Hi Wolfgang, nice video, I just got myself a fujitsu computer with D3417 motherboard, with 4 HDD an NVME ssd and a sata SSD, I use it as a NAS with OMV and ZFS and it works great, and I'm able to get C8 state with powertop --auto-tune. But I'm not sure how to set it up to get the maximum power efficiency. I don't have a power meter yet but the HDDs don't seem to stop spinning even if I used the appropriate setting in OMV. I'm also not sure how to set it up so that it goes into an "idle" state when it's not really doing stuff ? Not sure how to monitor these things kin debian (BTW I'll get my power meter soon)
Mine is. Just took me $60k in parts and $15k in labor and lots of head scratching to get there. But it (my off grid solar system) is designed for two homes, a big workshop, and a future business building (think a smaller version of LTT in home and garden niches). But I still watch power usage, my solar setup is large, but not infinite (30k watts continuous available, but at full load, my batteries (120 KWH) would deplete in four hours at night and cloudy days are an issue). Should last a week with normal usage during a week of cloudy weather if I watch what I’m doing (no big power tool and dust collector use).
@@silverbackag9790 I'd just like to note that your electricity still comes at an opportunity cost where yes, you are now not paying for it, but every watt of wasted energy could instead be used mining bitcoin which would actively generate you money instead (sort of assuming you're not selling the energy itself, but same applies there) So instead of just thinking about money spent, loss of money gained is effectively the same.
So true. A server is 90% of the time waiting for something to do but runs 7x24. A desktop is only running when it is needed. Therefore optimizing for idle power is a good approach.
@@martinmusli3044if you're using it for services (like Plex, wifi management, diagnostics) then no. If you're just using the home server to do ad-hoc tasks (test server, storage server that's not expected to be up the whole time) then yes... In my case i have both, my NAS is only on when it's being used, my virtualisation server is low power and always on because it manages my wifi (fw updates, managed roaming etc)
I would also point out that even if the server is doing something, it's rarely at 100%. A system capable of idling at very low power consumption, is often very efficient when slightly loaded. So even if the server is doing something, it's probably a low load anyway. Home assistant for example runs on a potato basically, so having it doing something isn't really affecting your power consumption, and the server it's still basically idling even when doing something. Same thing for a NAS service, the only thing you have to add is hdd spinning, but still, if your idle is 20W, you're still going to be more efficient when the HDD are spinning that a system that idles at 35W.
I admire your patience, and level responses to the rude folks out there. Sorry about that. I hope to someday build my homelab, and you're videos keep me informed. It's keeping that dream alive Thank you!
Now that's proper engagement. It's always great when you upload a helpful and interesting video. It's even better when response to community feedback turns into another video, going deeper on the same topic. Nice one!
Thanks for the video, Wolfgang :) Can't wait to see more of your homelab adventures! And definitely these QA videos are a nice change of pace. Take care.
Some people just cannot understand that the challenge is the fun part of the project. It's really easy to turn all the knobs up and add power, making something efficient is a much more analytical engineering task.
Unrelated but I really like the shirts you're wearing during your videos! Thanks for this efficiency series, I really feel like more people should be invested in running gear with as low power consumption as possible.
Fantastic video, I would wholeheartedly enjoy a potential video of you giving some advice for how to create a power-efficient workstation, where factors such as short term high intensity workloads, as well as hardware such as monitors and speakers, come into play. I share your concern over power efficiency, minus the knowledge, and with rising energy prices in Europe it's definitely a large factor in any future projects.
murica home lab: i bought 4 dell r710 of ebay and run them 24/7 german homelab: raspberry pi or die. for the 'murica peapole here: in germany Power can cost (depending on region) up to 55ct/kwh. you can literally go bankrupt compiling gentoo XD
Managed switches: I recently got Aruba 1930 JL683B. In IDLE (no ports connected), it uses a bit more than the mikrotik, around 25W. However, you also get up to 195W POE available. Also, there is a fan inside, but it's pretty quiet. I hear the fan is worse in the (older?) A version.
I love this video and the one prior. I think you're doing a phenomenal job and the information is extremely valuable Thank you very much for posting. I've been on a quest for low power consumption server hardware and the spreadsheet that you provided is gold.
Hello, great videos man :) you mentioned some embeded MoBos, In my TrueNAS Core build i got my hands on Supermicro 4U 16bay case and this tiny MoBo ( X10SDV-4C-TLN2F ), it works realy fine for small server, a lot of features like Low power XeonD CPU, ECC RAM support, 10Gbit networking, IPMI, full 16x PCIe 3.0 (supports bifubrication, so you can buy riser and split it to 2x 8 ), M.2 slot and some SATAs. Its an older unit, but todays prices are afordable :) would say these kind of boards are golden for low power, at least thats why i bought it :)
Your suggestions are good, but they often require people spending money on equipment that they may not already have. I think the first thing a person should do, if low power consumption is the goal, is assess what they need and only buy equipment as powerful as what is needed. If they use a component of a higher spec than necessary, then it'll not only cost more to purchase, but likely consume more power too. For example, if some only needs a file server, why not use a 2.5" USB3 HDD connected to your router? A router is usually always on. You need not buy anything new (unless your router doesn't have a USB3 port) and you have storage that can always be accessed for probably somewhere between 3-9w router power consumption and 3w HDD consumption while in use (while HDD heads are parked it will use much less power, fractions of a watt). BTW, certain models of router use much more electricity than others and in some parts of the world the difference between a router that uses 5w and one that uses 15w, will perhaps be 50 Euros or more per year - some routers (WIFI 6 mainly?) use closer to 30/40w. If you have no need for these capabilities, then this is just money flushed down the drain.
Absolutely! This video was targeted at homelab enthusiasts, who would probably already have some servers at home. And in some cases, depending on how power hungry your current hardware is and how expensive your electricity is, you might actually save some money by selling your current hardware and replacing it with a more power-efficient option. Other than that, definitely some good points, and I will consider making a video about super-budget low power hardware (e.g. using your router as a mini-NAS, like you said)
thunderbolt (chipset to provide TB functionality to a PC) draws a lot of power. There's a topic that is often forgotten in this videos (including yours): remote management. Minimum requirement: vPRO (allows to have a remote KVM at HW level, allowing to also enter the BIOS), ideal: remote management HW (HP iLO, Dell iDRAC) and these sadly can be game changers depending on the implemntation; as an example iDRAC 7 on 12th gen PowerEdge server draw 10w (whether the system is powered on or not). I'm actually running a PowerEdge R520 with 2x E2450l v2, 8x 16GB DD3L (1,35v) ECC DIMMs, 1x integrated SAS HBA (driving the 8x 3.5" 7,2K SAS drives), 1x PCIe external SAS (driving an external enclosure with 12x 7,2k SAS drives), 1 dual FC8 HBA (to connect the 2x LTO-5 tape library) and 4x internal SATA drives driving small SSDs. Trying to find a more power efficient alternative to the server (the external enclosure is quite power efficient) but nothing that offers enough PCIe lanes/slots and DIMM slots + remote management at a decent price. Suggestions are welcome! :)
Regarding the Question on powerefficient Managed Switches: Have a look at Netgears GSS108E switches. They can to VLAN tagging and don't consume that much power. Another cool feature ist: one can disable the LEDs!
yeap, the low-power homeserver question was quite a novel thing to me, too. got my tired braincells going and was an interesting topic to dig into as a followup to the video. I actually started to experiment with power states, too and was able to run some infrastructure services like dns/dhcp while being in low power states. where I just didn't care before, I'm saving around 1.5 kWh per day across 3 machines, just by fine tuning power states and how services run on them.
Concerning the last section, you are absolutely right. I tested DietPi, Debian, and Ubuntu on my SBCs and low-power consumption devices. DietPi is more efficient regarding memory use, for sure, but in my experience, it won't save you significant power.
Although some of the consumer CPUs support ECC there are a lot of Xeon E3-1200 series L CPUs that supports ECC and have a TDP of just 25W. I like the Fujitsu TX1330 servers as they draw very low power compared to the other servers. Only downside is that the license to enable KVM capability is bound to the server and quite expensive...
Re ECC, it's not like Xeons are necessarily expensive or power hungry either. I have a 12 core Haswell Xeon in my NAS, and according to intel-undervolt it draws under 30W under full non-AVX load, ~1W idle. It was 65€ when I bought it (from an EU seller because I live in EU), and there were 45€ units available on Aliexpress. Sure the base clock is 1.8GHz and it won't boost beyond 2.5GHz but it's still faster in MT loads than the i7-6800K it replaced. And C-states work at least up to C6 in stock Debian.
I have my entire house down to 64w at idle :) Home assistant just sips 5w on a Pi and controls pretty much everything with the power hungry devices only coming on when i have enough solar to power them. Throw in some nodered for more control you really can expand power saving out of just your home lab
For encoding, my 4090 idles at 40W (just the card) and up to 65W while encoding (CPU limited). In contrast my 13th gen i9900H uses 5-7W at idle in windows (while hosting a webserver, jellyfin and some other things) and 10-15W under load and its only a 50% drop in performance (still plenty fast for live encoding), if i unlimit my laptop and use performance mode it runs 40W peak and I get around 70-80% the encoding performance but thats still an easy win considering that all on the CPU and the 4090 you have to add your CPU watts at full bore. Really hope to see channels make some content around laptops as servers since if you arent using it you might as well, they are very affordable compared to a full system and as long as your fine with using external Ethernet and storage array they are just so handy. Plus the way mine is setup I can unplug it and still use it as a laptop so win win. 4090's are actually very efficient for gaming and other heavy loads if you power limit them or they have a bottle neck. Mine runs 85W under the same load as my old RX5700XT which used 180-200W, under heavier load i've never seen it get above 180W and im using a 100Hz 1440p ultrawide. Unless you can totally power them off when not in use I wouldnt use them for a server due to their high idle consumption (maybe its different with no display output but i doubt its much).
I am also trying to build my first NAS with a Ryzen 5 1600 and running into freezing issues. Haven't decided whether or not I'm going to give up and move to a 6th or 7th gen Intel platform. Thanks for shedding some light and the additional insight, Wolfgang!
ehh, you can get low power managed switches but only up to like 8 ports. I think TP-Link SG 108E is the lowest power managed switch for 8 ports. its like < 3W fully utilized.
you make me want to build my own homelab! I will be using it for NAS, phone backup, cloud storage, and maybe pihole. currently saving up to build mine, hopefully will build one within next year😊
Saving up for a year? I'd recommend starting off with an old low end laptop, even one that was discarded because the screen died if you're willing to open it and disconnect the LVDS cable. Pretty much guaranteed not to be an energy hog. Just put plenty of memory in. The only real limitation will be the single SATA drive, but you can probably get by with external drives.
@@rexsceleratorum1632 that might be a good idea! I can probably get away with 2 max internal 2.5” HDD in order to use the laptop’s chassis. I will try find some cheap ass laptop while saving up. thanks mate
I put a like and clicked on subscribe twice (cause of course I already was) Loved the video especially because I've been chasing after the fabled unicorn of 10Gbe home server with ability to not bottleneck transfers and possibly do more than just host files. I did not look but for the asrock board with the celeron, is there enough lanes to power a 10Gbe sfp+ card on that pciex1 (I'm 90% sure there isn't but don't want to find out the bad news myself I guess :p ) Loved the ebay posts you showed. I really do not understand German and you are our lifeline and curator for everything going on that forum. Please keep the links coming, maybe have a community post twice a month with good deals for power efficient servers.. I honestly think you're one of the only channels doing this in English on YT so could be 1 more 'thing' for your channel to grow on, especially when in around 12 months people REALLY start looking for the best ways to reduce their expenses Oh and TIL 2.5" drives were all SMR.. so much for that hope.. I guess we can only hope SSD prices keep falling until the size we need comes within budget. Although I guess 1-2 TB nvme cache is also ok
I keep coming back to the video with more questions... while you explained T series intel CPUs are like 'a trap' and tdp is not the full story can you comment on the potential gains from having a decent undervolting done? Aka, maintain same peak performance and lower voltage draw when doing so while reaping the benefits of good idle power draw. I suspect it won't change a lot at idle though
I haven't tested undervolting, but since the CPU is usually a very small part of the overall power consumption at idle, I don't see it having a big impact.
@@WolfgangsChannel It might also just mainly matter under load vs idle.. Anyway more testing should clear this. Other topic, for the picoPSU I can only find 12V DC versions that have the 4pin CPU plug whereas the 'wide voltage' ones don't include that.. the issue is I have a few laptop power bricks that are 19.x V and it would save me some to get the wide voltage one... Is this a known limitation?
@@WolfgangsChannel I see.. I only saw some 300W "picos" and hdplex models (out of stock) that had the EPS and were also wide voltage... So if I understand correctly you're using 12V DC Input pico's for your build right? As opposed to running wild and not using a EPS supply lol
Most of it he already explained from the previous video, or at least I understood that much. Some were interesting suggestions. One comment completely missed the point of a NAS and if you want to build it with latest cpu and 4090 go for it! You can probably afford it along with the power bills too!
the thing is with the Ryzen G and GE prozessors there are exactly the same tho only difference is who it is deployed. in a laptop for example, there are configured mostly as GE because of the weak cooling solution therefore the TDP is set to 45W and marked as GE but on a desktop platform you can choose if you want a G with 65W or a GE with 45W. but the idle consumption does not change maybe by a little because some under volting but this might be 0.1W or so. i have a server with a 5700G in it and it is set to 45W because my server is passive cooled and the case cant handle 65W. this is not the only reason my system runs about 3% to 7% so i could ignore the TDP but i use this system also as a compute machine for some heavy calculations. i could do this on my gaming system but i dont want it to run for hours and drawing 300W if my server can do the same stuff with 50W and needs only 100% more time, so a 3h job on my gaming system uses 0.9kwh and my server needts only 0.3kwh for the same task and it took 6h. i dont see the point using my gaming pc for such things and on my daily driver pc this needs way longer because it is a asrock j4050-itx in it. my monitor uses more power as my computer ^^
The Ryzen 1000-series hat a lot of issues, including freeze bugs. Don't think it'll be resolved anymore as those who care enough (and have the skills or money) have moved on to later series CPUs. It's support for x86 emulation (in x64 mode in simple terms) was also super broken iirc. In short: Stay away from those CPUs, later ryzens are fine
My nas does nothing probably 99 percent of the time so i totally agree idle power consumption is paramount importance. I'm planning to build a diy nas then i can get rid of the dedicated laptop running my home assistant instance and jellyfin or plex
A very cool hack for a Mac Mini is running a RAID card with PCIe over thunderbolt. There are reasonable options for this and with a cheap RAID card in HBA/IT mode. Someone actually rigged this all in 2U sever case. It wouldn't make sense to buy this but if you have a Mac Mini already...
Since Cyrix CPU era, I know so old, I've never been Intel fan. AMD is and will be my choice. But Wolfgang you are addressing great points. Power consumption on the low utilization levels. So much of it is wasted just because of bad server or desktop designs. Another excellent video. LOL thx
Hey there, nice video! May I ask what's your setup in 7:10 ? I'm using a HP Elitedesk 800 G3 Tower with i5-7600T, 2x 4TB WD Red Pro (3.5"), 1x 240GB SSD, 32GB DDR4-2133 (non ECC) RAM. --> Total 125$ Idle around 21W with Proxmox and 1 VM. Will add like ~5 more VM's and assume Idle state will rise up to 30W+ Thought about upgrading to i7-7700 since its same price for me. Did I do a bad choice with the setup to achieve a low power consumption server?
Keep in mind that SMR disks are NOT supported by TrueNAS or ZFS even. CMR is the only option. So 2,5" disks are inefficient, because they can't be bigger than 2TB each. So you will need 5 of those to get to 10TB (without factoring in redundancy). By the time you have 5x 2TB 2,5" disks running, it consumes almost the same as a single 10TB disk.
@@WolfgangsChannel Which is clearly an SMR disk, if you read the site of Seagate correctly. SMR is not recommended for any ZFS application, whether it's TrueNAS or something else.
Sorry, I understood your comment as “the biggest 2.5” drive you can get is 2TB”. Yes, SMR drives are definitely not recommended for anything ZFS-rated That being said, many people use Unraid or Mergerfs instead, and those aren’t as picky as ZFS
@@WolfgangsChannel Hence why I specifically said anything that runs ZFS :) Nice efficient homeserver though. I'm running less-efficient enterprise gear at home 😆
2:51 1999 I worked at a school with 100 computers and whenever the power came back after a blackout 100 computers turning on at the same time blew the fuses.
I'm about to finish my NAS build (my current cloud runs on a raspberry pi with 2 pidrive in raid1 and it's showing its limits but it uses close to no power). Not exactly cheap but not over the top, I do have a few 1TB 3.5 inch drives laying around that I'd be using to get me started, I'm thinking about using mergerfs (so no raid), and rotate those drives around when I need more storage. What's your opinion on snapraid to add a bit of redundancy to the array? I'm on the fence when it comes to using it cause it would mean I need to use my biggest drive as parity. Would it kind of work if I just set a lvm vg that's half the capacity of the drive and use that as parity? Of course I'm aware that all the content that gets on this drive would be lost if it failed since data and parity would be on the same drive, but once I get another bigger drive I can just use that as parity and reclaim that space on the other drive. That's what bothers me with Raid, it's hard to grow your NAS space without replacing the entire array.
Hello! Thank you very much for all your videos, I do not often write comments, but I really want to know why you chose unraid? I heard that you wanted to choose truenas. Why did you leave the pure Ubuntu server. Thanks in advance!
5:33 "You have to break even on the hardware costs" ... depends. Well, I'm not rich AF but I would invest "some" money to lower my consumption!! Sure, if you have money you could also just spend it on Energy. And I know this videos are not about the environment but lower consumption is also good in that regard! 😉👍
True: Spending LOADS of money and resources just to have the lowest consumption is also stupid. The sweet spot of what makes sense for whom is probably somewhere else for each and everyone ✌
Editing off your NAS only "references" the files used. It is non-destructive. It is only when one "delivers" or "renders out" the final project that the original files come into play.
Hi wolfgang, I love your home server videos and that inspired me to make my own but i have one big problem. My isp, o2 is using DualStack-Lite on cable which means that i cant port forward anything, do you know how to bypass this in some way?
@@WolfgangsChannel Thank you, i tried that recently and it didnt work but i guess now it does, except for https i have no clue why it hates me but nothing works with it
Using 2.5 laptop hdds vs 3.5 ones could be more power efficient, but you have to consider if they're prepared to work in arrays, considering the vibration that they would be suffering
Nothing to regret from your previous video. And totally feel you since living in Europe with all current crazy electricity price... Would like to know your thoughts on this approach aiming to find power efficiency on idle mode to high performance when needed. Servers and Desktop PCs are usually expensive compared with below proposal and likely not as power efficient as I am initially targetting. This would be the configuration including costs: - 339€ for a Minis forum HM80 (motherboard with 2 ethernets, 2x SATA 2.5, 1x NVME and Ryzen 4800U cpu). Idle around 9, max load 64 (with RAM and SSD installed): Only interested in the motherboard so I will take out from the case to use - 120€ for similar case as yours (Supermicro SCC833) - 30€ adaptor NVME to SATA to allow up to 5 additional disks - 50€ PC Power supply Whole cost (without HDs) 540€ The tricky part is feasibility on how to connect the PC Power supply to the Minis forum motherboard to power up whole system not only the disk drives since motherboard is using external power supply to at 19V. If this is feasible I am really considering this as an option. I know will miss PCI express feature but not big deal for now. Thank you,
You might want to have a look at the Odroid H3/H3+. Could save you some money, unless you need a 8 core CPU (The Odroid CPU isn't as powerful as the Ryzen)
I design and build High Performance, Sustainable, Net Zero Homes. I’m looking into wiring as much of the house as possible with 48v DC. I need power distribution, but i figure putting smart controls into it just makes sense. Your work you discuss in this video falls in line with a Passive House principle of reducing energy consumption. Is there a way i can contact you directly?
Re: staggered hdd start This used to be a much bigger deal but not as much now as hdd power usage is many times less than they used to be. 5 1/2 full height SCSI drives sounded like a jet engine starting up and used almost as much power (slight exaggeration)
I didn't hear any questions about a UPS. With have High density HHDs power failures can wreak havoc with data integrity. In what ways do you deal with power failure?
A UPS will marginally increase your power draw. Newer ones are a bit more efficient though, and having one is definitely useful. At the same time, modern PC components survive sudden power failures pretty well, and most popular file systems for mass data storage are journaled and feature data integrity checks. So a power failure wouldn’t be as fatal as it would be like 20 years ago. A UPS is mostly useful for redundancy and gives you the ability to keep mission critical services running during a short power outage. It definitely shouldn’t be your last line of defense against a data loss
You can both undervolt and underclock any ryzen cpu and pretty much any intel cpu and get them ridiculously efficient without having too much performance loss. The power consumption of these cpu's increase quadratically if you overclock because while overclocking you also need to raise the voltage of the vcore rail. Say you have a 4 ghz cpu, You overlock it to 4.4 without raising the voltage (that's pretty unrealistic but let's say it's somehow still stable). You suddenly increased the current draw from 100 amps to 110 amps, so if your vcore voltage is say 1.2 volts, you were pulling about 120 watts of power. Now you're pulling 132 watts of power. But suppose it's not stable because it needs more voltage. Say you increased the vcore voltage to 1.3 volts to get it back to being stable, Now congratulations you are pulling 143 watts of power. But the cpu is now running hotter and it's dissipating the heat to the power plain as the power plain is a nice chunk of copper and thru the inductors which are also made of copper, those run hotter now, as they run hotter, their resistance increases so there's a voltage drop and you need to increase the voltage even more to make up for that. You finally sat up the vcore to 1.35 volts so now the cpu is stable finally. But now it's 110 amps * 1.35 volts and that's 148.5 watts. You have successfully gained 10% performance at the cost of 23.75% power increase. These numbers are made up but this really is how overclocking works. But you can potentially go the other way around. Undervolt the vcore power and underclock it a bit. Like from 4.0 to 3.8 and reduce the vcore from 1.2 to 1.1. It'll likely be very stable even leave some room for more undervolting unless the motherboard is an utter junk. You can reduce the 120 watts power consumption to 1.1*(1-(3.8/4.0))*100amps 104.5 watts. That's about 15% less power for 5% less performance. A pretty good deal. You can even go further but there's a limit how low you can set the vcore, but I'm guessing you can still increase the efficiency by like 30-40% while only giving up about 10% performance. And this is not even considering the decrease of resistance of the power plain thus less power losses in the power plain and the vrm.
People actually start to put 4090 cards in their home labs more frequently now due to ML an AI tools becoming more popular, for example Stable Diffusion for image generation, rope and deepfake for videos. They all need a lot(!) of VRAM and cloud GPU instance offerings are expensive due to high demand.
Does the Dell 7820 have good c-state control? Thinking of running one with single processor (Xeon Silver 4114). Can get the machine usedoff ebay for around $300. Comes with 4 removable 3.5" HDD trays.
I'm running now a ryzen 3600 in the homeserver. Mostly because I just bought a 5700X for the PC and switched them out. (So basically last AM4 upgrade.) I only have two C-States, interestingly. Let's see if I can get that lower, the mainboard has some dee-c-state support in the bios, but I'm currently a little bit hesitant to experiment with that..
I'm retiring my current gaming rig and want to use it as a server. It's a Ryzen 1700 and it also doesn't go deeper than C2 on Linux. Interestingly, it goes 70%+ C6 on Windows under HWinfo. Have you gotten anywhere further with your project?
@@kowaletzki I didn't get to try around with my bios. For ryzen 1700 this may be related to a kernel bug, I know that 1000 series had a hardware bug that resulted in system freezes when going into low-power on linux - but this could be old information.
I've been tinkering with an old AMD 6400k computer I have lying around to turn it into a proper server, but can't get it to drop below 40w at idle. I've tried undervolting and underclocking, but still can't manage it. I am just using Windows 10 though for now, that could be why. In comparison I have a 2014 Mac Mini (sadly with only 4gb RAM) that uses 6w at idle.
2.5" hdd dies very often. Also 2.5" hdd goes bad on sudden power loss (2 of mine died. One of them was really costly 2TB Seagate firecuda and another was Samsung 1TB hdd build by seagate. The second one gone nuts after a few sudden power losses). Else this would be a great option.
Apart from power ....A video idea on choosing hardware for Linux(Desktop & Server)? Pple know #AMD is best on graphics but what about CPU? @Chris Titus Tech and @Distrotube need to join this chat...
Was about to sell my M1 Mac Mini, but then my N5095 mini pc w/ UNRAID got messed up and I decided to try it out. I was doing about 35w with 3x 2.5" USB drives and have been doing around 8w on the Mini so far with just 1 drive. My only problem rn is docker sucks in MacOS, so I gotta try spinning up a linux VM.
Not really :( I’ve been using Danfoss Ally thermostats but Zigbee devices haven’t been super stable for me. Shelly also released their TRVs last year and those should be good, but I haven’t used them personalpy
That's a highly debated topic in the homelab community. There are people who think it's overkill for home server uses, and then there are people who say that you should never run a non-ECC server unless you don't care about the data stored on it. I guess that the truth is somewhere in the middle - ECC is a useful feature that can provide extra security for your data, but it's by no means a requirement for a home server.
My power consumption is not tied to cost. It is tied to battery capacity which I have in the house. I experience power outages frequently for 0-5 hours a day.
Look up “Tonton J4125 firewall” on Aliexpress. I recently got one and it’s fast enough to run OPNSense virtualized inside Proxmox, and pulls 7-10W from the wall. I haven’t tried it with IDS/IPS yet, but I have a video coming on it
Iv got a ryzen cpu and was having random power offs and had to disable cstates, but because my system was now so efficient after changing my motherboard and cpu, I no longer needed a 650 watt power supply. Changing it to a 400 watt power supply I could then enable the cstate. Only pulling 30 watts now, better than the previous 120. I need to see what else I can do to lower that! Edit changed pc to 30 watts, my ups pulls 30 watts!
The biggest problem is - I need 10Gbit networking and I need SATA ports. Many 'simpler' solutions don't provide that, so I went with as simple of a setup as possible that still has a PCIe slot and 5+ SATA ports.
Noticed a whole lot of none AMD Ryzen 5000 series in the efficiency table, both Vermeer and Cezanne versions are awol. Are they/their chipsets that bad at idle, I would have assumed B550 chipset is comparable to B660 from Intel? At same time a modern and capable Intel Core i5-12400 is present
@@WolfgangsChannel Thans. Also damn it, they successfully brushed a lot of waste under carpet, with no wide public exposure. A waste for no apparent reason if their mobile chipsets doesn't suffer from it. Was very impressed with 5000 series so far. Like the author I have 5900x, very good on high loads, with manual ECO mode and undervolt. Was hoping I can consolidate NAS/Plex/etc and occasional semi-light use PC into one efficient and low idle PC, with Ryzen 5 5600 and a 1050 GPU
I had two Ryzen 1st gen machines changed to Intel because of two things: the idle bug on Linux (Ryzen 7 1700X), on TrueNAS (FreeBSD 13, Ryzen 2200G) and power consumption. On both cases I had to disable C-State support. I bought two Lenovo M90q Tiny and built a new NAS on a cheap Intel 10100 CPU and Motherboard.This move changed the power consumption from 200 Watts to 90 Watts. Energy bills are skyrocketing here in Potugal... In the whole of Europe in fact.
M1/M2 - is ext.ARM, most of ARM if power efficient. ARM boards are very flexible, and power consumption depends from peripherals. RISC-V will more efficient over ARM. but now a lot of RISCV boards for NAS/servers are alvb.
The argument about GPU power efficiency looks a little... bad faith to me... As a power consumption aware gamer I feel a little lost with recent generation GPUs and well... I'm new to the channel (nice work BTW) and maybe you've already covered that but I wonder if there's a way to lower gaming rig consumption besides looking at TDP and setting a cap for your shopping list.
Setting a cap in your bios is probably your best bet. Especially at the high end intel and co try to squeeze a few more percent of performance by increasing power consumption x fold
Regarding HDDs spin up and that pico psu can't handle it. It might sound counterintuitive but second power supply just for hdd's would do the trick. Regarding small factory desktop PC's - ThinkCentre M910q I have uses around 6Watt with Windows 11 and Plex.
