a response of sorts to the likes of Tks-Mantis ( • The Fallout Show Didn'... ), Emil Pagliarulo, and others defending the Amazon show's treatment of the lore. FNV video still in the works!
my favorite thing is watching a video where I have absolutely zero context in either direction. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and it's fantastic
Hey, it's awesome you're still alive, and still interested in making videos! You've always been a really entertaining, insightful, and well-spoken shit poster. I always thought it was a shame you didn't make more videos/get more success. The justifications for the lore of the Fallout show has equally baffled me, so this was a pleasant surprise. I look forward to your New Vegas video!
Actually, after thinking about it more, it is very clear that bombing and the fall of shady sands are not the same thing. The show takes place in 2296, and Maximus, who appears to be about 19-20 at the time of the show, was there during the bombing of Shady Sands. In flashbacks he appears to be about 9 or so, so that means the bombs would've dropped on shady sands sometime around 2084-2086.
I was generally accepting of Bethesda's fallout as its own thing even if it's not what I wanted. It's just goofy to me that they even went with this, but I guess they really needed Los Angeles for the setting.
The calk board is almost certainly stating that Shady was nuked on that date. Oxhorn did a whole video about it because the cold truth is that if Shady was nuked just before the second battle of Hoover Dam, it makes all events of Fallout New Vegas a nonsensical joke. Give me strength Joshua.
As an aside with House, you can argue that in his case it WOULD financially benefit him to launch the nuke since Vegas had Anti Aircraft and warhead artilerry which spared them of alot of the fallout, and would put Vegas as amonopoly for every aspect of life in the wastelans in the region. He also could have changed character wise in the 200 years in between his scene in the show and the game. However, he doesn't even seem to be in agreement with Vault techs plan in the show, and one of the other board members even mocks him for not being profitable enough with his Casinos, so I'm not seeing the retcon in that example.
the design director went and said that FNV is still canon. I think this is less of a deliberate attempt to make FNV non-canon, and moreso a stupid lore mistake that they made.
I responded to Emil's Twitter thread about this. It's not just that they made a mistake. Mistaken timeline or no, they reset everything to zero, just to achieve the recent post apocalyptic setting they wanted. Just set it in the past or in another place or both if you want that setting and to be respectful of the lore.
@@BruTalc i definitely agree, yeah its still fucking stupid and i heavily dislike it. I have a feeling this show is going to be considered non canon in a few years, kinda like what happened with Tactics
@@TheFalloutHole Yeah, that's true. But if the people in fallout have the technology to maintain and operate power armour with jetpack functionality, then they probably shouldn't have to live in a figurative dump. Or they could at least get rid of the skeletons littered in every subway tunnel.
If we assume the conversation in the show happened, then House wouldn't have needed to rely on "calculations" like he refers to in New Vegas to determine that Nuclear War was a certainty, because he was in the room when everyone decided to drop the bombs themselves. And he wouldn't have undershot the delivery of the Platinum Chip by less than 24 hours.
Show is fine but I thought it was really weird when todd howard came on screen and cursed out tim cain for five minutes. That moment felt really strange.
I think best way to deal with fallout at this point is view them as two separate continuities. Bethesda continuity which is nonsense fanfiction, and Obsidian with 1, 2 and nv as the actual story of fallout. They may own it, but bethesda didn't make the lore and clearly doesn't care about consistency.
The Showrunners... meant to show respect, said they tried to honor me - not Emil. They brought me before the television one night, showed me how they changed the lore, how they wrote the world now. It was like my entire favorite setting in the firelight, teeth grinning red in the dark - an eager corpse, a blood-covered ghost. They... had taken the lore, the way of Fallout: New Vegas, as if that would make me like the show... while every line in it spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the lore meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to understand the contradictions they wove, when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult on the chalkboard, dialogue... It was like looking at my favorite game, reborn as a ghost - hateful, hungry, bowing to Emil. Another history... gone, carried by me alone.
like many bigger IPs I have to straight up ignore aspects of Fallout's "official" lore to remotely care about the setting. so any coping or seething about the show seems like a big waste of time. also Jeremy Renner's nephew looks nothing like how I imagined based on his voice.
The Shady Sands timeline is alot more ignorable than this twist of Vault Tec setting off the first bomb. Aside from the lame "Capitalism Bad" overtones in that scene, it doesn't make sense at all for Vault tec to start the end of the world. Vault tecs whole business model is working with a select group of veterans, rich folks, etc., who can afford to house in a vault. They weren't getting any more customers and certainly not anymore government grants by starting the chain reaction of nukes themselves.
I would like to say more in this comment. But I don't want to spend too long on this topic. I 100% agree that Bethesda has done a terrible handling on the fallout in recent years, especially Lore. But to say Todd Howard is trying to reckon in some spiteful plot to destroy everything that obsidian builds. Now that sounds like copium to me. In case you didn't know, 2277 was the first battle of Hoover dam that crippled the NCR and the legion military on both sides, which is the start of their decline. So no, it's not so out of left field and silly, You're just biased. I can agree with you on 2 accounts. Information given In the show, the fall of shady sands was poorly explained, and their handling of Mr. House was pretty dumb. But you can't say they're not trying. I say it's still a good show with like 2 or 3 crippling flaws.
