SOME parts fabrication was necessary to get this Pederson device to work at all. We show what you need to learn, not a tutorial. If you do not posses the skills to perform at this level, do NOT attempt. Support us: / anvil
Kind of like how the original M1911 prototype was a cool bit of engineering that became a respectable weapon after undergoing about a dozen design iterations. Sadly the Pedersen device didn't get that kind of opportunity for refinement.
@@ostiariusalpha The issue is that the Pedersen device is a PCC designed to fit inside an M1903 Springfield rifle. Not only is that a very impressive thing to pull off, even if it didn't work. But it's a pretty pointless task. The U.S. would probably have been better off issuing pistol caliber lever-action rifles.
@@LUR1FAX That's a lot more weight to carry an M1917 Enfield (which is what they would be equipped with if not for the Pedersen conversion kit) and a separate lever action, against inserting the smaller device and carrying more ammo mags. At least, ideally speaking.
Don't know what's scarier. That someone thought packing what essentially is a pistol into a bolt and chamber of a .30 '06 made sense, that someone managed to make it work, or Mark's socks.
I'm going to go with making it work. I've seen scarier socks, but after watching the C&Rsenal on the Pedersen Device I am absolutely amazed that it worked.
Well, we still have 32 acp and 30 carbine inserts for 308 and 30-06. If someone makes a semi-auto bolt and mag adapter for a 308 that would be an interesting camp gun.
@@randomidiot8142 the Semi-auto part of that would be a pain in the ass. Bolt action rifles have a simple dropping sear with no disconnector. The M1903Mk1 has some extra parts added to work as the disconnector in the rifle. I should add that I'm surprised that the Pedersen Device wasn't a full auto. I mean, they were planning on each grunt carrying some 400 rounds of ammo for it!
@@ScottKenny1978 The bolt action rifle trigger might not have the right stock trigger mechanism, but if you can make a semi-auto adapter that's just a small hurdle. A disconnecter on a system like that would be easy, like a tippmann 98 paintball trigger mechanism for example. Technically the tippmann is an open bolt, I know, but it would work. I thought the pederson was from the bolt action magazine cutoff time period and before pcc/smg doctrine, so semi-auto makes sense to me..? 🤷♂️
@@randomidiot8142 pretty sure that ATF would not like the design if you were selling the adapter and the replacement trigger. A big sign sayings "you will commit a felony with a penalty of $100k fine and 10 years in prison if you don't install the trigger group" isn't likely to fly. "Easily converted to full auto" and all that. You'd probably have to have the buyers send you their rifle to install the new trigger and send it back with the semi-auto bolt. While you're right about when the Pedersen Device was made, it was also in the middle of Schnellfeuer, MP18s, and the inspiration for the Thompson. Not to forget that the extra bits in the Mk1 ruin the trigger pull.
The first time I ever heard of the Pederson device was back in 2002-2003ish I was at a local gun store and a 1903 with the Pederson cutout came in. Even though the owner was well versed in U.S. Military firearms he looked the gun up in the Blue Book and mentioned the Pederson cutout. Nobody in the store including myself had ever heard of the Pederson device. Over the years I heard it mentioned in several books and videos but nobody ever showed one. It wasn't until Ian over at Forgotten weapons did a video on one that I had any clue what it looked like. You are a very lucky gunsmith to get the chance to work on something so rare and valuable. You seem to get the pleasure of working on a fair amount of rare guns.
Getting a Pedersen to work ! Mega respect from across the pond, love seeing someone machine in the way my father & grandfather taught me, well done that man !
Possibly the most educational channel on YT. Mark is a brilliant man. It's a shame YT is trying to suppress gun channels while promoting Cardi B WAP. Remember, America was built on the back of firearms and the firearm industry, not Cardi B's WAP.
Just a few years back I came here to RU-vid looking for a video of someone actually firing a Pederson Device. No beans. 😞 Now I've actually seen one fired AND torn down (outside of the patent drawings) - WOW!!! You got your Man Card punched and I got my Nerd Box checked. Thanks, Mark! 👍
I guess you particularly appreciated this job going across your bench? Watching you machine, I can imagine a thousand machinists cringeing, but the job gets done, and I think to myself, "this Novak fella is a sneaky *expletive deleted* and he gets a beautiful job done, ugly fashion". Outstanding!
Mark, I really learned something ! Using a backwards drill bit as a mandrel to prevent collapse of the collar AND not having the small part falling under the lathe! Thanks for the video!
My dead great aunt was a monster please don’t use her as an example, many innocent every day people died at her evil hands. Like all of today’s mass murderers their names should live in infamy; an be not spoken to die in memories and remain as a dark spot in history. They should definitely not be used or glorified as a poor metaphor example for such a skilled craftsmen as Mr Novak’s man card. Thank you
its probably nowhere near as much of a deal as it seems, but I'm always amazed when i see tradespeople who've been trained in imperial/non metric talking about such small measurements, my brain'd be burning out trying to figure out the fractions, then again, maybe Millimetres can give you guys similar issues to start with. in any case, always awesome to get see cool machining at work to get complex mechanisms to function! cheers!
I learn so much from each of your videos. They are very entertaining, I even like the music in the intro , and during some of the videos. I have become much more tolerant of men and women, who charge more than Bubba, down at the gun store, or car repair shop, or motorcycle shop, who give superior service , and always seem to get it "fixed right" the first time. I know now education ,and experience are a very valuable commodity . Keep up the Good work. Thank You.
We have a #5 Warner and Swasey turret lathe. It make jobs like these a snap. And you could set it up to make thousands of them, for that huge unserved Pederson repair parts market! 😉
I ran a Warner Swasey 2A, 3A, and 4A for 7.5 years making bronze bushings, bearings, and washers. We also had a #5 but I think I only ran it maybe once or twice after the previous operator retired. I was trained on the 2A with extended bed, then went to the 4A as my main machine, got laid off after 2 years. Then 60 days later I got called back and ran the 2A with extended bed for the remaining time I was there. The 2A's and 3A were in very good condition. The 4A was pretty well shot it was purchased from a Texas oil field that used it for hobbing pipe, they didn't even have the turret and turret apron on it. It ended up at a machinery dealer in Cleveland who put a metric turret on it. My employer and his purchasing agent were not skilled in assessing machines and bought it anyway. So no matter what you did the O.D. and I.D. always ran at different feed rates due to the Imperial gearing in the the one apron and the metric gearing in the other. Those power chuck wrenches sure were nice though.
Holy cow what an engineering nightmare but for something that is over a 100 years old it cool. Mark another great job and very awesome episode. Glad to have your expertise continue to keep the mil surps going!
I had about 900 rounds for the Pederson Device and in a moment of stupidity traded them off. A friend who worked at the Rock Island Arsenal thought that there were probably blueprints still there for it. Wish he could have found them and made copies. The 1968 22nd edition of Gun Digest has an article on the device with a list of existing units including one for the Enfield and another for the Mosin Nagant.
Yes, but my heart broke when he was marking with the caliper on a running lathe. Hopefully, that caliper was designated for rough work, and that he keeps another one for accurate measurements.
@@sidekickbob7227 if you own a calliper you probably an four or five of them. I love my high end Mitutoyo but my Ali Express tools get way more use and I won’t cry if I drop them on the ground.
@@john-paulsilke893 Yeah, I always buy the upper middel quality ones (mitutoyo?), and degrade them after they get used. I keep one for accuracy, one for daily use, and one rough for marking. But I would never marked a piece in the lathe, while it was running. That's just abuse.
The US Army Motor Pool all of which were German except for one 1st Lt who always reminded me that he was a college trained shrink at Oberammergau, would fabricate many Teletype parts for me and the fee was a carton of Winstons ($1.25 my cost) They could fabricate a new TTY part from scratch faster than I could order and receive parts from 4th Signal Battalion Army Supply. I bought a 59 VW from the motor pool for 2 cartons of Winstons and 2 half gallons of Jim Beam Oh, and a few jars of peanut butter. I moved to another Base where the motor pool was great at washing a vehicle could replace a bad vehicle part with a new part and that's about it. I sorely missed not being around the best fabricators in the world any longer.
Man I've been trying to fix my old rifle for years now, I get it to work but next time it comes out of the safe there's always something not functioning. Mad respect you took on this job 😅
Had a couple bad experiences running carbide inserts and trying to skim off a hair. Running hard and heavy on material removal looked fantastic and then the last .010" skim absolutely destroyed it. The worst part was the owner, the foreman, and the shop lead scratching their heads over what was going on. My input wasn't requested so I didn't bother saying anything about how to fix it. Skimming with high speed steel is much easier so I haven't bothered with carbide for my personal stuff.
There's a major thunderstorm outside, I've got a bunch of metal bits to make tools to make things with, and I'm listening to a bloke repair a century old device. Lovely.
Got TWO 47 or 48 MFD caps in my stock? get out of jail cards, or rabbits in my hat? handy for STP's on gas stations, but now they are clutter as I retired. I LOVE IT!! This is Artistry, Engineering, and just good old-fashioned Determination with an Inquiring Mind!
Mark Novak a new upload ok with me I'm just doing the laundry so I've got some time to kill and I've always wondered about that device thanks for your taking us along with you down that rabbit hole .
Mark. Thank you. Splendid show case . Talent and class personified. I hope you've found time to instruct some apprentices. Not only in knowledgeable techniques. But also humorous demonstration. You are a class act. As are your supporting partners in prime (artisianship).
Mark, I hope you see this reply..... do a search here on you tube on how to remove rust from a firearm. It will make you sick to your stomach. Please make a video dedicated to this one topic. Don’t fill the video with any fluff about some exotic antique.. just make a video about BOILING IN WATER. If you’re brave enough you can see someone take sandpaper or use rust remover on great grandpa’s first gen SAA.
hmmm, I have my grandfathers all original Springfield 1903 Mark-I made in 1918 which still has all the original trigger components for the Pederson device... Sooooo Othais, any thoughts to Mark maybe whipping up a couple more improved reproduction of said Pederson devise??? ^~^
Outstanding Job Mark! Purely amazing how the right way to do things and the end results comes together. Those trained RATS can be issues a great deal of the Time. Thank you sir.
Hello Mark my name is Dan I'm a recent subscriber to your Channel and I enjoy watching yours and Bruno's videos they are a big help especially taking the old finish off and putting a new finish on I have a Lee-Enfield number 4 Mark 1 which I plan on scraping the old finish off and putting my new finish on thank you again for the tips and I appreciate your videos
Holy crap, how many of these are there in the wild, maybe fewer than ten? Read a lot about the Pedersen device over the years but thank you for allowing us to actually see one in operation for the first time. BTW, should that plunger you turned be heat treated?
Best not to harden it as it is a consumable in the scheme of things. Easier to make a new one then have to get inside and repair the face of that tube.
There's not more than a couple hundred that survived the destruction. I'd love to get a reproduction, if I find a complete M1903 Mk1. I expect that it'd cost me at least $5k to get made, though.
@@DirtyRobot while I think that was for the animation on the C&Rsenal video on the Pedersen Device, I will definitely chase them down to see about getting one made if/when I find a complete M1903Mk1!
Commend for engagement, your channel and C&Rsenal’s content shows such beautiful dedication and passion. I wish I wasn’t in destitute so I could support both of you guys.