ANOTHER Pastor Exposed Secret Sin?? 

After watching Chris White's new video, "Once Saved, Always Saved?", I've developed a new understanding of Romans 7. I now believe that the passage is about the carnal man, not a regenerate man. This realization has allowed me more room for holiness in my life. I was previously using verses like these in the wrong context. Once I understood that I am no longer that wretched man, I felt empowered to make significant changes in my life: to stop using curse words, to stop watching sinful TV and movies, to stop being surprised at the world for acting like the world, and to diligently attend church-not for my own benefit, but to please God, to worship Him, and to be there for my brothers and sisters in Christ, as well as the widows. Paul writes in Romans 7:21-25: "I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin." This passage illustrates the internal conflict Paul describes, highlighting the struggle between the desire to do good and the reality of sin within. The key point is that while the problem is the ongoing struggle with sin, the solution is Jesus Christ. Paul is not saying he continues to live in that wretched state; instead, he expresses gratitude for the deliverance through Jesus. This understanding has given me a new perspective on my spiritual journey and a greater sense of freedom to pursue holiness.

This was certainly handled better than other scandals 🤔.

Weird question,but are you blind or deaf?(I can’t find the vid of you clarifying[Imma askin this,so I can better pray Second Corinthians12:9-10over you])

we have lost our fear of the Lord. We swung the pendulum too far from legalism to now a point of just living whatever life we want in "grace"

Another "Pastor" that doesn't see God even though his face is omnipresent. Another "Pastor" leads people to believe that Jesus doesn't actually show himself to people who obey him like he promised in John chapter 14:21. While Jesus actually does show himself to people who obey him and I prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt on my RU-vid channel with thousands of examples.

Depends how long this secret sin has been going on,I had a pastor who got CAUGHT looking at porn in his office,he confessed he’s had a porn addiction for years!! Not an impulsive sin,but one he obviously nurtured while preaching,did Tony come clean after getting wealthy first,getting caught etc…

@@goricaj1 From what little can be seen of the article at 1:40 the sin was at least 1 year ago, likely more. Probably 4yrs or less if the wife he shared it with is the one he married at the end of last year.

Agree, our church leaders are normal people like just us but with more responsibilities

True

❤️ Yes God help us all. 🙏

what about self control by the powerful pastors themselves.....

@@mariajmc6557 only because the person holds a title doesn’t mean they are exempt from falling. If they were exempt then the Gospel becomes irrelevant. We fall short because of our sinful nature; only through Christ alone we are forgiven and because we chose to trust on God’s grace and mercy that we are forgiven, we as a person become enemy #1 to satan, those responsible to guide and teach others are prime targets. If satan can make a minister fall, there’s a chance he can break down a believer but if the believer sees the minister owns their mistakes and seeks forgiveness and restoration, that believer is able to continue trusting God - and the battle never ends

Amen.

Jesus is Good. Jesus is God.

Very well said

While I think he did the right thing people have to judge every day

its too easy to talk shit and everyone accepts it as if it were cute and innocent

Stain or sin lol?

@@CLDJ227Biblically, the word stain is a synonym for sin…

@@spiritNtruth333 Ok, good to know.

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Yeah but we’re not pastors held to a higher standard. We will have to wait and see what the facts are.

You're kidding right he said this happened years ago, so you say he's repentant for coming forward years later. Be Interesting what it was that he needed to wait years. Now I know no one is without sin but to wait years , I smell something is about to be made public. I'm sure he'll retire a millionaire and go out and give it to the poor, no not really.

@@jimmybrowning4888 Unless you are uniquely involved and have details the rest of us do not, then you quite literally have no idea what "the sin" is.

​@@jimmybrowning4888😂😂😂 We Christians love to tear each other down.😂😂😂

@@bryonstevenson1084that sounds like something an unbeliever would say but you’re right. We do.

​​​​@@jimmybrowning4888 You are already sinning by claiming a false witness against him. Let's just pray for him and eachother and edify eachother like Christ commanded. (In no way is this comment aimed to one up you or make you feel bad. Please reconsider to have mercy for the brother as we are all a broken people. May you have peace from whatever is going on in your life brother and have compassion for Tony, God bless )

Well said.

Well said. Been there, done that, myself.

He said he committed the sin a few years back why didn't he step down a few years back I believe someone that work for the church found out about it and told him he had to step down

@@Kris-hu5wx yeah, most likely. However, it is possible his conscience bugged him

@@KristiLEvans1 yeah true

True!

AMEN 🙏 ❤️. At least Tony Evans took responsibility for his sinful actions. I'm glad brother Jon McCray spoke on Christian apostolic judgement and biblical standards of morality which isn't prevalent in our modern society. I'm a 24 year old single Christian virgin guy working as a special education teacher and clinical mental health counselor. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict. Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. 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I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " Origin of The Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word. Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant

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I've been convicted of that recently as well.

Repentance means you take responsibility to stop gossiping by relying on the power of the Holy Spirit to change.

@@I9s7lam5is-S3tu1pid Thank you. Repentance and fasting will release them for deliverance. My sister fasted from social media and talking unnecessarily in the place of food and she saw deliverance from gossiping.

Then, know this, you are waiting in the devils playpen. There is a lot of gossiping going on on yt., lol.

why do you judge females so harshly but for evil men molesting the flock both mentally and physically you all defend him?

Amen I'm praying for him 🙏 ❤❤

What does the Bible say about ..”beyond reproach “??

@@FixedinHim not true! Only God is beyond reproach not men

@@FixedinHim Misogynists are NOT true Christians!! They don't follow Jesus they follow the traditions of men, not God! Jesus is an Egalitarian. Misogynists are trying to Usurp God's authority over all females because without forcing them to breed they cannot form their big powerful military and without their big powerful military they cannot have any power over females at all or over anyone else and they won't be able to destroy other countries. These liars are terrified of women's and girls freedom in society and the world.

Unfortunately, It was after David had hid his Sin and was exposed by Nathan.

It's none of my business either. It sounds like he's just having a hard time and he needs to do what he needs to do. I suspect the mess with Isreal isn't helping.

Yes, but at the same time those in Leadership positions, James 3:1; Leviticus 21:6 & Luke 8:3; are & should be held to a much "stricter" standard & before being permitted to ever become part of the leadership or it's role it should be publicly made known to the congregents before EVER being placed in an authoritative position. It's obvious, he had not done so! are

@@ronaldganczak2699You’re very wrong! He has been in ministry for 48 years as a senior pastor and stayed away from a sinful lifestyle and kept his name clean. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, he has led probably hundreds of thousands to Christ! Yes, there is a higher standard that he will be held to, and he has clearly made an open confession and made it known that he’s holding himself to that standard and stepping down. Stop trying to discredit a great man of God. Take your self righteousness somewhere else.

@@spiritNtruth333clearly he didn’t keep himself from sin did he? Duh

Once saved always saved is not true. Please don’t spread this false teaching.

​@@JesusChurchBibleOnce Saved Always Saved is the true, real Gospel of Jesus Christ. All other doctrines are that of demons...

Also hope his congregation heals!!!! Smh

we will not have to answer for anyones sins but ours , its between HIM AND THE LORD , I attended a Mega Church and this happened and our Pastor was treated horribly , I was shaken but not moved, there is none RIGHTEOUS NOT NOT ONE , remember when your pointing out anothers sins there are three fingers pointing back and you . JESUS FORGIVES , HIS LOVE < GRACE AND MERCY and FORGIVENESS are NEW EVERY MORNING. ONLY GOD KNOWS THE HEART OF MAN . STOP JUDGING BECAUSE YOU SIN DIFFERENTLY . PRAYERS FOR PASTOR EVANS , HE SPOKE AT MY FORMER CHURCH A FEW TIMES AND HIS SON CAME AND SANG a FEW TIMES !!! To God be the Glory

No it's not. Pastors don't resign and elders don't let them if the sin or issue is not warranting the decision to resign. It will almost guaranteed be an extra marital affair.

@@locophoto6881 Dr. Evans didn’t resign, that is, unless you have information that the rest of us are not privy to. As a further matter, the elders can’t make a pastor stay he chooses to resign, which is neither here or there since Evans hasn’t officially resigned. Lastly, even if you personally know 1000 pastors, you don’t know most pastors. By all metrics, Dr. Evans isn’t “most pastors.” Statistics would suggest I am “most pastors,” that is, relatively unknown, serving in a church with no elders, doing my best by God’s grace to honor Him as a fallen human being.

@@lc3507 "Stepping down" is synonymous with resignation. Especially when no amount of time is referred to regarding this supposed "heal myself" total bull crap in a Biblical use of the term...most absolute dung of an exit comment that Church issued. Elders would not support a resignation in any way, and elders would not support publicly the grounds for a resignation being sin in his past if Tony was "holding himself to a higher standard"....the elders would allow the resignation but clarify to the body that in their view the sin issue doesn't warrant a resignation but Tony wants to leave kinda statement....full endorsement and support and ESPECIALLY in such a low key hush hush casual bomb drop of a surprise like they did all speaks to ugly ugly truths that none want exposed. Ravi Zacharias was not fooling those closest to him....but they covered it up....I really believe personally it's the same kind of known issue that's been hidden for financial gain of all involved and is now somehow or some reason at risk of going public so Tony quit, possibly as part of an arrangement, I don't know...but this is never ever ever something so small or noble as "oh the pastor is just being too hard on himself". Most juvenile and unBiblical comment I've seen in a long time, as elders are an authority within the Church for correction....and are supposed to be very astute at applying the Word and in handling matters of all types to God's Glory. Clearly that's not happening here.

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Amen. If you do not forgive your brothers and sisters, how can I pray to my Father whom is in Heaven, to forgive you?

I think it was because of the way Dr. Evans handled the situation. He didn’t let people expose him, he exposed himself. James 5:16 - “Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed.”

I am sure people prayed for them but some of these people kept doing blatant things openly to the point no one in the world want to become a Christian,also these people seemed to repent more as a way to restore their image.Tony Evans should be getting all this support,he has never been a detriment to the gospel unlike those other ones!!!!

@@kiki7507I was going to say the same thing. Many people wait until others expose them to shed light, and although he did not go into the details of what it is, which obviously the people closest to him were made aware, he still made it public that he was stepping down, and that is something that I can respect because he's acknowledging that he did not make a righteous judgment, which we all do every single day of our lives. I can respect a leader who is willing to come to terms with their imperfections, and humble themselves in this way.

Finally a comment with some actual common sense.

@SJ-fj1cj Sounds to me like they did what they should have done. They kept to what 1 Timothy 5:19-21 says (The text underneath is not the verse) "Of course, pastors should be expected to sin less as they grow in Christ, and they should understand that some sins will cause them to be disqualified from leadership, but congregants should understand that all people - including pastors - will battle with remaining sin until they die and see Jesus face to face."

A righteous life is possible for any believer of the faith but a sinless life is not. Pastor or not we will end up falling short at some point until we resurrect with heavenly bodies

Thank you for saying this! Reading those comments were making me dizzy!

Faithful pastors exist, but they’re not likely to be the famous ones that people get super impressed with. The most faithful ones are usually ones no one but God and their congregations are likely to know much of anything about. And it is possible to be a growing Christian without gross sin destroying your life if you are trusting Christ, putting your sins to death each day by the power of the Holy Spirit and his grace, and are growing in knowing and applying God’s Word more to every aspect of life in a context of a healthy, biblical church together with other imperfect Christians seeking to do the same.

Yeah and the fact that Ravi never confessed, covered it up, and continued doing it is even more devastating

His son still has up the blog defendingravi. Can't post a link but it can be found. I think anyone should consider that side as well, in a spirit of fairness.

@@szilardfineascovasa6144why would we consider that? Do you not believe victims?

@@szilardfineascovasa6144 I hadn't heard about this. I will check it out. Thanks so much

@@szilardfineascovasa6144 Thanks so much for this info. I hadn't heard about this blog... reading it now.

He can't come back to the pupit

I would definitely want someone to pray for me, too. 😊

That it happened several years ago stood out to me too.

It's disturbing. We all sin. But those who are pastors are held to a higher standard and the bible says what that standard is. I think it's fishy to repent of a hidden sin years after the fact because that is not what the bible says to do for pastors at all. 1 Timothy 3 New King James Version Qualifications of Overseers 3 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); 6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. If clearly states in verse 5 if a man cant rule his own house how can he take care of the church. It's not my opinion.

Pastor Tony didn’t lead alone. He was the face, yes, but not alone.

He had a board of elders.

Shows you he is just a man a human we all fall short and need God's mercy every morning

It doesn't mean he's not. We all sin. He's done the right thing being accountable. God can restore.

He’s still a man of God even in the Bible men of God fell short they repented and God still had their back

Another sign of end times it seems.

He still is. The fact that he stepped down proves it.

We do not confess to another person, but we humbly come before Jesus and ask Him for forgiveness. Priests are also men who need to bow before Jesus' standard of living. Jesus was never of any religion, and those who follow Jesus through a religion have never been spiritually awakened because when one reaches the level of obedience to Jesus alone they will now know that all religion's are now of Jesus' way. Those who have their spiritual eyes and ears open will understand what l say. Jesus said My sheep hear My Voice and a stranger they will not follow. Do you hear what your spirit is saying. The bible was written so that we would know what God through Jesus did for this whole world, but it is our spirit that must be connected to our Creator, and now obedience and truth will come freely from those who are known. Shalom

the NT Scriptures have 27 books. that is where biblical Christianity is found. there is no evidence the disciples of the Lord kissing statues, wearing brown scapulars, praying with rosaries, praying to dead saints, selling forgiveness for money, performing a ritual (mass) to deliver souls from a place that does not exist (purgatory), rubbing their foreheads with charcoal, calling any of the apostles father (forbidden by Jesus, Matt. 23:9) claiming to be infallible, rejecting matrimony (Peter was married, Luke 4:38) confessing their sins to a man etc. etc. apart from all that, I don't find any of the disciples of the Lord trying to rule the secular world by threatening kings and emperors with superstitious excommunication, torturing and robbing multitudes as the RCC did during the Inquisitions and Crusades. in fact the Bible condemns such behavior, "As a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings, and a partaker of the glory to be revealed, I appeal to the elders among you: Be shepherds of God’s flock that is among you, watching over them not out of compulsion, but because it is God’s will; not out of greed, but out of eagerness; NOT LORDING IT OVER THOSE ENTRUSTED TO YOU, but being examples to the flock." 1 Pet. 5:1-3

# 1-calling the pope or priests father is forbidden, Matt. 23:9. # 2-praying repetitive prayers is forbidden, Matt. 6:7. # 3-the Mary of Catholicism is a fabrication. Jesus had brothers and sisters from the womb of Mary. Matt. 13:55, 56. Joseph began normal sexual relations with his wife after Jesus was born. Matt. 1:24, 25. The Bible says there is only one Mediator between God and man, 1 Tim. 2:5. Catholics claim Mary is a co mediator with Jesus. this is false. you engage in endless praises of Mary. When a woman praised her to His face, did Jesus commend and encourage this woman to continue praising Mary? "While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it." Luke 11:27-28 Mary is NOT the Queen of heaven. she can not forgive sins. # 4-Catholics think the sacraments are a means to receive grace needed for salvation. the grace of God is given freely to the humble who repent of their sins, Jam. 4:6 # 5-Most Catholics believe the Apostle Peter was the first pope and was not married. Peter was married, "Now Simon's mother-in-law was lying sick with a fever; and immediately they spoke to Jesus about her." Mark 1:30. # 6- idolatry. Catholics regularly bow down to idols, icons and images of Jesus, Mary and the apostles, kissing the feet of the statues and praying to them. the Bible condemns such practice. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. "You shall not worship them..." Exd. 20:4, 5. idolaters go to to hell, " But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, IDOLATERS, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Rev. 21:8 # 7-necromancy. Catholics are necromancers by praying to dead people, including Mary. the bible forbids this practice, "or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD." Deut. 18:11, 12 "And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?" Isa. 8:19 # 8-scapulars are superstitious amulets. there is no evidence of Christians wearing them in the book of Acts. # 9-there is no purgatory. Pope Innocent IV invented it in 1254. # 10- the doctrine of extreme unction is false. # 11-the doctrine of "holy" water is false. # 12-the canonization of dead people is a blasphemy. # 13-celibacy is false. # 14-there is no evidence in the NT Scriptures of men confessing their secret sins to unknown men in a confessional. we confess to a known person a fault we may have committed against him/her and ask forgiveness from that individual for that particular offense. Luke 17:3, 4 this is what Jam. 5:16 is referring to. ONLY God can hear and forgive the secret sins of sinners. # 15-the catholic mass is a false ritual. Rome claims its priests have the magic power to transform the wafer into the literal body of the Lord Jesus. but this "miracle" is only an illusion. the wafer remains a wafer. when God gives men the power to perform miracles, a real miracle takes place. when Jesus turned the water into wine, the water was literally transformed into wine.

Paul wasn't living in sin and hiding it. Paul was referring to his NATURE...not his behavior...in his NATURE, his flesh, he is a slave to sin like us all....but Paul was not using his free will to INDULGE in sin. Very very wicked to twist Scripture into diminishing what God says about teachers being held to a higher standard, and Paul met that standard, hence Paul never having to step down, or...be struck down like in the case of Ananias and Saphira....very very wicked sincerely to minimize sin and emphasize ONLY Grace when the Bible has lessons and Instructions for a myriad of situations, and not all situations call for unending Mercy....punishment and pruning are real, and I'm speaking from what God says, not from my flesh condemning a brother named Tony that is no greater than any of us, nor less valued than any of us....but all of Scripture applies to him like it all applies to all of those Redeemed....it's God's Glory to cover a matter, and in all likelihood, there is MUCH covered if elders are allowing the pastor to resign privately, as the alternative is bringing the matter before the Church publicly in many cases. We have no idea what's really been found, confessed, denied, or done....but it's never ever ever a minor issue when the Church correction is one of a pastor needing to resign is the truth. We can all choose Grace, but Grace is a salve to be applied to guilt, not innocence, so let's not diminish God's Word or the example of Paul by lowering Paul's obedience to be equal to a pastor that had to resign. Paul endured beatings, torture, imprisonment, and didn't falter.....Tony has done none of that....and seemingly, has faltered greatly, to which is Grace Available for HIM to choose, and we can and should likewise, but we also can should likewise look at every situation through every accurate filter of Scripture....and Paul saying he was the greatest sinner doesn't mean Paul was....you've missed the point completely if you think that....Paul could see himself as the greatest sinner of all because he was most intimately aware of all his thoughts, heart postures, behaviors...and can't see all of that within anyone else....but in light of seeing alllllll of his own internal thinkings and sin and actions, and unspoken ugly words like we all do, yes, Paul could humble himself to acknowledge to God that in his own view of himself he is the greatest sinner of all, which in reality, means he was really the most humble of all and whose attitude is recorded for OUR EXAMPLE to likewise see ourselves as....NOT for comparing Tony to Paul and use Tony's sins to be less than the "greatest sinner of all" who was far far far more enduring of great physical torment and pain repeatedly without growing bitter, or diving into sin to escape, or vindictively having those who tortured him hurt or ruining their lives which anyone with a brain can figure out how to do regardless of the era....Paul is an epic example of faithfulness, showing the distance we call can travel from the starting point of a foul and murderously evil sinner...to closing the distance between that vile sinful character that we all share as our starting point, and the character of Christ of whose Righteousness we are imbued with but are not equal to in our embrace or exuding love from.

Yes that moment in Jesus ministry is about the religious leaders and the extreme hypocrisy. Plus interesting when jesus drew in the sand the jews of the 1st century thought of God writing the 10 commandments with his finger.

That's absolute hogwash. Scripture candidly talks about false teachings & fleshly behavior in the last days especially! If further indicates for the sake of the Authorship of that teaching or behavior, we must judge accordingly with scripture 'if" it is sound or not & then ensure that if behaviour &/or teaching is false or of the flesh we ARE to recognize this individual as such BUT (& I emphasize BUT) we ARE NOT to judge anyone's salvation, which can & is to be restored (as the prodigal son). Further scripture "emphasizes" the significance of a leader / teacher's standard being "much stricter" (James 3:1; Luke 8; Leviticus 21) & this behaviour / teaching be scrutinized by the board & depending on the nature of the "sin" congregants, much more deeply!

@@ronaldganczak2699You sound a lot like the Pharisees… Usually when people speak from this condescending place like you’re doing, they have hidden sin that they don’t want others to know about. You sound very self-righteous. You need the same grace that we ALL do, including a pastor or leader who has fallen in a moment. I hope you’re able to receive the same grace that God offers when you get exposed…

I agree with ronald, spiritual leaders should be righteous men. If their caught up in sexual sin they should def step down.

Says every sinner in America who justifies their own sin....

He is about to get busted. That’s why we know he isn’t sincere, he’s only bringing it out now because somebody else is about to.

Oh really? Tell me more!

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This!

It could still be in his heart and he wants to concentrate on that

@@4knewt505The statement says he will start the process of restoration... how could he have been left to lead or allowed himself to lead if sin had damaged him to the point he needs to repent and be restored? Aka he was leading from an unrepentant heart for YEARS

Agreed. That’s partially why I have such mixed feelings about this whole situation-when I first saw a news article, I assumed that it was some recent sin. Was shocked that it was from near to beginning of, or prior to, his ministry taking off.

Thats lazy and dishonest.

I agree that we definitely need to put our trust in God 1st & always. However, in His infinite wisdom and sovereignty, This was no surprise to God. Yet, He still placed an anointing upon this man as He did with David & Peter. Please be careful with saying someone is not or appears to not be remorseful, because we weren’t there back then, nor were we there when he decided to step down. I pray he will continue to have his family’s love & support during this trying time. None of us know what awaits us, only God does, and His hand of mercy is outstretched for all those who call upon Him❤

O am not necessarily disagreeing but the verse of Paul beong the "chief of sinners" I think is in referenece to his past primarily about hos former way of life. I do not believe that it is correct to use this verse the way that Whaddyoumeme used it.

People like you need therapy.

Well said brother.

that is very sweet of You to recognize that we all fall short .