The single greatest achievement in all of human history, and no one thought to make sure the documentation was safe and secure? I mean, we go to great lengths to protect pieces of art, music, and documents that are far less important, and no one took the time to make sure these tapes were preserved and protected for future generations? I find this extremely difficult to believe.
Agreed, I find it very hard to believe they are lost. Something of this magnitude, a film/films valued by the world and scientific community as worth more than gold missing? They may be missing to nasa and to you and I but they are sitting in some rich guys basement, most likely and unfortunately
No problem. Just have NASA rescind its ruling that declared the Apollo 11 landing site off limits to all visitors, and then send an international lunar lander there to take high rez. videos and still images; perhaps a sample and return option. Oh yes, many still photos of the starscape visible from the surface of the moon ... DURING THE DAY. Just shade the lens, aim it away from the sun, like the Hubble telescope, and aim it up away from the bright reflective lunar surface. No atmosphere means no light scattering effect.
Already happening the losses of high quality archival grade stuff is criminal and happens daily and for absolutely everything. It’s exceptionally expensive and winners must be picked so 99% is eventually lost.
It would be a shame if even 1 second of this recording was lost and yet NASA, one of the most intelligent entities on Earth, managed to lose the best images of what is considered the greatest achievement in human history. How does that happen? How are the recordings not secured at the moment they were made. It’s beyond embarrassing. And it’s just devastating that a piece of history like that could ever be lost.
If you notice the "Context" label RU-vid assigned to this video, and you have an open mind, you may be enlightened as to how the world works and may answer the questions you presented.
I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center in the late 1980's as a government contractor with Allied Signal. I was a HDT (high density tape operator) and data controller. Main job was to collect Space Lab mission data off of the space shuttle on HDT's and post process the data onto 9 track data tapes for scientific research. Long story short is that between missions we were sent to a tape storage facility near Greenbelt MD to work there. It was busy work, mostly moving tapes around and degaussing old tapes. The warehouse was huge! Had to be millions of tapes. The facility manager took us on a tour one day and showed us rack after rack of Apollo HDT tapes. He said they don't touch them, they leave them alone. Don't know if that warehouse is still there but it was climate controlled. I'm sure they had to look there if it was, but if they didn't....
@@PsRohrbaugh Funny you mentioned following up. I sent an email to a guy who wrote an article about this issue about 7 years ago. Never did hear back from him. My guess is they went through those tape's, or all the tapes at the warehouse wound up in a landfill. Guess we will never know.
@@mikemasiello9625 I worked at the BBC for a decade and know the producer of the BBC's Apollo coverage. These were mostly wiped. I personally went through the entire BBC archive - as extracted from the library by library staff. There were only about twenty Quadruplex tapes - none of the BBC's actual studio coverage. Tapes were very expensive, they were reused. Dr Who and many others went the same way. Also, at the time we thought that Moon stories would soon be totally normal - turned out it was forgotten for decades.
missed the fact that the conversion process involved pointing a tv camera at a monitor hence the poor quality. none of the hardware plugs were compatible and it was only realized shortly before the event.
The US Navy similarly worked this out before D-DAY .A landing Ship full of troops were sunk by German Torpedo Boats cause the US were on a different frequency to the Royal Navy and couldnt coordinate
The video relay process seemed rather ad hoc at points. I can remember staying up late to see the Apollo 11 lunar excursion when I was a kid. My recollection is that the TV picture from the LM camera was initially upside down as seen on the projection screen in Mission Control. If the motion picture about Parkes claims correctly, Parkes in Australia was the initial relay due a technical problem at Goldstone. I can imagine a technician hurriedly flipping over a monochrome CCTV camera aimed at a green long persistence SSTV monitor to correct the picture. Talk about the whole world looking over your shoulder! It is unfortunate the original telemetry tapes weren’t kept longer to allow for a better transfer. A modern system could convert the image electronically instead of relying on an optical telecine.
It's amazing how many important recordings get destroyed by simply recording something else over them. I transfer video and audio tapes to digital and I've seen many occasions where someone would bring me their wedding video, or video of the child's first steps, etc., and when I play them back I find some TV show recorded over most or all of it. Even though the tapes are sometimes clearly labelled! The issue is that what is important to one person is not important to another, and if that other person simply MUST record the latest episode of "Friends," and your wedding tape is the only one at hand, well....
That’s probably what happened, they were showing reruns of Gilligans island and someone said hurry up grab me a tape, gotta get Maryann in them shorts. 😂😂
Stooge. That is the most purile and pathetic excuse ever, NASA has said that they were erased and reused as a cost cutting measure, NASA said that, not me. You need to stop this rubbish mate, open your bloody eyes.
My mother worked at Aerojet, the company which built the lunar buggies the astronauts used. She was told at the time the reason for the poor quality video feed is because the news stations were never given a direct TV feed, but instead were forced to record the images off one of NASA'S monitors as the landing unfolded. Guess it took them fifty years to come up with a new excuse.
The tapes of the original slow scan video exist. In 1969 the ONLY way to convert them was to point a broadcast camera at the monitor displaying the low resolution video signals. Computers that could handle video conversion didn’t exist for another five years (and ten years before they could do it in real time).
@@allangibson8494 they went through the Van Allen belt and landed on the moon.... but they couldn't film it because they didn't have the technology. Something stinks right there. The CIA was in charge of all video recording on that 'mission to the moon', work it out for goodness sake. No human has been through the Van Allen belt, ever, NASA are recorded as saying such. I know where the door is.
@@deanhall6045 Actually the entire Apollo 11 mission was filmed. The LM had a 16mm film camera pointing out the co-pilots window. It shot one frame per second. The video transfer is available online. The Van Allen belt is only “lethal” if you spend a MONTH in it. Radiation dose is a question of intensity AND duration.
I watched that on British television I sat up all night I was 12 years old my mother said go to bed you can watch it in the morning I said no you don't understand this is history and I'm watching it. I've never forgotten it.
After long period (25 years or so) of research on my own, it has become apparent that the first moon landing was created here on earth. Apparently The Apollo 11 team never left earth orbit. I am 67 and I remember watching the TV coverage at my grandfather's house with our entire family. My grandfather, J. Kenneth (Ken) Hull was a former President of one of the divisions of the original Lockheed Corp. In the 50's-60's. I remember very clearly (I was 11 or 12 at the time) that my grandfather actually had tears in his eyes as the "one step" occurred. HE had no question as to the authenticity of what we were watching 'live'. In the earliest days of RU-vid, when there were an enormous amount of videos and websites dedicated to the moon landings, you could see a vast amount of information regarding the validity of this program. Try searching now. A small handful of sites and videos that are not recent MAY come up. We have been lied to and vast amounts of inconvenient truths have been buried, burned, erased, and redacted. Follow logic and the truth may set you free. As my father said to me 50 years ago "son, question everything you are told and make up your own mind". Thanks dad. I do that.
There's a ton of people that are still alive today that can tell you about the "bottle of coke incident" when they aired the broadcast for the first time. . . Also there is a ton of people that have seen the mistake while astronauts that where supposed to be in space have been filmed in NASA's facilities. First step was in a studio.
As a former broadcast video technician, I clicked just to see if the complicated details of the broadcast were accurate and I was most impressed as they were. I went to many training classes and met old heads that educated me about these broadcasts. As far as what happened to them, I guess we'll have to take their word for it. I reused media all the time but I never had the most Important technical achievement on tape either so......
IDK man it's REALLY hard to believe. This is Apollo fukin 11 we are talking about. It's not like some old cheesy car dealership commercial. This is a piece of history.
We definitely went to the moon. Bob in storage is just so clumsy he forgot where he put the tapes... migh have spilled coffee on them. Who cares it happened ages ago...
Great video thanks for sharing. As bad as my memory has become over the years watching the Apollo 11 landing on the moon will always be both fondly remembered and one of the biggest highlights of not only my lifetime but also of all mankind.
@@deanhall6045 better put your tin foil hat on before the government reads your thoughts. Man has done so many wonderful and great things but you look how long man was capable of of flight together with the limited technology at the time I stand by original statement.
@@davegoldspink5354 obviously a hoax and only America believes it. Most people see way too many holes in that charade,.... I'll show you some magic too, I'll make you silent. How did man go through the Van Allen belts seeing as NASA has admitted no one can ? Wow, see.
No problem. Just have NASA rescind its ruling that declared the Apollo 11 landing site off limits to all visitors, and then send an international lunar lander there to take high rez. videos and still images; perhaps a sample and return option. Oh yes, many still photos of the starscape visible from the surface of the moon ... DURING THE DAY. Just shade the lens, aim it away from the sun, like the Hubble telescope, and aim it up away from the bright reflective lunar surface. No atmosphere means no light scattering effect.
The mid 1970s were a time of inflationary costs and NASA’s budget had been cut, with Congress under the impression that the US won the moon race and that was good enough. Engineers at the time probably assumed (incorrectly as it turns out) that they got as good a transfer of the video as would ever happen, so why not re-use the telemetry tape. You’d think the first landing on the moon would deserve especially jealous guarding of the source material though. Seems a bit odd, doesn’t it?
Like the intern who stole the moon rocks and tried to sell them and was eventually arrested by the FBI just think about the scene when I discovered that, well I think you just did,
After Armstrong swung out the camera, and Aldrin powered it on, the world got to see Armstrong climbing down the ladder... inverted. No one had told the techs that the camera mounted on the LM... upside-down! They flipped the image quickly.
They also probably got embarrassed by someone setting up the camera with photoshop motion blur and about five iterations of sharpen to cause all the artifacting.
@@KertaDrake ... all the computers on Earth, linked together, which they weren't, could not have opened VLC, let alone Photoshop. The government's largest computer was the size of a city block, had 25K memory, and ran our national defense! How the world has changed...
Magnetic tape degrades over the years. I remember them from the 60's. I have had video and music that lost the quality to where they were worthless. 4 and 8 track music tapes and some video from Vietnam during the Tet lunar attack on our base. I had stored them for safe keeping and about 50 years later I reopened them. Very disappointing..
The band Boston had storage issues with tape making "Third Stage" as it took years to make (legal issues i think). The tape became "sticky?" while being stored & upon playback they had to use some kind of oil real time as it passed the heads.
Boy am I glad somebody said this! So many people these days just don’t know what using actual TAPE was like. Particularly big TWO INCH reel to reel. It degrades and it’s bulky and expensive to store and preserve. And another thing that is not well remembered: There was actually a tape shortage in the late 70s- early 80s due to the oil embargo. Tape is made from petroleum. I was a professional musician at the time and I remember times when it was difficult to get cassettes or reel to reel tape. NASA records EVERYTHING; they probably reused it just to save some money. Bad decision maybe but nothing more than that. I wonder how tape for historic albums like Sgt. Pepper is stored- if they even still have it?
@@MikinessAnalog an old boy I know who’d had their first 2 albums had never noticed or realised that the ship on their covers was a guitar ! I wasn’t much into hard rock or metal but that lead guitar break at the start of Long Time is pretty spectacular.
I know what you mean. I worked at a TV station in the 80s and fixed among other things one inch Ampex machines. They had a two inch machine in storage but I never saw it in action.
There were many missing videotapes and data tapes from a number of Apollo/Mercury/Gemini missions, that have been randomly found all over the world in years since. Secondary and tertiary participants, scientists, and mission specialists sometimes had these tapes in boxes of items from their homes or personal collections, and are only now being rediscovered.
They would, it is a government agency after all. They have a mindset most of us can't relate to. If you want more proof, they did display a Saturn V in Houston Texas. Left to the elements, the aluminum was so corroded you could poke a finger through. All under the excuse, "We didn't have the money for preservation". Most of us would think to preserve something so important. Not NASA, no grand conspiracies, just incompetence.
@@diggingattycho7908 If its not budgeted for, it doesn't get done. Unfortunately preservation is one of those things that congress didn't see fit to fund until it was almost too late. The ultimate example of zero preservation is the Soviet program with shuttles buried in rubble and left to decay outside in the elements.
It's a silly cover story, NASA went to the Moon, oh and by the way we lost the tapes - yeah, right. The originals would show what they really found up there.
@@RA76951 exactly! Oh yeah lets say they were recorded over then sold to broadcast media to record on, uh then we'll say they were bought at auction by un disclosed individual. Yeah right! All the effort to go to mars because it could lead to a colony? Lets explore whats closest first huh? I wanna know whats in the dark!
The story goes that a researcher from the University of western Australia asked for copies for research. When he left the University they were put in storage. When NASA wanted to revisit the tapes the University found them in their archives but they were 1" tapes and nothing around could read them. Luck had it, a computer museum in Sydney has one reader in their collection but did not work. After an intensive search they found enough parts to get the machine to work and read the tapes.
Luna cognita used to upload studies of footage till his page vanished.. saw some years later his stuff being used at a hearing dealing w seti and disclosing files
Lunacognita, aka Cary Martynuik suffered serious health issues and in 2017 RU-vid chopped his channel. His work though was outstanding. But he is now back, albeit in a limited manner - check out ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hqxNHlgPO8Y.html
Resources were limited back then and I can understand how stuff gets lost. I work for one of the auto companies. We wanted to update a car based on a 60's model. It's not like I can go on the server and download the specs. Some stuff was put on microfilm but they are all hand drawn things and hard to see. I had to find the buildings stuff was archived and I was able to track stuff down and it was cool to find all these hand drawn engines, with their calculations. I then found the patterns and models used for the body. We could then digitize scane them the import into our CAD system and rebuild the body. I can easily go back 25 years and get any file I wanted but prior to that, some stuff was a mix of computer or hand drawn or just hand drawn which is so hard to keep track of and you hope there is some old record keeper like you see in the movies that handles the archives and knows where to look. Once Apollo was cancelled, all that knowledge was lost and it has to be re-learned.
Something similar, years ago all the Vietnam records were catalogued and the catalogue digitized at Air University and the originals boxed accordingly. Later they changed computer data base program but forgot to translate the data base to a new program. As a result, at least for a time the records were effectively lost because no one knew in what box anything was and the data base was unusable.
Honey Suckel Creek Australia was the 1st Radio Telescope to receive the original transmissions from Apollo 11 because the Moon had not risen in the East yet for Goldstone Radio Observatory. The narrator either got the information incorrect or a script may have been written for him, & he just read what had been typed for him to be read. This means the person or person's writing the script did not check their data they had typed. Additionally, it has been discovered that the film crews & possibility of NASA film crews filmed the "Apollo Landings" film what was being shown on NASA'S large rear projection screens
Oxyde on tapes eventually becomes brittle and crumbles off to the point that sometimes reel to reel tapes have clear plastic but no oxyde left on them at all. All it takes is for a science director to decide to load the data onto newer storage devices and do that every 10 years or so to preserve the content. Since storage devices are better every year, the data on old tapes is small compared to what is produced today on a daily basis. It just takes someone to care and allocate funds to try to recover as much of the data as possible. Part of the problem is knowledgeable IT people get old and retire, and young people have no idea what to do with older technology. So the tape reels sit on shelves and deteriorate.
The amount of sheer and gross incompetence on the part of NASA to handle the tapes properly through the years is truly magnificent - I couldn't have done worse myself even if tried very, very hard...
@@morpher44 Not that I know of... Neil Armstrong once said the Moon landing would be harder to fake than to succeed.... I think Apollo 11 was a great achievement 👍🇳🇿🚀
I know where i was: watching it on a 12 inch black and white Philco in a huge green cabinet sized box. I was kinda disapointed they interupted cartoons. PS, my family never had a color tv until after i went off to college!
My dad remembers being in the 5th grade with three classes being crowded together in the same room huddled together around a single 12" black and white Admiral for the first moon landing. He is currently a high school math teacher nearing the end of his working life and I've often joked that it would be interesting if they landed on the moon once again not only would be he see it in HD color AND actually be able to see what is going on instead of only being able to hear it.
I'm a new facinated viewer of you channel. As to your final question, have you done the j.f.k. mystery yet? Thank you for doing what your doing. Your light will shine onto others making yours brighter as well.
It’s not like the original tapes would have been HD or 4K. Standard resolution of the day was 449 x 483, NTSC scan conversion lost detail, but there wasn’t a ton to begin with.
@@ReidGameX I mean that they still would be lower resolution than most seem to be hoping for. Narrowband slow scan was 10 FPS and 320 lines, there WAS an option for something over 1200 lines, but that was as a backup in case the film cameras had issues, they could transmit still pictures, not high res broadcast video. I agree that original tapes would be great, but I think there’s been some expecting the latter.
@@xodiaq there’s also AI that can process film from the early 1900’s that’s been poorly digitized already and they’re making 4K out of it. With SOMETHING higher quality it could be upscaled in a way we haven’t thought yet
@@xodiaq - you might want to look at articles by Dr. Dwayne A. Day. The real point being that images publicly released by NASA cannot be what was actually used for landing sites given the 'quality'. I'm sure you are familiar with GAMBIT and the NRO's involvement with the use of camera equipment by NASA.
@@ReidGameX There is video software yes, but I wouldn't call it A.I. When you say A.I., it implies something like a neural network that is trained to look for things in images -- like flying saucers on craters or something. Image recognition, etc. But to clean up images or video, there are various filters, and balancers and extrapolators, upsample, downsample, etc. This isn't A.I. It is software specifically written to deal with, improve image and video data. If you have an Apple Mac, you can buy all sorts of video software.
Not long ago a new modual was docked to the ISS. The thrusters on the modual ketp firing moving the station off course. I would love to know more on this event as I was watching the livestream when it happened
Parkes in New South Wales was one of the three earth stations but Honeysuckle Creek is a different station in the Australian Capital Territory, about 350km east of Parkes. Parkes was used for Apollo 11, see "The Dish" movie. But I dont think Honeysuckle Creek was used at that time. Otherwise a very interesting YT.
The camera was kept in the MESA which was a storage compartment on the side of the lunar lander base. There was a release mechanism to lower the compartment and begin broadcasting.
Do you realize that Apollo 11 recordings still exist? They are just poorer quality than these direct SSTV tapes that were overwritten. Also, there were 5 successful landing missions after Apollo 11 and we have high quality footage of the those missions, same or better quality than these overwritten ones from Apollo 11, and they're in colour.
Fun Fact: pre flight Mike Collins asked the TV people to preserve the recordings because he won't be able to watch the broadcast while orbiting in the command module. Good thing he didn't ask NASA.
Some former NASA employee or their descendants has the tapes. They are just waiting to be found. When they are, in the next 50 years, found they will be worth a fortune.
I think they ended up in a nasa engineers video tape collection, only to be thrown away by his family after he passed. They never knew what they had.. IMO
That's probably because they've don't have television broadcast grade equipment to playback the first generation videotapes and only enthusiasts (like me) have those machines
The cancelation of Apollo program probably led to much of the lax data archival. They simply weren't given the time and funding to keep those records a concern. A good lesson to learn from
I've heard stories about the Saturn V manufacturer being told to get rid of their engineering drawings, they were no longer needed, and they were told to just throw them in the dumpsters out back. There were tons of guys hurriedly running paper drawings and specifications out to their personal cars since the govt. and the company didn't care what happened to them. As the story goes, there were many guys going home that night with a car so loaded that their commute was a white-knuckle ride on back-streets hoping they could make it home to unload into their garages.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy If true, it shows a complete lack of security. I doubt that happened with the Manhattan Project. Although Feynman has some funny stories.
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy If that is true, about the Saturn V drawings, it says Why they wanted to destroy them. The Saturn V’s would not be built anymore and NASA can’t save every bit of paperwork for ever. Also, NASA didn’t have all the drawings of the Saturns. They were built by many different companies,like Boeing, Douglas, Martin and Grumman. They had the drawings.
It’s actually not surprising tapes got erased and reused. It’ happened quite often in the 60’s and 70’s when inventory couldn’t keep up with demand. Some shows lost a good number of episodes forever because someone repurposed tapes (most notably the Tonight Show and Doctor Who have a number of lost episodes.) So, yeah, I’m sure that’s exactly what happened here. Someone was unaware of what he was erasing for reuse.
Dr who tapes /Apollo moon landing tapes .one marked mans greatest achievement .the other marked as children's entertainment . Let's just chuck it all in the bin .it doesent matter that was yesterday's news .
There's a couple of factors in play here. First that tapes in those days were expensive and took a LOT of room. Second, people in general were not concerned as much as today in preserving things. Yes, I'd like to see early Dr Who episodes, but they weren't preserved as they were not seen in the same historical context back then; it's just a show! They didn't think it would exist and still be popular 60 years later. Plus, it wasn't NASA's job, they likely figured all the media outlets would take care of that as that's their job. That's why we still have other historical events still on tape as it happened such as Walter Cronkite and the JFK assassination.
The tapes aren’t mässing. NASA had an old ”tape player” to which No more tapes are fabricated, but they wanted to record some new stuff and took old tapes and erased them. The Apollo 11 tapes happened to be among them, but they had already been copied to more modern tapes. We can still see every minute of them here on the Internet, if we want.
Like the one gentleman states that we go to great lengths to protect artwork yet don't make sure to preserve the biggest achievement in the history of space. Sure makes you think that something isn't right. How NASA can "lose" all the technology it took to go to the moon is very suspicious. There will always be a debate on whether we went to the moon or not. I for one have serious doubts.
Interesting that among all of the “it didn’t happen, it was all a hoax" comments, no one ever bothers to mention that the original tapes are perfectly intact for Apollos 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17...
@@BranqonBoom the moon landing did happen and the Lunar Laser Retro Reflector is just one of the ways you can verify it yourself. Shine a laser at the reflector that Buzz Aldrin left on the moon and it will be reflected right back. measure the time it takes and multiply by the speed of light and you can calculate the current distance of the moon from earth.
700 BOXES MISSING!!! OMG. That's pallet loads. I don't reckon that's theft or sabotage. More likely someone mislabelled or did not label a whole shipment such that they were believed to be non-valuable and either chucked out or recycled. But to recycle any tape properly, the habit was to firstly wipe clean before reuse. But who would not have a quick look at what they were before scrubbing? So, no, not an accident, just human incompetence.
The single most important video in human history and we are expected to believe the originals were accidentally misplaced so we are left with terrible quality footage that only certain foreground shapes and silhouettes can be distinguished.........right.
Its hard to believe a video tells you what most likely happened, and I see comment after comment asking how could that happen? It's on the same level as the husband recording over the wedding VHS to record a football game. It's the tape that was available because it probably wasn't labeled correctly and it was the only tape available. Over and over
Exactly, that's what happened, the equivalent of recording over the wedding tape. NASA's main concern wasn't to preserve history on tape. It was to get astronauts to the moon and back, alive. That was their job, the history part they left to the media.
@@armelind Point is that recording of the event is not lost, only those backups were, and there are high quality tapes from all other missions so, Apollo 11 was doing the least and spent the least time on the surface anyway.
@@FrankyPi You dont have to explain yourself to me. I have known about the backups for at least 10 yrs. It is why I originally posted a comment. Stuff happens. It is done. You cant change it. But we have technology now that can help enhance or restore those "not so good" sources we do have.
2:01 why is the background showing through his suit? Update! I’m not here to listen to your theory’s about what is causing this. Show what you are speaking about with an actual presentation. The same Visual presentation as what was given to you!
@@dandare2586 I'm not actually asking for an answer. I'm just pointing out the obvious and I honestly don't think a TV reception would show bleed through a persons body unless it was an X-Ray :)
It is the light sensor. Just like when you see a bright light and then close your eyes. The image persists. Video equipment back then just was not very good.
@@errmable You have clearly never watched a 1960's black & white vacuum valve TV, in the 1960's, like I have. Then you would know about ghosting & all the weird effects that were possible with that old technology.
Here's something to consider, the Apollo missions were so scripted, voice recorded, and rehearsed down to the second. With so much "live feed" material required and to prevent gaps in content, moon landing, site experiments, soundstage, audio tracks and video on the moon and earth were all spliced together at Johnson Control before broadcasted out.
yet, things actually went wrong when landing. The computer threw an error, and Neil had to go to manual pilot mode. Buzz had to watch thru a window and yell landing information to Neil. Later, after their moon walk, they found a broken switch. The switch they needed to launch to leave the moon. They had to try to attempt a fix of this switch using a pen. Other things went wrong.
Those video tapes belong in the National Archives. Not in some collectors private stash. Those tapes are a national treasure of the United States and an absolutly priceless piece of world heritage. The fact they were even auctioned off to private ownership is a crime against humanity.
A treasure trove of classic old films was discovered in Alaska some decades ago. The theatre was the "end of the line" for many films, and once shown they were just chucked out in a pit. Where they froze. Over years covered with snow that didn't melt. Someone found them accidentally and they were still in good condition (for "end of the line" films, that is). Smithsonian, I think it was, grabbed the bulk of them. So hope never dies ...
With modern tech, they could have those looking pretty damn good! What a SHAME. Video fidelity is very important to me. I had my dub of Apocalypse Now, then bought it on LASER DISK, then on DVD Then on Bluray, THEN the BEAUTIFULLY restored version from just a couple years ago. I would donate good money, (for me) to have those NASA tapes restored. ☹
This is like the BBC recording over early Doctor Who episodes but several orders of magnitude more stupid. Humans walking on another soil in our solar system and NASA mishandles them like vacation slides from the 5th family trip to Podunk Falls. The idiocy is staggering.
The tapes had to disappear because technology is advancing enough to uncover the layers of concealment on top of the actual video footage. The real footage shows what is there on the moon where the lunar lander set down. If you know how to look past these video layers you'll actually see what is there. I've seen things on these tapes that I've always suspected were on the moon and also things I didn't expect. To do this you'll need a decent magnifying glass and a good sized video screen, like a tablet. Look at paused, single framed images or play the video in a very slow speed while viewing the screen at all different angles, the steeper the angle, the better. It'll take time to train your eyes to see past the surface image. If you've ever looked at stereograms you'll know what I'm talking about. Good luck.
no one recycle them they were too wide to use, so ho one accidentally recorded on them, they only fit the tracking stations equipment, the whole story stinks
@@supremeunk capitalize it all you want, you still have absolutely no proof of that. But hey keep pretending that a million people could keep a secret from the entire world.
This is what I always thought as "off" in this story. The Apollo 11 moon landing was one of the most important scientific achievements in human history. While plausible such important historical digital documents would be lost to late 1960s technology and the issues it presented. It just doesn't sound like something NASA or the government would never consider backing up for further study or whatever.
Guess you missed the part about NASA having several thousand tapes, that all look pretty much alike, and no effective system in place to keep track of anything.
@@vr6swp lol and no time, or money to pay someone to sort through any of it either right? Just like they destroyed the technology to replicate the saturn 5 rocket but can no longer figure out how to do it.. :p Lies!
@@guyonearth The question was asked why we haven't gone back to the moon in over 50 years, and a nasa astronaut himself on video said "we used to have that technology, but we destroyed it and it's a difficult process to build it back again." You can search it right here on youtube. There's even documentaries on why they couldn't build anything as capable as the said "Saturn 5," and they said because the engineers who who built it have passed away and today's engineers still can't figure it out. Bunch of bookahki!
@@rockstarbmf9595 Let's see if we can unpack this for you. I know science is hard, but try to pay attention. What Petit was saying was that the technology that existed in the 1960's was not maintained due to budgetary constraints. NASA does not have unlimited funding. In fact, it's funding is tiny compared to other government endeavors. The Apollo program was cancelled in 1972. The last few Saturn Vs were used for Skylab, and put on display. That was the end of it, and it's irrelevant to any current lunar program. I've got news for you. We can't build things from the past (easily) simply because they were built in the past. We can't build a 1950 Studebaker. Nobody is making the parts, materials, and components used in that car. It's likely the engineering drawings for that car don't exist, at least not in complete form. It would have to be recreated, and would cost more than any modern car to recreate. We don't have the ability to build Sherman tanks anymore, or P-51 Mustangs, or even a tube TV from the 1960s. It's not that the technology has "been destroyed", it's that the ability to reproduce it was not preserved. FYI, all the engineering drawings for the Saturn V still exist...but that's irrelevant. We're not going back to the moon in a Saturn V and an Apollo capsule. We'll be using things that are a little more advanced....in the same way we don't go to battle with Sherman tanks, we don't drive 1950 Studebakers, and we don't watch tube TVs any more. Seriously, get a clue.
This type of incompetence was rampant in the 50's through the 1970's. Universal Studios, who made the classic early horror films such as Dracula, Frankenstein, The Wolfman, etc. was seriously considering destroying the original films of these classics to make room for newer films in their warehouse during the 1950's. Somebody thought that nobody in the future would have any interest in watching these films in the 1960's and beyond.....
I Worked for a company that converted analog tapes (think big film like spool) to digital files. ... lets just say not all of them maid it, if it gave us to much trouble or if it was to degraded we just chucked them. i can only imagen how much history i thru into a dumpster. ill bet that's were that lost tape is... Niagara regional landfill
Doesn't matter. It's not the actual quality of the footage people are complaining about if those tapes are still around. It's the actual tapes!! It's part of history like how we preserve discarded cavemen tools right? I mean first time to the moon is one of the most iconic moment for mankind...
I think that the broadcast image quality is very atmospheric and had it been better might have diminished the sense of the unimaginable distance involved in this feat of human endeavour. I have always been intrigued by the apparent ethereal transparency of the two figures as they moved about on the surface. You can see the background behind them I feared that it was related to the amount of ionising radiation in the spectrum that might have given a degree of x-ray vision to the camera image. A lack of qualification has never inhibited me from postulating a theory!😂
robinwells8879. The “transparency” depended on the “afterglow” of the primitive camera. You seem to be old enough to understand that. Have you never seen that effect on other TV transmissions???
Yes. We want you to update the nuclear waste repository in Yucca Mountain, Nevada. Which imbicile of a Senator is being the most irresponsible?! To whom do we write to complain? ''Get 'er done!'' Thanks DD. A long time fan.
Cortez Masto, Titus Lead Nevada Delegation in Efforts to Prevent Nuclear Waste Storage at Yucca Mountain. Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senator Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.)
@@theonewiththeeyeoftruth884 the Apollo program was mainly used for NRO expansion, spy satellites and to develop ICBMs and show the Soviets that the re-entry can be aimed properly. The doctored images from appolo program shoot more holes in their stories than a pasta strainer
@@pteppig *Apollo the Apollo program was for landing men on the moon, and there are no doctored images. If there are, show some and explain. Otherwise, you're full of shit.
No problem. Just have NASA rescind its ruling that declared the Apollo 11 landing site off limits to all visitors, and then send an international lunar lander there to take high rez. videos and still images; perhaps a sample and return option. Oh yes, many still photos of the starscape visible from the surface of the moon ... DURING THE DAY. Just shade the lens, aim it away from the sun, like the Hubble telescope, and aim it up away from the bright reflective lunar surface. No atmosphere means no light scattering effect.
I have one important question no one wants to give an answer to is how did we get passed the Van Allen radiation belt? The walls of the capsule would have needed 6 feet of lead shielding to protect anyone inside.
Coyote. That “6 inches of lead” is just an urban legend. Ever heard about “bremsstrahlung”? Lead would only have made matters worse and the Van Allen belts are NOT lethal to just pass.
@@YDDES These belts are shaped like two nested doughnuts. Their sizes change depending on solar activity and, sometimes, on how we model them. The inner belt starts at an altitude of 600-1,600 km, according to different sources, and extends till 9,600-13,000 km. The range of the outer belt varies similarly: from 13,500-19,000 km to about 40,000 km.
@@YDDES Yet still, there are doubts these days that humans actually achieved this feat. For example, the following question appeared on Quora on August 23, 2018: “When will the existence of the Van Allen belt and our inability to penetrate its harsh radiation with today’s technology force NASA to admit it faked the moon landing?”
@@COYO-T Have you read what Dr James Van Allen had to say about the dangers of going through the radiation belts: “The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight. The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months’ duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure. A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week. However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.”
