Apple, I'm done 

When their products are so shiny, expecting people to vote with their wallet is a stretch. Sometimes when I tell people on here that I upgraded the SSD on my ASUS S13 (from 512 GB to 4 TB) I find some RU-vid commenters dismiss me as poor because it cost me 1/5 the price Apple would charge & refusing on principle to not pay for ludicrously overpriced upgrades is unconscionable in their eyes. Oh well.

@@Lee.S321 "dismiss me as poor" i see no problem being seen as poor.

I did. Mac laptop user for 20+ years. Framework 16 arriving in a few weeks.

@@worldoflonelyfool It's not being thought of as poor (i'm not) that bothers me, it's the mentality of some people to overpay for the sake of overpaying, seemingly just to be able to tell people you overpaid for something & look down on those who didn't/wouldn't. That's the thing I can't get my head around.

that's the only thing apple respects.. buy used and fuck this shit!!

May I ask how you’re verified with only 5 Subscribers??

Yeah. Soldered CPU/GPU/SoC? That tracks, the slot takes up real-estate that you just don't have on a laptop and by virtue of being by far the most expensive thing on a board, it's not like replacing just the SoC is a significant saving. Soldered memory? There is a bit of performance you can get from that. It's extremely iffy, has the very serious downside of your RAM dying forcing you to replace your whole board with the SoC, but if you really squint I guess that maybe you can make an argument for this not only being a cash grab. But soldered storage? The gains are nonexistent, the downside of having to replace everything else if the storage dies stays but additionally, if anything at all dies on the board, your data is effectively gone. Obviously there are services that can recover it, but these can be incredibly costly, results aren't guaranteed and if you really need your data now, you're just out of luck. It takes a minor issue of taking out your storage and plugging it into another machine and turns it into a a massive headache for absolutely no benefit to the user. But as long as people keep buying that stuff, they have zero reason to change. This isn't a new issue. Jobs was the guy who put custom screws on the first Macs so that it was really hard to open and work on them, at a time when users would in fact be ready to solder on their own parts

read my comment and tell me if i am wrong please

I’m seeing that in the overall laptop market. Dell/HP/Lenovo are all soldering parts onto their motherboard.

@@FastGuy1it’s fake I think, just a symbol

this is a highly original opinion that I have never heard before

@@john_mega A hit dog will holler.

they lost me.

​@@john_megaso what. Your opinion isn't original either

LMAO good one mate. :D :D

You're not taking into consideration a few differences. They generally earn more money than we do, and their increased dollar value is across the board. Meaning yes, the exchange rate may raise the cost of a computer from $2,500 to $2,600, but so too is it the same for income. If they're you're taking home $1,000 per week and their income is the same per se', they're taking home $1,200 or so. Exchange rates apply to all money, not just what you buy. Besides, they tend to have larger discretional incomes as well due to many of the things we pay for exuberantly being included for free in their system. Sadly, the U.S., despite it still producing the largest amount of cash per year, we've lost the highest standard of living rating years ago. Our income disparity is grossly out of whack and is now reducing overall income as a result. Which is why, despite our unemployment numbers being as low as they were in the 1950s (we've been fully employed for over year now ranging between 3.4 and 3.9 percent). Yet we're not experiencing the same kind of spending boom. People are not making the kind of money their great grandparents did (considering inflation) back then. Speaking of inflation; Forbes released a study proving that the reason industries across the nation hiked their prices, so high these past two years had nothing to do with the higher cost of labor, supply and distribution issues, etc. They intentionally raised their pricing hiding behind the fact that inflation existed. It is so bad, that Forbes determined that 56% of the inflation rate was due directly to that. All the while, industry after industry companies were reporting record high profits. Greed, and we paid it gleefully without complaint, or action. In my day? There would have been protests blocking the entrances to shopping plaza parking lots and other tactics. Today? I can't figure it out, such lazy complacency. Heck, there would have been screaming for congressional industry wide hearings. Now all we care about are... well really. What do we care about? Anything at all but ourselves? I'm at a loss with that one. So, when comparing economic situations between nations it is rarely apples and oranges. In fact, it is a lot like comparing an Apple to a PC.

You think 50% more is expensive? Try buying a Mac in Brazil. It's literally double the price. Just for comparison, the base model MacBook Air M3 with 8gb of ram and 256gb of storage costs $2508 US Dollars. The RAM upgrade from 8gb to 16Gb costs $399.81, and the same price goes to storage upgrades. The minimum wage in Brazil is R$1412 or $282.26 US dollars. It's insane, and it's no wonder I don't ever see anyone using a Mac

@@euuIgor Yikes! Wouldn’t be surprised if there’s extremely high taxes for those sorts of products that are imported to Brazil while a ton of US and Canadian game developers, film studios and animation studios are extremely dependent on cheap labour from remote workers like digital concept illustrators who are based in Brazil.

What kinds surprised me (and I know largely it’s that Apple knows people will pay) is that Apple doesn’t simply spec their base models out with (at least) 512GB SSD 16GB RAM, and offer decent prices for higher storage and ram. Their quality/value of their product would blow the competition away so much that they’d probably see a further increase in sales overall.

It’s not just the price, they don’t even stock potential upgrades in store, so if you want something with decent storage and RAM the day you walk into the store, you’re forced up the upgrade ladder.

@@l.g.4425 i can run macos on my pc right now. the only reason people have to pay the apple tax is because of casuals who want to look like they have more than the $30 they have in their bank accounts

Consumers? Lol.

@@SweetSweetCandyBoyzSorry for the massive comment I’m just really pissed. So I agree with what you said except they don’t even sell the upgrades in store. Two examples of this: First, I’ve been trying to get a new MacBook Pro locally since launch day. I can’t go to Best Buy and get an M3 Pro in higher than base configuration. And I can’t get an M3 Max in ANY configuration according to the app. In ANY store in the state of NE. A Best Buy rep told me outright that they weren’t allowed to by Apple, who provided the products they wanted to see on the floors. Why?? Secondly, once again Best Buy, but also Target, Walmart, everywhere… won’t let you WALK OUT THE STORE with a new iPhone without connecting it to either AT&T or Verizon, sometimes T-Mobile. Wtf?! I’m trying to throw my money at you! But I’m on Mint and I don’t plan to change so that means you’ve lost my business. However, I think I figured it out. In the first case, Apple doesn’t WANT you to get the best or highest tier devices, as they know you’ll likely keep them for years. They prefer the planned obsolescence forcing you to upgrade. And if you do insist on whatever it takes to get the highest tier? That’ll be $4000 please. Now for the second case, I believe either Apple or the stores themselves are approached by the carriers and offered large incentives to force activation of all devices prior to finalizing purchase. That way you have to go with one of those two (sometimes three) Big Wireless. And even when you have something like Verizon unlocking all phones 60 or 80 days after purchase or whatever it is, are you really going to want to go through the process of switching carriers immediately? Your service is “good enough anyway”… Gotcha. And now Apple and Best Buy take a decent cut.

Their greenwashing is 100% bs. All just an excuse to really just save their bottom line. No charging bricks with iPhones? Even on the new USB-C models? Get real

the value is only there for the base model or there refurbs. otherwise ya its crazy dumb the prices

Despite being an Apple fanboy I agree with everything you said Apple will never win the respect of the hardcore PC buyer market until they couple their revolutionary silicon, and great software, with similarly great RAM and SSD configs and pricing! If you’ve lived your whole life swapping huge drives into your computers on the cheap, why would you “upgrade” to a computer that charges you two or three times as much for half the RAM and a quarter of the storage?! Which is more important, performance per watt, or being able to Have room to actually store all your files on your computer?

@Epicgamer_Mac And with how much of a walled garden Apple insists on, a lot of open source devs just won't bother with directly supporting Apple silicon without the use of pre configured build targets. To my knowledge, Pytorch and Tensorflow are still pretty flaky on Macs.

@@Epicgamer_Mac The real story with upgradeable storage is portability when you upgrade everything else! I've had a 1tb Samsung 950 pro that's lived in 4 different computers over the years and now continues to serve in an external USB enclosure.

I was without a computer for a month while visiting family over the holidays. I swapped a new SSD into my mother's 8 year old laptop, and it was more than usable for the video work I was doing. Really annoying that I can't do the same with my MacBook 😢

@@kirkydaturkey depends on what year Macbook. I'm still holding onto my Macbook Pro mid 2012 with upgradable storage and Ram. It's the last generation of easy self upgradable components. I upgraded my hard drive to an SSD. I want a new Macbook but overpaying for upgrade has made me reconsider if I need that upgrade. As for now my Macbook still does what I need it to do but I wouldn't mind the new features. It's Apple lost that I haven't made the jump.

ill better pay more than use Windows

​@@MESSY-AFI'll pay nothing and use Linux Mint.

@Trensharo. It's true that the 2012 MacBook wouldn't be ideal for everyone, especially for heavier creative work. But for basic tasks it does a great job. For users like me who don't need a powerhouse, it gets the job done. Luke does a great job outlining that getting older machine can be a great bargain based on the cost and performance. Of course, if I future-proofed for creative endeavors like VM machines or coding, I'd definitely upgrade to a machine with more muscle. My main gripe is the base configuration's measly 8GB RAM. It feels like Apple kneecaps users with that spec, forcing them to jump to a higher tier for just a bit more wiggle room.

Apple is a bully.

I'm sorry but their IOS and OS X platform is lacking. Don't believe me, just look at how many tutorials on how to add music from a Macbook to iPhone there is online.... Now that's telling!

The platform sucks 😂 so closed off to any sort of customisation and because it's so closed you have no idea about telemetrics being taken

@@misterpara5754 every system is lacking in some fields though. Most things are easier on mac comparing to Windows or Linux.

@@rafadydkiemmacha7543definitely agree Apple 🍎 is a bully

Will do the same, I will get a Framework running Linux as my next machine. Either the AMD or even better, a Qualcomm ARM by then. Apple needs to take a lesson for treating it's customers so bad

I am going to do the same as well. Framework will be my next laptop. I love Linux and use it more than Mac OS now anyway.

That's exactly what I did. I still have my M1 base MBA, but I picked up a Framework i7 in '22. It's barely thicker than the MBA. I overkilled it with 64GB RAM and 2TB M.2 storage. I'm running Linux as well. I upgraded the lid to the stiffer CNC lid and I have the 80db speakers waiting to go in when I get home. I wish Framework made smartphones because I would buy one in a second. I escaped Apple's walled garden except for their stock.

Apple sucks.

This. Now all we have to do is get rid of having to use MS Office + Teams and we have an almost perfect world

I bought a cheap Mac Mini M1 for my macOS work and a windows PC for everything else. Why to spend 2k to 3k to have a very limited Mac, if I can have a good cheap Mac and an excellent PC for everything

never defend corporations

⁠@@ricarmigExactly what I’m going to do when i have the money, i’m undeniably an apple fanboy, iphone and macbooks all the way, but I’ll never buy a iMac or Mac pro if i have a choice

​@@aintrxidenbe a fan of what works not a logo. I can't with apple fans

@@Kmodoe Amen

I still run my 2012 model as my DJ and music production machine. It shows it's age when running a project with a lot of tracks and effects, but the DJ software is relatively light since I mostly spin MP3s and WAVs

Not even mentioning the flexibility of running boot camp and having the best of both worlds on one machine.

that too. Bootcamp helped me run Windows games while overseas. @@ValTek_Armory

too little too late......speaking out isnt enough.......stop buying them. If it cant be fixed or upgraded easily then dont buy it.

@@christopher480 Exactly they helped create this by shilling blind tribalism and letting Apple become peak anti consumer.

@@christopher480 Waiting for the EU to begin cracking down on this problem too

Would be nice to see them rerefurbed by some Alibaba seller into a mega-Pi or something. The cpu and ram is still usable after all

@@Demopans5990 All closed sources. Youd see Jesus born again first before Apple releases development tool and blobs/drivers for their hardware

worst part is that m2/m3 storage is serialized. M1 storage wasn't. Apple literally knows what they're doing.

but you wouldn’t throw electronics away surely it would get recycled which is what apple wants to happen. it shouldn’t be the option tho stuff should be easy to upgrade or be cheaper

its called greenwashing, and all companies who claim to care about the environment do it

As long as sheeple are buying, they are good 👍

well that's called capitalism baby

This issue has existed for years, I think this issue is already priced into the stock.

I used to have the same dilemma but consumers eat it up

Explain as a stockholder how Apple is going to make more money by making the storage upgrades cheap? Apple's issue is that their SOC's are actually too fast meaning people on M1 don't even feel like their machines are the least bit slow. This was never the case in the Intel days.

It should make you happy that they have a loyal customer base that will pay the price.

@@vlcthefishmaybe they’d n make more

My Dell Latitude D630 from 2006 has more storage than that (yes, it is an SSD.) Quite honestly, the soldered on storage and RAM thing really bothers me. Really, that should be more of a cost cutting measure which should be passed on to the consumer, but this is apple we are talking about.

@@WalterKnox The memory is different issue, as it is die bonded directly to the CPU, but yes, the storage is a big issue to power users - maybe a hint to who they feel their customer base is...

​@@yestertechnet It doesn't matter the justifacation, the memory should be user up-gradable as well. I would sort of be okay with it if it were a $200 Wal-Mart Chromebook, but if you are paying apple money, I want something that is going to last for years and be upgradable. Especially pro grade machines. I am still using a mac pro from 2009, which is only possible because it is hugely upgradable. Same thing with my 2011 macbook pro, and 2010 mac mini. I also have a 2011 iMac which had a failed GPU, and if it were a modern machine, it would have gone into the trash, but because it is older, the graphics card could be replaced easily.The move to soldered on and integrated parts is quite honestly disgusting, and people justifying it is as well. I don't care how thin and light it is able to make a machine, it is in reality a cost cutting measurement as well as insuring that the consumer will have no choice but to buy a new computer after a couple of years because they are stuck with the factory configuration. It is not just an Apple issue, however like many other stupid tech trends which make things have less functionality but are "for the greater good" I guess, Apple is the worst and the leader in it.

@@yestertechnet I don't think it suggests their customer base are people who don't need storage... I think it suggests they know that their customers who buy their computers to do heavy workflows, can afford to pay 4x markup for storage and (idk how much)X markup for ram, as they make good money anyway.

Even worse, doing that knowing full well what you're getting into. lol

How are you liking it?

​@@_shreyash_anandI love it! I have no regrets.

Greed is a hell of a drug

you don't become a trillion dollar company by being nice to your customers.

It’s not quite greed. They are playing the long game. If they drop prices then people will shop on price, so they have to emphasize value. There are hundreds of hardware companies who went out of business once because of pricing and not focusing on value. Gateway, compaq, machines, and HP. The real problem is their M1 is too good. Less than 20% actually need an M1 Pro and less than 10% need an M1 Max. Scale to M2 and it’s in the mid single digits. Now scale to M3 and it’s low single digits. How many companies make a v1 product that’s so good very few people can take advantage of v2 or v3?

@@timbukstu9861Did you estimate these numbers or did someone do any math on this? It sounds perfectly right to me but I would be interested to watch/read about this in more detail :)

They have more free cash lying around than any company on Earth, don't they?

very true, the wholesale price for millions of units, will cut the price by at least 30%

@@skeennah1927 and no need to make a whole nvme board, just get two chips. the chips alone are probably $10-20 if you buy them in bulk

read my comment and tell me if i am wrong please

Hate to tell you that even the most foolish of legislators won’t attempt to tell a company how to price its products and services. The market will decide if Apple’s pricing is out of line not Luke’s infantile videos. If you don’t like, or can’t afford, Apple laptops & desktops, simply buy a PC. There are many great ones out there for far less than Apple products cost. I don’t have a problem with the pricing of Apple products & don’t mind spending more for the specifications I want. I do have a problem with fools like Luke who whine about the pricing but keep buying the products. Move on man, get over it already.

@@hynekd nah, you’re making an excuse for a large tech company to limit their hardware and overprice said hardware for its users. for what? sure, market dictates what the market wants… that’s what this is all there is under the guise of competing with different brands, anyway, right? however, the market didn’t ask for a unified piece of soldered hardware, where you don’t have a safety net when 1 or 2 of those soldered components get broken. this was patented by the tech company with little workaround on options for people to salvage its part for repair. clearly, it’s not an ideal world. those foolish legislators you say have managed to push for apple to switch their cables to a universal standard and look at where we are now, we have an iphone that adheres to a universal standard port for portability, use-case and even impacting a good on the environment a little bit. it’s little but it’s progress. staying mum about these type of issues only lets tech companies get away with these things instead of championing the rights of users with the devices that they own. also, what are you losing if you voice out complaints on the products that you buy, i don’t get it? you’re not losing your dignity by making reasonable arguments as a consumer that ram and storage prices in devices shouldn’t be priced this way, anyway?

LMAO @ the most nonsensical statement of 2024. HILARIOUS!!! 😄😁😆

@@aiconic10 I'm glad I could be of service for your own entertainment! 😉😄

APPLES BECOME A'' RIP OFF COMPANY'' --AND I LOVE AND USE MAC PROS AND ITS DESKTOPS I SPENT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO APPLE...--- NO MORE ---

Well dell is working on a project that should fix it CAM memory. It’s basically m.2 but ram.

And to replace processor!!! Don't forget that as well!

yep. amazing it took the EU not US consumers or US Congress to force Apple into sanity on the lightening issue. i was bitten by it the other day. was carrying dozens of USB-C cables on me but my car lightning cable was charging slower than the iphone was sucking power and it kept bottoming out at “0%”. had a few usb-c to lightening cables on me but couldn’t find a spare USB-A to lightening to use with my cigarette lighter usb-A socket

Hopefully, the EU will lead the way towards forcing Apple to adopt change. Lord knows this legislation won't come from the United States.

@@Milos596 Ah, replaceable processors would have some extra problems. Biggest issue is it would make the machines thicker because a socketed processor takes up more space. Not so much of a problem for myself as I'm not so comfortable with machines that are too thin but the market seems hell bent on paper-thin hardware. Legislation like theEU's mandate for USB-C may not turn out as well as one might think. For one thing, it may prevent the development of even better replacements. And the USB specifications have become such a mess that the USB-C you have for one device may *still* not be quite adequate for another. A great idea done with the best of intentions (and you can see from ru-vid.com/group/PLBuns9Evn1w9XhnH7vVh_7C65wJbaBECK how well that often turns out).

I couldn't agree more.

Everything that depends on me, they won’t get my money. I bought a decent windows laptop for most demanding stuff. It’s cheaper than just having a Mac with upgrades…

Feeling that majorly right now. I recently purchased a fantastic Windows desktop PC for $700, with excellent specs from Micro Center - with all off the shelf parts. Now, I’m considering getting a laptop from Apple (again, after years away)…and wow what a sticker shock it was/is. I just cannot justify it. May actually look second hand

You could buy a refurbished Mac from apple, that would help you save on cost, especially if you have an Apple Card, you can get 3% back

Does the right to repair with apple not bother you? Apple will tell you to pound sand if your device has a failure.

Don't need to buy a Mac

Going through the exact same situation. My 2015 Intel Pro runs great as an every day computer, but for design work (which is what I bought it for) it's struggling to keep up these days. I'm happy to pass it on to a family member or friend as I've been eyeing an upgrade since the M1 release, but I can't justify the price of upgrading to any of the new MBPs with even the bare minimum configurations I need. Considering either the used market or just building a PC for the home office and keeping the 2015 MBP for travel because the sticker shock when ordering directly through Apple is just not it. Love Apple, but have been really tired of seeing the direction they've been going in for a while now.

Yep thats the reason i will not buy a macbook.

Louis Rossman shows that it burns out the board if the SSD fails, and even if it doesnt you can't even boot from another drive. It seems like its intended to end the whole device. SSDs have limited life anyway so why else solder it in?

@@CampervanCookout Money. Why fixing the issue when customers can just buy a new one?

Best way to go. About 10-15 years ago I bought an Alienware M15 laptop. It was insanely priced, kinda like Apple products. But highly customizable, even to do yourself. It literally took unscrewing 4 screws to get it opened up, and everything you could possibly think of to upgrade or repair was easily accessible, as if they ENCOURAGED people to do their own repairs and upgrades. I eventually upgraded my ram, and hard drive in a matter of minutes. I miss that computer. It's outdated now, I gotta see if I can find a motherboard I can put into it compatible with current components.

+1000000

I completely agree that something needs to be done so any electronic device lasts longer. But you know what will happen? Apple will put the price up of the MacBook. But yep something needs to happen.

Yeh still don’t understand why both are soldered on in the first place.

It hurts performance & efficiency. They just need to make the upgrades cheap.

Damn I literally just commented the same before seeing your comment!

absolutely

Correct. The base prices are “loss leaders”.

Finally, someone gets it. All these shitty “tech RU-vidrs” can go on here and market apple as selling “Amazing laptops for only X starting price,” but 256GB storage and 8GB memory is a joke even for non-power users. Thats wretchedly horrendous value for a product that has an extremely limited use life due to its specs and the fact that the parts cannot ever be upgraded.

@@danielseddon3177 not even sure if they are loss leaders per se, they probably still make money on those… but maybe harder to determine because depends on if you use costs to develop (and produce) that 1 model as the basis or if you count R&D for future models into it.

@@Ultrajamzyes, I’m sure there isn’t really a loss. The main benefit to them will also likely be greater market reach and therefore a reduction in the costs you mention.

indeed

Interesting fact

No computers base model should START with 256GB period. 10 years ago, sure… 2024? Hell no.

@@bout2cooku425 same with 8GB of RAM. Imagine selling a laptop with "Pro" in its name and offering a base config with 8GB RAM lmao

Right lol. I got my external 1TB SSD for $100

Well, people are buying...

Any business model has a purpose of making money for the company and NOT what is best for the customers. In this case their business model works perfectly well for Apple.

That's crazy, because back then 256gb was real big. Most people back then were buying a 64gb SSD.

and those 2012 were still upgradeable. also they came stock with 8gb with ram on those which is still the base configuration even 12 years later...

As a stockholder, you want them to make as much as they can.

@@michvod Yes I still run mine with a 2TB OWC SSD.

@@walkingtheearthin4k Who knows, maybe more people would buy if these machines were upgradable.

They've been doing it for ages. This is why I love my mid-range Samsung Galaxay phone with microsd card slot

@@manoz6194 They've been doing it for ages, but back in the day we at least had ways to upgrade things on our own. Now they literally make it impossible. No they need to get shamed into shape.

What are you on about. They have always been the damn same, its just silly slogans that peabrained normies fall for. They ALWAYS did the same anticonsumer anti-right to repair nonsense.

What are you talking about?? Apple has always been the most expensive in anything, while providing less than anyone else, who've also always done it for far less money?? Total confusion about your comment.

They were never good, remember "you are holding your phone wrong?"

An Apple was always the bohemian computing device for people who can and want to afford it. People always paid extra for the brand, already back in the 80s. The very first Mac had about the same specs as the Amiga and was more than twice as expensive.

Apple, Do Less at a premium price.

The worst thing isn't the upselling. It the fact that if you don't upgrade, your laptop becomes obsolete quicker, and apple still wins.

Same here!

A 15inch air with 16gb ram and 1 tb ssd is 2080€ or 2270$ here in Germany!

Yeah it's the old adage do you want 80% of something or 100% of nothing?

I did the same thing and found a previous year 16 inch model refurbished for 1000$ off on Amazon, from 2800 to 1800. Not sure if the deals are there right now but it's always worth checking for refurbished.

Same. I refuse to spend 200 bucks for 8 bloody gigs of ram or laughable 256gb of extra storage

read my comment and tell me if i am wrong please

They don’t, and they won’t, because people are buying

Yes, it took Luke to point this out. Most of us who follow, or followed, him have grown tired of his BS whining. His business acumen is poor and his message is at best childish. Grow up Luke.

@@hynekd the more who state that, the better.

I'm a huge Apple fanatic, but I agree that you really can't beat good old Linux for many applications and basic tasks. You definitely won't get anything super fancy (e.g. UI, features, apps, cross-platform convenience, aesthetics, security/privacy, etc. etc.) but you will get something that works, is silent, and gives you access to countless open-source, by-the-people-for-the-people software. And you also have your choice of which Linux OS you desire based on your specific needs. Oh, and the vast majority of it is 100% free which benefits countless people all over the world. 💯 But there's no need to limit yourself to just Apple or just Linux... I like to have many different technologies and systems to keep me as tech-savvy as possible. 💎 Just no Microsoft. Never Microsoft. I've has absolutely horrendous experiences with Microsoft to the point where I will never support this company ever again. 👎

Exactly. So why would Apple change anything? Would be stupid for them to stop.

I agree. I've been an iPhone/iPad user since the beginning, but I just can't justify Macs in their current state, these prices are just unfair.

honestly, and this is so funny, I've actually made the correct decision when I bought my 16" M1 Pro MacBook Pro earlier this year. The M2s just came out and I was deciding between the M2 and M1, which would've been a price difference of roughly $300. Only a month or so ago I saw a video comparing M1 Pro, M2 Pro and M3 Pro models for DAWs (digital audio workstations) and guess what? In most professional DAWs (Logic, Pro Tools and some others) the M1 Pro outperforms the other chips due to having more performance cores and those DAWs utilizing those exclusively. What a time to be alive when a 2 year old computer beats the current one.

Thank you for that tip. My eyeballs were spinning from indecision.

this is a stupid reason and shows you dont know what you're doing if you wanted freedom but still bought Apple in the first place.

@@SmellsLikeNirvanna No it's not a stupid reason when you consider the fact that when your Apple product develops a fault, Apple will tell you that it's more expensive to have it repaired than to buy a new one. You're either on the Apple payroll or you don't know what you're talking about yourself, so which is it ?

@@eastlondonhustler read my comment again. Which part tells you that I am an Apple Fanboy? LOL. Is English your second language?

​@@SmellsLikeNirvanna you can't handle the truth

@@aeriskabkr1110 stupid people cannot tell from my comment that Im a PC user

Yup. IMO the pricing wouldn't be so egregious if the baseline models weren't penalty box configs. 8gb memory on a "pro" machine in 2023?? 🖕

@@joelv4495 nah, don't forget that Apple was shipping 8GB as base config in 2012 on their Pro machines, just another 4-5 years and 16 is gonna be standard. Surely...

@@PvtAnonymous Dell, HP, MS and Samsung, et al, shipped 8GB in 2012. Guess what they are still doing it now, as well. Apple gets blasted, but never Windows. Inevitable as Apple is a small player (

@@andyH_England maybe they do, but there's 2 differences: RAM is user upgradable in many of these machines and even if it is soldered, the prices are not as insane as Apple's. This is what Apple really gets blasted for, not the 8GB per se.

@@andyH_EnglandThey do make billions on Macs though, look at their financial statement. They lost market share in 2023 however despite launching 2 generations of silicon.

And even if Windows becomes a problematic os to use, there's always Linux Mint or whatever to make it feel all new and fast again.

read my comment and tell me if i am wrong please

Sadly soldered memory and to a lesser degree storage is more and more of a thing on windows laptops too, especially on lower end ones.

Most buyers of expensive Macs will upgrade every cycle as a new chip means faster performance and time is money. It's a tax-deductible investment that pays for itself many times over. I have seen comparisons for developers between the M1 Max and M3 Max, and the M3 can do it significantly faster. At the top end, SSD and RAM are moot compared to CPU/GPU/co-processors.

​@@Demopans5990Why are you linux users so cringe and always trying to mention it even tho it is not needed? He is likely to have far more problems on linux than on windows and macos

As a PC guy. People who still defend apple I just can't understand

Where?

I have ip12 too and I suppose I will do the same - when it will be very old I will switch to android. With time I will also switch from MacBook M1 Pro to a laptop with windows. I have decided 2 years ago that I will test Apple. After those 2 years I feel that I can safely go back to the better feature with at least not as bad companies as Apple…

i just got the pixel tablet and it works amazing in my home as a google home user

I love a happy ending !

Tip, you can install different launchers to override Android's interface (to some extent). Some even replicate iOS.

This is why I don't buy Apple products. They're too expensive. I can buy a Samsung phone or tablet etc and get more from it than some of these Apple products.

The only way Apple will listen is if customers vote with their wallet, which is unlikely to ever happen, so things won't change. Since the M-series chips came out MacBooks have seen their largest ever cut of market share, & zero upgradability has been a core component of their line-up, so there's no incentive for Apple to change anything.

I always buy refurbished and save some money. I bought a MacBook Pro recently that has upgraded RAM for $450.

The sad truth, from a performance standpoint, soldered components Do provide a bit of an upgrade, so I can see why the industry may follow suit, with everybody SO focused on the even MINUTE bumps in performance. Thankfully though, other Manufacturers have apparently been able to keep those costs competitive. But yeah, there is nothing stopping them from price gouging as well.

Apple's benefit is only the operating system. If Mac OS ran on any computer, people would be installing them on better machines. Not everyone needs so much battery life, we have power sockets here and even airplanes have power sockets these days.

Well. Replied to the wrong person. Was really talking to @williamCox95

​@@JasonTech96you're still buying second hand crap all because of them ripping you off stop being a simp

That's how they made multi trillion dollar company.

I'd never go back to Windows. But Linux exists, is free, and is good enough for what I do.

@@wpj1362 I've tried it and I'm not going back.

Could you please say what MS ruined about Windows? I saw few comments about that but there is no explanation about it I understand if you don't like it and that is personal preference but there are billions of people who like Windows so saying its ruined by MS is ridiculous

@@antonioytm Loads of bloat and the touch centric UI they've been pushing since Windows 8.

@@user-qf6yt3id3w Bloat this, bloat that... people now complain about Ubuntu being bloated so where is end? At that point everything is bloated for some users A bit modern UI doesn't hurt.. you cant live on Windows XP or Windows 7 UI forever it needs a bit of upgrade Windows always get criticism for bloated but when Google bloat their Android together with a vendor which has their own version of Android, UI and apps so you get double bloated its somehow not an issue? From my point of view im more than happy with Windows and Android i use

wont make a difference. apple users will continue to buy apple products.

@@hidingmyrealnameThis is what needs to ultimately change. I'm not 100% sure how or when this will happen though.

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​@@hidingmyrealnameWell Macos have much lower market share compared to last couple of months

Yeah, it works. Instead of the MBA M2 15 M2 with 16GB/512GB, I went with the base MBP M3 Pro.

Truth.

Not every company, check out framework for example. Totally upgradable

I'm patiently waiting for this

An now Apple is considering taking a page from Adobe's playbook and going with a hardware subscription model where you would be on a rental treadmill.

@@daveindezmenez at that point I am swapping to full Android.

@@daveindezmenez Do you have proof?

Newer Thinkpads after T490 models are shifting to full soldered LPDDR4 RAM which limits the upgradability if you want more RAM in the future. T480 is the sweetest spot, as it has everything: 2 RAM slots, upgradable SSD, swappable battery, very good amount of ports, and still officially supported by Windows 11 (Intel Core 8th gen)

@@sihamhamda47 that's the exact Thinkpad that I own. It's great :)

Looks like I found a thinkpad comment just as I was thinking about my thinkpad while looking in the comments section!

Their greedy practices also encourage all other manufacturers (especially in the smartphone space) to follow Apple and do this kinda bs.

The M3 Pro has 18 gigabytes of ram, instead of 16, and it's cheaper than a base M3 macbook pro with a ram and storage upgrade. That's the part that makes no sense to me at all. It makes zero sense to buy a base M3 macbook pro with the pricing and the specs.

Then it won't change; Apple will give up selling unprofitable laptops as it is a tough market where all OEMs are feeling the pain, as consumers demand more and more and are willing to pay less and less.

They already sell basically zero laptops (compared to iPhones). They’re not trying to sell hardware, they’re trying to lock people in to the ecosystem and that’s a whole different playing field.

Any chance you'd be able to point me at that video, please?

Not surprisingly. Apple doesn’t seem to be interested in using cutting edge storage for whatever reason.

Sure but dangling around with a drive on a cord makes your laptop a sit on a countertop and make sure no one disonnects the cable computer.

@@bartvandenpoel8568 Agreed but the point is to show there is nothing special about the SSDs Apple uses. On many Apple forums people will claim that the SSDs that Apple uses are superior to the rest of the market and so the higher price is justified because of superior performance. But if you can boot from an external drive and have speeds on par or better than internal Apple drives, especially after having to go through additional data layers and time delays to connect the drives externally, it shows that Apple internal SSDs aren’t anything special.

I've just posted a similar comment, about why this is suddenly a problem(?).

No

It's a very different game today than it was in the 80s and 90s. Mac computers used to be a bit more expensive than PC:s but they were of such a high quality that it was worth every penny. For graphics and video PC:s were just not an alternative. Macs were also highly expandable, like the 9600 were you had 6 slots for PCI cards. Adding RAM or larger HD:s wasn't more difficult or expensive than doing the same on a PC. Macs kept on being good value for money well into the 2000's, one example are the 27 inch Imacs that didn't cost much more than the screen only. They also offered LOTS of connections (USB, FireWire, Thunderbolt, DVI etc) and they were always built with backwards compatability in mind. Something happened with Apple around 2005, they stopped being the go to computer for creative professionals and became a luxury brand for the wealthy.

@@wilhelmhagberg8854 nevertheless, the price of Apple products has steadily irritated consumers since the mid 80's, and consumers continue to buy. I don't buy the "luxury brand for the wealthy" argument though. The wealthy may have been a good marketing strategy to promote to the larger masses, but it's the masses themselves who have made Apple trillions, not the rich

@@wilhelmhagberg8854 some people may want to think they became a luxury brand for the wealthy, but the vast majority of their profits have been made by the masses, not the top 1%

VERY good point, raised by Louis Rossmann on his channel. The whole Apple thing is wrong, and I'm slowly taking myself away from it.

Have you (somehow) not figured out that all non-enterprise SSDs have their TBW values listed as a WARRANTY amount? There are two standards: TBW and JEDEC endurance. TBW is simple: 1/3/5 year warranty OR a specified TBW value, whichever happens first. JEDEC endurance ratings are when they... you know... actually test the drives to determine the actual endurance. Your SSD should withstand a solid 3x the stated TBW value (in much the same way your engine doesn't blow through the hood of your car at 50,001 miles or 4 years and one day... the warranty just expires.)

@@tim3172 There's a big difference between "should" and "actually does".

It's not only the TBW, some IC'S can fail too the TP62180 for instance and this one shortened your NAND get 12V and is dead, that's why I bought an external drive right away.