Dragonheir had a lot of problems. The season format was really stupid. Having to regrind for everything every season turned a lot of players away. I finished the first season and the idea of having to start over again made me quit. They would lose a lot of players at the end of each season because of that. Not a great business model.
Same, which is a shame since Dragonheir was actually quite fun. It's why I uninstall Diablo 4 too - the idea of having to regrind everything is bitter.
As long as Dan plays and does content for WoR how could it ever fail? EDIT! Ok, when Dan says 5 other games he played shut down, that worries me...a LOT.
This is what happens when we live in a day and age where games have stopped being about creating an actual good game and just making a game designed to milk money from players pockets
Right? All these games are just reskins of other games. They make all this scummy stuff then see games like monoplyGo make 2 billion in 10 months then crank up the scummyness because they want that money too.
I don't know how, if this thing is related with the rumours of: "It's closing the US servers because its publisher is a subsidiary of TikTok, and the US government is currently trying to kill TikTok and has labeled it a foreign adversary. That's the "special circumstances" behind the server closure." We are screwed, because Moonton is a subsidiary of ByteDance as well I believe (at least from what I can read in Wikipedia)
Matt Mercer weirdly is the kiss of Death for Gatcha games. He’s voice acted for Magnum Quest, and now DragonHeir, which soon after both games jumped into a dumpster fire and shut down. I dont think matt did anything wrong, but if a dev really thinks that getting a D&D voice actor to voice one of your characters/cutscenes rather than funding advertisements and the actual gameplay.
Tried DH, lasted only a day or two. Came to WOR with the global launch, have most of the heroes and am finding myself playing less and less now…wasn’t thrilled by the anniversary events.. don’t feel the completionist/upgrading grind pull like I do with Raid..something is feeling “meh” to me.. can’t put my finger on it🤷🏼♂️
Dragonheir had a huge gameplay problem. They put all their eggs in the story-driven part of the game. The day-to-day gameplay was absolutely terrible. The daily boss fights were not compelling, and the daily missions were so tedious and repetitive. They had the best campaign story by far, but once it was over there was no reason to play. That's bad for a game that lives on its daily grind. Dragonheir also never got its summoning balance right. Too few summons and the lower tier summons capped at epic heroes. They tried to correct that recently, but I guess it was too little too late. There's also the problem that it's so hard to figure out what's going on early in the game that they probably lost a lot of players to confusion. WoR's daily gameplay is much, much better. They also have the best summoning balance I've seen. In fact, it might cause them a problem down the road because it's too generous if anything.
As soon as I saw the that normal summon pool for Dragonheir wsa capped at Epics, I was like nahhh I am good. And honestly, I didn't even really care for the main story missions after the first couple days of playing.
Again, they're not shutting down because people aren't playing. It's political. The recent season has seen very great improvements. F2P players being able to get up to 20 heliolite dice every week was a good one too. It's unfortunate for US players and I agree with Dan, it doesn't give a lot of confidence for gacha generally
I saw the writing on the wall once they said we had to regrind all of our achievements every season from scratch, one of the dumbest and stupidest gameplay ideas ever. And on top of that they made it insanely difficult to get legendary heroes for the first couple of months for average players. Meanwhile, we had to watch content providers flaunt an endless pool of legendary Champions, while telling us how good the game is because they're spending hundreds and thousands of dollars. What kind of gaming is that? They need to repurpose the game's assets into a non-live downloadable single player game with online features for steam, PC and mobile games. What a waste of all of that beautiful artwork, time spent and incredibly well designed characters, plus beautiful locations. Fire the game director! Dragonheir would make an awesome story driven turn-based RPG game.
@@junlarue1 all this because of a political issue? The game isn't shutting down, they're only pulling out of the US officially. Granted, the US accounts for a large portion of the player base but only time will tell how that affects the game. The current new season had been a fun one for F2P players btw.
There needs to be some kind of contract holding these studios accountable, like minimum 5 year development plans. Forcing them to keep servers running ect ect because this is insane.
easy fix: just dont spend ALOT on these games, set your budget to around 50 bucks a month and be done with it, will make the game more fun too without it feeling like an '' i mist play it daily cause i have sunken thousands or hundreds into this game ''
@@nunopereira526 yeah whenever that happends to me i just quit the game. Marvel snap for example, all i did was go to the in-game store. Check the new variants/skins, do the dailies and log off
It's so hard to find good games we got really lucky with watcher of realms. I played dragon heir and when they season ended and they reset everything, but heroes pulled the game was a hard pass for me. Other than having to listen to the entire story sections again you HAD to buy the auto runs. So, they pretty much forced you to sign up for the monthly pass otherwise the game was such a massive choir to play. I also played magnum quest which had a massive free summon newcomer event which is when I started playing then after that launched they put the game on auto pilot and disappeared until the game was taken down and relaunched. They gave vouchers for people who spent. But all progress was lost. And the new format wasn't really any better. The only time they went to fix the game after they left it was because a glitch happened that sent out like 5000 special summons instead of 50. I spent like 5 hours just summoning and building characters then a day later they reset the entire game back to before they sent those out. Most games I play out of pure boredom because I work a mindless security job for 8 or more hours and have nothing else to do. I play AFK arena, Marvel Strike Force, Omniheroes, watcher of realms, and I just started Ace alliance which it says is in beta. I tried AFK journey and it's not that great. But I don't really spend anymore, and watcher of realms is my main game if I try something new, they get that $1 intro bundle and that's it lol. Everything else I play for free. It sucks you lost money as these games just take then vanish or rebrand under a new name. I first started following you when I started that future style gotcha game can't even remember its name lol. But apparently it died shortly after watcher of realms launched which is when I uninstalled it.
Supposedly a lot of the gachas from China are getting shut down in the U.S so maybe watcher of realms is next ngl. I really hope not but I dont see how they wouldnt be next
tbh i click on this because i got clickbait by the tittle, but yes i am WORRIED that this game would have the same fate, but in my opinion, its still young, and it has quite a lot of content. as long as they keep on giving us new content we should be fine and we shouldn't be worried about anything.
That sucks. I was strongly considering trying Dragonheir because of the D&D tie in. My only other Gacha game shut down 5 or 6 months ago. They stopped supporting the game or adding new content in the run up to the end. It was RPG Dice: Heroes of Whitestone. Apparently it's maker, Wimo Games, went out of business.
Thanks for the news! Interesting news at that. I have only been playing Dragonheir the past few months and intermittently at that, but I think its pretty good in terms of gameplay I've been able to access, other than the gear system, which I have found to be bothersome. Unfortunately, though, Dragonheir wasn't compelling enough to get me to play it on a daily basis like WoR. Silver lining, I guess, for the playerbase is that its just the U.S.
Thanks Dan. I enjoyed Summoners Glory too. X-Heroe or Heroes-X, seems like it had a couple different names shut down too, Maybe they are making games with a short life cycle on purpose? Especially with alot of games using the same in game mechanics, just tweeking them a little?
Dragonheir and WoR are owned by the same parent company but are two different studios. They are both being sold since the parent company is getting out of video games.
Was really hyped about Dragonheir, loved the artstyle BUT they did the huge bullshit to use the seasons format. That was a huge let down and I ended up not even trying it. Gacha and seasons isnt a good match.
Right why the fuck would anyone want to regrind all their characters and content every few months. I couldn't imagine waking up tomorrow and seeing all my watcher of realms stuff reset except for my characters and being told to go do it all over again.
I think WOR seem to be pretty good and listen to the players. Take the Brave Conquest for instance. Instant back flip on what they changed and sent us Ancient Summons. I think they are good signs from the Devs.
I only played dragonheir briefly just to try it out and honestly it was a fun gacha game. Didn't expect this Hope WOR has a few more years before it reaches this point. Although thats up to moonton
Looks like you don't know what company is WoR being developed. Since 2017, i still play their games, specially MLBB. Moonton is very fine, stable and successful.
you mentioned kabam which butchered mcoc which is at least unique playstyle. I got a global ban because people were having open conversations in global chat about "kid love" and I reported it and in chat told them they were vile. I got a perma mute for hateful speech but was able to see it was still ongoing before I quit. sank 10-15k in that game prior but just washed my hands of anything kabam touches.
@@77fallencircus I played in 4loki for a bit when it was all whales. Majority of us left after awhile because it seemed to be just continuously bad decisions by kabam. Downside is that mcoc had Brian grant, seatin, etc and a bunch of awesome people I don’t see anymore lol
You want a game that got rid of gotcha system, kinda, marvel future fight. That game charges on costumes where everyone can get them, and doesn't bleed players to try to get a character where only whales can get.
Yep, I logged in and was like wtf is this and was sent like 50 messages from people telling me I'm dumb and should read the fine print. Guess the jokes on them now cuz they've probably been playing and spending since and now it's all gone lol.
Love the game. Play it every day. It's only shutting down in the states. They've already released a new roadmap for the rest of us. I'll still be playing. Prolly quitting inariel tho getting kinda bored of that one. As to the gift we all get that reward including us folks that will still be playing. I'm happy for it 😂
Is it standard for Gachas to return money to players if they shut down or does their TOS state that they are not responsible for players accounts in the case of a shut down that protects them legally?
Also depends on where they're based out of. If you check developer info and it has cayman islands as their address don't be spending money lol. I doubt China corps would be giving mass refunds like that either.
Obviously the shutdown of all those high end titles is because of you, be a contract creator to any of such games and yes, shutdown incoming 😅oh and yes you should be worried about watcher of realms for the same reason! Is it a myth or true that bad omen exist.….😮 Anyway bro I was just kidding and thank you for updating us to what's happening lately in the gaming industry, however if we consider the team behind dragonhier is just a couple of developers company then there is nothing to worry about unless they announce otherwise reasons..
Don't be stupid, this is the new generation of gacha games! they will run for 2 years max, they get all the money that they can and after they close, doesn't happen with all of them but it's happening now more frequently it's like having a restaurant for a few years collect all the money that you can, don't pay creditors and suppliers and after apply for bankrupted. stop wasting your money in shitty stuff that never gets you anywhere, help the need and the poor instead!
Hey Dan, so I just recently started playing Dragonheir because WoR was getting stale lol. I've put $500+ in the game but all within the last couple months. Any chance I can get my money back? Worth fighting?
no offence intended but dragonheir was overrated, overhyped...when I tried it, it was disappointment one after another for the whole 3 weeks I gave it a chance...maybe just don't invest money in these things, you'll feel better about them floating away. you're already investing so much time an effort in the videos. I mean there's a reason gatcha is closely associate with gambling, and why I avoid most of them, they all first and foremost want your money.
it's not completely shut down, as you say. I am not on US account and I am happy to be playing this game in the future. Btw, did you read the roadmap they posted? This game went from great to awesome :D and I cannot wait
Honest question as to why you'd ever want to regrind all the content in a mobile app? Have to rebuy all the summons rebuy all the tickets to fast grind. It's insane.
F the company i just call my card company and dispute all the money 2k. ya i spand 2k thy cant just run away with my 2k and close the sever thy can f them self
@@ccgod oh, you think it's a case of them legally not being allowed anymore? I thought, maybe they weren't profitable enough because of sanctions... its bad for the players and the studio either way 😕
@Ikezu1987 idk what sanction they could put on a mobile app. Perhaps it was something with their game code. Generally, it's much easier to change something than to just close the app. But it had to be something they weren't willing to give up to allow it in the USA. I'm just glad I quit playing after the first season.
Hey Dan awaken chaos era and eternal evolution are still alive and kicking…when you said they would be dead in less than a year ..::so what about them apples
