as a Native american, when i was young i was always told to never whistle at night in the woods. one of my elders warned that the spirits would take you away, also it's taboo to mention this specific spirit's name. once it hears you call it's name it'll come to you. also love the content my guy lol
Well, lucky for me that I haven't quite figured out how to whistle intentionally. Of course, I'd also just prefer to keep as quiet as possible in the woods anyway. Not just spirits out there.
@@wasabi622 As a Mexican, I was told that whistling at night would attract barn owl witches. Those types of stories really pissed my mom off. She'd always explain them to me logically. Despite the prevalence of witchcraft, the only thing that happened anywhere near me was some stupid satanists who burned their apartment down. I have seen a crawler, though. The dark and secluded belongs to horrors beyond our understanding, that much I'm certain of.
@@JustSomeGuywithEpicGrasses don’t you guys also have a piece of folklore about the spirit of a woman who drowned her sons and haunts river banks endlessly searching for them?
I watched this because I can't afford two streaming channels at the moment, and that made me want to watch the movie for real so much more. I find that desperate clinging to a humanity he's so clearly lost, so much creepier that just a straight up monster. And also I just wanted to mention in the off chance the channel creator sees this, he did a really great job going into cryptids. I fully expected to end the video after he was through talking about the movie, as I've seen so, so many videos on cryptids I assumed he had nothing more to offer; but I was wrong. That was astonishingly informative, and covered stuff I've never even thought about before, let alone heard touched on.
Can I just give a shout out to that father in Antlers? He genuinely cared and feared for his sons before and after he was infected and even while succumbing to his infection, his first and prominent action was to reinforce his rooms door (and probably windows) to protect his sons.
@@ShatterDawn i mean its pretty clear that it wouldn't kill the kids since they are extra body's to transfer to, same reason the wendigo didn't kill the cop because of extra lives
@@somthingsomthing1 I disagree, actually. Dude could've been collecting just anyone, then, not two sickly little boys. And he would have infected them both if that was the case, but he didn't infect Lucas as far as we can tell. He seems to protect Lucas from his bully, and instead of infecting he just kills the first cop, possibly because he was close to Aidan, his son, and he tries to kill Paul, too, because he saw him as a barrier to Lucas. I think it's implied that he was trying, for some reason, to take them somewhere to protect them just like his dad was trying to do when he got into the drugs. It wasn't his dad anymore, but it still had at least some memory of that former life.
And even once he fully changes, he actually defends or avoids his sons. It’s genuinely a true story too. Just because someone is a drug dealer or a dangerous person doesn’t mean they don’t feel love and care
Here's a weird little forgotten thing about wendigo/windigo lore: Most people depict the windigo as a deer-man or antlered werewolf type creature which is erroneous. However the word used for malevolent spirit (windigo) is also the same word used for owls. TLDR: I wanna see an owl wendigo
Believe it or not, the antler-Wendigo trope is fairly new, made in the 90s by Larry Fessenden. If that name sounds familiar, he's a horror writer/director for several early 2000s movies. He also made and acted for the game _Until Dawn._ Look him up and you should recognize the face. During his own research for production of his 2001 film, "Wendigo," he mixed aspects of the Algonquin lore with Navajo Skinwalkers and some S. American tales too. The result is essentially a humanoid werewolf wearing a deer skull. People would argue up one way and down the other that that depiction is older than some niche 90s flick, but it's really not.
They're nearly indestructible incarnations of greed or twisted shaman magic which can only be put down with 45-70 rounds covered in ash from a certain tree, can we please not let them have the ability to fly
@@joshuagross3151 This is incorrect. The depiction of an antler-wendigo dates back to an old comic around the world war eras. Namely Algernon Blackwood's works.
The empathy thing, THANK YOU! Somebody finally said it. People calling themselves "empaths" like they deserve a Nobel for being the bare minimum of a human being?😑
You have a functional facial recognition ability! It's just as impressive as being a generally nice person. Yes, I am comparing Nice Guys and Nice Girls to Empaths
Ironically, due to an effect that is similar to an emotional version of the Dunning-Kruger effect, most people that try to convince you that they are an empath are highly narcissistic. They so very obviously NEED you to know that they carry such an emotional burden as a result. If you were tell them that you also try to empathize as much as you can, they will 100% of the time tell you that "No, this is way different, and that they don't need to try. I really seriously actually feel physical pain when I see someone hurting. You definitely don't want to be like me. It's really hard on me, ya know?" It screams of self delusion and narcissism. And you can see them in your mind right now. She's young, naive. Insults people in a subtle way, and sometimes isn't even subtle. She causes drama all the time and will dig you for praise, even when doing nothing praiseworthy. She breaks up with her boyfriend just so he will chase her and will gossip about those she believes don't pay her proper respect. Every situation is about her. Bottom line. If you are dating a woman and she tries to convince you she's an empath, run. Because she will make sure the entire relationship is about her "happiness" and "needs". By the time you have put all this together, she will already have told anyone that will listen that you abuse her, and will either feign traumatic heart at the hands of you, or that she finally mustered the strength to stand up to you. You know exactly who this person is.
I love that you took a moment in your break down of the plot to tell us about proper storage of classic vehicles lmao I love your little tangents like this makes me chuckle every time.
Can we just pause a minute and appreciate how pretty this movie is? Like I love the shots of the distant mountains, it adds to feeling of isolation as far as the setting where nothing on the outside world really matters
This movie tells a story of addiction as well. The boy's father was a notorious addict. Addiction is a monster that destroys lives and often times children protect their parents who struggle with it. His struggle is depicted with his fight with the Wendigo - the fight against his demon and desperately wanting to be a good father. It's a hard life to live - I sympathized with the boy, both of my parents struggled with addiction. One died and the other is just off doing whatever.
Props for recognizing the point of the film. A lot of privileged little snots keep going on about how addiction makes you less than human and morally evil, and it's annoying. Addiction is an illness, and we don't damn the sick for being sick.
@@prinzezzqtpi5437 It depends on the addict. My mother has pretty much been possessed by addiction and is less than human anymore. She is greedy and selfish and horrible. She takes advantage of people and refuses to change. My father on the other hand was sick with addiction and tried for years to get clean. He made me promise him I’d go to college. I’m a year and a half ahead and about to get my BA in History history. I’ll have my doctorate before I turn 25. And in April I’ll be a first time mom to a child that is my child, not a sibling dumped on me while I myself am still a child.
"Guns won't work" You just need to add more gun, I don't care about what kind of magical maguffin it has. Any hunter can tell you that rifle rounds blow big holes in muscle and turn bones into fine powder. Enough of that and anything drops whether it's technically "dead" or not.
Leaving a pen in an obscure place on the floor is the most relatable man thing I've heard. Nothing more annoying when somebody has the audacity to move such a strategically placed pen
@@RoanokeGaming It is worse that one person in my house at the regular "organises" the medical cabinet... without asking or letting anyone know. It is so fun to have to spend 15 minutes tearing up the thing just to find yer (as an example) allergy medicine before going to sleep.
I still can't believe that of all the wendigo in media I've seen, the choose your own adventure ps4 horror movie has the most accurate depiction of them
Yeah I'll be honest, I adore learning about these cryptids. Things like folklore, experiences, encounters ect real or not I find it absolutely fascinating
I've always had a theory that Goatmen, Wendigo, Fleshgaits, and Skinwalkers are just diverged species with a common ancestor that became adapted to different environments. Skinwalkers to the desert Wendigo to the tundra and north forests Fleshgaits to the open prairie and grasslands Goatmen to the Appalachian mountains
@@levitaggart5943 Basically another name for goatmen or skinwalker more used for weird creatures of the sort in more central areas like kansas or missouri or just in place of skinwalkers in other parts of the country
@@noctusdoesthingsFleshgait, that's a new one on me. Wendigo's & Skinwalkers, very weird shit. Not so sure if I believe in them, but I do believe that my belief matters not for them to be a reality.
@@levitaggart5943 Welcome dude, though I'd also like to point out that just like Wendigos and Skinwalkers, Fleshgaits are generally seen as slightly different creatures. They're generally depicted as more savage hunters that prefer to use trickery than shapeshifting, kind of like wendigos, but are far more well known for their ability to mimic human voices, more like the mimicry from skinwalkers. In fact the name it a play on the term Skinwalker. Flesh = Skin Gait = Stride/Walk
22:26 Thank you for pointing that out. I found myself asking myself “If Lucas’s father was still in human form when they got back to the house, he couldn’t have been the one who turned his meth partner into shredded cheddar” obviously meaning there’s another one out there.
Hey Roanoke, since you're delving into supernatural weirdness, any chance you could touch upon Nicholas Cage's movie The Color out of Space? I mean I know the answer is cosmic space radiation poisoning for most of it probably, but I still want to hear your take on the movie hehe. Also the movie Bite which you can find on Amazon has a truly horrifying and interesting parasitic infection and another small group of horrible friends to pick apart. (well really just one horrible friend that I can remember anyway)
So a possible explanation for the Wendigo is that when people are starving, they only resort to cannibalism as the last resort. However, when they do so, there is usually so little fat left on the bodies (both of the cannibal and of the eaten) that it ends up causing "Rabbit Starvation" (Mal de caribou) which is a type of protein poisoning. This can cause diarrhea, fatigue and people that suffer from this "[...] eat till their stomachs are distended; but no matter how much they eat they feel unsatisfied". This, considering that where the legends originate from tends to have very lean meats, where probably the origins of the Wendigo myth.
That is honestly one of the coolest things I've learned in quite some time. It genuinely shows the importance of understanding what your body truly needs especially in survival scenarios. If I was in the wild and was given bountiful rabbit I wouldn't think twice about eating all I could. Curious if the onset of protein poisoning could be delayed if you cut down on the quantity but I'm not gonna find out 😂
@@istvanfodor9749 it's not necessarily the quantity of meat more like the lack of fats. Because your body lacks fat it will start using up your own fat stores no matter where they are. Tldr: brain needs fats to function
Dude, as a native of the Pacific Northwest, the forest is amazing during the day time. Then you go out at night. And it’s a whole ass nightmare world. I get where ideas for the Wendigo legend come from.
Yeah I can imagine the natives hearing this at night in the forest ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UE7YOJVSoIs.html and thinking they've got a whole ass Wendigo coming to rip out their spines.
very true. my dad and I got lost in a forest in the beautiful and bushy part of Canada when I was a wee kid and I didn't understand his frantic wandering to get out of the forest when it was getting dark, but you start hearing more sounds (ever hear a fox scream?), lose visibility, and the likelihood of getting out before it's light again goes down. don't think he would've eaten me if we got stuck as per the actual Wendigo lore but still, a spooky thought nonetheless
I've actually seen three reviewers sort of surprised at how Antlers depicts the dad as so sympathetic and kind to his children but I think it goes to show that him being a meth maker was never supposed to be a moral judgement against him. He's a good dad, but not a good role model (which perhaps puts him as a sort of foil to the teacher's vile father). Keep in mind the movie points out a lot that the town itself is in high poverty. Many people are struggling. The town is cursed and dying even before the Wendigo spirit gets released. A goddamn supernatural monster is just the cherry on top of the shit cake that is life there. So yeah, we're really not meant to hate the dad for being in the mines, if anything he's pitiable. He's doing what he can to provide for his children and unfortunately it is a damning action both in principle and in the unforeseen supernatural consequence. The mines being re-opened in the first place and him being in such dire straights to illicitly be there with just his one partner in crime (though frankly I'm not sure how the encounter would have gone with a team of miners instead) are the inciting incidents that releases the Wendigo upon the town. He was just as much a victim of the ever increasingly blighted town as anyone else. If anything the Wendigo is an analogy for abuse (and the cycles of such, which to the dad's credit I think he always did his best to keep Lucas safe and LITERALLY uncorrupted, after failing to prevent the analogous curse from spreading to the brother) as well as all the ways the town has been failed by systematic problems. EDIT: Not harping on Roanoke's take at all, just used his initial reaction as a springboard to talk more about the themes. He brings up a great point about how Frank (takes me a moment to remember names, Lucas was easy because his name is said, comparatively, a lot in the movie) was ultimately self serving, though I'd argue on the small scale, to make money to support his sons is a noble goal, but in the larger scheme of things he's just adding to the systematic problems of the town by distributing such poison which is bound to ruin the lives of other families and worsen a lot of economic problems which then may have reflected back on Frank and his sons in some way (which in horror movie fashion took the form of the Wendigo curse afflicting his family as opposed to a more boring and regular cause and effect). Brings it back to the cycle of abuse but in the larger scope. Shitty behaviors affect everyone and often circle back around.
Thanks for this take. I grew up in and live in... a mining town. And we are currently fighting for RUNNING 👏 WATER 👏 Because the state literally doesn't give a fuck that were out here. People forget that towns like the one in this movie EXIST and so do the men, women and children who live there. People look down their nose at us as if somehow they're superior because they live in a better place. Well, sorry. Some of us live here and deserve to pursue happiness just like anyone else.
@@diy_cat9817 You folks deserve just as much happiness as the rest of us. Just because you choose not to live in the shitty suburbs or god forsaken cities doesn’t make you any less. If anything living here makes me wish I could be in a quiet town.
Desperate times, desperate measures. Though if I were a drug dealer in one of these poverty stricken towns, I'd probably restrict my distribution to the major cities.
@@endel12 also, there were two wendigo's or whatever those creatures were supposed to be in the short story "the quiet boy", which Antlers is based on. Both Frank and Aiden turn, not just the Frank. Also the teachers gets merked. I feel like going based off of the trailers for the movie, it was supposed to be WAY different, atleast based off of someone of the shots from the trailer, but then they changed it. Liked the movie overall and especially the themes, but man, I really wish they would have focused on the actual wendigo more. A body count of 5(6 if you count Frank) for something like the Wendigo just ain't it chief
I love how the dad was shown being nothing but caring and loving towards his sons yet the movie said he was abusive despite even though it was portraying the opposite.
I thought that was sort of neat. The different perspectives you see at play were really interesting. I think it does a good job of showing that maybe his father wasn’t a “good” man, and that the drugs were twisting him into something even before he was cursed, but he wanted to at least care for his kids, in any way he could.
Abusers aren't abusive 100% of the time. I had some great times with my Evil Ex during the good times, when he was love bombing me, but, uh... that doesn't mean he didn't do some horrible stuff to me.
Even the fact that he was a drug dealer and user could be considered abusive for his own kids, for example putting money into his habit instead of their wellbeing, being emotionally unavailable, having dangerous fits when using/coming off meth.
@@wmdkitty annnd .. what exactly do you do when you outwardly love someone then turn on them... Can't say you haven't, you're human and you have faults to. Wouldn't that be considered love bombing as well? Are you sure you know the concept behind that, or are you just using a term to make sense of a two-sided two peopled, flawed relationship you were in? There are people out there in relationships where they choose to be an evil shit completely unprovoked... I know, I was stabbed by my ex and blamed for it, all on my birthday. But I also know the role I played in that .. I shoes to stick around when I shouldn't have. That was my choice even having seen how unstable she was, how she would blame me for her self harm and suicide attempts. How she would try to control every aspect of my decision making process right down to not allowing me to smoke my own weed that I bought that I shared with her. I literally had to fight pill bottles out of her hand, and my own weed. And afterwards I had to witness her deeply cutting her leg with a full knife. To say I'm scarred for life is a understatement .. but I could have avoided all that if I had just suffered by myself to make ends meet and left.
I love the short story this movie was based off of. The creatures weren't Wendigos , however they were horrifying. A Quiet Boy is definitely a wonderful read.
i preferred it being less a mindless beast than it was portrayed in this movie. Should have had more brutality like with the bully and I hated that the sister could just swing a pole and defend herself.
@@TheRaydiation I wish they would have kept to the creatures in the short story. They were otherworldly, clever, and I thought them feeding off the pain of others was a cool twist. Definitely would have been brutal if they stuck with the original content.
I'm sure that RU-vid doesn't appreciate it, but I really like how you took the risk and used some of the more violent and bloody scenes for this. Also, this taught me a lot about Wendigos that I never knew. I had no idea the process of destroying them took so much. I just thought they had a weakness to fire cause their hearts were frozen. Amazing video, can't wait to see you cover more!
In native American myth they can be but you can only kill them by burning there heart in a great fire the longer they have consumed human flesh the colder the heart (another term is the soul) as a result the fire must burn longer and much hotter if you don't destroy there heart they will come back
Thanks for watching guys! Let me know what you thought about more of the supernatural stuff being covered and if you have any suggestions on how to improve it! I felt like I did a pretty deep dive into the Wendigo lore but I'm always open to constructive criticism!
I loved it. How would you feel about doing the monster from Until Dawn? (not spoiling it if you haven't played it). There's actually quite a good story around it and it's right up your alley Roanoke.
You know the uncanny valley effect? I think the creepiest part of that human instinct is that it was evolutionarily advantageous to be afraid of things that look human but aren’t.
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 probably but there is a chance that is not the case since there is evidence that humans would interact with Neanderthals in…intimate ways. Anyways it is believed they were sort of combined with our genome and modern humans are sort of an unbalanced mix of the two. Like 99.99 to 0.01. That is what I have learned anyways you may know something different.
@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 Humans and neanderthals cross-bred pretty actively during their time, theres a good chance that you or someone you know have trace ancestry to the neanderthals.
The idea of a Wendigo looking like a stag creature comes from the 2001 movie Wendigo, which was actually written by the same person that would go on to write the plot of Until Dawn: Larry Fessenden.
Yeah, but since then many reference the stag look out of habit. Even in stuff not from America. The anime Ancient Magus Bride has a main character while not directly called a wendigo, clearly acts and shares designs in reference to the stag look to the point that even the fans believe he's a wendigo. Its everywhere.
The 'stag creature' actually comes from Algernon Blackwood's 1910 story "The Wendigo" - in actual myth, the 'creature' is a disembodied spirit that emaciates and grows its host in proportion to its greed: the hunger is only one part of the whole, as the spirit targets 'harmful selfishness'.
@LighttoneGryphStar Elias could be a leshen too, i think... he can mutate his form, has power over vines, and also, the show passes in europe... but you are right, he shares lots o characteristics with the "media-wendigo", he ate human flesh, he also looks terrifying when mad... incredible character design
Yes there is definitely an actual wendigo in the beginning of the movie… the infection/disease only creates more of them… there’s not just one… I asked myself after seeing this movie what happens to the original one that caused Franks transformation and left his dealing partner’s body in the woods??? That only leaves one answer…. There’s still one out there somewhere at the end of this movie!!!
I appreciate you doing this one during winter. The story (and lessons) of the Wendigo (the spirit of insatiable greed) is only supposed to be told during the winter otherwise it can draw the Wendigo's attention.
@@esppupsnkits4560 I'm Potawatomi, one of brother tribes to the Ojibwe who are being referred to in the movie. Our traditions are that we only talk about certain stories during the winter otherwise it might invite the spirit to a season it shouldn't be in. *BUT* there are other Nations who had Wendigo stories and rules about telling those stories. Even different villages within a Nation could have different traditions and rules.
Speaking or just thinking it's name will draw it. The cold will make it less eager but the spirit was born out of harsh winters. There is only so much it will wait.
@@Rurik_Luci oh, that makes sense, I read something like that in a cartoon when I was eight, never understood why a goat demon decided to slay an entire family just because the youngest boy made a drawing of it
The Wendigo has always been my favorite folklore creature, so I was really happy to see this movie! I loved the design of the creature and even though the movie was cheesy that only made me happier haha
@@RoanokeGaming yeah, it reminded me of my first encounter with the Wendigo myth from a book that was… hard to explain. A journal of a cryptid Hunter, written as if it was nonfiction, in the kid’s section at my local library. Considering there were several graphic deaths with illustrations included it shouldn’t have been there, but I fell in love with it and the legend of the Wendigo haha
@@lilylauk I don't really like the "as if it was nonfiction" as I am a Ojibway person where the Wendigo comes from. in my culture its not myth it's an actual spirit. I also really don't like the name of cryptids or cryptid hunters. But I'm not like offended by that one, it just irks me.
Can we admire how relatable the fact that roanoke left a pen on the floor next to a landmark (couldn't think of a better term) of his home for later use. I do this kind of thing all the time, and almost every time the object gets moved by someone not long before I could use it.
Yeah, like every. Single. Time. And it will sit there for a week, unmolested, and then, 10 minutes before I need it, wifey poo goes and "puts it away".
Regardless of how much hate this movie gets, you gotta admit that the design of the Wendigo looked really cool. Also, my theory on how the Sheriff gets infected at the end is that if the Wendigo stabs or injured you without killing, the antlers have some sort of toxin that transforms the host into the next Wendigo
@@Baldwin-iv445 Jaws has the benefit of being closer to "first to the gate" in that regard. It wasn't even intentional but it worked to add a layer of intrigue. Decades later people just want to see a cool design, we've had decades of mysterious noises, bush rustles, and scary shadows.
My great grandmother was a full-blooded Cree Indian and she used to tell us a story about seeing a wendigo when she was a kid. The story was that her and two of her sisters were out on their family’s land drying out deerskin hides that her father sold in town. She said that they heard a human like scream and then saw a creature looming between two trees. She described it as being around 9 feet tall and had deer like antlers but looked like a human! She told us this story several times over the years and I truly believe she definitely did see something, whether it was a wendigo? Ehh… It would be crazy if these things really did exist! 🤯🤯🤯
Well, while the likelihood of a monstrous cannibalistic transformed human made to look like a carcass of a deer lurking around the forests and wild lands of North America is very low, the more realistic idea of a wendigo (the one that looks like Golem) could be referring to other Native American legends of wild men, while also saying they went wild due to indulging in cannibalism. People sometimes do go insane after eating their friends/ family. Take the real life inspiration for Moby Dick, where two of the crew were found in a lifeboat filled with the bones of their fellow crewmates. The surviving crew would attack anyone trying to separate them from the remains. So, do people exhibit animalistic properties after eating fellow people? Yes. Do they become a golem like creature? Possibly, due to lack of nourishment resulting in malnutrition and hair loss. Do they become a mutated form representing death, like that of a werewolf? No. (at least i hope so, for the love of God.)
I’m Cree too and I take wendigo very seriously around the town I live in I hear shit around here and sometimes I can explain it as an animal but sometimes the sounds doesn’t even sound like one at all but horrible like really horrible, like I would tense up and shiver like stuff like that scares the shit out of me and of course one time my friend of mine was hearing shit that didn’t even sound like a animal and apparently it wouldn’t leave him alone but then another time my other friend heard something like that as well and he ran as fast as he could because he said it sounded far but then it was very close which is why he ran as fast as he could
@@gasmasksammy there is a medical reason why people sometimes went crazy from cannibalism too! aside from the obvious psychological side effects that one would get from consuming another person, usually a friend or relative, there was also a pretty rare disease called “kuru” that is passed on if one consumes contaminated brain tissue. it was studied within a community that ate brains of the deceased as a ritual for honoring the dead i believe. i think i read that it’s extinct now in our current time, but it was prominent during the 1900s while cannibalism was still being practiced in certain communities. not to sound like a know it all or anything, just thought i’d share because i just found this out recently myself and it’s pretty fascinating! look into it, i probably missed some details
Yeah it definitely depends on how in depth a person's belief in a particular culture is. I'm mainly Irish but have Cree, Sioux and Crow blood as well. My great grandmother told this story until she died at 98 years old and truly believed it. I keep an open mind to the world of cryptids because I have seen some very strange and unusual things in my life that I still can't explain and some I don't even want to try!!!
Fun Fact: In Actual Native American Folklore the Wendigo looks like an emaciated frostbitten corpse rather than the much more popular emaciated Antler Giant.
My questions is that if I go Deer/Elk hunting, and I accidentally get a Wendigo, do I have to use one of my tags in order to harvest it or do I just leave there and risk a fine with Fishing & Wildlife?
@@v.a.t.s9951 only problem with that is, going based off of Roanokes explanation (though it's not entirely true, partially but I think he may have misinterpreted a part of it) putting it on your wall is literally plopping it down in your house and letting it just come back whenever and kill you
@@m3ntallyd3fficient11 yeah, it seems getting infected is similar to HIV, via body fluids (that is, blood) If anybody in OP's house got even a drop of wendigo blood in their system, that member would slowly devolve to a feral state, looking more like a corpse as the days pass, and the wendigo will constantly prod the infected, until they finally chomp another human and let him out. In short, OP should seal that head in an airtight container, and sell any leaked blood for millions (also those native American charms would help keep the wendigo in check)
He is right the Until Dawn wendigo are the most accurate wendigos to the Algonquin folklore but those wendigos need to be tall as a train because wendigos are giants which is why there hungers are never satisfied. Wendigos have hearts of ice because they are lonely spirits of winter that live in cold places like Canada.
The empath thing is always a little weird because on one hand, yeah, ego. But on the other hand, sometimes it refers to children or adults who through trauma have become hypervigilant about mood changes and predicting behaviors in order to avoid further trauma. Child abuse victims often have this, as well as people whose jobs or relationships rely on the ability to read people or suffer severe consequences (i.e.: cops, military, nurses, psyche ward orderlies, etc)
Thank you for talking about the empath trend that shit is SO annoying. I literally had a woman who had never met me look me up and down after I introduced myself, and say "There's something off about you. I'm an empath and I can tell you got something dark going on." And then she just walks off without introducing herself back! Like I mean yeah I was depressed and going through something when she met me, but fuck off with that nonsense! To make shit worse she later came up to me and very roughly jabbed her finger into some wounds on my thigh, like girl you do not have permission to touch me.
>"There's something off about you. I'm an empath and I can tell you got something dark going on." "You're damn right, love. You've just insulted me. 'Empath'? Pull the other one, you're simply rude and egotistical, and that's nothing special". This lady sounds awful. BTW I hope your depression eased up.
“Teachers know everything.” Cut back to him getting his face pressed against a window hard enough for it to be painful as a kid holds a bag of dog poop near his nose…and no teacher coming to stop it.
I've got a friend who is a teacher of pretty young children and knows one of the shitbags physically hurts the other smaller weaker children because he finds it fun. She has been told by the school board under no circumstance is she allowed to break it up physically as the shitbags parents will file a lawsuit saying its racial discrimination and the school district can't afford it. Some teachers are bad, others are being throttled into not intervening.
I saw his transformation as: his infection had turned him into the humanoid wendigo as we saw locked up, but after the consumption of human flesh, he shed his former self and became the modern wendigo.
My biggest problem with the movie is the "infection". Why was he infected? The Wendigo isn't the flu, it's a malevolent entity that is specifically barred from attaching unless someone gives themselves up through cannibalism. I could not enjoy the movie because they turned the fantastic lore of the wendigo into a zombie virus.
@@JacePlaysGames If you interpret it moreso as an "infected" person is psychologically and physiologically weakened, it makes it easier for the entity to jump.
I do love how the explanation on how to survive is just: “so you gotta stab it with silver (if you don’t die first), btw you’re slowly going insane, cut out the heart (still going insane), find a church (the things probably back up and out to kill you), bury the heart in the churchyard (while negotiating with the folks there and the cops who’ve suddenly appeared), go back and find the things body (again, still trying to kill you), and butcher it, salt it, and put it in the ground (congratulations you’re insane now, if you haven’t died yet that is)
Yeah, and that only MIGHT work as there are several different depictions of wendigos with different weaknesses. Some depictions of wendigos have thick skin and so nothing can penetrate it. So trying to take on one is like a death wish lol.
My grandmother told me my uncle almost succumbed to a wendigo he was having a tantrum to a point where he was kicking and screaming, eventually he told her he wanted to taste the flesh of human she immediately locked him away for the day, don’t know when she checked on him but found him weeping and held him. Apparently he had Wendigo Psychosis.
@@BohoAstronaut0819wendige psychosis is real it makes you rabid like a chronic disease it’s what most cannibals have it’s genetic self preservation kicks into over drive overriding human social needs
@@BohoAstronaut0819 Could be, even if you don't believe in those creatures there is actually a medical term for that. Clinical lycanthrope, which makes the person believe they are a werewolf and go ballistic when the sun goes down, it's pretty nasty. It can result in mentioning a craving for human flesh in moments of lucidity.
How about covering the Until Dawn wendigos? We don't see the full transformation, but you can see the beginning and end of its process. It also has a completely different physiology; being more humanoid and not being infectious via bite/general attack
That game was funny. You can actually keep almost everybody alive if you make all the right choices but my first play through I killed just about everybody because fuck em.
If it happened on the west coast, the spirit would've been a wechuge, not a wendigo, though, admittedly, they're basically the same thing. As far as I've been able to tell, the only difference is in their origin: A wendigo is a pure and simple evil spirit, but a wechuge is a great animal spirit that's been corrupted or angered somehow, which neatly fits with the opening of the movie, about the land becoming angry that we'd taken so much from it. Additionally, the earliest -recorded- myth that I have access to claims the ritual to destroy a wendigo is to carve out its heart with an axe of iron or steel or even bone, if you have to, and burn the thing in a roaring bonfire, as large as you can manage it, as the heart is made of ice and winter and hunger itself, so its destruction lies in flames, preferably on hallowed ground of some kind, doesn't matter what god blessed it. The other bits were still there, though, about dismembering the body to ensure it doesn't regenerate while you burn the heart. I've seen the eye contact bit around before, too, though not in the form of 'it automatically recognizes you as human', but more that's how it 'infects' others, how the possession actually transfers and the psychosis begins, corrupting -your- spirit into that of a wendigo, as well. I don't know how accurate that is, though, since I've been unable to find mention of it outside of that one instance. Wechuge, on the other hand, have much less recorded information about them, and the name is far less recognizable, so that's probably why the writers of the movie decided on wendigo for the west coast. Admittedly, I may be wrong on this; I don't have a degree or any formal study in mythology and folkore. I just -want- to get an anthropology degree focusing on it. Plus, I can't just go up and ask tribes about their myths. Would be kinda rude. That said, great video, as always. I can't wait for the next one.
I'm sure if you get a degree in anthropology focusing on it, the people who tell these tales wouldn't be too offended by you asking to record their myths so they at least last until Historians can speak of them again and let that information flourish. Then again I haven't encountered a proper Native American Tribe so they might prefer that the tales stay purely oral.
@@MrCjlauer49338 No, it's... Rather complicated. The idea that speaking the name of a creature or entity draws its attention is common throughout the world, and Native Americans are no exception. And, besides, they've been exploited and their cultures and beliefs debased and used for cheap, schlocky entertainment so much that I seriously doubt they'd appreciate someone walking up and going 'no, guys, for real, I promise I won't call you savages or ridicule your beliefs like everyone else did', like they haven't heard that a thousand times already.
Good news, Roanoke! Wendigo traditionally reside in the Great Lakes area of the US and Canada (from Minnesota to Maine-ish) and are mostly active during the winter. So you don't have to worry about getting eaten by a Wendigo on the west coast!
I do like how the movie establishes how people could realistically actually manage to capture and seal this thing away. The more it eats the weaker it gets so all you'd need to do is wait for it to gorge itself before locking it up somewhere. The question is, can there be more than one Wendigo? the ending seems to imply no but we never actually figure out what happened to the first Wendigo in the mines and it doesn't seem like the dad was the one that bisected his friend and dragged half of the body into the woods as eating human flesh would've turned him immediately. I have to assume the original Wendigo was literally physically sealed into the mountain and the walls of the prison it was contained in was weakened by mining and that it eventually was able to just burrow out.
Your intro reminded me of a camping trip. I was sleeping outside in a hammock, in the mountains, while my friends slept in a tent nearby. My friends heard a noise during the night, and looked out to check. There was a big ass deer standing by my hammock sniffing and looking at me, with a few more deer nearby. I was dead asleep the whole time and had no idea. The deer calmly left after a bit and everything was fine, but I thought that might add to your justification for sleeping in your car while camping.
Nah bro I'm good. I'd be having nightmares for a long ass time after something like that, and would never step foot in the woods again. Especially given that I'm real into cryptids and mythology
Becoming a windigo (windego, windeego ect ect) is not always linked to greed. Depending on the tribe it is also having a sick soul or mind or both. Cannibalism is definitely A way to become one as that is one of the greatest sins one can do. Also again depending on which tribe you talk to the curse can be given to anyone or just first nations.
2018 Roanoke: “he guys today we will see how the necromophs from the acclaimed Dead Space game could take over your body if it were real!” 2022 Roanoke: “I will teach you how to fend off a wendigo in the woods” What an absolute Chad character development
My one big issue with this movie is the connection of fire with the windigo as I know that the windigo is a ice/winter spirit. So cold not heat. Heat is it's biggest weakness.
@@fatherpleasereturn2088 I'm not sure on that. I just know in Legends they say fire is the way to kill or banish them. But this movie the windigo clearly has fire connection to it
i watched this in theaters and as a native american i loved it because my knowledge of the culture i guessed it was a wendigo from the begining i dont really care much but just saying the old native guy talking of " the spirits are angry" is kinda overdone and i feel the wendigos final form was killed to easy and wasnt there long enough but still great movie
Just remember that in this movie the origins of the wendigo is not an evil spirit but is a virus. Don't know where the antlers came from. Like seriously where did the antlers come from
I actually liked this movie. It had decent scares, gore and some pretty interesting character development. Mainly, with how all the main characters had all been victims of extreme child abuse. This is important because we see the cycle of abuse. We also see how PTSD affects our characters from the back story of each character. Now combine that with the Wendigo mytho. I thought the film was fantastic in that respect and I wish more horror movies would take these sort of approaches when it came to its plot and characters. Good or Great stories always have great characters. So, if one is gonna write a horror movie. Just write great character traits and much of it will fall into place. However, I understand that is rarely what we see. Studio Executives very rarely are in touch with the art of making great or even good horror movies in today’s culture. They are good at their jobs when it comes to business, dollars/cents/crypto but lack real creative juices. This is like Auto-Tune for singers. Make anyone who believes they can sing, actually sound like they can sing. People who are real fans of a genre can see the difference. Sadly, because of how this movie is paced the masses probably won’t like it, which directly translates into dollars/cents. This would mean the suits have failed. Can we have both, sure we can. Its up to writers/filmmakers to raise their own standards and accept nothing less. So what if the suits hire an indie director for the next marvel movie. There goes your trade-off. Not what fans want. Suits are always willing to cancel out artistry for money and call that a successful movie. Boo… Great review of the movie and mytho tie in…
It just occurred to me that the Antlers Wendigo is basically a First Nations cryptid version of a Xenomorph. It infects the initial host, gestates inside them, then violently bursts out before quickly taking on its adult form. But on top of that, it makes the host violently cannibalistic, and can spread the infection even when the adult form (& even a newly-infected host) expires. Combine this with its psychosis-inducing telepathy, and we could have a bio-superweapon the likes of Aliens or Prometheus. I can imagine it already: a survey ship finds the remains of a crashed colony ship, and everyone onboard is found to have perished. One of the survey crew begins experiencing unusual hunger & aggression, and when a crewmate intelligently decides to break quarantine (& subsequently turns into a manwich), the wendigo infection matures, and now the surviving crew have to deal with a super-strong ravenous predator with human intelligence & psychosis-inducing telepathy. Of course, the Ripley survives at the end by nuking the wendigo from orbit, but PLOT TWIST! Ripley starts coughing up blood right before she enters cryo. Cue Space Antlers 2: Wendigo Boogaloo.
Have you looked at the Strigoi from the TV series The Strain? Real intriguing that one. Parasitic worm vampires. 30 days to transform, they appear to try for a scientific explanation and I'm curious on your opinion of how well they did.
Roanoke is correct about the "this is your brain on Wendigo, kids." I survived a Wendigo and it does mess with your mind and soul. Thank God I was able to escape her in the divorce, but the experience has had long term effects on my mental and emotional health.
Fantastic breakdown and explanation sir. During your presentation I found myself continually likening the psychosis aspect to behavioral changes seen in other parasitized organisms such as caterpillars or snails (especially upon viewing the "antler" growing from the mouth of an adult victim early on) and was basically leaning towards an advanced fungal colony (i.e.: Cordiceps) but you won me over, as I totally love the very concept of the Wendigo as an endstage product or childe of a massive bone cancer parasite or perhaps even prion-based instead. The Host having its systems enslaved to the benefit of this new and capably superior lifeform. . . Excuse me, alternative genetic expression of humananity While it is still technically human or at least composed of human cells, it now preys on baseline humans, possesses enhanced capabilities to easily bring down its preferred prey, but behaves i. so utterly an alien fashion while retaining some memories and emotions. You've won a fan here today sir. I look forward to binging on your other videos.
Honestly you covering more supernatural things like Moder from The Ritual would be absolutely stellar. You are an excellent teacher of sorts for this sort of thing, and having a wider choice would be pretty fun to see what you pick, especially with lesser known things like Feast or Animal (seriously, how many people even remember these movies?)
Not sure how “scientific” they are, but you should also consider covering Outlast’s varying afflictions, such as the Variants from 1 or the scalled from 2 (not sure if they’re scientific because even though it’s left vague if anything is supernatural or not, I don’t know if the writers based the physiology on anything in real life or they just went for what was the most horrific to look at)
Something disturbing yet cool that I noticed about the Wendigo in Antlers is how the antler growth doesn't just start and end on the head. The whole top-side of its neck is covered in antlers.
Hey Roanoke, have you ever considering doing a series based on Supernatural? That would be a ton of content. Even if you don’t use every monster (which of course some aren’t usable.)
The fact that you can’t recover any psychological damage is the worst part. Like damn, just stay away from one as much as possible. PTSD and then W--o dementia is wild.
Wendigo is perhaps my favorite folklore/cryptid out there (even more than Squatch, Nessie, and Indrid Cold). I had no idea a movie related to one was ever made. I'm also fascinated by your analysis on how it works. Speaking of Indrid Cold, Mothman would be an interesting cryptid to discuss on the channel. Any chance it may appear in the future? There is one thing of note when you talked about Wendigo Psychosis. For one, the term first popped up in the 80s and the common consensus was that it was written off as racist and derogatory towards indigenous people. A lot of public media, public figures, and whoever needs to talk about it at the time speak about Wendigo Psychosis as if it is an accredited diagnosis, and it really isn't. No studies of any kind have been made. A lot of the early case studies, if we can call them that, were made with Euro-focused lens with colonizer overtones. One such quote: "This ailment attacks our deputies, and as death is the sole remedy among those simple people for checking such acts of murder, they were slain in order to stay the course of their madness." To add context, the guy only got reports of this and saw nothing firsthand. Later talks such as the treatises 'Revenge of the Wendigo' talks about disorders amongst indigenous people write the following. By James Waldrom: "No actual cases of Wendigo Psychosis have ever been studied, and Lou Morono's scathing critique in 1985 should have killed off the cannibal monster within the psychiatric annals.The wendigo, however, continues to seek revenge for this attempted scholarly execution by periodically dupping unsuspecting passersby, like psychiatrists, into believing Wendigo Psychosis not only exists, but that a psychiatrist could conceivable encounter a patient suffering from this disorder in his or her practice today. Wendigo Psychosis may well be the most perfect example of the construction of an aboriginal mental disorder by the scholarly professions, and its persistence dramatically underscores how constructions of the aboriginal by these professions have, like Frankenstein's Monster, taken on a life of their own." In short, there is no evidence of the disorder's existence. I still love the video, but I feel like the deep dive was missing this little bit about Wendigo Psychosis.
Ah, so pleased to see one of my favorite mythological creatures featured here, especially considering how rare it is for the Wendigo to get any attention at all. I think you should totally do a series based on myths and legends that aren't necessarily depicted in popular media if that's something you'd enjoy; I'm sure it will be fascinating. Great work, and looking forward to the next one. EDIT: If you want a fantastic Wendigo film, check out Ravenous from 1999, with Robert Carlyle, Guy Pearce, and a bunch of others. It's a personal favorite, and it sounds like it'd be right up your alley.
I was so pumped when i first heard of this movie because I am also a huge Wendigo fan. I live in an area of Canada where we have actual cases of "Wendigo Psychosis" leading them to eat their family, and people who have killed family members claiming they have become a Wendigo. I was really unimpressed that the child and the Sheriff would become Wendigo, because they entire legend of the Wendigo is a cautionary tale of Greed. Child was not greedy and the Sheriff invited his sister into his house and sharing his home with her. The Wendigo would not possess them. When i was in the academy, we had an Idigenous Police Instructor teach us that drug dealers were "Wendigo" because they "fed" off their communities by living off the suffering. So when i saw that the drug dealer was possessed i was impressed, but it kind of just turned into the werewolf movie trend of getting "bitten".
Hey I’m a First Nation if you want to ask. More about the legend rather I believe is based in truth I am here Roanoke from appearence to mental effects
In my own Medieval Fantasy series, the Wendigos in that series are very much inspired by the Necromorphs from Dead Space and the Thing, meaning that it'll infect and corrupt a living being after possessing their body and anything that possessed being eats also takes on aspects of whatever it eats, and in turn grows larger and stronger because of it.
Outside darkness? come on we ALL ran up the stairs after turning the light off as thats what spawns the murderer behind you for a chase scene. Thats just facts.
Yea all those steps for the ritual, having to survive the wendigo in the first place and the part about them staying in the wilderness far away from human settlements (meaning gl reaching a church in time with the heart to bury it before it catches another person to possess) just sounds like it’ll be a never ending problem if one reaches its final form. Quality video as always
I doubt there’s a movie about it, but my favorite cryptid by far is the Chupacabra. Especially the ones that look more like a canine than a reptile. Would be awesome to see some kind of movie or game featuring it.
There was some Sci Fi original years back called I think Chupacabra: Dark Seas which was about it getting on some cruise ship. If memory is serving me right that is.
For me it's the opposite. Hated when some mangy dog sighting started getting called the Chupacabra and we started to see less alien monster and more just... Messed up dog. Like I dunno it felt like if Mothman were to suddenly be rebranded as Horsefly Man or something. It's not the classic cryptid anymore.
@@getschwifty5537 The full on reptile scared the hell out of as a kid, so I still have a bit of an aversion to it. My favorite depiction is a wolf that has reptilian features like spines, fangs, long forked tongue, claws. The myth sprung from people seeing wolves/coyotes acting weird due to a mange infection, I believe. At least, that’s what my parents and grandparents told me. Always been a fan of more realistic monsters that have actual biology, so that influences my monster design
I love you for mentioning the common depiction of a wendigo. The skinwalker, however, is very commonly described as either a bipedal deer with a degree of rot to it, or a humanoid with a deers skull and antlers in place of a human head.
That scene with the shed is almost like your typical stealth game where you whistle from a bush and one by one the guards are coming to investigate, while you take them out
I taught grammar school for a few years while I was still in school and the scene where she does not call on the little red head is very telling and honest in so many ways , they’re establishing the teachers frame of mind , like you mentioned it seems mean of course it is but I have seen many teachers treat students this way. It’s very lazy but common.
@@RoanokeGaming First of all, I diden't expect a reply from you directly though - Nice! :D Secondly, I love your content - very well made and the part in this video about the TikTok Trend; pure gold! And thirdly, basically a Hulder/Huldra/Holda are "spirits of the forest" (broader term) which appear to be beautiful women (There's also a male version of it, the Huldrekall), which kinda protect the forest too. You can recognize them sometimes on their tail, you definitly know its a Hulder if you see their "bottomloss hole on their back" - Yet I wouldn't advise you to look into it. If you of good heart, they'll help you if you got lost to find your way home and sometimes they can even fall in love with you and become your wife in which case they then loose their tail (as well as the hole in the Back) and as long as you treat her right you will be always happy and financially well off. They also sometimes lure people into the forest which then never seen again or seduce but leavin' you afterwards which will left you with a never ending longing to encounter her again and can be harmfull to those which are not well meaning. So overall, if you treat the Forest with respect as well as others - They are helpfull or simple will give you the night of your life. It's said that charcoal burner for an example often kinda interacted with them - charcoal burner would left offerings like food and milk outside and the Hulder would in turn watch over them, protecting them and warn them before dangers.
You’ve done it again love your channel love it when you get scientific with stuff and your theories can you do the Snake from anaconda or the alligator from lake placid I know they’re regular animal but come on the movies where good animal horror classics
Anaconda is more likely, or the blood orchids that make them grow. I can imagine the alligator explanation would focus more on how it survived so well in a foreign environment(water, flora, fauna) without adapting over generations.
You know, I just had a thought. What if the black stuff that oozes out of the cursed is carbon or soot, like something had been burned? Maybe the wendigo burns the victim's soul and inhabits their body. Or the wendigo's burning hunger could be to blame? Who knows?
I’ve done a lot of research and considering your proxim to a Wendigo there are several signs that point it out especially in a heavily wooded area. REMEMBER THEY WILL SEE YOU LONG BEFORE YOU SEE THEM OR ANY SIGN OF THEM Sign 1: absolute dead silence. No crickets at night no bugs buzzing and no birdsongs, even in winter there are birds chirping Sign 2: this one is more native related but spotting a lone owl in the trees because natives believed that an owl was a sign of death Sign 3: spontaneous blizzard, somehow they can conjure up blizzards to confuse and disorient their prey Sign 4: the heavy and instant smell of rotten flesh or meat. This signifies that they are extremely close by
Also cold spots, though that goes alongside blizzards. But ye, you right. And also hearing creepy ass voices in the woods. You might just get lucky if it decides to let you live.
Hey Roanoke. Do you plan on tackling the Xenomorph? Loved the video and how you tried to explain it off as an infection that leads to a wendigo growing within the host and exploding out once a certain amount of growth or parameters are met (kind of like the Xenomorph eh? See what I did there?) rather than the traditional spirit leading to the person transforming, which like you, I prefer too. Also, if you want to have a rough idea of what the wendigo is supposed to look like in the movie, since I know this movie is really dark during the only long scene where the creature ain't just shown in quick flashes, you can look up concept art from I think Guillermo Del Toro for it, it's actually really creepy
Can I have a second to explain what the supernatural empath actually does? They put themselves in other people's shoes, really well. This helps them heal psychological wounds basically. It's a good trait for someone like a councillor or therapist. That's it. These TikTok "empaths" are just narcissistic. This movie was so insane, thanks for covering it RG.
well empaths aren't necessarily supernatural. being an empath is just being human. everyone to some degree is an "empath". some just pick up on others emotions faster. you`ll notice something in anyone if you look hard enough but, that doesn't make anyone special. regarding that, anyone can pick up on someone else's emotions even if they're tryin to hide it or they're just being casually ignorant or don't care.
@@redflame300 I know that. What I meant was the root of a supernatural empath. I know that it's not anything beyond human to empathize with someone, or to be able to relate. It's just that I was explaining what true supernatural empathy would be.
based on your explanation of the transformation of the wendigo in antlers, I find it interesting that both versions of the wendigo are shown but it still shows one version is still in the movie, nonetheless. (In my opinion) native American wendigo: Frank's primitive progression (before the transformation) European wendigo: the mines and the rest of the movie (after the transformation) also, my favorite cryptic monster and debating on which version to dress up as for Halloween.
The fact that this is actually a real cryptid actually unsettles me with a slim possiblity that something that mimics human noises and has a taste for the red meat lurks on the Northern American continent
