hey, what time is it?" Instead of looking at their phones?

@xpusostomos Год назад

Anyone who wants to see a pleasant watch with no misalignment, will also look at their phone

@traviswalker8933 Год назад

@@xpusostomos those watches already exist. You have to look at the right places, possibly your phone will aid in that too.

@dostoevsky90 Год назад

😂😂😂😂

@marksaxby607 Год назад

@@traviswalker8933 presumably if it's a Seiko to have a laugh at how far off it is!

@barryvercueil2346 Год назад

I would definitely take the watch back to the Boutique. I get amazing service from the Seiko Boutique nearest to me in Pretoria. They also have regular sales throughout the year. And I strongly agree with you that seeing the watch is person is best before buying. Cheers.

@brianmsahin Год назад

You got that right Jody. I have quite a few Seiko's including some of the old classics plus one Seiko 5kx which is lined up perfectly. But this, along with some of my more expensive Prospex watches, I have bought exclusively from the authorised Seiko store in my city. I can then physically check the alignment before opening my wallet and my man in the store even has a timegrapher and will check and adjust the movement if needed. Anything more than 5 spd and he does it. I will never buy a Seiko online. A tip. If the store price is a lot more than the online price, I suggest you show that price to the seller and you will often get it discounted to close the gap. It's ok to pay a bit extra for peace of mind and a local warranty which in Turkey we get 3 years even though 2 is standard.

@jazzbassjames6403 Год назад

I have a Mini Alpinist which is one of the cheapest ways into the new 6R movement. -Saphire -No bezel/chapter ring to be misaligned -good 3 link oyster bracelet -200m WR 400€ used with warranty! This King Seiko looks fantastic, but so does the Mini Alpinist, and has similar or better specs for a fraction of the price.

@belluco Год назад

I recently purchased a Seiko Lord Matic from the 70s for $100. Initially, it was running +15spd. I decided to have it serviced, which cost me approximately $50. When I received it back from the watchmaker, they mentioned that there were no signs of a previous service and it was still running +15spd. It has been a few weeks since the service, and now it's running at +2.4spd. So, for a total of $150, I now own an authentic Seiko vintage watch with a rich history. Considering my experience, I personally wouldn't recommend investing in the new Seiko vintage reissues until they implement significant improvements in their movements.

@tomcat561 Год назад

I did the same with an old King Seiko. Runs at a second a day.

@MrDziuka 3 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing your experience 👍

@philjackson3016 Год назад

Seems In keeping with Seiko's "less for more" policy that started with the 5KX. I'd like to say I'm surprised but can't. Be interested to know what Seiko would do with that one though 🤔

@NotThatOneThisOne Год назад

It's a really pretty watch that's very appealing. Since it's under warranty, I'd send it an detail the issues with the movement and ask it to be replaced. If they agree, you've at least got a working watch that you can sell on if you choose. I'd be tempted to keep it though.

@hugohugo37 Год назад

You can probably find actual vintage ones for way cheaper. There are some really nice quartz Seikos from that era with very similar cases for cheap. But I found out why they are cheap - if the movement goes you may be in trouble. Really nice cases tho.

@Ahcelaht Год назад

A while ago I was choosing between this and the Grand Seiko SBGM221. I think I made the correct choice in getting the GS. I still like this model and its bracelet though.

@ryangochuico Год назад

Grand seiko is not free from qc issues either. I got one brand new from a local boutique here in the philippines (sbgp003) and it has a spec of silver metalic dust under the crystal visible when hit by direct sunlight. And the slga021 i got brand new from the seiko boutique in ginza japan has a slightly wobbly crown when unthreaded. Both are not deal breakers and i still kept the watches. But just wanted to let people know that GS is not free of qc issues.

@fieldwalker Год назад

If under warranty Seiko will regulate for free if it’s out of spec - my 6R35 is now within COSC after being returned. happily it was only about a week on turn around. See in person and have a warranty if you can. GS you can buy used and years old with confidence. Spring drive seems bomb proof. BTW- I’d put the 8L35s and 55s and 5R65s as the watches just below a GS, not a king with a 6R. The retail on the kings is nutty, but you’re right, I tried one on and liked it way more than I thought I would! Gorgeous

@bigwangmark Год назад

As a lifelong seiko fan I was excited when they announced they was bringing the King Seiko range back but the moment I read the specs on the movement like most other people I literally sat back in my chair and said WTF-Seiko. Seiko seem to really be pushing hard to lift the price point of the Seiko and Grand seiko brand and the King is taking over from where the GS range used to sit as a starting price point but that movement just is not good enough and really is questionable even in a 1k watch. When other brands including well known ones offer a swiss made sellita 4 hertz movement for the same money or sometimes less I just don't know what game seiko is playing at now. At least the new models are coming with the 6L35 movement but then they are also asking $5200 for those models which places it really close to the GS automatic watches starting price.

@Sheppards1984 Год назад

Bought a seiko alpinist earlier this year, it was running +40 seconds a day. Terrible. I ended up regulating it myself with my phone and an app. however! there's a 10-30 seconds a day VARIANCE depending on the watch position 🙂 meaning it could run +15 seconds a day dial facing up, or -10 with the dial facing down I'm kind of used to it by now, having owned a few automatic seikos, but jeez.

@Steakkiller Год назад

I don't get it... Seiko themselves sells a Pressage Sharp Edged with a hi-beat gmt movement for less. What cocktail time where they having when they decided the King Seikos price?!

@tubejonam Год назад

Given a budget, should the movement be a more important factor when purchsing a watch, or the design and looks?

@SaffuillaKarman Год назад

Both should complement each other. An expensive watch should be equipped with a commensurate movement. Which Seiko has, yet here, they use one from a lower rung of their watch lines. GS and KS competed with each other, back in the day, so at the very least, they could have used a much higher spec movement in the new KS line. I have no problem with a 6R in a Presage. I DO have a problem with it in a KS costing 3 to 5 times as much. This is a Cash Grab by Seiko due to the growing popularity of vintage KS on the secondary market.

@DC-uf6ve Год назад

Now you've got me looking at vintage King Seiko again, THANKS FOR THAT

@lindenhoch8396 Год назад

Definately send it in for fix, no matter the long wait. They need to be made aware of the shortcomings, and perhaps if enough owners do the same things will improve or change.

@patrickford5793 Год назад

That one is a stunning. Bracelet wouldn’t bother me too much as I would probably put it on a piece of leather. The movement maybe old but I personally like the 6R. That time graph is unacceptable though. I would send it straight back to seiko. It’s there problem don’t let them get away with it.

@leadreviewer3257 Год назад

The look of the watch doesn't reflect the price..

@jayon467 4 месяца назад

You obviously haven't seen it in person

@bigsmooshflopdong33 Год назад

That is one of the better-looking red dials I've ever seen. Awesome watch Jody.

@jonoedwards4195 Год назад

I reckon Your right! Poor Old Seiko needs some new Blood.

@frederickhugo5650 Год назад

I just picked up my first two Seikos from the post office today and I've always thought that watch reviewers were being overdramatic when they complain about the quality of the bracelets, but this is the first time I've heard a watch bracelet make a creaking sound like a rusty bicycle. I own seven Vostok Amphibias and none of their stock bracelets ever did this. They still suck, but I didn't pay Seiko prices for them.

@ramspencer5492 Год назад

I can't get over that movement. Just the principle of it .... The push pins are ridiculous enough and in that price bracket, i would have thought more watchmakers using butterfly clasps would have implemented in the fly adjustment by now. I've seen the trope of mechanism that works for that. It's simpler than trying to do it with a divers clasp. Elegant too and probably the only way to ensure a proper fit with a butterfly clasp and that type of bracelet. The color is great. I like the style on the size. The bracelet looks amazing. I feel like they over did the sunburst. The The dial surface..... Lack of texture... Too much sunburst.... It lets it down a bit. They Make many more expensive looking dials on cheaper watches. It has quite a bit going for it I have to admit. The movement just kills it for me though. Sort of the last straw.

@davidkimrasmussen Год назад

Great review. I was quite disappointed when I saw one in Malaysia, earlier this year. Not that it isn't a nice watch, but the price for what you get 🥱 I personally wonder how it would hold up against the presage sharp edge with the red dial 🤤

@shaagaknowsyou5295 10 месяцев назад

The Seiko boutique doesnt offer discounts (on Grand Seiko at least) unless it's a 'pre-owned' watch which can also be a display model that has some blemishes from well, being a display model. They do offer discounts on those but you'll be out of luck getting a discount otherwise.

@johannoren2787 9 месяцев назад

Been thinking of this watch, it is stunning, but I cant buy it with that movement, rather get a GS quartz for just a little more money. Good video! Thanks!

@pafeso1659 5 месяцев назад

I agree

@stephenschroeder6567 4 месяца назад

I only have one Seiko - the Presage Mojito, and after @ six months of ownership, it gains about 15 per day. I binned the bracelet on arrival and usually wear a black leather strap. It's very comfortable and garners some compliments when I am around those who notice such things. I am planning on getting one of the new Presage Classics due out this June - the Araigaki. Unless I hit the lottery, those few Grand Seikos I would love to have will just be a fantasy for this old man. ;-)

@garethhanna9173 Год назад

I thought the 6R35 in my Prospex Alpinist Deep Lake was bad, gaining 1 second a day out of the box now gaining 20 - 30 seconds after a year. The workhorse Orient movements are usually much more accurate, Seiko need to have a word with them.

@TheBotleyBoy Год назад

That's awful. I've just got a new automatic Seiko that's only gaining about a second a day, but I hope it doesn't start creeping up to that sort of inaccuracy.

@turbyoulance Год назад

The accuracy needs to be fine tuned for sure. Other than that , it ticks a lot of boxes.

@zwerko Год назад

A few months ago I realized I no longer have any Seikos-I didn't plan to, it just happened that through a combination of exchanges & gifting I pretty much de-Seiko-ed my entire collection (I only regret giving away the SARB017, tbh). So, I went on a hunt for a nice Presage or ProSpex to keep in the collection 'permanently'... Many stores visits and ten online purchases/returns later, I've given up. They really, really need to step up their QA game.

@Stricko72 Год назад

Pretty watch and that bracelet is a good modern take on the 70s designs. Shame about the movt, its not a cheap watch and you like it as a keeper so I would take it into seiko to get sorted or if you don't wantvthe wait take it to a watchmaker to to get sorted (though that will cost you)

@mattm1854 10 месяцев назад

I ended up going with the 600 piece limited edition 39mm Chrysanthemum dial king seiko. It has the 4hz movement, and is worth the money. The finish is amazing. I have watches from Grand Seiko, Rolex, Breitling, etc, and it holds its own in my collection.

@rbcroosendaal7381 4 месяца назад

Such a beautiful time piece ❤

@nosceteipsum1931 Год назад

Prefer my Rado Golden Horse- also maroon dial. A good price on the Seiko though....

@davidmeddows6074 Год назад

Or for an adjustable clasp, assured quality & a selita movement, plump for a Christopher Ward Sealander.

@biggles54321 Год назад

I have one. Seiko sells dials and Tissot sells Powermatic 80 movements for a third the price, more than accurate enough for grab-and-go watches.

@mattsmiley8156 Год назад

King Seikos from the mid 70s can be had from just a few hundred bucks. Get a nice bonklip strap and you have a cool vintage watch with a hi beat movement. Not this Seiko cash grab.

@witte2702 Год назад

go through the warranty / service process and document it. i personally love the look of the watch, but iirc the bracelet is pretty much adjustable in 1cm iterations which is more than a bit ridiculous & combined with the inaccuracy (even within spec) of the "cheap" movement. it is a no no for me. 2nd hand in a few years not impossible though. lovely bit of jewellery.

@RedwoodAggie Год назад

Seiko really either needs to push the 6L35 down a bit in price or come up with a newer in between movement with more accuracy for King Seiko. You definitely are paying for the finishing here and it's quite nice. I've tried this watch on in person. I have a slightly bigger wrist than you and find it a touch smaller than I'd like. I do like the slightly bigger SPB155, so it's really not far off on sizing. I think I'd like the new 39mm models, but have not made it up to my AD since those were announced. I would love to hear that the 6R55 movement in those is more reliable, but am not holding my breath for anything beyond the 2 additional hours of power reserve.

@ryanhood1867 Год назад

Lovely looking watch, but Seiko have done it a huge disservice using a 6R31 movement. These movements are unregulated from the factory, but worse, they are not properly lubricated. They often run okay out of the box, but within a year (and often less) show poor performance. A full service and regulation will have them running as they should . . . but come on, Seiko! This is bad enough on an SPB317 (the rather handsome new Slim Turtle), but it's absolutely unacceptable for a King Seiko. They should have used a no date version of the 4S movement - a renamed caliber 52, the last movement used in a KS. There's a brilliant opinion piece on this on Beyond the Dial - Google 'Why the 2022 King Seiko Relaunch was a Misstep' if you fancy a dive into a bit of Seiko movement history.

@patrickarellano4823 10 месяцев назад

i'm consolidating my collection. I bought a universal geneve polerouter after selling a vintage tank, a vintage LeCoultre and a Lorier. I was thinking of picking up this King Seiko but I'm torn since the beat rate is slow and I feel like they're charging a lot for considering the more affordable seikos are so good. My other choice would be an Oris Pointer Date.

@les9920 7 месяцев назад

Just had mine delivered with the brown dial. Great looking watch was lucky to pick it up for under £1000 brand new.

@dunderhay9169 Год назад

Great looking watch, so nice not having a date window. Mechanical watches in this price range are tricky, it is unacceptably slow, but just within spec so the warranty may not cover regulation and at that price doing it yourself is a risky business.

@josephgittos3787 Год назад

Have you tried to de-magnetised the watch before doing anything like sending it back, people think a magnetised watch speeds it up but it can also slow them down. Nice bracelet but I am now not a lover of butterfly clasp due to digging into the wrist and irritating me

@DavidDatura Год назад

Great looking watch and build quality too. But yeah, that movement! In this price range Seiko should at least be offering their 8R series caliber…which I believe the first limited edition had a couple of years ago. I have the 6R35 in my Alpinist Ginza (the favorite Seiko in my collection) which I still wear on a regular basis a couple of years after purchasing it. Back then the movement was gaining around 10 secs a day, which I thought was good for a Seiko, but now it seems to be nearer a minute! With their economies of scale, they should really do something about this. There’s a lot of strong competition for them now, with many great microbrands out there, even fellow Japanese horology giant Citizen, have been improving their mechanical offerings over the last few years as well. So Seiko should at least try and be more competitive. PS. Why can’t Seiko finally master the watch bracelet? (Even with their GS brand) They’re gradually improving, but everybody else seems to have already mastered it, even in the affordable categories 🤷‍♂️

@DisplayKeesBack Год назад

Good looking watch, reliable movement (Rather a working Honda motor than a unreliable Ferrari motor) if they have normal +/- fresh out the box. RRP is to high, don't get me wrong. If you like it, and can get it under a 1000, I see no problem. Would I buy it? I would go Christopher Ward, Baltic or maybe even Mido.

@gz7587 Год назад

No question, send it back on warranty with your time graph readings and description of the problems.

@johnkollias6782 Год назад

I just picked up a brand new King SPB-291J with the beautiful lavender colored dial. The dial is the big winner. The lavender is very subtle at the edge, but very intriguing. There is no question the Kings are the level between the Presage and the GS. Great lines and polishing and the bracelet is one of the best Seiko has put out (which you acknowledged). Your concerns about the the movement 6R31 may be a bit over reaching. I have read some articles stating some tweaking has been going on over the last year or so, and many reports have been written stating the accuracy is closer to -5 to +5 seconds. We'll see how that plays out. Seiko is a brand that has been here for well over a century and has a proven well regarded history. I also own 2 vintage kinetic style models , one of which is the SMY-001P Diver and the bezel lines up perfectly with the indices and the second hand is right on the hash marks. Bottom line, this King Seiko is a keeper for me.

@JM800 Год назад

Pin and collar, nope, for the price. Considering that 99 percent of watches are CNCd, stamped, and laser cut/engraved, very little labor was involved in the final price. It didnt grab me, or my wallet.

@LS98 Год назад

Beautiful watch, just a shame they put a 6R in it. I recently purchased a Seiko Astron Solar GPS, I got a discount, but I feel that it was worth the price. I’m beginning to think that maybe it’s good to go quartz or spring drive when buying Seikos.

@massafelipe8063 Год назад

I have 2 Seikos, one with 7s and other with 4r, they are good and all that, but they simply are not a good timekeeping devices. 7s especially is pretty much unusable since it cannot be handwound.

@saphna2095 Год назад

I wish it had a liittle bit of lume on the hands like the sarb had, thin enough not to lose the dress vibes, but for check the time in the night

@dspserpico Год назад

Movement accuracy, the achilles heel of new Seiko. Still can’t quit them though.

@Leby69 Год назад

Chances are the movement wasn’t lubed up properly from the factory, have had a similar issue with a couple of 6R35’s

@adamski101 Год назад

I bought a brand new King Sumo but returned it necause the crown action was horrible. Gritty, notchy and it just felt wrong. Well the replacement was just the same! A screwdown crown that felt like somone had partially stripped the threads. It went back for a refund. Seiko really do need to sort their QC.

@bjornniemann6318 Год назад

I have this watch and i love it. They just released a new version with the 6l movement. It’s 39 mm with date 🥹 also cost about 3000 euro 😅. So i’m going to keep this one. Love it more then my higher end watches and it got me looking into the vintage pieces and the lovely history of seiko. My vintage 44-9990 is running beautiful!

@finesse49 Год назад

I'd happily wear that watch. I'll never spend that much for a Seiko, though. I have 2 watches with 6R movements, both of which run with good accuracy.

@Mythicregard Год назад

Two times lucky!

@jasonbrocious3805 Год назад

I was at the London boutique last week. These really look nice under glass - they’d be a great watch with a better movement and maybe a pair of half links. Probably a little small for me though. Passed on the Road trip GMT (for now) and ordered the cream Bambino v6 from Amazon when I got back to the states. As for what to do with this: How expensive is a replacement movement? Maybe a 6R15 or if there’s a no-date equivalent in that precious gen…

@Ian-dd5dm Год назад

Lovely, I think this will stay in your collection it just looks so good from all angles. Pity about the accuracy but you can get that sorted and it out does the SARB for looks.

@EdVanMeyer Год назад

I am a fan of Seiko, having had a Seiko 5 new in 1983, I still have some 5's from the 80's. Modern Seiko's in the upper bracket are good but realistically I can buy a used Longines for the same money as a new prestige level Seiko. I think the modern higher end Seiko watches are nice quality and the designs are good plus those with cases at 41mm size are a decent size over the old seiko 5's at 37mm.

@MrKanjidude Год назад

I initially put it off as just looking like a Seiko Presage mounted on a metal coffin, but seeing it on your wrist I am warming up to it slightly. I like the modest size. The performance/movement does not bother me. Premium watches are not about objective numbers and "value".

@taham33 Год назад

>Buy premium watch >Don't get accurate time I don't get it

@ChristyOFaghan Год назад

gorgeous piece, pity about the QC on the movement: but if 20 minutes with the caseback off will sort it, not the worst problem in the world no way i'd buy Seiko at RRP nowadays though

@BetamaxBabe Год назад

I agree, the brown and red would be my choices, but I could get a Monta Noble for roughly that amount with a higher beat movement.

@islandterror5198 Год назад

Sending it back for servicing will create half a years extra video excerpts and has to be the way to go . Did you know about the issue beforehand ?

@chuckgladfelter 10 месяцев назад

Honestly, Seiko should just give up on the 6R movement and use the 4R, which is more accurate. My 4R Seikos are pretty good but my Green Willard varies a lot.

@watchalot919 Год назад

I am presently selling a Mitch Mason Chronicle, which is similar in dimensions and specification, although I think the Miyota 9039 in my watch is better than the 6R movement. Of course, the Mitch Mason is a fraction of the price. The 6r movement in my Alpinist was also very poorly regulated when I bought it, so I had the back off myself. It now runs reasonably accurately, but the positional variance is pretty awful. After all, it's just an NH35 with a longer power reserve !!

@the5th2000 Год назад

I have an SPB297 62MAS and I love it, but the hands are ever so slightly out of alignment and it drives me mad. Can hopefully get it fixed at first service. In other news I've just modded a Steeldive Willard that I got in the Ali sale, and the bezel on that lines up perfectly!!

@karlnorgaard9447 Год назад

I like the definition of the hands, I got a titanium eco-drive Citizen thats barely legible.

@alanwilkinson4080 Год назад

The King was not entirely kiboshed by quartz - and I suggest folk grab an old King Quartz - as they are small and beautiful in their own right! Plus they are usually a great price.

@greamespens1460 Год назад

I have a Pagani PD1734 that kinda looks similar. Looks ok.

@bt3750 Год назад

I really like these. The movement and the 12mm thickness on a 37mm watch are the issues that prevent me from buying one.

@67NewEngland Год назад

- If you sent it in Seiko likely would tell you it’s expected to weaken that much at the end of its wound cycle👎🏻 . I guess if you want a Seiko with sapphire and a signed crown nowadays you have to spend over a grand US. Or you could buy a Lorier Astra which has a vintage domed hesalite crystal and Miyota 9015 movement on a very similar bracelet for about US499. Hard to beat the value for money with micro brands. Which is strange given Seiko’s high production amounts equal reduced cost per piece.

@jonathandoughy3430 Год назад

I sent my SPB143 in to Seiko twice under warranty to “fix” it’s poor performance. Both times, the watch was running poorly again after a few months. Then I sent it in a third time and strongly suggested the watch needed a new movement. They put a new movement in it, and now it finally runs strong and very accurate.

@JasonTheWatchGuy Год назад

Love seeing new Seiko reissue...however, I hate seeing the price that follows

@adamnagy7599 Год назад

If you are anything like me, wear the watch poorly regulated while it has it’s novelty phase in your collection. After a few months, when your attention shifts to another style or color, send it back to Seiko when you won’t miss it for a few months. By the time it comes back, you will likely be excited to add it back into your watch rotation and it will be keeping proper time making you feel even happier than before.

@kyledriscollmusic Год назад

there is a misalignment. they misaligned the lug width to what people actually want. The bracelet is pretty sick though so I guess it's forgivable, seen better dials with the Presage line however

@ulmen24 Год назад

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. If you want quality in Seiko move Up to the SLA or SBEX models. The low end and the high end are where the value is found, the middle $800-$2k sucks

@lancetews1173 Год назад

To quote Mel Brooks "It's Good to be the King" I like the look of the bracelet and the Red dial I only have one red dial in my collection but it was about $1300 aud less than this and quartz so much more accurate but not as classy.

@luigipreti2823 Год назад

I can just say I bought a Grand Seiko Hi-Beat (Night Birch) in September 2022. It did not see my wrist yet. Why? Because it runs too fast! I did sent to GS in Japan for three times (each time they kept it for three months) and it is still there. Never never again.

@etpourtant7512 10 месяцев назад

Accuracy is an important factor, but not as important as the look and feel of the watch. Any Casio quartz watch will have better accuracy than an automatic watch. King Seiko watches may not have the best movement they deserve, but their price range matches their overall quality and beauty.

@franciscomoliner1296 Год назад

Hi Jody, they should pop in an NH movement and include it in the afordable Presage line for ca. $400-$500. Regards

@stevenwymor1398 Год назад

Amplitude is FAR too low. Should really be at minimum around 250 and most of the newer 6Rs amplitude is closer to 300. It's likely a lubrication issue. I would either have that movement removed and completely cleaned and serviced or simply ask to have it replaced. It's well out of spec. And Seiko movements tend to run faster as they reach the end of their power reserve, not slower. I also saw that amplitude wasn't even registering on the timegrapher near the end. Seiko should either fully service it or replace it. I would opt for the clean and service because that way, you know it will be done right. If they just replace it, you might get another dud. It is a gorgeous piece though. If you like it and plan to keep it, have it serviced. You could also spend a few hundred and have a local watchmaker do the work if you don't want to wait for Seiko to handle it. If I were you, I would walk into my local Seiko Boutique and play them this video on your phone and ask how they can fix it. I'm sure you'll be taken care of given that you still have the warranty. Flex your muscle Jody.

@Beanerds Год назад

I love my 6R35 in my SUMO , its running about 5 seconds per day fast , a great movement and love the 70 odd hour reserve , the 6R15 in my 1963 re-Imagined is about 15 seconds per day fast . I like this King Seiko and I say keep it Jordy because its not the type of watch you will ever see again at that price .