There’s a real balance between the stalking thing, but also being able to track an item of yours that was stolen. An hour doesn’t work because the thief knows immediately.
@@Viewer765 not at all if you placed them in a car or bike the person still has to try and find them removing the speaker is a good idea for item you want to track ONLY if stolen
The thing about 3 days is that the bad guys know that it’s 3 days so if they are gonna put it on you I’m assuming they gon do what they wanna do before the 3 days are up...
@@OHCAM5 are you talking about reverse psychology? Like when companies advertise their products as "unhackable" or "impenetrable" but this only persuades hackers to try to get into the product?
They should allow you to share air tags with another iPhone user like they’re gonna do with the Apple Car Key. So if I lend my bag to my friend I can send him my airtag link or something that knows it’s being used by him
they already do, anything with android installed tracks you in the background, that data is already being used to show traffic jams on google maps, how many people visit a store on a given time etc
@@rxnniiee I THINK TIM MENAS LIKE IF YOU WANTED TO KNOW THE LOCATION OF AN SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL, LETS SAY YOU ARE A JEALOUS BF AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOUR LOVE IS, S PLACE TO PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE MONEY REGARDLESS OF THE THE PERSON BEING TRACKED ALLOWS IT OR NOT. LET'S FACE IT ONLY PEOPLE WITH MALICIOUS INTENTIONS WOULD PAY FOR THAT.
@@the.mosawi Cause it's only Apple products that are popularly used in my country to kinda prove having a luxury lifestyle. And most of them didn't know tile or Samsung tags existed till airtags came along.
Exactly. The entire point is to find lost products. Now imagine- you are in a mall, and happen to drop your wallet/keys with an airtag without realizing they lost it until 2 hours later. Someone decides to steal the product, they get a noti, find the tag, and destroy/throw it out. Now your product is lost with no hope.
@@jacksonf_ Imagine you're a woman. Your ex-boyfriend is violent and has threatened you in the past. You had to move, because he kept harrasing in front of your home. Suddenly you get a notification, that an AirTag was following you. Three days is enough to see where you live and where you work, which grocery store you usually go to. If you go jogging, someone could figure out your jogging route.
They shouldn't have bothered with this market then if it can be bad for the brand if something bad happens. I can already see the news taking advantage of this.
At less there getting constructive criticism and feedback for there products to make it better, I think it would be better if the notification for an unknown airtag was within 24 hours.
Big lew. This is going on my 1000 dollar electric skateboard that I’m using to commute to a big university. Longboards are notoriously easier to steal compared to bikes, and on the flip side I feel a bit safer knowing If anyone took my board my airtag is hidden within the motors.
I feel like you glossed over the when your item is stolen part a bit. I agree that if I'm being tracked I'd like to know it within an hour, but on the other hand, if my item gets stolen, chances are that I won't even notice it before the hour is over. It's a though choice without a 'best' answer, although you showed that nuance quite well. Keep up the work!
I think if they added a notification when your item is moved without being able to connect to your device, you should get notifed straight away.. this way you can solve both issues.
That same thing can be done with literally any other tag out there. Apple's error was advertising it as this anti-tracking miracle device. They should change it to be notified after a few minutes of an unwanted airtag following you.
@The Real Incognome yes. I understand the device doesnt have gps. But why would the phone automatically give gps info to an unknown bluetooth device, without your aproval
When you have an unknown airtag with you, you get notified as soon you enter an important place. Your iPhone already knows where you live or work. And then you get notified, but only when you have an iPhone. tried this out.
You have to consider what the main use case is for airtags. People are putting them on their keys, in their backpack or attached to a valuable thing that they don't want to lose. If someone steals your backpack and you want to track it, it tells the robber that there's an airtags in it within an hour they're going to dump it before you can track your item to the robbers location.
Agree, sometimes when we lose something take probably a day to find out you misplace or forget in other place. The main pint is to know where is your stuff. If I borrow my car with my daughters, it is nice to know where are they.
From what I've read, if you don't have an iOS device you can't be tracked so it's not an issue for Android users. The tracking only kicks in when it's near an iOS device.
@@635574literally there only has to be a iPhone within 200 feet I’m willing to bet someone within 200 feet has a iPhone above below or side of hotel room not even a. iPhone . A mac a iPad anything
@@itsmanasK And? It is their responsibility to consider a solution that does the least harm. Property is replaceable. The dangers of someone using this to stalk someone and do something much worse is a FAR bigger problem.
@@itsmanasK It is a solution. Drop the theft prevention angle. Consider the uses that will do harm and take action to disable those. If thieves can find and disable AirTags after an hour, then it is functionally the same as how the world works if AirTags didn't exist. property is replaceable. It sucks, but you can get new stuff and the police can investigate to maybe find the thief... If stalkers can use AirTags to stalk someone for 3 days, then it is not functionally the same as the world before AirTags. Imagine a celebrity or internet personality going to a fan meet and greet, having a stalker stash one of these, and the the stalker finds out the exact hotel or home address for the celebrity, then commits a crime. The AirTags was used to facilitate that. The tech should prioritize a design that does as much as possible to prevent that use case.
This also kind of defeats the purpose of it. If I have it on something that gets stolen, the person who steals can just be notified that they're being tracked and disable it.
What happens if my kid borrows the car keys and goes to school? Is a classroom full of iPhones going to get an alert after day three of that? Or does it “reset” itself if the proximity goes away and it comes back to my phone?
I believe theoretically it’s supposed to notify you sooner. If you go on apple’s website and scroll down to airtag privacy, you can see that the phone says “first seen with you at 8:50am”, and the person is checking it at 9:41am. So I believe it should theoretically notify you within an hour.
@@kartik_sinha if it’s a different date then it won’t say “last seen with you at x am”, it would say the date and time. That’s how iOS works. And it CAN be trusted since it’s on their website. I’m gonna wait for an unbiased source to conduct a similar test to see what the results are.
It does notify you earlier, I’ve seen other video where the feature is tested and they were warned on the same day. The article in this video is really dumb, they can’t say that it’s always like based on one simple experiment.
It doesn’t actually say it’s 9:41 am. It could be pm, and by that time you should have gotten the notification for sure because it’s supposed to tell you after “a few hours” of the AirTag being separated from its owner
In fact, whether you have an iPhone or not, after the third day of you being tracked, the actual AirTag that’s following you will start ringing so that you can find and disable it even if you have an Android.
@@lukeparsram9925 Tile doesn't have the footprint of a billion connected devices either. It's a fraction of a percent of Apple's. Most people didn't even know of their existence until a few days back. This comparison is between a startup & a behemoth. If a Tile were to be used to stalk someone, there's a massive probability that it'll be lost forever as soon as it moves out of range. Apple has opened the Pandora's box by knitting this feature so tightly into their OS.
I am a victim of a bicycle thief and I know from experience that the thief will hide the bicycle somewhere in the basement for a month, where Airtag will not find it. Only then will it sell and maybe after 2 months later you have a chance to find a bike from another owner. 50 days is minimum, not 3 days (and not one hour!) As You said 99.9% of people will use it normally. Suddenly not all of them will become criminals because Airtag will be useful. There are many more real GPS locators on the market that always work not only with iPhones. Think about it - someone would have to rummage through your things and plant it! This eliminates a lot of people - only relatives and family, someone with whom you are dating! This is not a real problem.
There is no right amount of time, but the location can be used as the trigger, there should be an option to set 1-2 miles radius where you enable the unknown tracking notification. So once you are inside that vicinity and there is another AirTag following you, you get notified as quick as possible, 5 minutes maybe.
What happens when the airtag detects the iphone its paired in those 3 days? Does it reset the counter? Thats perfect for wifey/husband issue. Cuz they meet every night yeah?
On iPhones you only get the notification, if the airtag is with you and you are at a frequent place for example your home. I’ve tested it with a friends airtag twice. First We put the airtag in my pocket and I went home, after 10 minutes I got a notification. The other time I didn’t went home for 5 hours or so and then went home. And right as i got home I got the notification
It should notify you once you move half a mile with it. And when you stay over 2 hours at a second location then when it first was put on you. (For people that live in small towns, who’s house is close to the shops)
It’s designed to not give those alerts if it recognizes that your phone is nearby and it won’t alert other people unless those people go to a place the heavily frequently go to like their house
@Zyzz I guess if you have a home location set in your phone it will notify you as soon as you get home... Of you don't it will notify you at the end of the day. I guess the idea is if you stole the item it doesn't want to warn you you're being tracked immediately.
@Zyzz my best guess for non ios users is that 1. If the victim doesn’t have ios device then the stalker won’t be able to get a location because well the airtag needs an ios device to tell the servers it’s current location. On a second thought. Crazy ex can still log my routine and stalk me. Airtag tells all the ios devices while I’m on the road
@@meshoverflow2150 Whatever it is, even if you have an iOS device, the tracker will only notify you once you get home.... So by the time you discover the AirTag on you, the stalker would have known your home address....
@@shuttzi9878 Psycho gfs and stalkers havent been waiting for AirTags though. You can get a gps tracker from Aliexpress for 15 $ which can transmit your location to any phone for 100 days or more. They even magnetically attack to the bottom of the car.
It’s actually being reported that girls on my campus are finding them hidden in their cars. Like someone open the bumper and hid it in there. The only reason they knew was that they were alerted on their phone.
Here's what apple can do so let the airtag buyer be person A and the person whom A wants to stalk be person B. (He/she can be the victim of stalking or maybe the thieve ) If the Airtag get itself apart from person A for more than 2 kms or more let the Airtag notify person A that it's missing and to find it within 2hrs after the notification given to person A and if person A fails to collect airtag and let it know that it has found it then make the airtag be invisible (do not give person B notification yet) for 12 hrs and later give person A another notification that airtag is again available and you can find it again. Another case - Now if the airtag is within 2 kms don't notify the person B and see if the person A is chasing the airtag (using something idk what )for more than 3 kms then make the Airtag notify person B. Hence the problem is solved for Apple users.
And what if someone was at their job working long hours and their stuff legitimately has been stolen and they don’t notice until they get off way more than 2 hours later.
@@emotionaldistress Hmm . What you can do is make it clear to prioritize between work and the stuff with Airtag is attached to . And if you notice it after 2 hrs then as I said give notification again after more than 6hrs later from the first notification. And make it visible again for 2 hrs and this time if you fail to collect airtag give notification to person B that you have an airtag alongside you.
first alert, 1 hour in "hey unknown airtag, are you borrowing this?" second alert, 1 day later, "hey just want to keep you in the loop some bros airtag is with you and it aint yours homie" third alert 2 day later, " ayo i would take out that battery"
Another argument would be, what if the item is stolen? I don’t want the thief be notified on their iPhone that an unknown airtag is around them. It will cause them to look for the airtag and than toss it.
I'm Starting A petition to get rid of this Product. Its already being used in the wrong way too much. People who don't have iPhones are totally unaware that their rights are being violated by this device !
They need to have it for a full day at least. I have them set up on my lawn equipment. Had 1k of equipment stolen from me in the middle of the night. 1hr isn't long enough.
What if you are inside a place (like a cinema) in the near future with an airtag you didn’t own, do all iphone users inside the cinema receives a notification?
You cant blame Apple if someone used an AirTag for stalking. That would be like blaming knife manufacturers for stabbings or blaming rope manufacturers for kidnapping. Shitty people are going to do shitty things with products designed for good.
There has to be "Scan airtags" option so you can check if theres airtags near you so you can check if theres someones airtags attached to you. For android users there someone have to make an app also that scans tags.
It's a super weird situation, gun manufacturers aren't liable if someone uses their product for murder. Is Apple responsible if someone uses their product maliciously?
From various tests that have been going around, it seems that for iPhone users it throws the notification once a ‘significant location’ is reached. For non iPhone users though, yeah it’s three days when it starts making a noise. Still problematic, but less so for iPhone users: that’s Apple 😆
How about Apple adding a setting in IOS to allow the user to setup up when they are notified by time, distance or immediately, whether they own an air tag or not?
or allow the person to turn off their own notifications. not the owner of the airtag, but the person with it. if they don't want the notifications just turn them off. if they're borrowing something from a friend they already know there's an airtag. imo the notifications being "annoying" if someone let's you borrow something is NOTHING especially when people are using it to STALK PEOPLE. let people be annoyed or let them turn off their notifications. don't wait 3 days to tell someone they're being tracked tf
So you have friends in the car and you get notifications after one hour for each one? That’s stupid. Or you’re in class and every air tag is going to notify you after an hour in a class? Can’t believe you guys don’t think more.
i actually have a solution for this: if your aritag is on whatever you lost, it will notify you first and will give you one hour time limit to start heading towards your stuff, because you would want to retreive it and your device will be able to tell if you are going that direction. if after one hour and the owner does not start approaching the airtag or contact the police, it will then be considered stalking and do whatever it does.
But what if the owner does not sees the notification before it's too late..... And 1 hour time ends.... Not only now he have to suffer the loss of his good but also face false charges of stalking
The largest problem I have with your "solution" is that is creates another problem. You can't have a solution create more problems. Your new problem would be, well what if i don't have time to go to where ever the airtag is located? I just lose my stuff because I am a busy person? that's not right. Yes, I want to retrieve my stuff, but not always can you get it at the immediate moment.
I don't think 1 hour is realistic, the owner might not check their phone notification that frequently, even if they do, they might not be able to head towards or notice the police within 1 hour therefore if someone forget their airtags in a library, after an hour, everybody in the library get the notification which is not a good idea. Another problem with this is that as long as the stalker is heading toward the stalkee, it will not be considered stalking which is not good. Lastly, it is not that easy to know if you are heading toward the airtag or not especially if the airtag is moving. If you have unlimited battery then it is easy but you don't in this case.
Best thing they can do is give notification in 2 hours for the airtag which belongs to someone in your contact and they should notification in half an hour for unknown apple user
Ironically, I've been interested in exactly the reason that there is a concern! I live near the Texas/Mexican border and just purchased a new F150. With the incidents of car/truck thefts being high here, combined with the vast apple network being so much greater than Tile I thought that it would be a great way to keep track of my truck if it was stolen...
It can’t be instant or an hour for theft reasons. If someone steals my backpack from my car with it in it and I’m asleep... they will be notified, find the air tag and throw it out. Probably a good reason for the 3 day rule. Maybe 2 days?
But if they know airtags exist they can just look for it and throw it out. They don't need to get notified just assume everyone has an airtag. Or empty the bag into another bag and toss yours.
@@happytoberu Not really a maybe if this is a know aspect of the tag. If someone steals your bag the will look for a tag. But this isn't made for that though it's just to find your lost keys or bag not stolen property. What they dropped the ball on was the anti-tracking thing.
Government is tracking you 24/7. Also, this technology has existed in slightly larger devices for years. You can get gps trackers which wont announce to you on amazon cheap.
Every iPhone user should have the option of when to be notified if there’s an Airtag nearby for a certain amount of time. iPhone users should also be notified if an Airtag is nearby in more than one location they go to.
what about when you live in an apartment building and you go on a week vacation and leave some airtags at home… do the people in the surrounding apts get notifications? I think that adding some modes to specify “device being shared”, “person on vacation away from items” statuses might be helpful for the owner to specify how its being used at the current moment would make it easier to do hourly notifications… like yes simplicity is good but also provide the good owners with more options so that the bad owners can be more easily determined.
But if someone wants to stalk you they could buy gps trackers for around the same price that won’t notify you. These devices have been around a long time
Imagine someone getting kidnapped and the only way to find them is an airtag that’s only active for 5 minutes. PS: the kidnapper gets a notification after 5 minutes and beats the crap out of Batman
A notification in an hour means it’s useless for tracking something stolen. So if I steal a backpack, and I get a notification in an hour, then I look for the airtag to remove and keep the stolen goods.
There are a lot of people that go to work the same way as you, or work next to you . You will get way to many notifications within an hour. But I would say 12 hours of perfect for getting that notification.
My Fiancé’s airtag was around me for less than an hour and I got notified that “unknown item” was near me. This video needs more views because of how informative it really is.
Y’all are correct with the Android aspect of air tags but it’s nice to know that it will beep after three days of being next to you. As for iPhone users it’s a mystery because I’ve been told three different times and stories.
@@dtaanic yes but think of the amount of iPhone users that android user with the planted airtag will pass in proximity to. Whoever is tracking you is surely going to have enough data to narrow down where you are.
The part of this situation that I find ironic is that if the FBI wanted to plant a device on a criminals car, they would probably need a warrant but Apple ( and its customers) seem to be above the law. Forget about taking out the battery if you find one, rather get on a Greyhound bus, shove it down the seat cushion and let the owner track you all the way to St. Louis 😂
Law enforcement is already covertly using Apple's Find My network for surveillance. And why not? It offers them plausible deniability. Anyone could have purchased and planted that tracker.
if you gave an hour during that time you wouldn't even realize that you miss a certain thing, such as a bike, and in a moment the thief gets the message, so he knows what to look for.
As from a coders peresfective. Its actually easy to solve. What we would do is, we could controll it by your Iphones settings, where you could choose when you want to get notified. Lets say some after 5 minutes. some after 30 seconds. and others after 10 days. The thing is. If you get like 30 seconds standing in a mall. Youd be notified by so many devices which would be ultra annoying. it should be setable by your own iphone since its connected to its connection.
Perhaps apple can come with a “check out system “if you let someone use an item wit one of your airtags. As far as tracking a person maybe let the user decide in their setting how long the notification of a foreign tag alerts you. In this setting the user could decide by time or by distance.
Several ways I think this dilemma can be improved upon: 1) Allow users to select the frequency/sensitivity of the notifications. Those who are super concerned about possible tracking can choose to be notified every 30 mins if they want to vs those who are less concerned can choose every day. 2) Distance based algorithms should be considered, if not already. If an unknown airtag is planted inside your purse (very close) to your iPhone, you should be alerted sooner than if it was a person sitting next to you on the bus with their airtag “accidentally traveling” with you. 3) Allow the option for airtag to be used/tracked in the same family sharing network so they don’t produce a bunch of false negatives
This is so dangerous to the public… I can see the lawsuits coming. Can you imagine someone putting this on your vehicle without your knowledge to track you for three unsuspecting days to commit crimes of theft a vehicle or perhaps rape, domestic violence, kidnapping etc.??? Can you imagine your privacy being violated to the degree that you have no knowledge of it for three whole days and quite frankly even 30 minutes is too long not to know that a device have been planted on you or your vehicle without your knowledge.
All Apple would need to do is create the ability to temporarily "assign" your air tag to a new user for a set amount of time. That would eliminate the notification for that set amount of time.
Personally, i feel like this is made a lot safer by a software patch that does a few things. 1. Have it able to be set by your phone when you get notified youre being followed by an AirTag. Have the settings be, like, 1hr, 12hrs, 1 day, 3 days, never. 2. If your registered AirTag is away from you for over 1 day, it begins telling every iPhone it comes in range of that it is missing every 30 minutes or something. 3. If you are borrowing a known individual’s belongings that have an AirTag on them, you can “approve” an AirTag by both individuals accepting a notification on both their phones
Personally I think they should never have put the airtags out at all. We managed without them before ... this seems to create more problems than solutions.
Ask the owner of the air tag if the item was stolen. If they say yes, the location is locked down and can only be unlocked by law enforcement. If they say no, it alerts the other person. Simple
I think one way they can do this is that, the Tags will not do anything as long as the user that left it or that forgot it did not look for it. Meaning when they want to look for it (Sorry for those who are androids but) they say that they will use other iPhone to locate it. In that regard. Before the location can be sent, the owner of the iPhone that found it or what will be first asked if it is ok to send the location of the tag. Yeh, you can say that someone will troll or be rude or something and will not accept but also remember in that regard there are also who are good and will help so eventually someone will accept that. That is for the ones that left or forgot there stuff unintentionally. In that way, you know you can be safe that no one can track you because you need to accept it first and besides you can call them before anything else and you know some stuff about them. Also, regarding with the annoying notifs, it will only do that if someone wants to try to locate that specific tag. Those who lose some stuff. Well about the stealing. The only thing I can think of is that most of the time when someone stole some stuff of yours and most likely it's somewhat recent. Meaning you can alert the tag on that moment also can maybe track it with your own phone at that very second that it stolen. Still though it is hard to think how they can deal with the stolen one. I know the stolen/stalking one is very much flawed. It is so hard how to deal with that because if you give someone the power to tag it as "Stolen Item" someone can also use it to stalk someone HUUHHUH but I think the lost one is somewhat safe in a way. I don't see a flaw so far. Let me know though if ever there's one.
I got one of those "unwanted tracking notifications", and to rectify the information, as of 4th of January, AirTags will wait 8 hours before sending you a notification.
@laterclips what if when the airtag is not moving nothing happens. However when the airtag is away from the iphone and on the move it beeps 2 hours later ( buffer time ) every 5 minutes so everyone would know if they are being tracked regardless of having iphone android or no phone.