Apple is tempting me... - MacBook Pro M3 

it should be illegal.

Well it IS

@@RandomGuy-rz1kq Capitalism.

@@f.i.b3027 Blames "Capitalism" while Capitalism is what is providing you the option to, idk... buy something else from a competitor?

@@Xfacta12482 competition is what allows you get things from competitors. capitalist motives is what drives charging whatever you can get away with (proprietary OS and hardware helps a lot with this.)

They are paying for r&d to put in in one chip.

@@NotYourSpy sure

@@NotYourSpy Except they've been doing this long before developing their own silicon

@@KyleDavis328 and not to mention always skipping the sweet spot for storage on their phones so you have to buy more than you need or go with a bare bones setup.

Get a Dell, Dude !

Instead "starting at..."

I don't think the people who always get the best laptop Apple sells care about prices. There's something like 100k people globally with a net worth of over 100 million dollars who can earn more than $10k in a day on average by just keeping some of their money in an index fund. People who need a laptop for personal use and don't significantly benefit from paying attention to the prices of most things they purchase is a decent sized market nowadays.

​@@zimbu_that's great, then they should sell a halo laptop that costs a lot, but why does every model have to be so overpriced - especially when factoring in memory/storage upgrades?

Then they should do that for PCs as well or pre built dells or whatever. So don’t be biased

​@@SN-hn9zimsi already tells you a lot of information about what youre getting with the "starting at" price and what you have to spend to get the best components (and i should add that for the same price as the base m3 macbook pro you can get a 4080 and a 14th gen i9 in a laptop if i recall correctly)

It does make sense. I dont think there is other competition can offer the same screen AND battery life AND performance. I know there are many products that can do OR at the price point, so I highlighted the ANDs.

It’s just Apple ripping off its customers as usual

@@CricketEngland they have the opportunity to rip off because no other company can compete with their overall package

@@PeidosFTW no they have the right to sell their products at overpriced prices because idiots will pay that price. If people boycotted apple products and complained about the priced they would have to reduce them.

400$ for 8GB of ddr5 ram is obscene when you can get a 30$ stick of 16GB DDR5 ram.

finally

Yeah for real😂

Reaper uses them all

That guy's test is flawed. He couldn't explain the dropout protections he used in other DAWs lol.

I always generally stick with my apple product u til i get no more software updates.

If you know anything about computers, you know this is impossible.

@@davidkorcak i mena its what ive been doing with my apple products for all my life. I wait till i stop getting new software releases not security updates which is 5 for the phone and not sure about the laptops.

And M1 Air

And you are not realize the similarity with the SSD-HDD situation.. like the more expensive also has less max capacity and it's "only" faster. You are probably still using the SSD what is the Apple RAM in this situation, not the bigger capacity, cheaper, but way slower HDD, what is the DDR5 can offer you. You need at least 4channels DDR5 memory to reach that 200GB/sec, what i never saw in laptops.. 10-15 years ago there was a lot of people who cried for the same about the SSD, it was smaller and way more expensive like the HDD, but i bet that you are not using a HDD recently..

​@@TamasKiss-yk4stit's unified memory, if it doesn't go that far, your gpu would be slow as shit when used at the same time

Just but a 16gb refurb.

@@NotADuncon I have the 16gb and 64gb for m1. 16 is not much at all and can slow down just with lots of web tabs

@@ed61730 sorry but lol. It's a mistake on your part not 16gb being too little. Just use the plug in that sleeps unused tabs. I literally have 7 chrome windows with max visible tabs open and my 16gb M1 Air doesn't slow down at all.

I mean you're paying (at least in europe) for a used baseline M1 MacBook 1100€. Might as well get a new one with much better performance.

It depends. M3 Max has considerably huge performance boost (50-70 %) since M2 which had 20 % from M1. For people demanding high performance and huge advantage in unified memory (no problem to use large AI models due to that) it's the bomb. For video, audio, photo - not at all as video acceleration is same and photo and audio is not so demanding these days. Heck, you can work in Photoshop on basic M1 without problems, just get 16 GB of RAM

@@ZhuJo99 it’s funny because you don’t even need 16GB for photoshop. So far the only thing that’s taking some time is the neural engine stuff in photoshop (at least based on my knowledge).

@@SA-xf7pcphotoshop neural engine is definitely the memory hog. 8GB is perfectly fine for the average user. 16GB is what I’d personally want but if I was just doing normal desk work and browsing I’d have no issue with 8

No raytracing on M2 as far as I'm aware.

I agree the Studio is the best value. Especially considering the ports - and that you have to add a Thunderbolt dock to any of the Mac laptops to have a comparable solution. I seem to need more performance than you seem to need while mobile. I’ve only had it three weeks, but I already use it a lot more while out of the house/office than any other laptop or tablet - even my iPad Pro M1. So I have an M3 Max MacBook. “Scary fast” is a good descriptor. Perhaps more important is that it is also scary power efficient. For some cloud tasks my i7 3080 windows laptop will spin the fans to max. As a nonsense example Open RU-vid in Chrome and scroll through your subscriptions with the play video in thumbnail feature on … lol. That can peg 4 cores and the GPU. Stupid. My Mac handles those sorts of tasks on JUST the efficiency cores. The performance cores and GPU are idle. Which is how all web/cloud tasks should be. Of all the cloud apps the only one I excuse for using power is Google Earth and other geospatial apps… they have to hit the internet radios. I do have a plan to get a Mac Studio as my next Mac though - a lot like you. I plan on getting an M6 Mac Studio Ultra - or wherever fills that approximate niche by that time. I suspect that, other than being bigger and heavier, my M3 Max MacBook will outperform even the newest Air for my work until it either fails or goes out of support.

WoA has been around for 10 years at least.

And yet, a crapton of people defend/approve of the price structure. As long as there’s strong support (purchases in this case) the pricing structure will continue to be steep.

@@unknownposter2075 because it's a good idea to use your laptop as a data dumpyard with TBs of data

Yes, Understandable. They have terrible pricing and are very anti-consumer. Now think of this in a vacuum. I have a Gaming PC and a Mac for pro work. Having a laptop with the equivalent of a 12700k with a 30w TDP is insane. Nobody has gotten this far ahead in the laptop game with a screen this good, cpu this powerful and efficient, and 20 hrs of casual use battery with full cpu power on tap and no fan spin. Yes apple sucks, but my Mac pays for itself in my projects and having the freedom to work in around the city. I get paid to use a computer, so I go with what can do the most without being stuck to a wall. Still love my gaming pc tho.

Yup now I am malding on the fact that why didn't I picked up m1 pro / m2 pro when they were still available.

@@ugotisayou can get them used or refurbished

Let me know how that HDMI 2.1 is working for you. Oh, wait.

@@rustler08 is this supposed to be a roast?

@@rustler08 "What is Thunderbolt?"

Agree completely with you. I bought a refurbished M1 Pro and it absolutely still kicks ass for anything I do with it. The redesign to these new chips at the time I think make it one of the best Apple laptops in a long time. I can’t imagine needing an upgrade for it for easily another 3-4 years, until the battery is probably depleted.

Welded😂

@@ntrixx lol I meant soldered. Non native speaker here so sometimes I get lost in translation. But it is a funny mental image.

Combined RAM and VRAM no less!

i'm a clown 🤡

They need to upgrade the base memory and storage but I have to admit the custom arm core they have is remarkable. My job bought me an M1 Pro with 32GB of memory and it’s a monster for code compiling. I have my issues with apple, lots of them but it’s hard to deny how fast even a base model air feels.

@jolness1 Indeed, at least looking at performance per Watt .

its 2200 euro here in.... europe

probably not going to happen. I'm sure someone else does better job at this, LTT doesn't aim for technical details and specific guides like that, at least not anymore.

Watch mac address then

Apple really dont care for you to spec it. You buy the base model of the one you want inside your budget

Yup, I'm watching it now actually @@Fataha22

I'll stick to my wife's ancient hp stream 14 running lubuntu 😂😂

I have no need for portability, but if I did, I feel like I’d have to overpay for RAM just to get that insane battery life. The pricing is really stupid though, no argument from me.

i have a 2011 dell workstation laptop with a 2960xm i7 (over 3.5g boost), 16gb 1600 ram, and a radeon r9 m290x 4g card, 1080 display, backlit keyboard, fantastic machine. the cpu keeps up with the 7700HQ i7 in most tests, even though it's 5 gens older. intel just didn't progress at all..... hell, even the old battery still holds on this rig. so overbuilt!

because RAM size is all that matters🤦🏻‍♂️

@@RandomUser2401 No,but u can't upgrade it. so it matters here

How does it feel paying $400 for 8GB of RAM?

@@zimboiii9025 I paid $1000 for 128GB. Compare that to a windows laptop with 128GB which costs... nothing, they don't exist 😂

@@zimboiii9025 Base m3 max comes with 48 gb ram and a 1tb ssd

@@zimboiii9025if they bought an m3 max instead of a higher end windows laptop they don’t care about price to performance

They flat out say they don't do reviews on this channel, just first impressions.

@@dtemp132 someone needs more jokes in his life!

More substance than Apple's generational updates.

possibly. his jawline does look a little sharper. thumbs up for keeping in shape and healthy

Prices in USA are without taxes and import fees. Add that, fees to keep "social state" bullshit (pay for those who don't want to work) and you'll get the same price.

@@ZhuJo99 I get the taxes in US it's strage but I get it(not knowing the full price until you get to checkout) but it's still cheaper otherwise people from here wouldn't ask their relatives in US to buy for them(guilty). Got the m1 max for 4500$(64gb RAM, 4TB storage) same was 7200$ here. Add purchasing power parity to that equation and shit gets real, don't get me wrong, not saying Macs are cheap for anyone, just feels strange when someone from US or Canada or West Europe says it. 😁

This needs to be pinned or sth.

of you can afford it, the new pros are just ridiculously good machines. im pc hardcore, but i do love seeing what apple has been able to do with this new architecture. it's a fantastic design with awesome power.

Yes, the screen and battery life are amazing - nothing beats these in the Windows world, though speakers on some models can also be comparable, and displays also if we ignore dimming zone count (~1K on flagship Windows laptops compared to ~2.5K on this one). But I just cannot see myself spending so much money on such an unreliable brand that exorts you for any sort of memory or storage upgrades. If they were more repairable or didn't take as much of a margin on such items that should be commodity at this point, I would have strongly considered a mac.

@@leonroI bought my first apple MBP M2…. Sold it after a week. The screen is very fragile… it is the panel then a ‘film’ on it. No hard plastic or anything… so basically it’s very fragile. A fingernail can scratch it… a breadcrumb when closing can break it. Replacement under warranty? No apple says ‘yeah we know it can break, but a crumb when closing is your fault, therefore no warranty’. Ridiculous!!!! No windows laptop has this issue, just widen the gap between the panel and the keyboard… Nope, just a margin thinner than a a4 paper. So a plastic screen protector puts pressure on the panel. And can break the panel as well. I miss that machine, that ONE flaw… broke my heart 😢

@@sebas.rozmary Windows laptops can have the same issue, it's just that such models don't enjoy nearly the same praise as Macbooks because there's competition that does it better. Neither does any other manufacturer enjoy the same amount of disregard or even reverence for products that are overpriced or have design defects. To this day, people keep thinking of Steve Jobs as some awesome dude when he couldn't commit to properly raise his daughter or admit his parenthood, even after he insisted on naming her and taking a DNA test.

@@sebas.rozmary never had issues with glass on macbooks. If you behave to it like a piece of brick, sure, but I wouldn't throw such machine like it's a brick. People are using keyboard covers too like idiots and then cry over broken glass.

how often does this actually happens besides the idiotic panicking on the internet?

With 8Gb of ram, the OS will page file on the SSD, wearing it out hundreds of times faster than with more RAM. Killing the whole device

@@spacer125 except a) paging happens a lot less with macOS memory mgmt b) despite all disaster predictions about failing SSDs in Macbooks for years, nothing has actually happened

Ok, so how many profrssionals will get the M3 Pro for their hundred tracks and plugins. I figure you’d hit other bottleneck first before those P- cores hit their limits

@@Navierstokes256 That's not a question I can answer. It's just a space that I follow because of the music I make. Certainly, I've seen the performance limit errors in Logic on Intel enough times to have it permanently flagged in my mind. Probably a more meaningful warning is: If you're hitting performance limits in M2 Pro, you're not going to be rescued by upgrading to M3 Pro. The interesting (and disappointing) thing for me is that Logic Pro doesn't make use of the efficiency cores as well as a competitor (Cubase) does. That just shouldn't be the case, IMO.

That just might be related to them doing a retake, inbound checking, etc.

@@Biru_to That wouldn't be possible given that the boxes are sealed at the factory and the seals were fully intact.

@@gaiustacitus4242 I'm sorry, I thought you were talking about the video, and that they had finger prints in the video on them. You're right though, I'd be a bit disappointed about that too myself. When you buy something new, you expect to be unpacking a clean product. I hope you'll be enjoying your laptop regardless ☺

They absolutely open up most things on short circuit beforehand and repackage it as close as possible to the original packaging to give the impression of a fresh open box experience. They do this to set up everything and have it ready to go as soon as they open it, not to mention they already had the labs results from testing it.

@@dustyshouri he's talking about his personal Mac he got though

What do u wanna really repair on a laptop?

@@megaprimegamer1184 battery, RAM, storage, keyboard, display, fingerprint sensor, trackpad, need I say more?

​@@string_phoenix you don't, you think you do but you don't. There are actually tons of laptops already that you can easily get replacement parts from and they all end up being thrown away. Right to repair is just too optimistic. Consumers don't care.

@@string_phoenix you do understand Apple’s product and business model right? All those parts you mentioned are already good as is Swapping oem parts for third party versions is a recipe for failure in terms of security, reliability and product quality. Apple doesn’t state it obviously but their products are catered to people who don’t want to deal with stuff like that. That usually includes most people in developed countries cause that’s where the revenue is. Not the 1% who tinker or the developing countries. In my teenage and early twenties I fiddled around with pc hardware a lot. Now I just play on console because it just works. That’s all I need. My first laptop was a MacBook because I knew it would just work as intended. From 2017, the battery to the screen all work flawlessly. My office thinkpad t15 is just as expensive and like 2 years old but is frustrating sometimes. Windows is average for convenience. Screen is mid. Keyboard is ok. Trackpad is ok. Battery is ridiculously average. The 2017 mbp is better than this. Of course if it were to break I’d pay more for repair but so would I on a BMW. That’s the price you pay for quality. They aren’t a 3 trillion company for no reason 🤷‍♂️

@@Chairman_Wanglol, just because 37 year old married mother house wife Susan doesn’t want to open her laptop doesn’t me we don’t.

Is that even possible to install on apple silicon?

@@FayezButts Asahi Linux is specifically for Apple Silicon Macs

@@lukebradshaw2216 'Not sure that m3 is supported yet, though.

I suspect that the average user won’t be able to tell the difference between models.

Because those are not reviews, but basically ads with extra steps.

This channel isn't really for reviews unfortunately

Because this is an *unboxing* channel, this is an unboxing video, not a review.

The issue with stickers is that the anodizing on the surface slowly wear out after years of use, except where the stickers were, so when you remove them you see darker spots. With skins like the dbrand ones the entire surface is covered and protected from wearing

Reject modernity, embrace tradition.

i like slate colored items, but i do kinda like the regular silver aluminum look over this. it feels sleeker i think

I always went with "space grey" but years in I really think the smartest buy is silver. Without anodized aluminum, you are way less likely to see wear / scratches, though I did get the super cool "DLC" on the watch and iphone 15, they call it diamond-like carbon but its basically a superior physical vapor deposition that is crazy resilient and inky black. Never once got a scratch on my S5 steel watch or iphone 15 pro but it is perpetually covered in finger prints lol

😉

Jake is also starting to look like a younger Luke. Is Luke his real mom?

take your med, you need it

The M3 Max has a much bigger performance increase - around 50-70% for the CPU and GPU each - and can have a lot more RAM so it's actually really competitive with the highest end laptop chips. If you need the most power possible in a laptop go for that, otherwise the M3 Pro should be good enough.

It just depends what you are using it for. Most office work doesn’t use that much ram. And SSd’s are so fast now that if it has to cash a few PDFs you won’t even notice. My wife is a teacher and has had no issues with having 8g when she is doing class prep and has 30 tabs open and a dozen PDF’s and word docs. If you are doing video or photos then yeah you need the ram, but macOS just doesn’t need the ram windows does. My tower will barely run with 8g, let alone do any actual work. My 32 is barely enough for video editing.

@@ryanhamstra49 Definitely does depend on the person's use, and in 80% of my use I'm okay with the 8gb ram. The other 20% would definitely would like more. And ram aside, storage alone was enough for me to go get a PC.

@@ryanhamstra49 for sw. development is 16gb min, better 32gb.

Retailers carry the cheapest models so they can push volume. 90% of Macbook users buy a $1000 laptop to do what a $300 laptop could. Apple used to make computers, but now they make accessories with a computer in them. The iPad is goo though.

8 years sounds about normal tbh hell, I'm still using my asus laptop from 2014 top spec from back then and still has no issues doing what I need to do, just upgraded storage, battery and ram over time hell of a lot cheaper than the cheapest Macbook from the time as well

Depends. If you trade in your mac you can upgrade a lot cheaper

Same for me, went with the 14" M3 Pro Macbook Pro and can't imagine upgrading it for many many years. For anyone on M1 or M2 already it's not really worth the upgrade because those are already great. It really seems like these M3s are really only for new silicon Mac buyers, they really made the original M1 too good.

I replace every year. Less value loss, resale goes to my pocket as I bought it into my own company for tax deductions. After one year it's written off the company inventory and can sell it for low loss of value while those money are mine, not company's (so I don' have to pay taxes like when company pays me a wage). So, tax deductions each year, huge resale value so I just pay a difference and buy new. No reason to keep it for so long and then again pay full price

i have the m1 pro and i love this thing to death. i only play wow as well and it runs at 120 ("5" preset 3456x2234) at most content. Gets choked up in big cities and events, but even my desktop cant handle that. Also it helped a bunch that i got it on down payment with 0% interest.

If you haven't realized, the price brackets aren't linear in any situation.

Twice the price of what?

Hardly, max memory size for M3 Pro is 36 GB which is 400 USD more

@@ZhuJo99 B&H were on sale last month and Best Buy price matched them.

It’s the baseline M3 Pro. I have my pc for gaming and Mac for creative use. I enjoy a lot especially the battery life.

agreed, i just bought an m1 pro like a month ago via apple refurbished and its amazing.

Yeah unless you’re looking for more gaming performance or 3d rendering, there’s not much of a point

Yeah no one cross shops that dogwater framework laptop with a prosumer machine from Apple. Relax

Same, love it! It's a work horse!

Also love mine, the amazing keyboard, touchpad, speakers, and display are something that I've never really had before since I always went for cheap gaming laptops with only good internal specs. Makes a huge difference. Also having a Unix OS feels like a dream for my programming work, always having to dual-boot to Linux from Windows to get anything done was a pain.

Truth: That won't change anything.

​@@Frank72364it will IF it gets some attention and laptop makers decide to use AMD and ARM. Even right now, the 7840U from AMD has approximately 70% of an M2 10 Core Pros efficiency while having basically the same performance. It's a great chip (equal to the Z1 Extreme which is in many handhelds), but again, not many high end laptops use AMD. It's a shame that Intel still mainly dominates the Laptop Windows Market with their bad chips.

Snapdragon X has high power draw (no efficiency cores) and at 80 W and 12 performance cores (no efficiency again) shows much lower benchmark values than M3 Pro. Which has a crazy battery life. GPU? Well, Qualcomm is rather silent about it and they know why. So you'll get same loud, crappy throttling thing on battery with much worse battery life and less performance than macbook or higher end AMD laptops. With almost no native software (Windows translation layer can't even compare to rosetta 2). snapdragon X is too late, too little. It's just a scaled down server processor Nuvia had in development. While all Apple Silicon processors are scaled UP from Ax from iPhone. I have a feeling this is the first and last attempt of Qualcomm in desktop/laptop class processors. This is really not the way how to do it.

@@ZhuJo99 The 80W version is overclocked so they can try compete with Intel/AMD while only producing 1 die, instead of 3 dies like Apple. It may work if Qualcomm has enough of a uArch advantage, but probably unlikely. The 23W version of the X Elite will be the one to watch. The 23W version will have better CPU performance than the M3 at essentially the same power consumption and fewer transistors (i.e. hopefully similar price) (although the M3 will have slightly faster GPU)

The problem of Qualcomm (and the future Intel/AMD) is Windows. Even if the chip is as efficient as an M3, Windows is asking for more computation than macOS to do the same thing on light/medium loads like browsing internet, reading/writing docs, watching videos, switching between multiple background apps, editing photos, coding... But I hope that qualcomm will be able to catch up to reduce the insane upgrade price on apple silicon

And a lot of people defending the overall structure

U should buy the older fancy models for half the price ! Buy this in two years ? apple books are worth the money !

The only M3's that matter :(

All m3 lives matter

what laptop do you have that you think is better than the laptops with silicon? All PC options are ridiculously expensive for really crap product, at least all the ones we've tried thus far. so what do you recommend I'd check?

​@@ericf3688get one with a Ryzen 7 7840U. Closest chip to the M Series (approximately 70% efficiency and same performance of a M2 Pro 10 Core). The ones I can think of right now are Zenbook S13 OLED (I think 14" and 16" exist too) and HP Elitebook.

@@ericf3688 all pc options have "silicon" lmao

@@liamsz Apple Silicon M series vs Intel. I hope you were just being facetious, because "funny" it wasn't.

Btw: there is no music credits

They are not priced similarly to x86 laptops because they are generally better than x86 laptops, and Apple knows that so they are taking advantage of it. That's the reality of it. No x86 Windows laptop even comes close to the efficiency of those machines, which is kinda important for a portable machine. Plus, Windows is utter garbage. I daily drive both Windows and MacOS and Windows is truly dog water grade.

For what they are the base models are decently priced. Office machines with high resolution screens. However the second you want to play a game, do creative work, or connect to multiple monitors you'll need to upgrade and upgraded Apple laptops are stupidly overpriced. Price to performance almost immediately falls short once you pay for any of the improvements and the storage prices are unforgivable when most other laptops still ship with an extra M.2 slot available.

​@@murtadha96 If all you care about is efficiency, you might want to consider a tablet. If you care about productivity, you might want to consider a Windows laptop. Enjoy your 8GB of ram on MacOS, and pay the Apple tax. If Apple truly were this amazing laptop manufacturer, why do they suck so much at selling more of them compared to windows laptops?

@@murtadha96 I fear you missed the phrase "similar x86 laptops", and based your entire response on what you wanted to see, rather than what I actually wrote. Are they powerful? Sure. Are they worth the added expense? To you, perhaps, but I can't justify the added expense.

I would love to see anybody else with even half of the efficiency that they give.

lol people thinking Arm on Windows is going to be spectacular just crack me up. The problem is not JUST efficiency on Windows laptops. It's Windows itself. The bloated pile of garbage with Adware everywhere that is Windows. Not to mention convincing app developers to support a whole new platform and architecture with not much incentive.