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APFSDS vs ERA | M1IP ABRAMS vs T-62 + Explosive Reactive Armour | M833 Armour Penetration Simulation 

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Heavy Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) is effective againt kinetic projectiles as well as shaped charge warheads, with the simulation presenting an M833 APFSDS projectile impacting a heavy ERA package on the T-62's upper glacis.
This simulation is to demonstrate the improved material model for Depleted Uranium (DU), which now accounts for brittle fracture under transverse loading. While the materials used for Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilised Discarding-Sabot (APFSDS) projectiles are relatively tough, under transverse loading there is a tendency for them to fracture. ERA is designed to impart this type of load on long-rod penetrators, so it is essential to account for the brittle fracture behaviour when simulating APFSDS projectiles against ERA.
The ERA shown in the simulation is similar to Russian 'Relikt', however the amount of explosive sandwiched between the flyer plates has been increased, with a rather long detonation delay as well. These choices were made to maximise the transverse loading on the penetrator, making the points of brittle fracture more evident to the viewer. This is the reason 'Relikt' is not specifically mentioned.
To maximise computational efficiency, the explosive is not simulated explicitly, with a variable pressure load based on the Gurney and Flis equations for symmetric plates being used instead.
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@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 4 месяца назад
To clarify, while this is very similar to a T-62 with Relikt, it is just to demonstrate the improved DU material model which includes brittle fracture. Please see the description for more details :)
@asrolsiti
@asrolsiti 4 месяца назад
What software did you use for this video?
@azothemtcplayer
@azothemtcplayer 4 месяца назад
SY could you do the sim but with the era with a better angle as I feel like that would nonpen
@VulcanCannon_
@VulcanCannon_ 4 месяца назад
This shows how powerful era can be considering that it almost stopped the round and T-62's ufp is only raw rha
@rodrigovaccari7547
@rodrigovaccari7547 4 месяца назад
It literally penetrated. How did the ERA "almost stop" the round when the armor plate has a whole in it and a corpse behind it?
@manofconstantgold
@manofconstantgold 4 месяца назад
@@rodrigovaccari7547 Simulations don't involve corpses. Nonetheless, if modern ERA can remove that much mass & energy from a projectile that's 20 years more advanced than it's otherwise unmodified target, I'd say its effectiveness has been more than demonstrated. A target with better underlying armour, even something like a T-72M, would have been fine.
@rapter229
@rapter229 4 месяца назад
@manofconstantgold that ignores that the projectile in the video is a very old model and was designed before ERA was considered an issue. Modern APFSDS in the west has been engineered to defeat ERA.
@manofconstantgold
@manofconstantgold 4 месяца назад
@@rapter229 Original comment I replied to said nothing about modern ERA or ammo.The simulation demonstrates it’s capabilities are not imaginary, and nothing more. M833 was made in 1983 for the 105mm M68 so not exactly “very old” though tbf the 105 is essentially obsolete anyway. You say “modern APFSDS in the west” which round are you referring to? DM63? M829A4? L27A1? Penetrator capability can only go so far to resist ERA as you must increase the rigidity (and therefore thickness) to resist the lateral stress of the explosive. Eventually penetration power is compromised.
@rodrigovaccari7547
@rodrigovaccari7547 4 месяца назад
@@manofconstantgold Im struggling to understand whats the relevance of these informations. Im talking about the content in the video and so is OP, not another context. The ERA was clearly not nearly enough to protect the tank which still got penetrated anyways.
@joshuasutherland6692
@joshuasutherland6692 4 месяца назад
Really went from APFSDS to aPfSdS
@chriskortan1530
@chriskortan1530 4 месяца назад
I'm not sure why some are commenting that it stopped it. The remaining penetrator tip clearly breached the armor and would have continued on to be absorbed by the driver's head or damage something else.
@huntermad5668
@huntermad5668 4 месяца назад
T-62 is old tank, not contemporary to M1. Its armor is not that better older T-54/55 but it is almost enough to defeat the 105mm sabot which likely not around when T-62 had big presence in Soviet Tank forces. Essentially 80s around against several decades old tank T-72 with heavy ERA when test after the Cold War was found to be able to defend quite effectively against anti tank rounds of 120mm of that era so it led to a rush to develope new APFSDS to defeat that combo.
@chickenchicken8097
@chickenchicken8097 4 месяца назад
im not sure how ur so proud when comparing a modern tank to a 1960s tank
@huntermad5668
@huntermad5668 4 месяца назад
Not really modern, a late 80-early 90 Abram is the first gen before they switched to 120mm
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 4 месяца назад
​@@chickenchicken8097where is he expressing pride of any kind? He simply stated he is confused that some people are saying the projectile was stopped and it clearly was not stopped....
@arwood111
@arwood111 4 месяца назад
I think this simply illustrates the effectiveness and possibility of damage vs mission kill vs destruction. A small piece penetrated but it may be comparable to firing a single round into the tank interior vs dropping a hand grenade
@HANGING_SILVER
@HANGING_SILVER 4 месяца назад
Can you simulate a LOSAT missle hitting a plate with and without ERA
@tfk_001
@tfk_001 4 месяца назад
I want to see LOSAT simulations in general. Such a stupid (in the good way) munition
@sangomasmith
@sangomasmith 4 месяца назад
I'm glad to see that this simulation agrees with the tests, at least in as much as it is the rear flyer plate which really provides the shearing effect.
@deltab9768
@deltab9768 2 месяца назад
This was the best demonstration I have ever seen of ERA. Now I understand how it works, especially against H.E.A.T.
@tokencivilian8507
@tokencivilian8507 4 месяца назад
Great explanation of the physics/ mechanics of how ERA can work against APFSDS rounds. The mechanism was never clear to me before this. Transverse shear distorting or fracturing the rod so it hits over a larger area.
@ErichHartmann-li5dp
@ErichHartmann-li5dp 4 месяца назад
please do more non penetrations on your channel, you have so many videos where shells penetrate but not enough where they don't, i think it would help people understand armor better. love your videos
@sergarlantyrell7847
@sergarlantyrell7847 4 месяца назад
Would be interesting to see the effect of obliquity of the ERA tiles. Eg have the plates at 0°, 30° & 60° mounted in front of the same T-62 upper glacis and observe the difference.
@mrpigeonalt4371
@mrpigeonalt4371 4 месяца назад
So i tried to make a simple simulation and my god new respect for your channel im guessing its like second nature by now but wow its a steep learning curve
@simonjeonghwangbo7864
@simonjeonghwangbo7864 4 месяца назад
Ty for awesome content ! Would like to see 5 to 8 round burst of 20mm 25mm or 30mm from modern AFV hitting upper glacis of MBT
@boomchacle6717
@boomchacle6717 3 месяца назад
Do you model the detonation velocity of the exploding material btw?
@JarateHunter
@JarateHunter 4 месяца назад
Any chance you have a simulation of how the arrowhead armor on Leo 2s work vs APFSDS?
@treloaria4295
@treloaria4295 4 месяца назад
That would be really cool
@RichelieuUnlimited
@RichelieuUnlimited 4 месяца назад
Despite rumors to the contrary the arrowhead isn’t empty so unless anyone can provide at least somewhat accurate information on the composition and dimensions I doubt it. It might however be interesting to test the Leopard 2 UFP (20mm HHA + slightly explosive rubber + 20mm HHA + 45mm RHA at 82 degrees) or to test how an angled NERA plate would impact the trajectory and integrity of an APFSDS projectile.
@philneal3750
@philneal3750 4 месяца назад
@@RichelieuUnlimited there are images of the wedges insides and they are mostly hollow. It literally took me a minute on google to find the images.
@xendk
@xendk 4 месяца назад
@@RichelieuUnlimited It is empty. there are pictures on the net of them and i have seen the Danish ones. on and off the tanks. They are empty. the only thing is some thick structural support plates
@RichelieuUnlimited
@RichelieuUnlimited 4 месяца назад
@@philneal3750 To my knowledge *there are several plates of composite mounted in the arrowheads in such a way that they can move in response to incoming projectiles. These plates might consist of steels, rubber or ceramics and are meant to destabilize and damage incoming projectiles. So the arrowheads might be mostly filled with air, but they‘re not empty. Whatever’s mounted inside is likely removed for presentations and photos. You wouldn’t see anyone else just publish the exact details of ones in use armor scheme.
@miglol9279
@miglol9279 4 месяца назад
what software do u use
@elusive6119
@elusive6119 4 месяца назад
It is clearly seen that it is rational to increase the distance from the epa module to the main armor and add a damper, it is possible to increase the thickness of the plates... A heavier epa unit is needed. It is possible to introduce pre-initiation ...
@darkninjacorporation
@darkninjacorporation 3 месяца назад
Damn, it’s like creating spaced armor that *chases* the projectile
@acr_master5594
@acr_master5594 4 месяца назад
Im gonna go out on a limb again and ask if you can simulate the same relikt ERA on the upper front plate of an object 279, projectile can be something modern such as dm53 or m829a3.
@realdragon
@realdragon 4 месяца назад
You're sitting in tank Suddenly you hear explosion and there's dent in armour above your head
@o-hogameplay185
@o-hogameplay185 4 месяца назад
it did penetrate. anything behind that plate is not going to think what happened, because he would have some holes in his body.
@Redfvvg
@Redfvvg 4 месяца назад
@@o-hogameplay185 The tip speed is likely to be less than at the exit of the muzzle. So there is a chance to stay alive.
@PAcifisti
@PAcifisti 4 месяца назад
@@Redfvvg It still looks to be going at faster than grenade fragment, plus whatever else spall is kicked off. Depending on where exactly on the armor it hits this will be a bad day for the driver.
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 4 месяца назад
​@@Redfvvgthat is like saying getting shot from a rifle at 1Km is a higher chance to survive because the round is traveling slower by that time. You are absolutely still getting perforated
@Redfvvg
@Redfvvg 4 месяца назад
@@dominuslogik484 There is a significant difference between a delicate human body and thick armor.
@IntoTheVoid1981
@IntoTheVoid1981 3 месяца назад
Nice simulations. Thank you. I think I have never seen penetration simulations of air dropped bombs, rockets, or naval guns against battleships or aircraft carriers. I know it is a huge topic, but maybe...
@AdamnAmerican
@AdamnAmerican 3 месяца назад
What software do you use? I wanna try stuff like this.
@bigboi2984
@bigboi2984 4 месяца назад
Would love to see an RPG-29 or Kornet ATGM simulation on an Abrams frontal armor
@Kasian02
@Kasian02 4 месяца назад
Can you make ERA simulation but with depleted uranium or tungsten flyer plates of the same weight and compare to regular steel plates?
@Treblaine
@Treblaine 4 месяца назад
Tungsten plates! $$$$
@foxraspytxm639
@foxraspytxm639 4 месяца назад
Can we get a heatfs vs close spaced armor like the one on the super Pershing?
@akriegguardsman
@akriegguardsman 4 месяца назад
Can you do a heat round that spins vs not spinning
@dj1NM3
@dj1NM3 4 месяца назад
Although, even this set-up doesn't entirely stop the crew having a bad day, as we can see the penetrator still makes it through (even if "only just") and woud be followed by a shower of hot metal splinters.
@Jay121
@Jay121 4 месяца назад
Weight becomes the determining factor
@luisgarces1382
@luisgarces1382 4 месяца назад
Can you do 3bm60 vs merkava mk4 turret and upper front plate?
@HSSdk
@HSSdk 3 месяца назад
Suggestion: Kontakt-1 vs BMP-2. Will ERA mounted to light armour damage it on detonation, and be a threat to the vehicle? Ideally any ERA casing and mountings will be included, for their potential effect on the flyer plates.
@falloszaurus695
@falloszaurus695 3 месяца назад
Could you do a jagtiger 128 vs t72 but the jagtigers apcbc is made out of depleted uranium?
@ivansenpaid9486
@ivansenpaid9486 4 месяца назад
Could please do a Duplet (tamdem explosive reactive armor ) simulation .Please.
@goodva3027
@goodva3027 4 месяца назад
i'd love to see a simulation of, say, konkurs-m against leopard 2a5 turret, i have a feeling that the result might be intresting
@AlexSimkus-hw5oc
@AlexSimkus-hw5oc 3 месяца назад
is there a website to simulate the stuff
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 4 месяца назад
What if we stack the module, with maybe 1.5 module thickness spacing between the front and the back module. Then by extension, how about the polish era with ceramic fly plate and rather interesting construction.
@stephenallen4635
@stephenallen4635 4 месяца назад
then it costs more than twice as much
@HEAVYgamer6521
@HEAVYgamer6521 4 месяца назад
I hope everyone understands that this is at 2500 meters from a 105mm round from the early 80s. Relkit from this simulation would be providing ~190mm flat pen equivalent of protection. Or ~225mm LOS protection at 60 from this set up. Against M833
@ambercvm5
@ambercvm5 4 месяца назад
Just curious, what simulation software do you use?
@DifferentialRayden455
@DifferentialRayden455 4 месяца назад
yeah id love to know that
@sahrib3901
@sahrib3901 4 месяца назад
any chance you can share your RHA material
@owenmcgrath3696
@owenmcgrath3696 4 месяца назад
Can you do a simulation of Mallet's Mortar on a modern MBT?
@Putter_WoT_Blitz
@Putter_WoT_Blitz 4 месяца назад
@SYsimulations how can i download the software that you used ?
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 4 месяца назад
It's ANSYS.
@chickenchicken8097
@chickenchicken8097 4 месяца назад
@@rare_kumiko you can only use it on pc
@197205den
@197205den 3 месяца назад
Надо снять следующий раз Абрамс против Т-26 с ERA
@CR-sj7xd
@CR-sj7xd 3 месяца назад
Shahed drone vs Abrams, please
@ivan5595
@ivan5595 4 месяца назад
Ivan sacrificed his life for his crews. Respect.
@stephenallen4635
@stephenallen4635 4 месяца назад
the plug that went in and the spall was still going over 200m/s
@nehalemxtv5331
@nehalemxtv5331 4 месяца назад
Main question is time when ERA detonated. Too fast or slow and effect on projectile will be small
@BobbyB1928
@BobbyB1928 4 месяца назад
Still created lethal spalling even with K5
@ukuskota4106
@ukuskota4106 4 месяца назад
What if upper plate will have added pieces of steel on it? Like Belarus T-72bm2
@dominuslogik484
@dominuslogik484 4 месяца назад
Well it was a t-62 in this simulation so the t-72 would have survived in the same situation using the same explosive reactive armor. As for if you added a bit of extra steel onto the T-62 in this situation underneath the ERA there is a chance an extra 25mm could have saved it
@randonamedboosh
@randonamedboosh 4 месяца назад
DO APFDSDS VS WINDOW THEN COMPARE TO ROK VS WINDOW
@a.t6066
@a.t6066 4 месяца назад
Can you do a video on hesh vs he?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 4 месяца назад
Yeah one day potentially; I haven't done HESH in this software yet :)
@antimatter4733
@antimatter4733 4 месяца назад
I feel like the ERA was way too close to the plate here. If it was another 10cm away it might have not penetrated
@user-bw7nk2lm1x
@user-bw7nk2lm1x 4 месяца назад
Всё как и говорили в НИИ Стали.Реликт уменьшает пробитие подкалиберного снаряда 200 мм
@I_am_looking_for_GF
@I_am_looking_for_GF 4 месяца назад
Does it stack?
@stephenallen4635
@stephenallen4635 4 месяца назад
some do, but that makes them over twice as expensive and the underlying armour has to be thicker to withstand the extra era blowing up
@ladedk
@ladedk 4 месяца назад
Do AP rounds set off ERA??
@stephenallen4635
@stephenallen4635 4 месяца назад
yes
@ronstermaglee7355
@ronstermaglee7355 4 месяца назад
Ammo rack explosion simulation for next video 👇
@xxcabalxx2369
@xxcabalxx2369 4 месяца назад
which heavy-ERA is this example based upon?
@user-mb2tu1lu8e
@user-mb2tu1lu8e 4 месяца назад
Реликт или Каркас
@user-yb8qx2rp9u
@user-yb8qx2rp9u 4 месяца назад
​@@user-mb2tu1lu8eРеликт срабатывает раньше. Расчет неправильный. Кактус можно оценить но нет его характеристик.
@thezig2078
@thezig2078 4 месяца назад
Relikt
@rare_kumiko
@rare_kumiko 4 месяца назад
Relikt, as evidenced by the double flier plate.
@levilastun829
@levilastun829 4 месяца назад
I recommend you read the description of this video. In short it is based on the Relikt ERA, but it has been upgraded in this simulation
@tankenjoyer9175
@tankenjoyer9175 3 месяца назад
mfs on comments trying to negate the fact that it reduced alot of the damage in a soviet era tank that not even has composite armour.
@ErichHartmann-li5dp
@ErichHartmann-li5dp 4 месяца назад
i wonder what HESH would do against ERA
@Gracefulwarrior2124
@Gracefulwarrior2124 4 месяца назад
It would detonate the era, and maybe even others around it
@AlgerianAce
@AlgerianAce 2 месяца назад
Hi SY Simulations, I recently conducted a comparison between War Thunder and real-life footage to assess the accuracy of the game. Regrettably, I used your footage without prior permission. I'm reaching out now to request your authorization to continue using your footage for this purpose. I understand the importance of respecting intellectual property rights and I am committed to rectifying my oversight. Thanks, I look forward to your response. Algerian_Ace
@KekusMagnus
@KekusMagnus 4 месяца назад
damn, i did not expect a T-62 to stop that, ERA or not
@xendk
@xendk 4 месяца назад
It did not stop that.
@spycrab421
@spycrab421 4 месяца назад
It went through, and the velocity plot shows that the chunk of sabot that remained intact is still going over 170 meters per second, nevermind the shrapnel and spalling which were going faster still. That's still gonna kill crew members and absolutely disable the tank.
@trentjohn4588
@trentjohn4588 4 месяца назад
ERA could be effective, if the soldiers keep it on the tank an not sell it off.
@isaachudsondagreat8695
@isaachudsondagreat8695 3 месяца назад
I thought APFSDS rounds had more penetration then that
@LongNguyenVan-no1cm
@LongNguyenVan-no1cm Месяц назад
And someone’s still think that era useless
@Edward-jf6sn
@Edward-jf6sn 4 месяца назад
А можно вовремя подрывать ДЗ?
@ukuskota4106
@ukuskota4106 4 месяца назад
возьми и сделай как тебе надо. вы русскоязычные душнилы достали уже со своими советами и "это не так, то не так", хотя сами тупы настолько что не можете понять что ЭДЗ не сразу раздвигает пластины а сначала инициируется, потом оно разлетается потом нагнетается достаточно давления в полости, и только после достаточного давления крышки срывает со сварки. не нравится - бери программу и делай.
@user-pz7qg2oc1g
@user-pz7qg2oc1g 4 месяца назад
А почему урановый наконечник "испарился" о фольгу динамической защиты до её детонации? Или она что, на этой модели из вибраниума или АР500 сделана?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 4 месяца назад
The black bit? Thats a thin ballistic cap which isnt uranium and is purely for aerodynamics. It doesnt contribute to penetration.
@josephd.5524
@josephd.5524 4 месяца назад
The driver would be needing some new pants for sure, but he'll probably get out alive.
@T_al_le_R
@T_al_le_R 4 месяца назад
Скорее всего нет. Пробитие было. Осколками убьёт
@xendk
@xendk 4 месяца назад
No he is dead as dead can be. Remember this is sloooooooow motion, That small ball that penetrate is going to kill
@ultravioletsus
@ultravioletsus 4 месяца назад
He's dead 😢
@ifarded4986
@ifarded4986 4 месяца назад
The whole idea of ERA sounds so dumb on paper. Like what scientist was like hey, lets make armor that, wait for it....BLOWS UP when it gets hit!
@SmolOperator
@SmolOperator 4 месяца назад
Bro got annoyed with GHPC
@Putter_WoT_Blitz
@Putter_WoT_Blitz 4 месяца назад
.
@elongated_musket6353
@elongated_musket6353 4 месяца назад
I didn't actually expect it stop it. The spirit of Stalin is strong with this one.
@funtimewithhuskyman5601
@funtimewithhuskyman5601 4 месяца назад
It penetrated
@Mechanized85
@Mechanized85 4 месяца назад
I did expect that would stop, it's somehow are seems to be got through, But never mind with it, always remember the survivability onion rule, Don't be there, Don't be detected/spotted, Don't be identified, don't be acquired, Do not be hit, Do not be get penetrated, Do not be get wounded or killed.
@jimboblordofeskimos
@jimboblordofeskimos 4 месяца назад
The ugly part is it didnt really, whatever is on the other side of that armour has been very violently sprayed with bits of that armour.
@MM-qz3eh
@MM-qz3eh 4 месяца назад
era is only effective if the blocks are filled with explosives, we're learning this thanks to the russian army
@mrj4990
@mrj4990 4 месяца назад
You must do one on Lancet vs Abrams. Two already got smoked by them in Ukraine
@xendk
@xendk 4 месяца назад
I heard that they smoked 1500 Abrams already, with hand grenades
@jintsuubest9331
@jintsuubest9331 4 месяца назад
Lancet already smoked literally thousands of afv. He already do more than plenty efp sim. There is no easy to do scj sim, but I hope it is obvious why one does not need a simulation to understand why rpg round to the roof of a vehicle is bad news.
@mrj4990
@mrj4990 4 месяца назад
@@xendk Cope harder, I'm just stating facts about the Abrams specifically.
@user-sy9kd3co7m
@user-sy9kd3co7m 4 месяца назад
Да, это правда. На Украине уже минимум 2 абрамса уничтожено. В интернете есть видео поражения.
@mostafamohy8494
@mostafamohy8494 4 месяца назад
we dont have a certified number of the lancet penteration in RHA we might be to guess a number depending on the explosive amount and the width and length of the warhead but we need the dimension first, there are olny reddit nubmers of biased and non comfired sources
@Erik-pt2yw
@Erik-pt2yw Месяц назад
this is kinda pointless, if u are making an "adjustments" to an armor or round so mention in the video what it is and for what reasons, but in this case u have ABRAMS and T-62 big worded in the title. So what the fuck am I looking at? It is not an abrams round and not a t62 armor either, but u are making it seems like it is, that's why people down below are arguing with one another. Please make the descriptions in the video itself a lot clearer, not in the comments
@Redfvvg
@Redfvvg 4 месяца назад
This hardly simulates complex hydrodynamic processes in the form of expanding gases (between two plates) in thousands of atmospheres.
@stephenallen4635
@stephenallen4635 4 месяца назад
are you just grasping at straws to say it should have stopped it?
@Redfvvg
@Redfvvg 4 месяца назад
@@stephenallen4635 I just want to say that science begins where measurements begin. All factors must be taken into account, or all these videos become ridiculous. Neither you nor I know how this can affect. Rough estimates - here is a shameless desire to pass off your fantasies as reality.
@dankdaze42069
@dankdaze42069 4 месяца назад
Which they make a heavy duty Abrams that's literally just meant to be untouchable from all sides just to see what America can do and to shut up people who dare to pretend like we don't have the best stuff possible We just decide not to make it people forget that fact😂
@crispy_338
@crispy_338 4 месяца назад
The Abrams is already overweight. It serves its purpose as-is
@lutherburgsvik6849
@lutherburgsvik6849 4 месяца назад
Still gets blown up in Ukraine though. Just like everything else.
@tinchorb1340
@tinchorb1340 4 месяца назад
@@lutherburgsvik6849 1 abrams out of how many T-80s, T-72s, and T-90s ever since they arrived at ukraine months ago?
@lutherburgsvik6849
@lutherburgsvik6849 4 месяца назад
@@tinchorb1340 huge numbers. Point is nothing is invulnerable, and everything gets destroyed because the modern battlefield is highly lethal.
@lightningstrike5024
@lightningstrike5024 4 месяца назад
Having only 1 of something in a war isnt very fucking useful
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