Pheromone Vera said it , Phoenix was basically destroyed inside even he said that was a very dark times for him, only trucy could make his pain more bereable for him
I remember playing this part, saved in the middle of the case because I went to sleep, the next day I was like "time to play Phoenix wright" so I kept looking through all my Phoenix wright games and half and hour later I was like OMG IM STUPID, ITS IN APOLLO JUSTICE
This is one of the finest defence's Phoenix Wright produces in his entire career. His reasoning, his attacks - it's just brilliant to watch, and was even better to play. I miss Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney so much. This was a great final case for Nick...
@Just Passingby A fact is that even though he was fighting for Maya's life (of course WE know he was mistaken), he still managed to nearly win. The fact is that the fight was close and Apollo barely out sworded him. Let me tell you, I bet he hated every second of that trial. Every single second. Fighting his own student and friend was probably torture to him. Had we read his internal monologue, there would probably be a lot of screaming and "Forgive me, Apollo"s coming from Phoenix. One reason he wasn't thinking rationally was the fact that Atishon was following him around. He couldn't tell Apollo or Ema anything unlike in 2-4 when he could safely tell Gumshoe without Shelly knowing. Another reason, as you stated, was that Maya was in danger. That head-grasping sprite makes a return for a reason, the very same reason as in 2-4. Had Atishon actually not been guilty, I think that the case would have been a victory for Phoenix.
I Gotta admit, he looks cool here, unlike the reset he got during 5 and 6, yknow sometimes I wish Zak never went to Phoenix, so his career could still be there and be an amazing professional.
With sprites we've seen DOZENS of times, you still manage to see a unique... pain, captured in the Judge's face when he's about to disbar Phoenix. Kind of a relationship-defining moment for the guy.
If Mia was still alive when Wright was having his hearing for forging evidence, she would object and said that the paper actually came from Kristoph, who told Phoenix's now daughter Trucy to give it to him
An alternative possible line of reasoning for the 11 minute mark objection: Phoenix: Valant... if your mentor was already dead... why did you feel the need to shoot the clown? Valant: ...Pardon? Phoenix: It would make perfect sense for ZAK to shoot the clown, he was there first, he needed to find a loophole to get out of shooting his mentor. But you? Why would you feel the need to exploit a loophole to avoid shooting a man who was *already dead*!? Valant: (shock)
Well, think about it. As Valant stated, a deal is still a deal, even with a dead man (8.35). So he had to shoot somebody. But shooting his mentor, who has already been shot, could make him a suspect. So, he still had to use a loophole to fulfill his mentors wish, and still not be a suspect. I think that's a way to argue, why he had to shoot the puppet.
@@R-2-2-2-3 But Magnifi's dead, and they never made a "deal" in the first place. Magnifi was blackmailing them, but since he would be dead at that point Valant would have no reason to comply with his wishes.
PR did everything right and would have ways out of it. He didn't even really need to use the falsified sheet. It's only due to the plot that he lost his badge there and then. It doesn't make the tiniest amount of sense.
Von Karma uses forged evidence for decades. Judge: Here is a penalty. Phoenix uses one single piece of forged evidence in his entire career. Judge: REMOVE HIS LAWYER BADGE IMMEDIATELY! Seriously, Apollo Justice was a good game, but a lot of things made no sense.
@@lasammis6066 it hates *defense* attorneys. Even after Rise from the Ashes the justice system was horrifically corrupt at worst and self-serving at best.
When evidence of Von Karma's forgery was found, it was in his final trial; where he himself was found guilty of murder. He didn't lose his career lmao he got the death penalty.
That cornered theme was quite the nostalgia inducer ^^ And as always, no one bothered asking when the forgery was requested and how Phoenix Wright could have made it when he only got that job a day ago, around the same time someone told Klavier. Furthermore, with that single page missing, the diary was useless as a definitive proof, anyway. At least if common sense was accepted in the court room.
while I do agree, these courts don't even law correctly, also everyone is saying Nick had only one day, this pisses me off, its not like it is his first trial with one day's notice ._.
I found it somewhat interesting that Gavin had several days to prepare forged evidence while Phoenix usually has to stand in court the day after the murder, begging the question what was different in this particular case. Apart from that, the only reason to bring the single day up is that Phoenix COULD NOT have prepared the forged evidence if he only knew one day in advance that he would be the defense attorney in this case. But no one cared :/
hexkirn the logic of these games, von Karma KNOWINGLY presents forged evidence, keeps his badge, Phoenix unknowingly presents forged evidence, keeps his
This trial is probably the most anxiety inducing moment of the entire Ace Attorney series. Particularly the moment where you have to present the evidence that get Phoenix Wright disbarred at 31:04
I mean, he also became the first lawyer to get his client a not guilty verdict in Khurain in over 20 years 9 years later, also on his own in that scenario.
If Phoenix was indeed the forger, he could have objected to Prosecutor Gavin calling his surprise witness. Also it's funny he "proved" the page was fake with mere words and no proof.
Inquisitor of the Ordo Xenos Even then Phoenix would still call out Klavier for knowing it’s a fake. Hence why Kristoph said Klavier was putting his career on the line for saying he knew Phoenix was going to present fake evidence.
Sora Eclipse well considering all the shit dealing with von karma, matt engarde, dahlia, and godot, he learns more and more. tribulations you could call them :3
@@thiefkingparsley576 don't forget red white. Phoenix became a man during that case taking down red White For the first time in the series he seemed confident and mainly
Defendant Lobby 0:00 0:36 _One Shot in the forehead_ 1:09 That Fateful Night 1:50 _There was a reason I could not refuse_ _Coercing?_ 2:48 “My Mentor.., his eyes opened” *Back to the Trial of Shadi Enigmar, a.k.a Zak Gramarye* 3:28 4:19 Valant Gramarye takes the stand 5:23 *Magnifi’s letter to Valant* 6:20 2 Letters, 2 Students, 2 Guns, 2 Bullets, 2 Times Both claim he was the one shot the clown and the other shot Magnifi The Magician 🎩 10:55 Rifling Marks 12:58 _Who Shot Who?_ 14:32, 16:40 *The IV Fluid* 17:56, 19:20 20:30 Klaviar counters (Yellow + blue = Green) 21:48 How did Valant learn that the color of the IV Fluid was *_Yellow_* and not Green? 24:15 Valant refilled Magnifi’s IV Fluid bag? 25:17 With the small syringe 💉 26:07 27:22 26:35 The end of day 1... Wait 27:47 Magnifi Garmarye’s Dairy *_The Downfall of Phoenix Wright_* 29:20 Klaviar goads Phoenix into presenting the Forged Diary Entry 30:25 32:43 Impossible! 33:59 BAD BAD BAD 34:34 Drew Misham 35:40 Forgery 37:03 _” I can say without a doubt, this is mine”_ 39:02 “I’ll remember you, Mr Wright” 39:39 Zak Gramarye’s Disappearance, *The Gramarye Miracle* 40:47 And So...
Phoenix:your decisive witness? I heard this word millions of times and generally they are far less decisive than they'd think Gavin:i'm confident this witness will do the job Phoenix:and so were all the other prosecutors. (I can't believe phoenix didn't deliver this burn)
Klavier when he brings up Drew Misham Phoenix:What is that? Your second decisive witness? Klavier:Oh trust me, this one is quite decisive Phoenix:Suuuuureeeee it is Klavier:Quite decisive in ending your farce of a career
No evidence in the games themselves. Most likely off screen since Klavier and Phoenix were planned to be on the mock trial in Dual Destines. Head canon at this point
In Dual Destinies, Phoenix mentions speaking with Klavier about the details of one of the cases, and there’s no mention of any animosity still existing between them. That would seem to imply they’ve made amends by that point.
Franziska: presents illigal evidence purposely Judge: whoops! It was just an accident Phoenix: presents illigal evidence without knowledge of it being fake Judge: no badge 4 U
Wait so only because Mr. Misham says "I can say, without a doubt, this is mine." we are supposed to believe that the paper was a fake? wtf? I realized that Trucy's words in the defendant lobby meant that it was most likely a fake, but at least show the proof that the page was marked by Misham.
Yeah I get that. But when I played miles edgeworth investigations I felt my hatred for the prosecution deteriorate as Miles had to really put that effort in to ensure the slippery defendant didn't get away with murder/crime. At the end I really had respect for detectives, Shi Long Lang and Miles for really putting their all to take down criminals, which otherwise they would be free to lay rampart in the world and endanger society as we know it. I guess it just that really speaks for the game, the writing, characters all come together to tell a different side with as much engagement and enjoyement.
So Mr.Misham said it was his. I don't find that to be the "decisive" evidence than Klavier always talks about. Anybody could say that painting is theirs but Gavin over here needs evidence to back it up, (but I guess that's not how court systems work huh?)
In AA verse, Prosecution's case is the absolute proof towards guilty because you have no jury. It's annoying and exactly why this whole "dark age" ends up existing, but it makes sense.
This makes as much (or rather, as little) sense as the other "legal procedures" we see in Ace Attorney games. He didn't explain he hadn't known it was forged, the diary still has a page torn out, the judge blindly believes some shady character. So - no, I didn't.
Artemis Vale As the audience, I know he did no mistake and he did have options out of this. So there is no point in crying "Nooo!" The sole reason he went down is because the script said so in defiance of all logic and the game engine forced us to follow it, so there's really nothing we could do about it other than calling the game a crap and stop playing it.
I think you misunderstand me. I'm just saying "Noooo!" because I know it's forged and I know he'll lose his badge, and after playing and seeing his adventures in the original trilogy and making a bond with him, it makes me sad to see him lose it.
It’s kinda dumb prosecution doesn’t need much evidence to make a point but god forbid defense forgets to point out ONE (1) detail, then their whole case crumbles to dust.
I'm pretty damn annoyed that this trial didn't end at 29:41. I mean, Gavin's shitting conjecture here. The 'point' that he brings up here doesn't prove the defendant is guilty, it calls for further investigation. Phoenix should've pointed that out to Gavin, seriously. You can't be presented as a well established experienced lawyer and not call this out. I mean come on, he's done it multiple times before.p
Ugh. That was bullshit about the "don't even think about presenting the diary" thing. It was an obviously way to cast *doubt*, at least, on the idea that Magnifi didn't write any more, because a page is QUITE CLEARLY TORN OUT OF IT. I wish they had done something besides "oh, we know that logically presenting this should work, but just ignore that because it makes the whole plot fall apart".
SuperZez we know this isn't true, but i just want answer your question. Maybe Phoenix ripped off an empty page, and then said to Drew to make a fake written page for the diary
SuperZez It's almost like this entire game is about how the legal system is corrupt for always putting evidence above logic and common sense and this trial was supposed to reflect that.
@@adrianac3437 Considering it was Gavin who presented the diary as evidence of Magnifi not being alive to write another page, that's not something he could have pointed out to the court, because it was *his* evidence after all, he can't just present stuff he believes is decisive and dismiss it himself minutes later.
1. Traveling abroad 2. Busy managing the Kurain village or something I dunno 3. Wasn't established until DD that you could use it during trials The whole point of the original trilogy was to show that Phoenix could learn to handle his cases on his own, I figure that's what Godot meant with his big "unlimited penalty" bit. To bring them in to tell him what seems fishy or whatever just reverts his character to a stage that he can't be in by GS4, if Phoenix was going to be a side character, he had to be someone he wasn't before. Probably why Apollo felt like a clone of Nick at first, in a lot of ways, he was everything Phoenix wasn't anymore.
*April 19th, Defendant Lobby No.2* 0:00 Wright and Zak talk. 1:05 Zak's Word on What Happened That Night in The Hospital With The Pistols & Magnifi. 2:08 I turned and shot the clown. 2:46 My Mentor Opened His Eyes! *The Zak Gramarye Case Resumes* 3:26 Court is Back In Session. *Valant Gramarye* 4:20 Valant Gramarye 5:04 Valant Gramarye received an exact copy of the letter Zak Gramarye received. 6:49 - The Night of The Crime - Valant's 1st Testimony. 10:08 One Pistol, Two Pistol OBJECTION! 11:35 Klavier Gavin retracts his murder weapon. 12:55 - Who Shot What? - Valant's 2nd Testimony. 14:30 IV Fluid Time of Death Calculation. 16:37 The Color Yellow. 17:45 There is a contradiction. 18:03 20:22 The IV is Green not Yellow! 21:25 The IV is Yellow, but in a blue bag it "appears green." 22:19 The IV is Yellow, but appears Green. How did the Witness, Valant Gramarye, know it was Yellow? Because HE TAMPERED WITH IT! 24:55 Valant added IV liquid to throw off the time of death.! *The Diary of Magnifi Gramarye* 26:50 OBJECTION Klavier Gavin wants to CONTINUE The Trial of Zak Gramarye. 27:21 The Syringe 💉 is not 100% verified proof that the IV Liquid was manipulated 27:45 Magnifi Gramarye's Diary 29:19 The Diary Ending. 30:52 32:54 "Finally. You just couldn't resist Herr Wright." 34:46 Drew Misham reveals the truth. 38:10 Forged Evidence suggests a Guilty Defendant (no, not necessarily) 39:50 Zak Gramarye "Vanishes."
I wonder did any of you who played the game while you where young, did any of you tried avoiding presenting that page since you knew that would make Phoenix loses his badge or did you people present the evidence without a care.
What i don’t understand is, can’t you determine when a letter was written? You can’t really accuse phoenix of forgery if the letter was written at least 2 days ago.
I guess I understand why Phoenix has to lose his badge here, because he was alone without the girls (Maya, Pearls) like Godot said that a girl is saving him, when hes in trouble. :D
After which, Phoenix appeared in front of the Bar Association, and was deemed unworthy to defend in court. With one of the board members saying "Mia Fey would be SO disappointed in you." And Mia's spirit would be like "Phoenix, what have you done?"
***** But the point is that he has no reason to be in the game besides the reference. Its only narrative purpose is to nudge the player, as if to say "Hey, same universe, huh?"
Zuki Apollo Justice(Ace Attorney 4) was planned like a totally new Story with a complete new cast of characthers without relation or references to the original trilogy, Takumi considered what Phoenix Story was complete with T&T but Capcom tell him to put Phoenix in the story because was very popular so Takaumi created the core of story about Phoenix lossing his badge
So von karma forges evidence for 40 years franziska abuses everyone in the courtroom godot throws coffee at the defense multiple times a trial Blackquill is a litteral murder convict who stabs people with feathers or something like that and commits hawk attacks and even sneaks evidence into jail and the worse reputation any of them got as a prosecutor was a single penalty Phoenix forges evidence one time and loses his badge Spoiler for DD: Not including the fact that blackquill is on death row
You forget that the Prosecution Committee was kinda corrupt at the time which is why guys like von Karma got away from the most part. Also the prosecutor's actions while uncalled for, weren't illegal nor did any of their physical abuse result in forged evidence to get their verdict. They just attack to shut up Nick and any other nonsense.
Manfred Von Karma is a prosecutor who presumably works for the state, and he was the best Prosecutor they had by a country mile. He never lost a case and had a perfect conviction rate. Phoenix Wright is an independent defense attorney. I don't understand why people do not consider the huge difference between their positions. Even ignoring what Gyakuten Kenji 2 reveals about the whole situation, the Prosecution committee would want to do everything in their power to mitigate the punishment Manfred received. There's no way they would throw away the best Prosecutor they have if they could help it, whereas someone like Wright would be of no concern.
How did they even get a gun into a hospital? And how did hospital staff not rush in immediately after the gunshot to see what was going on? We don’t see anything that looks like a silencer in the photos.
@@Taha632RMF no, i mean, everyone in apollo justice has DS era sprites, except the judge and phoenix (in court, during the flashback), who still use gba era sprites. theres a notable drop in quality
0:28 I k🥰 0:40 Oop lmao 1:40 *bang* *Light breathing stops* .. “AhhshXT WRONG ONE” 2:40 Right?!🥰 8:00 Wouldnt you have ran into him though since they were also assigned at like..the same time 8:50 Please😭 10:05 He took the pistol and put it in his pocket lmao and he talked about some proof after that- and if he says he saw two then bye 10:55 Yep that’s the proof 11:55 BOY BYE THATS NOT AN EXCUSE BRATWORTH DIDNT MAKE MISTAKES- FRANZISKA DIDNT- Overruled XD 12:08 B u t h e d i d 12:48 Hehehehe 23:26 ..Doesn’t work Trucy’s dad had a 5-10 minute discussion so he would’ve seen him Bye the lies 13:46 XD 15:44 Oh wow 16:24 XD 17:17 Heh. Uh oh. 17:28 Lmao 19:45 OoOOoOo 21:25 Hm. He didn’t panik. He must have something. 21:41 Hahaaa I knew it 22:00 The revelation came a split second before he said it How did he know XD 22:05 🤣☠️ 22:51 :0! Two way answer neat 24:35 XD 26:40 Daww, amateur~ 30:25 Oh fxck. Oh shxt. Oh shxt. Oh fxck. Oh no. Oh noo. Oh nononoooo. NOOO. NOOOOOO. DONT DO IT WRIGHT!! DONT DO IT!! NOOO 30:58 No please No No No stip Stop No 31:02 BABY PLEASE NO NOO NOOOOOO YOU FXCKTARD NOOO 31:50 😭😭😭😭 32:46 BECAUSE ITS FORGGEDDDDDDDD VALANNTTTTT😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 33:09 It’s happening It’s happening Stay calm Stay calm STAY FXCKING CALM Actually hm. Maybe It’s not happening yet. I feel like we have a whole way to go.. 34:00 OH NOOOOO 34:28 .................eh?...WAIT WT F X C K?! HES ALIVE?! I- OH WAIT NO this was 7 years ago bahaha 35:20 Early signs of forgery 35:30 MAD SUS YK☠️ 36:00 OHH N O O O O O. 36:05 BUT HES HELD RESPONSIBLEEE 37:00 WELL SHXT. 37:15 “My court >:[“ 39:48 AH HE HAS THE SAME SMILE AS TRUCY🥺 40:00 BXTch wtf- 40.08 ....yall ugly! ✨⭐️💫
While the plot concept of Phoenix losing his badge to forged evidence was indeed very interesting and creative, the execution of it was just pitiful. I mean, Phoenix gets no chance to explain himself at all. He's just assumed guilty. No preliminary hearing or nothing. Plus, they take the word of one witness who could have made the whole thing up. Yes, I know he wasn't lying about it, but there was no proof shown that page was indeed a forgery, let alone Phoenix was one of his clients, so why are we to take this guy's word and nothing else? I know this based on the court system in Japan and all, but even this pushes the suspension of disbelief to the point of suspension of common sense. This whole premise comes off as one badly written contrivance. Ugh... I can see more and more why Apollo Justice is called the worst game of the series by fans. It has some good concepts and ideas about it, sure, but it's plagued by way too many plotholes and poor characterizations to the point it feels like a bad fan fiction more than an actual canon game. I doubt it'll happen, but this game badly needs a remake because I can get behind the idea of Phoenix losing his badge due to forged evidence by accident and a jurist system happening in response to it, but it needs alot better writing and characterization to actually make it work because what we got instead was just mediocre at best.
Are you an idiot? Common sense and law don't mash with one another.This how the japan's legal system works.If you want a better understanding of this watch the two apollo justice reviews made by "the storyteller".
@@anxhelovucinaj8076 the worst thing about this is that Phoenix accepted his fate with face of "well, I lost my only job that were giving me money for food and spending time with friends, I don't know anything other, my law office is disbanded, all friends gonna hate me, whatever, regular day"
He didn't. He just didn't show it as much (inside the courtroom, that is). At this point, Wright knew how to keep his cool in a courtroom. But as he himself put it, he was completely broken inside, with Trucy being the only light left in his life. Why do you think he drank so much "juice" in these seven years?
"But as he himself put it, he was completely broken inside, with Trucy being the only light left in his life." What about Mia who taught him the ways of a lawyer? What about Maya who was like a sister to him? What about her cousin Pearl? What about his childhood friends Miles and Larry? The people who inspired Phoenix to be a lawyer? Anything about Franziska? Gumshoe? Oh and what about Iris who is also a significant person in his life? How did things resolve between them? Did they all just shun him away from their lives? Trucy was not the only person to keep Phoenix going.
@@CT-Irodiontbh it's weird how everybody just disappeared after wright being disbarred like gumshoe,Larry,Maya and pearl etc they're all gone after that I know they return but still
