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00:00 - The Start
00:57 - Design
01:31 - What Is Included?
02:00 - Price
02:59 - BIOS?
03:30 - Power Consumption
04:09 - Memory
04:50 - GeekBench Results
05:17 - M.2 NVMe SSD Gen and Speed
05:42 - Cooling
06:09 - Noise
06:45 - Ports and Connections
08:11 - What is OcuLink?
09:33 - Setup
11:19 - Read and Write Speeds
11:41 - Verdict and Conclusion
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@nascompares 20 дней назад

*FAQ* I reached out to Aoostar on some of the areas of this GEM10 Review that users frequently asked about with Mini PC-styled NAS devices, and Aoostar was able to provide the answers to the most recurring questions below Q - Why Does the Aoostar GEM10 not have ECC Memory? A - On the subject of ECC, currently 95% of the mini computers on the market don't support ECC memory, it's not that we don't want to get it that way, it's restricted by some part of the authority, so it leads to most of the mini computers on the market don't support ECC memory at the moment. However DDR5 does support on die ECC, which provide a similar level of data inconsistency protection. Q - Why is the Aoostar GEM10 at a maximum 32GB of memory when the CPU supports more? A - Unfortunately, there is no 64G of inlay RAM available at this scale and deployment, it's not that we don't want to do this configuration. If you want to use dual-channel DDR5 RAM like other models, then the size will be bigger, and it will not be able to meet the “mini size” we advertise. But the 32G RAM capacity is good enough for most uses Q - With so many configurations of the GEM10 and GEM12 series, how does a buyer avoid confusion on what they need? A - In view of your confusion about the configuration of the GEM10 series of CPUs, let me introduce you to the GEM10 series of CPUs: GEM10 AMD R7 6800H CPU (inlaid memory 32G); GEM10 AMD R7 7735H CPU (inlaid memory 16G, currently discontinued); GEM10 AMD R7 7840HS CPU (32G of inlay memory); GEM10 AMD R9 78940HS CPU (32G of inlay memory). The best price/performance ratio is the GEM10 6800H CPU, but as a company that puts a lot of money into R&D and seeks to produce cost-effective products, the GEM10 Intel N100 SKU (32G of inlaid memory) is already ready, but we are still testing it for the engineering machine, and it should be officially launched in a few months. Q - Why does the GEM10 use USB4 and not Thunderbolt4? A - About Thunderbolt and USB4 ports. As we all know, the Thunderbolt interface is Intel's project, so they produce their own mini-computers are equipped with the Thunderbolt interface. USB4 interface is more open, AMD does not have a proprietary interface of the project, and they, as a competitor to INTEL, want to get the authorization of the Thunderbolt interface is in fact very difficult, which is why the market is equipped with the AMD mini-computer are USB4 interface! . Our company will also launch the INTEL series of minicomputers next month, but I still don't know whether the project team will license these minicomputers with Thunderbolt interfaces or USB4 interfaces

@Beany2007FTW 20 дней назад

"However DDR5 does support on die ECC, which provide a similar level of data inconsistency protection." It absolutely does *not* provide comparable levels to a full ECC implementation. it only checks the data on the NAND packages and nowhere else (due to DDR5 being higher capacity/speed/tighter process nodes and being at higher risk of corruption by default) and makes it comparable to older non-ECC DDR standards from a memory corruption standpoint. To claim that it's comparable to a full ECC implementation - which can detected and correct errors between the NAND and the CPU memory controllers - is absolutely, completely and utterly wrong and should be classed as a huge red flag; if they're happy to not even quality check that response (and I bet they did, and I bet their marketing department signed off on it being presented as such...) then what else are they going to - and lets not mince our words here - lie about?

@Chris.Brisson 19 дней назад

@@Beany2007FTW aye, they are also being facetious about Thunderbolt being a closed, Intel-proprietary standard. What, if anything, can we believe from them?

@dohmarau 13 дней назад

@@Beany2007FTW Its a bit glib to be sure. AMD make many cpus that support ECC. This device is a good start, but a) needs 64gb min, b) that needs to be ecc, c) cpu needs more lanes to get better ssd support and d) needs 6x ssd's at a minimum

@nascompares 20 дней назад

I reached out to Aoostar on some of the areas of this GEM10 Review that users frequently asked about with Mini PC styled NAS devices, and Aoostar was able to provide the answers to the most recurring questions below Q - Why Does the Aoostar GEM10 not have ECC Memory? A - On the subject of ECC, currently 95% of the mini computers on the market don't support ECC memory, it's not that we don't want to get it that way, it's restricted by some part of the authority, so it leads to most of the mini computers on the market don't support ECC memory at the moment. However DDR5 does support on die ECC, which provide a similar level of data inconsistency protection. Q - Why is the Aoostar GEM10 at a maximum 32GB of memory when the CPU supports more? A - Unfortunately, there is no 64G of inlay RAM available at this scale and deployment, it's not that we don't want to do this configuration. If you want to use dual-channel DDR5 RAM like other models, then the size will be bigger, and it will not be able to meet the “mini size” we advertise. But the 32G RAM capacity is good enough for most uses Q - With so many configurations of the GEM10 and GEM12 series, how does a buyer avoid confusion on what they need? A - In view of your confusion about the configuration of the GEM10 series of CPUs, let me introduce you to the GEM10 series of CPUs: GEM10 AMD R7 6800H CPU (inlaid memory 32G); GEM10 AMD R7 7735H CPU (inlaid memory 16G, currently discontinued); GEM10 AMD R7 7840HS CPU (32G of inlay memory); GEM10 AMD R9 78940HS CPU (32G of inlay memory). The best price/performance ratio is the GEM10 6800H CPU, but as a company that puts a lot of money into R&D and seeks to produce cost-effective products, the GEM10 Intel N100 SKU (32G of inlaid memory) is already ready, but we are still testing it for the engineering machine, and it should be officially launched in a few months. Q - Why does the GEM10 use USB4 and not Thunderbolt4? A - About Thunderbolt and USB4 ports. As we all know, the Thunderbolt interface is Intel's project, so they produce their own mini-computers are equipped with the Thunderbolt interface. USB4 interface is more open, AMD does not have a proprietary interface of the project, and they, as a competitor to INTEL, want to get the authorization of the Thunderbolt interface is in fact very difficult, which is why the market is equipped with the AMD mini-computer are USB4 interface! . Our company will also launch the INTEL series of minicomputers next month, but I still don't know whether the project team will license these minicomputers with Thunderbolt interfaces or USB4 interfaces

@Bareego 19 дней назад

I think the N100 version is a good idea power and cost wise, but in that case I'd prolly go for their model with the hard disks for TB/$.

@Chris.Brisson 19 дней назад

@@Bareego keep in mind that N100 has very limited number of PCIe lanes, so you would not see three x4 NVMe SSDs; you would see only one; therefore, N100 is not suited for NAS applications.

@funkijote 21 день назад

I’m thinking oculink can be used to attach additional fast external storage. Oculink to SAS adapter (SFF-8611 to SFF-8087) attaches 4-bay/8-bay external SAS HDD/SSD enclosures at 6-12Gb/s speeds. These SAS HDD enclosures (from RocketStor, Sans Digital and Silverstone), sell on eBay for $200-600 (sometimes called SAS expanders/JBOD enclosures/RAID towers). I haven’t tested this yet, need to double check that no additional hardware is needed convert oculink to SAS.

@terryforsythe8083 21 день назад

Looks like a fantastic price/performance ratio. It is refreshing to see a NAS with that high of read and write speeds at that price point and with that small of a footprint. I may have missed it in the video, but does it support link aggregation? If so, that little unit has everything I want in a NAS.

@nascompares 21 день назад

H/w wise, it definitely does. But it'll be whether your NAS OS of choice supports it (I think I did mention this, but not sure). Cheers for watching bud

@choboutube 13 дней назад

I've been looking at this one for ages, seduced by the 3 M2 slots as well as oculink. If you use it as a NAS, I assume you won' tbe running windows on it?

@EViL3666 12 дней назад

Does this thing have USB4 with TB3 compatability?. This is one of the brands I'm keeping an eye on, I saw some mock-ups they threw out about 6 months ago, the boxes locked incredible, unfortunately they've still not come to market.

@tttomtxhc 20 дней назад

Would be interesting if the oculink could be used to add more storage

@theroboticscodedepot7736 21 день назад

This is a great find! It's comparable to the MINSFORUM Mini PC NAB9. The NAB9 has a SATA SSD instead of the two additional M.2 SSDs but it also has an i9 14 core - 20 thread processor and supports up to 64GB DDR4 ram at possible an even lower price - $500 US on Amazon.

@nascompares 21 день назад

Working on the Ms 01 from minisforum as we speak for a dedicated NAS vid. Also, do look at the CWWK Q670...it's kinda insane

@theroboticscodedepot7736 21 день назад

@@nascompares Thank you! I will check it out.

@zyghom 21 день назад

I am not happy with E-cores in Intel and I would not call them "real cores" ;-) IMHO AMD sounds better

@TF-ex1qo 20 дней назад

it does not suppport ram overclock to 6400-7500?

@Arneby 9 дней назад

Would it run Proxmox well?

@MrRakushin 20 дней назад

Unfortunately, memory that cannot be replaced is too big of a drawback for fault tolerance. There is no point in saving 30-50 bucks because someone decided to solder memory of unknown quality onto the board, supposedly for the sake of the device's size.

@kenyakking 18 дней назад

Would be a nice homelab box...wish it had 10G ethernet ports and two extra nvme slots (not enough lanes on those laptop cpus) but not a bad design overall.

@marcusavanti902 21 день назад

Where are the Thunderbolt 5 DAS NVME quads ? When will they be coming with 80-120 Gbs PCIE Gen 5.

@robertlee6338 3 дня назад

Why few pcie3 nvme will saturate 10gbe

@fred6464 21 день назад

I thought USB4 was a superset standard and includes Thunderbolt 4? Are you sure it does not support Thunderbolt?

@theroboticscodedepot7736 21 день назад

A quick Google search: Yes, USB4 is compatible with Thunderbolt 4. Thunderbolt 4 uses the oval-shaped USB-C connector type, which is compatible with USB4. Thunderbolt 4 is also downwards compatible to Thunderbolt 3 and even USB 4 and lower.

@ericdomazlicky6413 17 дней назад

I don't think all USB4 devices have to support Thunderbolt 3 devices though, that's not part of the spec. Typical USB for you...

@radekrat1 2 дня назад

I have owned the GEM12 7840hs variant fore a bit now and must say it is completely silent hence. Having compared it with at least 10 different models of mini PCs including misinform um790 - AOOSTAR performs the best in this area. I use it for my overnight downloads now and purchased the 8845hs variant as well, yet to be tested. The USB4 does support thunderbolt 3/4 and when tested with eGPU compared with all of the other models - bandwidth is pretty much the same. Not tested with external storage. I would definitely recommend GEM12 to anyone. GEM10 - cannot comment. I cannot comment on NAS use but as a daily driver - perfect

@user-uk4se5jp1s 20 дней назад

They need to rename this to the GEM2.5 or GEM5ish at best. It is all well and good having the lanes on the NVMe but if you can't get the data in and out, it is a little n 'n'AS at best.

@monochrome5297 21 день назад

Intressing lil nas like device, but no 10gbe? Or atleast sfp ?but can carry 4x4 nvme ? The eth ports are the drawback for me personally, and yes price per nvme gb and being it amd is not the thing it should arrive with , its bottlenecking itself

@udirt 21 день назад

It will be fun if you need a lot of iops.

@stargeezer8427 21 день назад

Seriously..... Where's the product link?

@indiekiduk 21 день назад

wondering the same

@zyghom 21 день назад

the biggest limitation of nvme NAS is max capacity and of course still price per GB.

@Chris.Brisson 19 дней назад

"Network" Attached Storage file transfer rates are limited by LAN connection speeds. Neither the 2.5G LAN nor the WiFi 6 will transfer files at a speed that challenges the ability of SATA SSDs to read/write; PCIe gen 4x4 SSDs are a waste here. NAS is a silly application for this box. "Direct" Attached Storage (DAS), however, makes more sense if one could employ a USB4 to USB4 connection to transfer files. I'd love to see @NASCompares demonstrate this DAS capability.

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 18 дней назад

@@Chris.Brissonas 10gbe gains traction, wifi 6e and 7 as well, and some people switching to 25gbe even, nvme nas becomes quite a sensible option

@tim3172 17 дней назад

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul Are people who are using 10gbe and 25Gbe really the target audience of small, cheap NAS devices with limited CPU power and memory? (WiFi 7 barely breaks gigabit speed beyond 30 or so feet with clear LOS and 6E is slightly slower across the board.)

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 17 дней назад

@@tim3172 yes. Enthusiasts can have it as a secondary/tertiary NAS, for example.

@Locationary 20 дней назад

Not a bad build, and could be extended with a DAS.

@Raintiger88 20 дней назад

The only thing I'd be using with occulink is NVME drives. This is a NAS, right? Why the heck would GPUs be the first thing you talk about? Still don't know if that's a 4i or 8i. All of these designs come close, but miss the mark. Maybe next year, I'll get the design I'm looking for.

@user-pq4js7rv8w 19 дней назад

This PC wasn't built to be an NAS, it just has the capability. Most people are getting this for gaming and/or productivity

@Bareego 19 дней назад

I feel they couldn't quite decide if they wanted to make a fast NAS or a gaming mini computer. For NAS they should have invested more into the data transport between SSDs and NICs and less into the CPU. Bet it would run just fine with a 5700U or such. If you'd want to use it as a gaming system some of the higher CPUs they have on offer are pretty kickass, combined with the oculink and doing a striped SSD array it would really kick butt.

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 18 дней назад

Nah, they just have some "Lego bricks" and mash them together randomly, offering it, and looking what goes

@keithmiller9665 21 день назад

Thanks. With a n100 CPU I would be very interested, but the current AMD CPU that does not benefit from Intel's QuickSync - particularly AV1 is a no sale.

@Chris.Brisson 18 дней назад

It looks like Intel N100 offers a total of 9 lanes of PCIe, and those lanes are Gen 3, not Gen 4.

@indiekiduk 21 день назад

2:45 for specs. Fyi you linked to the wrong product article.

@nascompares 20 дней назад

Sadly, yes. The written review almost complete (here www.google.com/amp/s/nascompares.com/2024/05/17/aoostar-gem10-ssd-nas-review/amp/ ) and the GEM10 will be listed on more shop soon apparently

@zxrenew5642 20 дней назад

Could you not just stick a PCI-e x 16 Bifurcation board in your PC and get 4x4x4x4. Then no need for the extra expense?

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 18 дней назад

Given you have an mb that supports that.

@christopherhunt147 11 дней назад

Almost what I am looking for.. Just missing 1 more ssd and 10gb ethernet. Soooo close lol.

@iamamish 20 дней назад

I can see a mini PC like this having a ton of valuable uses, but one use that doesn't make sense to me is using it as a NAS. If you're building a NAS with rotational media, then you're using it for slow/archival storage. If you're using it with NVME storage, then your goal is to build something that lets you read/write data at terrifying speeds. These types of NVME units make sense for content creators, who want an area to store large files for video creation. The problem here is that you're limited to 2..5 gig network speeds. At those speeds (effectively about 250 MB/sec), you're nowhere close to the NVME speeds. So, you're leaving all of the wonderful NVME performance essentially unused. I suppose you could use the USB 4 port instead, but now it is less of a NAS and more just externally connected storage. If you're going that route, there are probably better options available. I'm not sure what the latest Ryzen Plex transcoding options are - historically Ryzen hardware transcoding wasn't well supported though I think that's changing. IF the transcoding options are there, I could see using this as a Plex server, and backing it with rotational media storage in a separate NAS.

@FieldingSmith 21 день назад

Hopefully all these companies will force Synology to up their game.

@makatron 21 день назад

Yeah they've been selling underwhelming hardware for years.

@hicapengrs 21 день назад

If these companies keep upping the hardware while leaving them open for 3rd party OS', who cares what Synology does. DSM is a toy compared to available open source enterprise solutions.

@udirt 21 день назад

You'll know when Synology hires their first embedded Linux devs and makes it boot into a ram disk so it can answer wol requests before disks spun up.

@grzesiop58 21 день назад

intel nics?

@tim3172 17 дней назад

If you can manage to pay attention until 2:16, you'll see "Intel 226V 2.5GB x2".

@tolpacourt 18 дней назад

Without ECC RAM, you should not use ZFS. You could do other RAID tech but ZFS is not a good idea without ECC.

@DG8RS 21 день назад

But can it run Plex? LOL, I had to ask since I didn't want to cry about how much I just spent last month on an Asustor Flashstor6 and 6x2TB Samsung NVME's.

@rael_gc 20 дней назад

Last time I've checked, you need to pay a license for Plex and paste it in the Flashstor adm.

@DG8RS 20 дней назад

@@rael_gc yeah I bought a lifetime subscription for the Asustor. I was wondering if this nvme unit he reviewed supported it. It’s a big plug for a lot of home NAS users. The specs seem insane, so I’d love to know if you can install/sideload it 👍🏻

@marcogenovesi8570 19 дней назад

Yeah it's a PC, you can install docker and then load a Plex docker container like in any other PC. But it does not come with a GUI and apps you can install like a NAS so you need to know/learn things to use this. If you just want something that is easy to setup and use, stick with the FlashStor

@BoraHorzaGobuchul 18 дней назад

With no quicksync transcoding will prob suck

@rael_gc 18 дней назад

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul Quicksync is a Intel brand for video AV1 encoding/decoding support. AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS has AV1 encoding/decoding.

@werecow68 21 день назад

9 million links in the description, none of which are to the product being reviewed LOL!

@nascompares 20 дней назад

Unfortunately, it's still limited availability (region dependant). That said, I added some to the written review www.google.com/amp/s/nascompares.com/2024/05/17/aoostar-gem10-ssd-nas-review/amp/

@werecow68 20 дней назад

@@nascompares Thanks Robbie!

@mauricechong809 20 дней назад

These mini NAS seems to be a good way forward but here is what I would like to see: Make it slightly bigger, up to about the size of a 1L mini PC square but slightly taller and have 6x nvme x2 pcie 4 on it with 2 2.5 Gbit ethernet on it and sodimm slots or 64 gb of soldered ram at least. Also add 2x sata ports on it for OS, or the capability to use sata drive in the micro form factor box. The reason for that is 4 drives can be a bit too limiting once you put in redundancy for storage so more slots is good, especially when nvme drives can be quiete expensive if you opt for 8tb drives right now. If it could just house a bit more drive while being slightly bigger maybe about twice the size, a lot more people could decide to build on these boxes instead of using regular nas at home with noisy drives.

@tim3172 17 дней назад

Asustor Flashstor is what you're looking for. "Make the intentionally-small device bigger." Golly gee, why didn't we think of that?

@nadtz 21 день назад

I'd love for one of these vendors to make an Epyc embedded solution, I'd take the higher power usage and larger size for all those PCIE lanes. This is an interesting little device but for the money I think I'd go with the Flashstor 12 for a NAS. Might make an interesting option for a small low power proxmox server but the MS 01 doesn't cost that much more (if you buy it from their website) and offers more expandability. Still an interesting option with pretty good hardware, gotta say these mini pc vendors have been stepping up their game, just wish more of these devices came with 10gbe, a lot of these systems are bottlenecked by 2.5gbe.

@christianhorn1999 21 день назад

100th like

@HwSystems 21 день назад

I do not understand what's the point with such crappy network adapter. Nobody access a NAS by USB. At this point your better go with Asustor. Even their 10G adapter is saturated and it is x1.

@mredizon00 21 день назад

1st

@norgtube 21 день назад

No 10GBE no thank you.

@Galmok18 21 день назад

Idle consumption of 11 watts is still too much.

@knofi7052 21 день назад

...not with 3 m.2 nvme gen4!

@majicdude88 21 день назад

AGAIN. ALL DDR5 MEMORY IS ECC. ECC capability is built onto the RAM itself and not the CPU like in the past. A CPU supporting it, is irrelevant in 2024 as every DDR5 capable CPU automatically supports ECC. RAM being ECC isn’t a concern anymore.

@nascompares 21 день назад

On die ECC on DDR5/LPDDR5 is not strictly the same and leaves vulnerable on the CPU side.On die ECC only protects the data when it's in the caches, but if inconsistencies/error are created outside the cpu, it can do nothing. (And yes you will need that external memory extra chip to hold the redundant memory bits for ECC to be able to detect/correct external memory errors no matter what. There's no way for the CPU to keep track what each location should have been otherwise.) Ent. Grade CPUs already protect their on chip caches with ECC (we are talking hyper scale of course) or at least parity, but may have external memory ECC protection disabled for "consumer" devices and or those SoCs. Hence why DDR5 ECC STILL EXISTS www.kingston.com/unitedkingdom/en/memory/server-premier/ddr5-4800mts-ecc-unbuffered-dimm DDR5 does have some ECC (error correction code) capabilities, which allows it to detect and fix single-bit memory errors. This feature is known as Built-in Data Checking. However, this is not the same as traditional ECC memory (with it's extra data correction chip on the memory pcb). Traditional ECC memory not only detects and fixes errors, but also ensures complete data integrity at all levels. It protects data when it is in the memory cell and during transmission to the CPU or GPU

@udirt 20 дней назад

How would that in transfer protection work, afaik that is not a thing at all. I.e. pci transfer error detection is not in any way enabled by using ECC memory and it is off very often, and depends on an OS to look for the detections errors. Linux usually doesn't. The only end to end mechanism I've seen is SCSI T10 protection, which exists on midrange and better enterprise devices. That's typically the area where homemade systems roll over and admit defeat. Cache ECC on the other hand is something that AMD had added even to consumer cpus and enterprise systems had for more than 20 years.

@udirt 20 дней назад

Does the internal protection have anything the systems memory controller can use to be aware of faulty cells?

@Beany2007FTW 20 дней назад

@@nascompares To be more clear, on die ECC on the NAND on RAM in DDR5 isn't there out of the goodness of JEDECs heart to make it better for everyone - it's there because without it DDR5 just wouldn't work due to the higher capacities and higher speeds being inherently more at risk of bit flipping and corruption. All DDR5 on die ECC does is make it comparable to DDR4 from a risk-of-on-die corruption standpoint. On die ECC is a *requirement* of the JEDEC spec. It does literally nothing outside of the NAND device itself (not even between NAND packages on the same DIMM AFAIK) so from an error correction and control standpoint, a DDR5 DIMM with on die ECC is functionally no better than an unstressed DDR4 DIMM - and if any manufacturer claims otherwise, they literally don't know what they're talking about. And further to that, if they try to sell it as even remotely *comparable* to full ECC, that should be an *immediate, major* red flag and they should be utterly lambasted for it - for, you know, barefaced lying.

@marcogenovesi8570 19 дней назад

Wrong, DDR5's on-die ECC only protects the data at rest inside each chip from single bit flips, but not while in transit to/from CPU, and also does not provide any logging of errors, either single bit flips or multiple bit flips, unlike normal ECC. On-die ECC is better than nothing, but it's not the real thing