In this episode Trent replies to Muslim apologist Shayk Uthman’s arguments against Christianity as well as his case for Islam. To support this channel: / counseloftrent
I am a convert to Holy Apostolic Catholic Church, from Islamic background. This rebuttal is very informative, Trent. Those rehashed arguments from Uthman is a misrepresentation of Holy Bible. Comparing Holy Bible with quran is unfair as the latter has no chronological arrangements, a jumbled up messy product of human imagination. With quran only , you require Holy Bible to know the story of prophets such as Abraham, Noah, Job, etc. Or the 200 years later fabrication in the form of Hadith.
This is why proper catechesis is important. A lot of the street apologist arguments are elementary, but can be tricky if not learned about the simple things.
@YAJUN YUAN he just means it from the perspective of teaching. Not everyone is an apologist, but even those people should still be taught the proper things.
I must say that level of dishonesty is typical of a great number of Muslim apologists. They'll do anything to win an argument and convince the audience.
@Brian Farley Nobody's saying their methods are unique, but you won't find as many Protestants or even atheists being that fraudulent. I haven't in 15 years.
@@vaderetro264 And in fact this is not surprising, since the mission is not the advancement of truth or even more broadly the transcendentals per se, but rather the advance of the dominance of their religion. This is a fundamental distinction, by which their religion explicitly teaches that all means, including conscious deception, is allowable, whereas Catholicism explicitly teaches that the advance of truth, and indeed any transcendental, is both good in itself and contributes to the furtherance of the Kingdom of God.
@@nomen6 they are Islamic names mate, nothing Indian about them.. please also note Indians have nothing to do with Islam other then the failed invasions, the forced conversions and the Islamic carving of India to create Pakistan and Bangladesh..
Wow. Trent , this is a dry area. Expect backlash back and forth from Muslim apologists. They all gang up and make videos , that's all they always do. They also ask the people in their groups to mass comment on videos. Edit: If they agree for a debate, make sure to put your terms before debate like allowing to post it in your channel, moderator with equal time for rebuttal,No offensive language /personal attacks etc.
But your religion teaches that you and the Muslims worship the same God, Muslims are part of the plan of salavtion, and a "good" Muslim can be saved. So why are you acting so antagonistic towards Muslims and Islam? Are you anti-Islam or an Islamophobe? :) *But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God* , who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. *Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life* . (Vatican II, Lumen Gentium Para 16)
Hey y’all, God bless anyone who sees this. There is this thing called the gospel that is the solution and cure to sin, and the skepticism of whether theres an afterlife or not. (Gospel means good news btw). I beg you, watch the video of the gospel in my channel’s playlist it’s not long. If you don’t want to, I just want to let you know that all you have to do to be saved eternally from hell, whether or not you will believe in God from that point forward, is simply to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who died for all of mans sins (past, present, and future) and rose again the third day. If you are wondering btw, this isn’t a bot comment. I made it fresh but copied it a bunch of times.
First mu$lims destroy your trust in Jesus and the Bible., saying; was corrupted. no shame!. Then the Quran COPY'S the Bible N teaches U; Christ was born of the Virgin Mary. He IS in heaven alive and at the end of time HE will come back to judge humanity. JESUS is God the son? YES of God the Father? YES. God the son can pray to God his father ? YES. Jesús is fully God ?. YES . Jesus fully human? YES. son of God the father.DIVINE Son of Mary HUMAN. 2 natures 1 God ,🙏🙏🙏.
I know it's a tall order, but consider defending Catholic religious practice from Buddhist syncretism. It seems to be one of the most insidious treacheries, allowing for great misleading of the faithful. Thanks for your work!
The Catholic Church is quite possibly the most powerful champion of syncretism among religious institutions in the entire world. Pope Francis even said that all religions believe in the same God and that is sufficient for salvation. It seems the OP doesn't quite know what he's talking about.
@YAJUN YUAN yes thank you Captain Obvious that is precisely the point I'm making. The Catholic Church now preaches syncretism in it's most absolute form. It is the decree of the multi-culti Pope that all religious paths are equally valid.
Another historical error found in the Quran is the claim that we believe the Trinity is Allah (God), Jesus, and Mary. Quite a blatant error, for something they believe to be the literal words of God.
@YAJUN YUAN Painting an honourable image of virgin Mary on a wall is completely different from drawing her in a children's book. Why would you even consider that as an argument? E. Lobel who collaborated in dating the papyrus said that it dates between 250-280. 3rd/4th century is the range that's cited the most often so don't cherry pick. Even if the papyrus were to come later it doesn't indicate that's the time when the prayer was first used. It could very well be a later transcription. We know that at least by the beginning of 4th century intercessory prayers to saints were already in use, so to struggle so hard against the possible existence of a Marian prayer from the same period is pretty futile. Also, the title of Theotokos was already used by the year 250 in Alexandria. Don't forget that in the gospels she is also given the title of Kecharitomene without even being baptized first. So your claim that Mary was considered „no different from other people“ is ahistorical but also non-scriptural.
@YAJUN YUAN Doesn't matter, kecharitomene is a word that was crafted specifically to adress and describe Virgin Mary. You're nitpicking. I agree that it's not the location of the painting that matters but the NATURE absolutely does. Do catacomb paintings havr the same nature as pictures in a children's book? Depictions of Mary vary from one to the next since we don't have a photo of her. It doesn't matter what she looks like but who she is/who's being portrayed. There are paintings of middle eastern, european, east easian, black Mary etc. Again, you're nitpicking instead of focusing on what actually matters. On the intercession of saints Methodius:„Hail to you for ever, Virgin Mother of God, our unceasing joy, for to you do I turn again. You are the beginning of our feast; you are its middle and end; the pearl of great price that belongs to the kingdom; the fat of every victim, the living altar of the Bread of Life [Jesus]. Hail, you treasure of the love of God. Hail, you fount of the Son’s love for man. . . . You gleamed, sweet gift-bestowing Mother, with the light of the sun; you gleamed with the insupportable fires of a most fervent charity, bringing forth in the end that which was conceived of you . . . making manifest the mystery hidden and unspeakable, the invisible Son of the Father-the Prince of Peace, who in a marvelous manner showed himself as less than all littleness” (Oration on Simeon and Anna 14 [A.D. 305]). “Therefore, we pray [ask] you, the most excellent among women, who glories in the confidence of your maternal honors, that you would unceasingly keep us in remembrance. O holy Mother of God, remember us, I say, who make our boast in you, and who in august hymns celebrate the memory, which will ever live, and never fade away” (ibid.). „Atticus, sleep in peace, secure in your safety, and pray anxiously for our sins” (funerary inscription near St. Sabina’s in Rome [A.D. 300]). “Pray for your parents, Matronata Matrona. She lived one year, fifty-two days” Cyril of Jerusalem: „Then [during the Eucharistic prayer] we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition . . . ” (Catechetical Lectures 23:9 [A.D. 350]).
Catholic here.Ironically living near ancient kingdom of malabar which is basically the place where an alleged ancient Indian king ruled from who many muslims claim to have seen muhammed's moon split and converted to islam. But even this king Farmas lived centuries apart of Muhammad(considering there have been multiple kings with the same name and all of his traditions miss this event muslims claimed to have happened in 7th century)
Hi Trent, aside from you, I follow a Non-Catholic Christian apologist who devotes his RU-vid channel disproving Muslim claims. His name is David Wood. I believe you already know of him. If I remember correctly, Wood had engaged him before in this same area in one of his RU-vid Videos. I am Glad that you took the time to share the Catholic stand. Thank you very much.
@@truthiseternalheisjesus9156 Technically you can lose an argument but that doesn't mean said argument all of reality bends to your will. Truth is unchangable not flexible.
The tension between the Gospels of Matthew and Luke were addressed by Julius Africanus in the 200s in his Epistle to Aristides. It jives with what Trent said. Needless to add, this matter was settled 400 years before Muhammad walked the earth.
I'm a Catholic, live in a Muslim country and find that the practice of Islam is not that prevalent. Most people 90% plus ignore the call to prayer (5 times a day). However, most muslim men practice Ramadan ("no food or water" during daylight hours in the spring time ... I'm being general here). Which is quite severe in a warm country, and some can be a bit grumpy during that time. But generally, throughout the year, most Muslim people are kind.
I never understood the point of Ramadan, where they'll fast in the eyes of the public and later at night they'll eat everything they didn't eat during the day.
@@ne0nmancer I never understood the point of Lent. Where you only abstain from meat but wait fish, eggs, butter counts. Fast twice on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday and eat three meals. What a joke religion
Hey y’all, God bless anyone who sees this. There is this thing called the gospel that is the solution and cure to sin, and the skepticism of whether theres an afterlife or not. (Gospel means good news btw). I beg you, watch the video of the gospel in my channel’s playlist it’s not long. If you don’t want to, I just want to let you know that all you have to do to be saved eternally from hell, whether or not you will believe in God from that point forward, is simply to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ who died for all of mans sins (past, present, and future) and rose again the third day. If you are wondering btw, this isn’t a bot comment. I made it fresh but copied it a bunch of times.
The moon splitting in two in the Koran was probably a partial eclipse. We have the Sun Spinning daily in Medjugorge according to Witness also look at this happening a Fatima in Portugal. As Christians we have come to downgrade these events although these are not in the distant past but ongoing in Medjugorge, fatima is only 100 years ago. Look at the Tomb of St Chabel Lebanon visited not just by Christians but even Muslims who go to Pray to Jesus..
This dude will avoid formal debates at all costs. He doesn’t want Christians to have equal time and the public to see what the material really says. And in that way, he is talented at misdirecting and changing up the subject to berate Christianity and try to prop up the Quran
11:43 Trent attempts to downplay variations among Christian literature as "minor" but having entire books omitted from Biblical canon is as far from "minor" as you can get.
@@mugsofmirth8101 that's a misunderstanding of the Christian Holy Books. The Oriental Orthodox Churches have different numbers of Holy Books that are useful for teaching in church, and for study. They were just about to access a set of Scriptures that others churches don't (or didn't) have.
Raised (nominally) Catholic, felt a strong attraction to Islam in college through studying ibn-Arabi and the early Sahaba on my own as I knew nothing about the rise of Islam, spent years practicing Islam without ever formally converting. Part of the attraction is a sort of pull towards my own background as a Spaniard, with Islam being a major part of our historical identity. So there were deep roots being formed, and it hurt to have to cut them eventually. Ultimately what brought me back to the Church was precisely this: Muslim apologists' arguments (and the style of the majority of them, which struck me as very salesman-like, except Shabir Ally, whom I really respect) didn't resonate with me and almost insulted my intelligence. Not to mention the issue of the crucifixion verse in the Qur'an, which is incontrovertible to me as verifiable historical fact. That weighed on me for a long time until I accepted that my aesthetic devotions did not override my understanding of history and reality. To me, God placed that single crack in an otherwise beautifully coherent system; for "he who has ears, let him hear." Great work on this, Trent.
Shabir ally????? You do realize this guy is heretic he was called out long ago And have u seen the Christian apologist majority of them are half brain idiots or liars And am interested what made u convert to Christianity
About the crucifixion the Qur'an says the killed him not they crucified him not but it was appeared to them so and in the next verse it talks about the Jews saying that we killed him and today they say we killed him so I don't see your point
Popular Muslim apologists are the reason I left Islam. Dr. Zakir Naik was well and truly an insult to our intelligence and I'm glad you moved away from him. But, to be fair, you should try real scholars and academics that argue for Islam. For Biblical studies, Ali Ataei is highly recommended. For philosophical Islam, Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is fine for beginners. For theology and mysticism Timothy Winter is recommended. This is just stuff on RU-vid though. If you want authors and books, let me know
Asadullah Ali and Abdullah al-Andalusi are fairly popular Spaniards reverts to Islam, although they don't have much content online anymore. You could look into them if you want
Ah the freedom of religion in America. Imagine you, Trent, being able to stand in public square in Iran, Syria, or Saudi Arabia. Then say the exact things in this video or even about the truth of Christ. Maybe one day God willing.
@@HumayunMohammedit was a response to your guys jihads into our lands religion was the psyopp we both used to fight the wars it's simply wars of conquest so stop being angry about it Christians don't really want to care about the crusades morally but y'all force it upon us so much. And secularists too
This was a fun video! I used to watch David Wood quite a bit, and if I'm honest, I prefer your calm style over his far more satirical vibe. Of course, he's still quite fun to watch as well :) Keep up the good work!
I feel bad for my Muslim friends. For us, Christians, our trust in Jesus depends on the testimony of Jesus's disciples who lived with Jesus. For my Muslim friends, it depends on one person who never lived with Jesus.
@hamba458 muslims love to use that verse, thinking it disproves the diety of Jesus. The problem is that you don't understand what he's saying. Try again, seriously.
@hamba458 I don't think you understood. Why are you talking about bible scholars suddenly? I'm saying muslims misunderstand that verse. You think he denied being God. He didn't.
Trent, that transition from Uthman talking about not being able to see the moon during the day to you next to the pictures of the moon during the day was hilarious. (Though I know it probably was not intended to be 😄) 51:27 Great response!
As an astronomy nerd and someone who went over moon phases as an astronomy TA, the number of people who don’t realize the moon can be out in the day is quite sad. Of course, they also admit to never looking up from their phones and don’t go outside at night much.
Trent, love these videos! I listen to your podcasts all the time and just discovered some of your additional youtube videos. Keep up the good work and God bless!
The Imam here is pointing out many of the errors with and of Protestantism. Once saved always saved, removal of books from the original Canon of scriptures etc. Lol Thanks!
@@patrickbarnes9874 dude, Luther wanted to remove the books of Jude, James, Revelation, and Hebrews.... he found them to be disputed like the rest of the books he removed. How could y'all blindly follow a man like that, who suffered with scrupulosity. What he did is not reforming, that is just a mess.
If so then Dawah people will spread things like "Trent did a video with David wood so he's agenda driven " and they'll throw ad hominem attacks .Just like they did with Dan brubaker.
Outstanding discussion! Very helpful! Your video setup looks fantastic! Regarding the preservation of the K0ran, there are over 30 officially sanctioned published textual variants other than the 1924 version of the textual variant published in Kufa in 796 AD known as the Hafs version of this book. Hafs was made the official variant version of the schools sanctioned by the Egyptian government in 1924 and is the most numerous. The other common variant is called the Warsh which was published in Medina in 812AD. These other variants are derived from over 5 generations of Readers and Transmitters from all across the Middle East during the medieval period until 1429, the last of which were chosen by al-Jazari. They contain over 93,263 differences in the text from punctuation and words to whole phrases. Early written Arabic was a consonant only written language. When vowel points, jots and tittles were added later, these additions introduced thousands of textual variants to the early manuscripts that appear across the Middle East. The texts contain significant evidence of tampering, erasures and additions to the texts in different scripts and ink color. Evidence textual tampering survives into the modern era in manuscripts. There is also significant evidence of the earliest manuscripts having a base underlying text that appears to be Syriac Christian liturgical songs that were modified by scribes to become Arabic texts we know today. This appears to account for the high number of unintelligible words and phrases and single use words and phrases that appear nowhere else. The high number of these words and phrases explain the high unintelligibility of the book with over 30% of texts unexplainable by scholars.
Could you provide a source for this? The "unchanging nature" of the Quran keeps coming up as an argument point with someone and I want to read about it
Here is a quote by a non-religous scholar: “Essential Christian beliefs are *not* affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.” (Ehrmann, Misquoting Jesus, appendix paperback edition, pg 253) He admits here that the New Testament has been *reliably transmitted* , because he knows as a textual critic that 99% of the text has been reconstructed. The remaining 1% is completely negligible. Therefore, the muslim apologist is completely WRONG about the Bible. ___________ In addition, ALL non-religous scholars claim that Jesus DIED on the cross (not a twin). And ALL non-religous scholars reject the Quran. I recommend the channel *"cira international"* and *"pfanderfilms"* .
Trent for your first point Islam believes in destiny. alla destined every one as per Islam. Ex Islam says Adam can’t be blamed for sin as alla destined him . Watching Christian prince videos on this topic will be much helpful. Also remember Islam allows to lie (Taqia) to spread islam. So don’t expect honestly in discussion. Better talk with their books to defeat their claim .
@@c.g.jonesze9089 Of course it is! Taqiyya (sacred deceit) is a practice ubiquitus in Islam. In the words of Sami Makarem, PhD in Middle Eastern Studies: "Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. PRACTICALLY EVERY ISLAMIC SECT AGREES TO IT AND PRACTICES IT. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream. (...) Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era." - Al Taqiyya fil Islam (Dissimulation in Islam), 2004, p. 7. Not surprisingly, the definition of “Taqiyya” is itself part of Taqiyya. Shia muslims will swear that it simply consists in denying to be a muslim when someone might kill or torture you for it. Sunni muslims will insist that it's true, and that only shias practice it anyway: sunnis are trustworthy fellas. Needless to say, things are a bit different. Taqiyya is such a detailed practice that can actually be divided into several sub-practices: >1) Taqiyya: Denying to be a muslim or that a certain practice or belief is part of Islam ("Military warfare is not a part of Islam!") >2) Kitman: Lying by omission. Like not warning the police that a brother is planning a terrorist act, or quoting only part of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills a person "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind") while neglecting to mention that the prohibition only refers to the Children of Israel and that the rest of the verse (and the next) COMMANDS muslims to kill in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief". Two words that muslims interpret VERY flexibly (any criticism of Islam and any attempt to halt its spreading is mischief and corruption). These are just two examples of their command to lie, in complete juxtaposition to Christian commandments to NOT lie.
@@csongorarpad4670 Wow, so we got another christian here trying to tell muslims what their believes r, and then accuse them of doing taqqiya as a scapegoat when gets proven wrong, what u mentioned as the definition of taqiyya might be appliable for shias only ( and I honeslt don’t know since I am not a shia myslef ), however I can tell u as a sunni muslim that tiqya is just lying or pretending about ur religion ONLY when u r in danger or u r afraid u might get hurt,( which is common sense), other than that, taqiya is actually prohibited in sunni islam, and that is not just me, it is also the sayings of all famous scholars such as ibn katheer, ibn taymiya, al qurtobi, and many others, now I know ur little brain is not going to believe that, but please, if u think u r right and I am wrong, then please provide me with any evidences, show me the source or the place where it says that sunni muslims at least are allowed to do taqiyya if it doesn’t have to do with their live safety, if u can’t (which u won’t) then please shut ur mouth, I honestly knew I would meet these type of comments as soon as I clicked on the video, and it is hilarious, how when comments like urs r confronted, u won’t be able to reply to.
@Luke J my point isn’t about wheather the quran makes sense or not, in fact I don’t even know y u made the assumption that I am muslim, all of what I was trying to do is point out the stupidity of the person with the original because the comment that he made is repitative and racist, and yes he does have a little brain, a person who makes claims and generalizes people without doing research but gets his knowledge by only listening to biased youtube videos is indeed small minded
So heartwarming to see all the well-informed and relevant comments about Islamic preachers using lies and deception. David Wood, Christian Prince, Jay Smith, Apostate Prophet & others really did a great job educating people on these issues!
@@paulrichards6894 What does Nazism have to do with Christianity? Was Hitler a Christian? I understand that you are Jewish and you have the impression that Christians hate you, but it's quite the opposite. The only ones who hate and accuse us of crimes of which we are not guilty are you. שלום עליכם
@@paulrichards6894 your statement is based on feelings. And you know that. Hitler was an atheist. The whole regime was atheistic. Nowhere in the New Testament christians are exhorted to do such things. I understand your pain and I am with you, except that if you read the Torah more carefully, you will see who is the one who hates you and wants to destroy you because you are God's people. He can take the form of several ideologies. But he's behind your persecution.
I would love to see a debate between you and a Muslim apologist. I've yet to find one on RU-vid that has a Christian debator bringing up the points that I think would be most prevalent! Thanks again for a great video Trent
@@shamounian Any honest Christian apologist TRULY filled with the Holy Spirit will CONDEMN the Vatican II's romance with Islam. Light has NOTHING to do with darkness.
There isn't much evidence to support the traditional narrative of the history of Islam and a lot to counter it especially the linguistic evidence. Also, the god of Islam is a capricious and legalistic god akin to the worst caricatures people make of evangelicals.
Conversation with flesh eaters Q: Is Jesus a God? A: Yes Q: So who many seated gods are there? A: Only one God? Q: Where is Jesus? A: He is sitting next to the god. Q: How many gods are in heaven? A: Only one. Q: Are they sitting on the same chair? A: These words are understood only by the one who has the holy spirit. God sacrificed God to God in order to save God's creation from God. God prayed to God for help but God didn't help God, and God killed God with help from humans. And that God is a father of himself and the mother of himself and the son of mother he created at the same time. He is also eternal but his birthday is... (lollslls😂😂😂)
Might one be forgiven if their initial assumption was that Muhammad's "miracle" was merely the description of a case of severe flatulence gone horribly awry?
The ironic thing about these deceptive Muslim apologists is that in their own sunnah (sahih Muslim) they have a chapter dedicated to their backward salvation.. Chapter 8 : The Acceptance Of The Repentance Of The One Who Kills, Even If He Has Killed A Great Deal Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (ﷺ)? I said: Yes. Also in reference to genealogy, not one (legitimate) soul can connect Muhammad to Ishmael or anyone one for that matter even his own father Abdullah is in question some say his uncle was his real father. They have very strange way to attack Christianity but seem to lack thought in their own books that flip all their haughty arguments on its back. Either way notice how all their “refutations in defense and arguments and attack” are always done by “Islamic scholars or Islamic historians” etc smh we should know better when it comes to these supposed truths to take it with a grain of salt. They try to fit Muhammad in anything that has to do with someone recorded in the Bible to the point where it just now looks desperate. It’s ridiculous
I don't know how RU-vid kept your channel from me all this time, but I'm glad I found it. Brilliant stuff. HUGE fan of apologetics, philosophy, debate/argumentation... Believer and follower of Christ (by His mercy and grace). I find Islam to be absolutely fascinating in how it's defended and evangelized. Biggups to Mr. McGuire and his Daily Dose of Wisdom Channel which led me here.
Trent, you're a fantastic apologist, but you can't approach Islam the way you do atheists or other Christians. Instead of showing why Uthman's claim is wrong, you need to show why his objection condemns his own prophet and books. For example, his first objection, where he falsely claims that Christianity allows you to commit any sin you want and still be saved so long as you believe in Christ, and he says he can't accept that. Well, he has a problem, because Muhammad said the same thing. In Islam, kissing the black stone removes your sin (Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919). Simply doing a good deed erases your sin (Quran 11:114), or you can simply say a bunch of prayers and be forgiven any sin at all (Riyad as-Salihin Book 16 Hadith 1419). Another example, on Bible corruption, the Quran affirms the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Christian scriptures, as does Muhammad in Sunan Abi Dawud 4449. Nowhere does the Quran say the Bible has been corrupted.
False the stone is just a stone it’s your action of going to Mecca and touching the stone. That’s the good deed that will help you in judgment day and as for the Bible being preserved this is just laughable when the Quran talks about injeeel it has nothing to do with the New Testament
@@dragonofchaos7843 50-60 years is not late. In case your math is rusty, the difference between 60 years and 600 years is ginormous. The Quran can never and never will be the word of God. Muhammad is the most obvious false prophet in history.
Then why does Trent Horn have to argue like a Protestant to deal with Uthman? It's actually Romanists who fall short, very short. Those same arguments in Trent's video can be turned back on your "Sacred Tradition". Wait till Uthman finds out that the first "infallible" declaration of the canon for you people was at Trent in 1546AD, he will have a field day with that. Did you see one of Uthman's videos where he made a fool of a Romanist couple and another of Steve Ray's "disciple"? The official position of your religion, where Allah is the same God and a "good" Muslim doesn't help either. *But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God* , who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. *Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life* . (Vatican II, Lumen Gentium Para 16)
@@aahlstrom93 But it's not my opinion but that of your Popes, Bishops and Peter Kreeft. :) *Pope John Paul II* :We Christians joyfully recognize the religious values we have in common with Islam. Today I would like to repeat what *I said to young Muslims some years ago in Casablanca: “We believe in the same God* , the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection” (Insegnamenti, VIII/2, [1985], p. 497). John Paul II, address at the General Audience, May 5, 1999 *Bishop Athanasius Schneider* : In some way, we can accept the affirmation of Lumen Gentium, but then we must give a long explanation. Of course, when a person sincerely adores God the Creator - as I assume the majority of simple Muslim people do - they adore God with a natural act of worship, based on the knowledge of God, the Creator. Every non-Christian, every non-baptized person, including a Muslim, can adore God on the level of the natural knowledge of the existence of God. *They adore in a natural act of adoration of the same God* , whom we adore in a supernatural act and with supernatural faith in the Holy Trinity. But these are two essentially different acts of adoration: the one is an act of natural knowledge and the other is an act of supernatural faith. The acts of adoration, and the acts of knowing on which they are based, are substantially different, *though the object is the same in that it is the same God* . The affirmation of the Second Vatican Council should have been written more precisely, in order to avoid misunderstandings. Perhaps it could be formulated in this way: ‘Muslims adore God in an act of natural worship, and thus in a substantially different way than we Catholics do, since we adore God with supernatural faith.’ Schneider, Bishop Athanasius, and Montagna, Diane. Christus Vincit: Christ's Triumph Over the Darkness of the Age. United States, Angelico Press, 2019, Pg 87-88 *Peter Kreeft* : Many Christians, both Protestant and Catholic, do not believe what the Church says about Islam (for example, in Vatican Il and in the new Catechism): that Allah is not another God, that *we worship the same God* . Once, after debating the existence of God with an atheist and having spent a good deal of time explicating and defending the divine attributes, I was approached by a Muslim from the audience, who said to me, "It does my heart good to hear such good Islamic orthodoxy. You are a Muslim, aren't you?" He could not believe I was a Christian, because, he said, "You truly know Allah." Apparently he had thought (contrary to the Qur'an) that Christians worshipped a different God. These misunderstandings had better be cleared up, or great battlefield confusion between friend and foe will result. Ecumenical Jihad, Ecumenism and the Culture War, Ignatius Press, 1996, Pg 30
I hope this video don't get copyright by Uthman. This coward copyright claim Christian Prince when he responds his video because he caught lying about the hadits class
When I have conversation with Muslims, I asked them What serious scholar does take in consideration the version of Quran about Jesus' life?. They can not mention one. A contradiction is to mistake Mary the Mother of Jesus with Mary the syster of Moses. Injil is a word that come from Greek. How is possible they use for the Gospel a greek word?
You're correct. How can God confuse the Mary's? 1500 years or so separate the two. So either God was wrong, or the transcribers were wrong; either way, the Quran is not perfectly preserved. Islam stands falsified.
@@oisinofthefianna3246 The Code of Hammurabi is preserved for thousands of years and.... it is not a miracle. Also if Christians tried to corrupt the Gospels, they should have created only one genealogy of Jesus.
@@luissalazar6960 so because some random Muslims you talked you couldn't name a "scholar" off the top of their head who holds a very particular position about Jesus, you think that means no such scholar exists?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 📜 A discussion on videos by Muslim apologist Sheikh Uthman and the possibility of a live debate on Islam's truth. 00:45 📹 Analysis of Uthman's RU-vid channel, where he engages in dialogues with non-Muslims, and Peterson's respect for peaceful dialogues. 01:56 💔 Muslim apologist's misconception that belief in Jesus permits sinful actions; Peterson clarifies that many Christian denominations disagree with this notion. 03:07 🕊️ Misunderstanding of Christian salvation; clarification that grave, unrepentant sins could lead to loss of salvation in some Christian beliefs. 04:17 📜 Interpretation of various Muslim views on salvation; differences in beliefs regarding salvation of non-Muslims and idolaters. 06:09 📖 Comparison of Muslim and Christian views on divine revelation; treating the Bible like the Quran and identifying selective contradictions. 07:30 💡 Peterson's argument that public revelation ended with Jesus, as he is the fulfillment of God's divine revelation, unlike later prophets. 08:53 🙏 Muslim perspective on Jesus' divinity and his role as a prophet; critique of the idea of Jesus as God's only begotten son. 10:17 📚 Peterson counters the claim of biblical corruption with evidence of numerous early manuscripts and early church writings. 12:46 ✝️ Explaining the Christian understanding of Jesus' relationship with God the Father and the concept of the Trinity. 15:04 📚 Comparison of Quranic and New Testament manuscript evidence; highlighting the extensive and reliable nature of New Testament manuscripts. 16:15 🔍 Questioning the lack of original Aramaic or Hebrew scriptures; Peterson argues for the reliability of Koine Greek New Testament manuscripts. 19:43 📜 Discussing the dating of early scriptures and their language; uthman points out perceived differences between various versions of the Bible. 21:30 📜 Claiming that Quran's preservation confirms what is correct and eliminates biblical corruption; skepticism towards verses attributing divinity to Jesus. 36:27 🌊 The Quran mentions the separation between fresh and salt water as evidence of divine knowledge. This, however, is a common natural phenomenon that was likely observed by people in various locations. 37:40 🌞 The Quran's claim that the sun and the moon each move in their own orbit isn't unique knowledge. Other ancient cultures, such as the Greeks, also had similar ideas about celestial movements. 39:32 🌌 While some Muslims cite scientific "miracles" in the Quran, these claims often involve reading modern scientific knowledge into vague or metaphorical verses, rather than explicit foreknowledge. 40:00 🌕 The narrative of the moon splitting during Muhammad's time lacks strong historical evidence. The Quran doesn't explicitly state he performed this miracle, and the claims rely on later traditions. 41:25 🌙 The argument that eyewitness accounts and oral traditions about the moon-splitting miracle are comparable to evidence for ancient wonders isn't strong, as there's a lack of reliable historical accounts. 44:57 📚 The Quran's descriptions of scientific knowledge are not unique and can be found in other cultures and historical contexts. The sources for these claims are often hadiths, which are oral traditions passed down over time. 45:13 🌙 Claims about the splitting of the moon in Islamic tradition are questioned due to their late compilation, lack of corroborating evidence, and absence in non-Muslim historical records. 46:08 🌄 Some scholars suggest the moon-splitting event might be metaphorical or related to the Day of Judgment rather than a physical occurrence. 47:02 ✨ Comparisons to other miracles like Joshua's command to the sun and the Miracle of the Sun at Fatima illustrate the complexity of evaluating supernatural claims. 48:26 ⛪ Apostles' willingness to preach the resurrection of Jesus, despite its counterintuitive nature, is contrasted with the context of Muhammad's claims. 49:48 📜 Lack of independent historical documentation and corroborating evidence raises skepticism about the moon-splitting miracle in Islam. 51:26 🌍 The absence of cross-cultural accounts and the daylight timing of the event challenge the credibility of the moon-splitting claim. 53:18 📚 An Indian manuscript mentioning the moon-splitting event exists, but it is questioned due to its origin, legends, and late documentation. 56:09 🏞️ Legends and historical sources from Kerala, India, raise doubts about the authenticity of the moon-splitting event and its alleged convert. 58:56 🎯 Muslim apologetics often focus on peripheral issues rather than the central claim of Jesus's resurrection, and the arguments for Islam's truth are considered weak. 01:00:18 🗣️ The presenter welcomes a debate with Sheikh Uthman about the truth of Islam and highlights the need for more sophisticated Muslim apologetics in modern discussions.
Grateful that watching your and other's apologetics videos allowed me to instantly come up with a response to this guys objections. Thanks for giving us useful tools!
God bless you! I have a good friend who's Muslim. I love her so much and I pray for her. It's difficult to broach the religion subject for obvious reasons, but I want her and her family to know the truth! The crazy thing is her husband was a Catholic, not practicing, and converted to Islam for her.
Thanks for this video and your plans for more. I am very interested in the claims of Islam, but I don't have the time to research. It is wonderful to have your authority explain their beliefs with details and evidence. I will look for your future shows.
Keep looking for Jesus. Periods like these are treacherous but our LORD and our Sheperd can lead us out of these periods of doubt, He can lead us out of the valley of the shadow of death, we need to keep on following Him even if we are being beaten down by doubts, we need hold on to the truth that there eternal life through Christ Jesus, the Son of God, King of kings, LORD of lords.
Thanks for all your good work Trent. In my experience, Muslims are not generally amenable to historical and practical arguments. Rather, one must ask them to reflect on this simple question, Do the teachings of Jesus apply to God Himself? If these teachings do not apply to God, then 'god' is a hypocritical Pharisee.
There are numerous things God tells us not to do that He himself can do. He told us not to make images of heaven above, not that the catholic church obeys, but He had the Israelites make angels for the ark. We are not to take life, but God gives and takes life.
@@sammygomes7381 "not to make images" --- The command which is repeated multiple times is to not make an image as an object of worship, that is a false god. The Church forbids adoration of sacred objects. Veneration is not adoration. As you are watching images on RU-vid, I'm sure you do not worship those images. Nor, I am sure, do you confuse a cherished photograph of your beloved mother with your actual mother. "not to take life" --- The command which is repeated multiple times is to not murder. Murder is the unjust taking of life. God is never unjust, nor is all taking of life unjust.
@@andrewferg8737 You are correct that I do not say 53 prayers to any image on my computer or kneel in front of a statute of a woman calling her immaculate, assumed, remaining a virgin and queen of heaven, but I use to as a catholic.
@@sammygomes7381 "a statue of a woman calling her immaculate, assumed, remaining a virgin, and queen of heaven" --- Of course those attributes do not apply to any statue, but they do apply to Mary, the Mother of God.
I am so glad you did this, what a great video. Great breakdown. Also, should we ask this apologist if he wants to become a Catholic apologist going up against heretics? 😂😂 He isn't doing too bad of a job on that part, the only issue is that he pretends heresy is Christianity. At least at the very beginning, because it's clear that he is very ignorant of ancient history and Christian teaching, as well as Jewish customs.
@@ParksLover for sure. D-Wood is a great Christian who rubs people the wrong way, but once you look into what he's going after, his approach is not only effective but appropriate.
It absolutely AMAZES me that practically every argument he gave can be twisted back around in favor of Christianity. I'll make a vid about that eventually.
An interpretation of a council that tells me that Muslims worship the same God as Catholics is not a council that tells me the truth (paraphrasing Fr Hesse)
This is an excellent rebuttal to the islamic refutation of our christian belief. The research you did is outstanding, questions in my mind while Uthman is spewing lies were addressed by your follow up answers. Kudos!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@Iamwrongbut yes so my statement works both ways, basically there can't be a meaningful debate like with 2 Christians debating the bible or 2 Muslims debating the Koran
Well the claims of Muslims that are extremely historically unlikely including things like their belief that Qurans are copied exactly can be pointed out. You can also point out the internal contradictions in their theology.
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. The triune radiance of the One Godhead with reverent songs acclaiming, let us cry; Holy are You, O eternal Father, and Son also eternal, and Spirit Divine!
I would be interested in seeing Trent and David Wood on a podcast together. I know that Matt Fradd has had both Trent and David on Pints with Aquinas on separate occasions. Would be cool to see them together.
While there are definitely sophisticated and philosophically-informed Muslims (The Thought Adventure Podcast comes to mind) a lot of the objections offered here seemed very similar to what New Atheists tend to say in their critiques of Christianity.
You guys really need to engage Islam with vigor. It is a death cult but no one is opening their eyes to it. Once they populate and reach 40-50% in a state/country, it is over. It is happening in our state. Sharia isn't far away.
@@TheCounselofTrent Well, yes. Because Islam is like a barbarian religion. It's followers find sort of sarcastic, "flairy" arguments more effective, over the thoughtful ones. This is how the majority of them think. Logically, the Islamic Apologist may be losing the debate. But as long as he shouted louder, was more sarcastic and delivered more insulting arguments+ ad hominem, the Muslims boast about how he "destroyed" the other apologist. To deal with Muslims or generally people from the Eastern World, western apologists need to adopt a firmer tone, a stronger tone. The seasoned Anti Islam debaters know this. It is the only way Muslims will see truth. They need to be "hit hard". If you act "soft", they percieve you in the same fashion. It is a cultural difference to keep in mind.
But your religion teaches that you and the Muslims worship the same God, Muslims are part of the plan of salvation, and a "good" Muslim can be saved. So why bother? *But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God* , who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. *Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life* . (Vatican II, Lumen Gentium Para 16)
@@solacanonicascriptura6139 Yes. And? It does not say that we worship the same God. It says "They PROFESS to hold the faith of Abraham". They seek to worship YHWH, even though they worship a Qureshi God. And yes, Christ will save someone who is ignorant of him through no apparent fault of their own. Problem?
Why wouldnt you search by urself ??? Because if its me who answer u ll say : ahh... its because u r a moslem. And btw before judging quran why wouldnt u trying to read ?? Like me i am a moslem but was atheist and i read bible
When Yeshua called out from the Cross "My God My God why have you forsaken me" He was fulfilling and Quoting a Messianic Prophecy from *PSALMS 22* 🕊 *Shalom* 🕊
Finally. I kept refreshing your channel since morning. I kinda like this Imam for his zeal for his Islamic evangelization even as I disagree with his religion. I came across him for the first time last year in a debate against Sam Shamoun and company. I think they were debating either the trinity or the incarnation.
Interesting. As a Christian I can't help noticing the there can be a video on RU-vid titled "Answering a Muslim apoligiist" but there would never be one titled "Answering a Jewish apologist"
There are, just not as often because they're usually respectful and don't go out of their way to insult or threaten others like SOME (not all) Muslim apologists
9:35 Muslim apologists always claim that they have a 'perfectly preserved Quran' which (as Trent said) is not true, not only are there different recitations, differences like Hafs vs Warsh etc., Muhammad's own followers couldn't agree on the Quran eg Ibn Mas'ud, then Uthman compiled the first Quran text and burned all the other manuscripts that he had access to meaning they were gone forever.
Gospel of Barnabas is not the same with epistle of Barnabas. The former is forgery and it even contradicts the Quran. For example Gospel of Barnabas applies the title Messiah to Muhammad but according to Quran the title belongs to Jesus. Ironically in the beginning the Gospel applies the title Christ to Jesus - whoever wrote it he/she was not aware that Christ means Messiah.
So sad that Uthman references were protestant. Hopefully, he seeks truth and find catholic references in order to be able to understand cristianity better and at least critique us with better references
