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Antwerp Port 1994. Hi8 recording digitized and upscaled to HD and UHD. 

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Antwerp Port 1994. Hi8 recording digitized and upscaled to HD and UHD.
Camera: Sony V6000
Played on HI8 recorder EVO-9700P
S-video out to MII Recorder AU-W35H for TBC use.
S-Video out from AU-35H to S-VIDEO in Data Video Mixer SE-800 for use Frame buffer and digitizing.
SDI out from SE-800 to Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 3G Recorder SDI in.
3G Recorder Thunderbolt out to Laptop, capture with FFMPEG in FFV1 10bit colorspace 4:2:2 and PCM for sound.
Editing and all post editing with Davinci Resolve. Deinterlace with DaVinci Neural Engine and Upscale with superscale from Davinci resolve. Output FFV1.
Encode in H264 in 10bit 4:2:2 and upscale to RU-vid

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@ConsumerDV
@ConsumerDV 8 месяцев назад
This looks amazing! Thank you!
@vetrov888
@vetrov888 8 месяцев назад
Sony 1,000th series color rendition is striking, cool retro style
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 месяцев назад
I don't understand your comment. what do you mean?
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 месяцев назад
The result of the video digitization is wonderful, I also have the V-6000 Pro camera now fully functional, my problem is that I have not yet found a quality video capture card, which one do you use?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 месяцев назад
Read the discription. Its all there.
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 месяцев назад
@@videotaperetro1126 I read it but I can't tell where you mention the video capture card you use?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 месяцев назад
@@salvatorev_ Hi, this is a "chain" The actual conversion from analog to digital is done by the SE-800. So it is not one capture card but consists of the parts I mentioned. So I do not use such a thing as a capture card. S-video out to MII Recorder AU-W35H for use TBC. S-Video out from AU-35H to S-VIDEO in Data Video Mixer SE-800 for use Frame buffer and digitize. SDI out from SE-800 to Blackmagic Design UltraStudio 3G Recorder SDI in. 3G Recorder Thunderbolt out to Laptop.
@salvatorev_
@salvatorev_ 5 месяцев назад
@@videotaperetro1126 If I understand correctly, you play the tape from the device and connect it where?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 5 месяцев назад
You should google the devices I list in my previous reply. Then you can get an idea of what I do. I will then answer you afterwards because then you can understand it better.
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 8 месяцев назад
Do you notice a big difference with the W35H in the chain? I think the SE-800 has a TBC in it as well, so that seems like the W35H may not be needed in the chain? The W35H describes its TBC as a "3D TBC", but given that it is from 1982, odds are that it is truncating the color depth into 8 bits or less while it is digital, so the later 10 bit capture probably doesn't gain you anything over an 8 bit capture (which would take up a lot less disk space)., Wondering if you could post the same capture without that in the chain as I'm curious what it adds or if the color changes at all. I would be curious if the 3D TBC does anything to get rid of line dropouts perhaps? Thanks!
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 месяцев назад
Hello, thank you for your detailed response. I'm going to give some explanation and maybe say things you already knew, my apologies for this; I like to explain it long and straight, so hold on tight. First the Panasonic MII W35H: "The MII video format was developed by Panasonic in 1986 to compete with Sony's Betacam SP format. It was built upon the unsuccessful Matsushita / RCA 'M' format (1982)." So the recorder is from after 1986, more specifically from 1994. The recorder's TBC is a "LINE TBC" this type of TBC solves wobbly images and other unstable conditions due to small speed variations of the tape running and rotation of the video head, stretched tapes, etc. And this LINE TBC is one of the best I have ever come across. The image via the W35H is super tight, I think you've seen that. I can also use the TBC of my SONY PVW-2800 Betacam SP recorder or my Panasonic AG-7750 Super VHS recorder. My Digital 8 Camcorders that also play Analog Hi8 tapes with a LINE TBC also do less well. The LINE TBC also removes the sync pulses from the video signal and generates stable broadcast-worthy sync pulses. So I can also digitize without the SE-800. All capture devices accept the signal via a LINE TBC. Also my AJA KONA LHi, Black Magic mini converter and AJA V2DIGITAL. So I have plenty of choice. Without a TBC, forget it. And now the SE-800: The SE-800 is a prosumer mixing console. The kind that accepts unsynchronized SD video signals. Studio mixing consoles and all connected devices are all in sync by means of a "black burst" (reference sync pulses) and therefore do not require a frame buffer in the mixing console. So the SE-800 does. The manual mentions a TBC, but if you read carefully they talk about a FRAME BUFFER TBC. This is a completely different thing than a LINE TBC. A frame buffer takes each frame as it is (photo) into a buffer, keeps track of the image and adds new sync pulses to it. Because this is a mixing console it keeps track of the images from all inputs and puts them in sync using... that frame buffer so you can blend. This is done digitally (10bit 422 color space) So a frame buffer TBC does not care about the content. You can use a worn-out consumer VHS recorder with a worn-out tape as input, and it will produce a broadcast-worthy image. But nothing will have changed in the content, i.e. before our eyes the image will be very poor. The capture devices know nothing about the content and will digitize without any problems. Think of it as someone who takes a photo of a CRT screen 25 times per second and puts these photos in a timeline of an NLE and makes a video file from them. Maybe a crazy metaphor, but I can't think of any other. A real example: When I do FF or RW on the Hi8 recorder with only the LINE TBC of the W35H, the capture devices say no. With the SE-800 in between they show the reeling of the tape as you would see when connected directly to a CRT. So the SE-800 does have a function and the SDI output is the max. P.S. Almost all prosumer mixing consoles only have a Frame buffer, with a few exceptions. The Videonix MX1 is one of those, so it also has a real LINE TBC (10 bit 422) Voila, now I stop.
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 8 месяцев назад
@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks for the detailed response! Very interesting, I was unaware that the MX1 had a line TBC. I actually have one of them, but haven't done really any testing with it. I was under the impression that it was a frame TBC as well. Is there any advantage to using the W35 on say VHS when the player itself has a line TBC? One thing I haven't been able to really determine is if the JVC/Panasonics with line TBCs do the buffering in 8 bit or 10 bit 4:2:2 as I'm guessing there's a potential for a bottleneck in color depth there. Also what hardware do find works best on multigenerational tapes to improve "baked in" line TBC errors?
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 месяцев назад
@@orihalcon8693 Once you have passed through a line tbc or framebuffer tbc there is no point in passing through another line tbc. The perfect sync pulses created by the previous line tbc means that nothing more will happen through a subsequent line tbc. Especially not if you have passed through a frame buffer tbc because it creates a perfect image (even if the content looks wobbly and bad) so a next line tbc cannot do anything more. That also answers your question whether you can correct "backed in tbc errors". So no, you are actually asking if a line tbc is intelligent enough to understand what is on the image. A line TBC looks at the timing of the sync pulses and if they are perfect nothing happens. Maybe in a few years when AI technology is more advanced to interpret interlaced SD video and then correct that. (just kidding or not?). Don't worry about 8 or 10 bit. Most Line tbc's in prosumer vhs recorders work analog with a delay line as the linchpin in the circuit. Only the very last models were digital. We are not talking about a codec like today in modern cameras but hardware ad-da without storage or compression. PS. So always put a framebuffer TBC AFTER a Line TCB! A frame buffer is a solution for dropped frames and other sliders that a line tbc does not solve (unless all in one tbc's like the MX1)
@orihalcon8693
@orihalcon8693 8 месяцев назад
​@@videotaperetro1126 Thanks again for the info! Do you have any tips on how to avoid or manage line dropouts? I know most VHS players do it internally to some degree, but a lot of those will produce a sort of "purple discoloration" where the bad line is.
@videotaperetro1126
@videotaperetro1126 8 месяцев назад
@@orihalcon8693 Yes, I know what you mean. Unfortunately, I don't know of any miracle cure to fix this either. What I sometimes do when it's really bad is replay the tape. Chances are it's gone because it was probably a speck of dirt on the tape or head that is now gone. And then tinker around in the NLE to replace that frame.... And if it really needs to go, you can grab a piece of image from the previous frame in your NLE and place it over the glitch (masking). You must already have experience to do that. We (I) are not professional restorers, it remains a hobby. Serious dropouts are absorbed by the frame buffer.
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